[06:26] <ulysses> JontheEchidna: Hungarian translation is ready for beta testing^^
[06:40] <CIA-98> [ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100726053955-cror389slbob90t7 * src/AccessToken.h fix include
[06:59] <CIA-98> [ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100726055917-7g8r7z90xa9ns87i * src/ (AccessToken.cpp AccessToken.h) connect signal to signal rather than going via a slot (esp since the slot is private)
[07:18] <CIA-98> [ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100726061826-w0726y7tjh4r3upo * src/ (AccessToken.cpp AccessToken.h AuthHandler.cpp) less debugging more doing
[08:05] <CIA-98> [ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100726070456-v3pf4d5ujvwiamxw * src/HttpDaemon.cpp random cleanup
[08:47] <CIA-98> [ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100726074717-s6vj0z69qlzk23d7 * src/CMakeLists.txt install dbus xml file
[08:58] <CIA-98> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100726075759-3tspk231cvktig2j * src/ (18 files in 4 dirs) ubuntuone-auth -> ubuntu-sso
[09:06] <Quintasan> \o
[09:06] <ulysses> o/
[09:07] <Quintasan> Anyone knows where Akonadi or KAddressbook stores information? http://imagebin.ca/view/1rs91W.html  <--- I'm not using these anymore and they popped out after reinstall
[09:08] <ulysses> Quintasan: Are you ready with Muon's polish translation?
[09:09] <Quintasan> almost
[09:10] <Quintasan> I'm working on my system now, but I can get over with it now if needed
[09:10] <apachelogger> rekonq crash no 22
[09:10] <ulysses> There's one more file that should be translated: http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/trunk/l10n-kde4/templates/messages/playground-libs/qaptbatch.pot
[09:10] <apachelogger> still no ptrace
[09:10] <Quintasan> ulysses: well, no problem
[09:10] <Quintasan> grrr
[09:10] <ulysses> Quintasan: JontheEchidna told me that Muon Beta will be released n wednesday, so the translation should be ready before wednesday ;)
[09:11] <Quintasan> deleting .config/akonadi/* did not solve the problem :/
[09:15]  * apachelogger is wondering how one should pull off a sensible oauth token storage if fancy ubuntuone uses two realms and realms are the only somewhat unique identifier
[09:15] <apachelogger> brrrrrrr
[10:15] <apachelogger> so
[10:15] <apachelogger> who wants to write a Kubuntu team report?
[10:17]  * apachelogger looks at ulysses
[10:18] <Riddell> apachelogger: for what?
[10:19] <Riddell> apachelogger: just read dholbach's e-mail and still none the wiser what it's for
[10:19] <apachelogger> community building
[10:19] <apachelogger> stop for a minute and look how awesome we are by reflecting our archivements of the near past
[10:19]  * apachelogger doesnt know no other use to team reports than that ^^
[10:20] <apachelogger> "To ensure the wider Ubuntu community knows what different people are working, teams are expected to provide short monthly reports of what they are working on. This helps us all know what the project as a whole is working on. "
[10:20] <apachelogger> there
[10:20] <apachelogger> community building :P
[10:20] <apachelogger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports
[10:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: so I threw a kwallet patch at the desktopcouch people and hope they will do something good with it
[10:21] <apachelogger> will do the same for the u1 syncdaemon in a bit
[10:22] <ulysses> apachelogger: me?:o
[10:22] <apachelogger> also I discovered that we now have ubuntu-sso, which is ubuntuone-login rebranded and with different dbus interface (of course not maintaining compability...)
[10:23] <apachelogger> so I started overriding that with the same name using my ubuntuone-auth, which is in pretty good shape again and should work just fine
[10:24] <Riddell> apachelogger: apparantly there's only two weeks until suggested pencil's down
[10:24] <apachelogger> well, suggested is suggested so that one week is left for documentation and stuff ... which is produced on the fly here anyway
[10:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: once I have landed my patches for u1 and desktopcouch and got things to work on maverick we can go into proper alpha + api revu + string revu + translation
[10:28] <CIA-98> [ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100726092750-tkw3uu1gvt62r95r * src/com.ubuntu.sso.service.in update service file
[10:28] <apachelogger> ulysses: sure, why not? ;)
[10:28] <ulysses> I'm only a translator:(
[10:29] <apachelogger> ulysses: is that a problem?
[10:31] <ulysses> let me read dholbach's mail
[10:48] <ulysses> apachelogger: a link to the mail?
[10:48] <apachelogger> ulysses: he just asked councils to keep on getting reports
[10:48] <apachelogger> nothing worth reading really :)
[10:59] <apachelogger> ubuntu-sso's heap is smaller than libqca ^^
[11:14]  * apachelogger finds qoauth's internal design as weird as the external one :S
[11:31] <jussi> apachelogger: ping
[11:34] <Riddell> jussi: my mosquito bites are getting worse!
[11:34] <apachelogger> jussi: pongo
[11:34] <jussi> Riddell: aww
[11:34] <jussi> apachelogger: so... kubotu. and fluffy website... 
[11:35] <jussi> like I said... going away
[11:35] <jussi> Ive still got all your data, just need to move it somewhere
[11:36] <apachelogger> but where ^^
[11:39] <jussi> apachelogger: up to you...
[11:40] <jussi> fluffy can probably go to ubottu.com, but I need to talk with tsimpson about whether kubotu can go there
[11:41] <jussi> I have extremely limited net atm, so Im not able to do much
[11:44] <jussi> apachelogger: oh, and quickly, dent while kubotu is here :D
[11:46] <apachelogger> ohhh
[11:46] <apachelogger> kubotu: identica dent @jussi01 is taking away my only gateway to identica :(
[11:46] <kubotu> status updated
[11:46] <jussi> lol
[11:47] <apachelogger> jussi: well, it would be good to have it on ubottu.com because I am not terribly good at finding hosting resources ;)
[11:47] <jussi> apachelogger: Ill see what we can do.
[11:47] <jussi> we have like 7 bots on there already...
[11:47] <apachelogger> kthx
[11:47] <apachelogger> ...I think fregl could surely find fluffy a new home...
[11:48] <Quintasan> trololol
[11:48] <Quintasan> apachelogger: do you need a shell for bot?
[11:48] <jussi> apachelogger: fluffy can be on that machine, it doesnt eat that much
[11:48] <apachelogger> Quintasan: very much so
[11:48] <apachelogger> jussi: not yet ;)
[11:48] <jussi> I think it might already be synced, I just havent pointed addresses there yet
[11:48] <Quintasan> I'm writing from a one, I can't guarantee it is 100% stable but it worked so far
[11:49] <Quintasan> so, I think I could host it here
[11:49] <apachelogger> ahhh
[11:49] <apachelogger> rekonq was eating half my cpu 
[11:49] <apachelogger> how jolly nice of it
[11:49] <jussi> apachelogger: give me a couple of days and we can check resources with tsimpson
[11:49]  * Quintasan wonder why ubuntu won't provide shells for that
[11:49]  * apachelogger hugs jussi
[11:49] <Quintasan> s/ubuntu/canonical
[11:50] <apachelogger> Quintasan: security
[11:50] <jussi> Quintasan: they do, but no root :P 
[11:50] <apachelogger> same reason we cannot put up a new version of our own site -.-
[11:50] <Quintasan> :/
[11:51] <jussi> anyway, I need to go, so if you need kubotu, use it now...
[11:52] <apachelogger> no need here
[11:52] <apachelogger> I dented what I had to dent :P
[12:29] <JontheEchidna> nice: http://kde-look.org/poll/index.php?poll=256
[12:57] <Riddell> today's daily CD in a decent state
[12:57] <Riddell> and now I have working backtraces, yay!
[13:04] <Riddell> now let's just see if I can get rekonq to crash
[13:35] <CIA-98> [muon] jmthomas * 1154874 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/main.cpp Use the legally-binding copyright symbol rather than (c)
[13:41] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: nice poll :)
[13:41] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: is kubuntu_91_phonon_forget_option.diff upstream? or making its way therre?
[13:41] <JontheEchidna> :)
[13:41] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: ripped it from opensuse, let me see if their diff header had anything on whether or not it would be upstreamed
[13:42] <JontheEchidna> (some of their headers do)
[13:42] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: probably sandsmark is the chap to ask
[13:44] <JontheEchidna> Signed-off-by: Lubos Lunak
[13:44] <JontheEchidna> Patch-upstream: no (maybe later)
[13:44] <JontheEchidna> curious
[13:45] <JontheEchidna> https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=609396
[13:46] <JontheEchidna> looks like the plan to upstream it, but haven't
[13:46] <JontheEchidna> no reason we can't beat them to the punch I suppose ;)
[14:00] <Riddell> hmm, I still get pinentry popping up under all my other windows by taking the key input
[14:01] <shadeslayer_> uh
[14:01] <shadeslayer_> --> shadeslayer_ (~shadeslay@ubuntu/member/shadeslayer) has joined #kubuntu-devel
[14:01] <shadeslayer_> * Topic for #kubuntu-devel is "Kubuntu, making your PC friendly | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Kubuntu Meeting, Monday 19:00UTC, #ubuntu-meeting | http://tinyurl.com/28vjuea | KDE 4.5 Packaging https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging"
[14:01] <shadeslayer_> * Topic set by shadeslayer!~shadeslay@ubuntu/member/shadeslayer on Sat Jul 24 08:52:40 2010
[14:01] <shadeslayer_> wth
[14:02] <shadeslayer_> ohhhhh i see
[14:02] <shadeslayer_> nvm
[14:03] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: sandsmark has a better approach that I am following. I think we have won some "points" by asking and such :)
[14:03] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: score :)
[14:10] <apachelogger> do we need council quorum at the meeting?
[14:10] <Quintasan> another rc?
[14:10] <Quintasan> :S
[14:10] <apachelogger> !agenda
[14:10] <apachelogger> !meeting
[14:11] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: eh?
[14:12] <shadeslayer> rekonq defaults? what does that mean :P
[14:12] <shadeslayer> and.. just fyi... i think we should set the home page as the kubuntu site i.e kubuntu.org
[14:13] <shadeslayer> in rekonq that is
[14:13] <apachelogger> aha
[14:13]  * apachelogger better stays in upper austria and attends the meeting than travel to graz
[14:13] <apachelogger> :S
[14:13]  * shadeslayer pokes ttf-mscorefonts-installer with kubuntu stick of doom
[14:13]  * apachelogger could try tomorrow morning 
[14:14] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: are you doing those packages?
[14:14] <Quintasan> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging
[14:14] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: arent you doing some too?
[14:14] <shadeslayer> and yes im working on kdebase
[14:14] <Quintasan> I did libs and had to go
[14:16] <shadeslayer> frickin stupid uni
[14:16] <shadeslayer> wants Times New Roman in report :/
[14:17] <shadeslayer> did someone sync plasma-widget-fastuserswitch ?
[14:18] <shadeslayer> bug 609448
[14:21] <apachelogger> ohhhhhhhhhhhh
[14:21] <apachelogger> QUrl is supreme!
[14:22] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: also i is sick
[14:23] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: only canonical sysadmins can IRc
[14:23] <apachelogger> IIRC even
[14:23] <shadeslayer> :(
[14:24] <JontheEchidna> Riddell's archive day is tommorrow, he'll probably get around to syncing it then. (especially if you ask nicely :)
[14:25] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: he already has it noted....
[14:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: right ^
[14:26] <shadeslayer> sf is slooooooowwwww
[14:27] <ScottK> apachelogger: re konqueror + webkit, not that I know of.
[14:28]  * apachelogger sees a way to not have crashy browsers but at the same time make use of webkitness then ;)
[14:29] <shadeslayer> btw... should i invite someone from rekonq team ?
[14:29] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: oh, those two reports you made to b.k.o the other day against rekonq turned out to be KIO problems that should be fixed in RC3
[14:29] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[14:29] <apachelogger> yaya
[14:29] <Quintasan> grrr
[14:29] <apachelogger> still eats more RAMz
[14:29] <Quintasan> kdelibs svn is still not fixxxord
[14:29] <JontheEchidna> nom nom
[14:29] <Quintasan> :///
[14:29] <ScottK> shadeslayer: We need to know if there's reasonable hope it'll get a lot less crashy very quickly.
[14:29] <apachelogger> and eat less RAMz
[14:29] <shadeslayer> ok
[14:30] <ScottK> They don't need to come to the meeting.
[14:30] <ScottK> apachelogger: The crashing solves that.
[14:30] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[14:30] <Quintasan> lol
[14:30] <apachelogger> all your RAM are belongs to nepomuk, akonoadi, desktopcouch and amarok
[14:30] <Quintasan> Cookies for ScottK 
[14:30] <shadeslayer> ScottK: you made snot come out my nose :P
[14:30] <ScottK> Excellent.
[14:31] <Quintasan> Everything according to the plan!
[14:34] <Quintasan> Why isnt cdbs pulled by -dev-tools?
[14:34] <Quintasan> In lucid at least
[14:34] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: we shall pray to god that all crashes I get are of the kio kind
[14:34] <apachelogger> crash counter is now at 30
[14:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: :o
[14:35] <shadeslayer> btw
[14:35] <shadeslayer> is there a tool to remove all hyperlinks from a doc?
[14:35] <shadeslayer> like i copy paste some stuff into OOo
[14:36] <shadeslayer> brr.. nvm.. seems my logic worked
[14:36] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I hope that you realise we are stalled until we can find a fix for that python crap?
[14:36] <Quintasan> :P
[14:36] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i know
[14:36]  * shadeslayer is counting on apachelogger/python dev to fix
[14:36] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: your time to rant
[14:37] <shadeslayer> i did it last time
[14:37] <Quintasan> I hoped on pulling some strings first
[14:37] <Quintasan> ;)
[14:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I am no pyth0rn haxx0r
[14:37] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: no one loves neon... were orphaned 
[14:37] <ScottK> Quintasan: Because CDBS is entirely avoidable and so there's no reason to punish someone by installing it if they've managed not to need it.
[14:38] <apachelogger> I am the one who rewrites pyth0rn in superior Qt
[14:38] <apachelogger> superior Qt where QUrl returns QList<QPair<QString, QString> > for no good reason
[14:38] <Quintasan> > QList<QPair<QString, QString> >
[14:39] <Quintasan> this calls for some banhammer
[14:39] <Quintasan> what an abomination
[14:39] <apachelogger> actually it is a beauty
[14:39] <apachelogger> just not very handy
[14:40] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: our new default image viewing app for kubuntu 10.10 : http://imgur.com/CCMrp
[14:41] <Quintasan> why so simple?
[14:41] <Quintasan> :<
[14:41] <shadeslayer> id like to keep it simple
[14:41] <shadeslayer> also image path is hardcoded
[14:41] <shadeslayer> :P
[14:41]  * Quintasan <3 gwneview
[14:41] <Quintasan> gwenview*
[14:42] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: my app takes up <5 MB
[14:42] <shadeslayer> can gwenview do that ? 
[14:42] <shadeslayer> :P
[14:43] <Riddell> bulldog98: where did you put your kdevelop-php package?
[14:44] <shadeslayer> oh oh .. was kdevplatform sponsored?
[14:46] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: thanks for ack 
[14:47] <apachelogger> by the supremacy of QtI made http://paste.ubuntu.com/469348/ into http://paste.ubuntu.com/469350/
[14:48] <Quintasan> hmm
[14:48] <Quintasan> did I break kde-sc-dev-latest?
[14:50] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i uploaded that package
[14:50] <Quintasan> kde-sc-dev-latest: Breaks: kdepimlibs5-dev (< 4:4.4.95) but 4:4.4.92-0ubuntu1 is to be installed.
[14:50] <shadeslayer> you uploaded a new one?
[14:51] <shadeslayer> apparently not...
[14:51] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: which means you need to uploade kdepimlibs
[14:51] <shadeslayer> *upload
[14:51] <Quintasan> man, you are giving me additional work
[14:51] <Quintasan> :P
[14:51] <shadeslayer> hehe
[14:51] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: switch machines and i can do kdepimlibs
[14:51] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I hope you aren't serious about replacing Gwenview.  That's pretty much not going to happen.
[14:52] <shadeslayer> ScottK: hah... you took that seriously .. lol
[14:52] <shadeslayer> the buttons dont even work
[14:52] <shadeslayer> thats just my Qt test app
[14:53] <ScottK> OK.  Just making sure.
[14:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i haz gnome klippy http://imgur.com/lUoCG
[14:58] <CIA-98> [ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100726135811-smlih2mit5c7c5tr * src/ (AccessToken.cpp AccessToken.h AuthHandler.cpp HttpDaemon.cpp) more performance, less heap, more reliable, more generic, simply put more awesome
[14:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that aint got notthing to do with gnome but sun
[14:59] <apachelogger> let the sun shine
[14:59] <shadeslayer> still looks gnomeish
[14:59] <apachelogger> leeeeet the sun shine
[14:59] <apachelogger> llala
[14:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that is cause it is tha gtk plus
[15:00]  * shadeslayer thinks he should pop some more pills to make the pain go away
[15:01] <CIA-98> [ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100726140114-fa88qy7gkdyv490a * src/AccessToken.cpp all your RAM are belong to my memleaks!
[15:03] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: kubotu got good ones, if only that poor bugger were around
[15:03] <apachelogger> hm
[15:03] <apachelogger> there is still a memleak
[15:03] <apachelogger> odd
[15:03]  * apachelogger fires up the valgrind
[15:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: how does you detect memleaks?
[15:03] <apachelogger> with the valgrind
[15:03] <apachelogger> or by looking at the codez
[15:05] <ScottK> kwave needs porting to Qt 4.7: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/52468474/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-amd64.kwave_0.8.5-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[15:07] <shadeslayer> if only i could codez
[15:07] <shadeslayer> and had time to codez
[15:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hahaha... imageview : http://pastebin.ca/1908571
[15:08] <shadeslayer> ( thats what im calling my app :P )
[15:08] <shadeslayer> gah
[15:08] <apachelogger> pornviewer?
[15:08] <shadeslayer> whut? :P
[15:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/k1S8F5UV
[15:12] <shadeslayer> just 996 bytes... bytes
[15:12] <ScottK> NC|Alaska: Vacation or work?  Any chance you can fix kde4libs soon?
[15:13] <shadeslayer> oh goody.. kdebase is borked http://pastebin.com/LQkryepR
[15:13] <shadeslayer> runtime
[15:15] <shadeslayer> uh oh
[15:15]  * shadeslayer thought he fix0red the patch
[15:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no no it can be any between 996 and 90k 
[15:16] <apachelogger> also if every KDE dev would say "just 996 bytes" your system would be eaten in less than 5 minutes after boot :P
[15:18] <shadeslayer> ok suppose i fixed a patch with quilt edit file.cpp and then did quilt refresh, what do i do to save the patch? or did quilt refresh do that?
[15:19]  * apachelogger thinks that there is some flux that causes ubuntu-sso to appear leaking but in fact it does not
[15:19] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: quilt refresh did update the patch on the top of the applied stack
[15:19] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: uploaded kdepimlibs
[15:20] <apachelogger> cool
[15:21] <apachelogger> my ubuntu-sso is consuming 1180 if not doing anything (of which the biggest part is libqca just for the record ;))
[15:21] <apachelogger> the pyth0rn thing consumes 8928 doing nothing
[15:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: dude how do you pass valgrind log to kcachegrind?
[15:26] <shadeslayer> nvm
[15:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/hvwLX1hW << does that look right?
[15:30] <shadeslayer> regarding this http://pastebin.com/LQkryepR
[15:32] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: whate are you trying to fix there? Oo
[15:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i had to refresh the patch
[15:32] <shadeslayer> kubuntu_89_strigi_ram_detection.diff
[15:32] <apachelogger> why?
[15:33] <apachelogger> the error you pasted is because it cannot find the KIdleTime header
[15:33] <apachelogger> ../../../../nepomuk/services/strigi/strigiservice.cpp:31:21: error: KIdleTime: No such file or directory
[15:33] <apachelogger> supposedly strigiservice.cpp holds #include <KIdleTime> at that line
[15:33] <JontheEchidna> (btw, that patch can go now that we are disabling strigi outright)
[15:33] <Riddell> ScottK: I've uploaded kde4libs to the arm PPA, hopefully my patch does the right thing
[15:33] <shadeslayer> i had to refresh patch since it did not apply
[15:33] <Riddell> NC|Alaska: ^^
[15:34] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: can it?
[15:34] <JontheEchidna> yes, delete it
[15:34] <shadeslayer> whee
[15:36] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: is it possible to get debuild to install the deps itself?
[15:36] <JontheEchidna> I don't think so
[15:37] <ScottK> Riddell: Cool.
[15:37] <ScottK> shadeslayer: apt-get build-dep.
[15:37] <shadeslayer> of course :S
[15:37] <shadeslayer> ScottK++
[15:40] <ScottK> Riddell: Clearly we can't have rekonq for Maverick.  Upstream is not supporting Qt 4.7/KDE 4.5. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=239005#c1
[15:40] <ScottK> shadeslayer: ^^^ I think rekonq is out.
[15:40] <shadeslayer> aww
[15:41] <shadeslayer> ScottK: works for me too
[15:42] <shadeslayer> 0_o
[15:42] <ScottK> I don't see we have much of a choice.
[15:43] <shadeslayer> :(
[15:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: u1 syncd patch also thrown at appropriate people
[15:44] <Riddell> ScottK: we need to check if that'll change for rekonq 1.0 but yeah it's not looking good
[15:45] <Riddell> shadeslayer: the rekonq bugs are thread related and don't seem to be easily reproducable with given circumstances, but they do occur too frequently to be shippable
[15:45] <shadeslayer> :(
[15:53] <CIA-98> [ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100726145249-4didkyg4tw1ks81f * src/AccessToken.cpp proxy support
[16:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw, will it be possible to ship konqueror with webkitpart
[16:19] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it's an option, it would need people to look into it and see if it's stable and the konqueror config dialogue actually does want it says
[16:21] <shadeslayer> ok... but its really a shame.... someone who tries kubuntu for the first time, cant browse sites properly with konqueror
[16:24] <Quintasan> I failed :S
[16:24] <Quintasan> uploaded without ~ppa1
[16:24] <Quintasan> grrr
[16:25] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: hehe
[16:25] <shadeslayer> runtim is still building
[16:25] <shadeslayer> setting up cowbuilder side by side
[16:27] <Quintasan> lol
[16:27] <Quintasan> I even uploaded to neon
[16:28] <Quintasan> stupid aliases
[16:28] <Quintasan> I need to clean this crap
[16:29] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: whut :P
[16:29] <Quintasan> why on earth delete packages disappered
[16:30]  * Quintasan needs to type url by hand
[16:35] <ScottK> shadeslayer: So all we need is a Qt webkit browser that's suitable.
[16:36] <shadeslayer> yep
[16:36]  * ScottK tried arora again and it seems somewhat functional, but slow.
[16:36] <ScottK> It is at least less crashy than rekonq.
[16:36] <shadeslayer> ScottK: if we switch to konqueror.. i beg of you... use webkitpart
[16:36] <apachelogger> I tell you
[16:36] <apachelogger> konqueror + webkitpart
[16:36] <apachelogger> = win
[16:36] <ScottK> shadeslayer: How does one set the up for testing?
[16:36] <ScottK> apachelogger: ^^^?
[16:36] <Quintasan> it works with facebook?
[16:37] <shadeslayer> ScottK: quit easy
[16:37] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yeah
[16:37] <ScottK> shadeslayer: How, not how hard is it.
[16:37] <apachelogger> Quintasan: it is kwebkit in konqueror
[16:37] <shadeslayer> ScottK: install kpart-webkit
[16:37] <Quintasan> ScottK: sudo aptitude install webkitkde
[16:37] <Quintasan> urgh
[16:37] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: that's for maverick? :P
[16:37] <ScottK> Which?
[16:37] <JontheEchidna> webkitpart is not an option, as it causes half of the options in konqueror to become ineffective, due to their integration with the KHTML part
[16:37]  * ScottK is asking for Maverick.
[16:37] <apachelogger> you get all the benefits of long serving allandeverything browser and the super fast webkittens
[16:38] <Quintasan> ScottK: then disregard mine
[16:38] <ScottK> Thanks.
[16:38] <shadeslayer> ScottK: then keditfiletype text/html
[16:38] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: better than crashy crashy bang bang still
[16:38] <shadeslayer> then embedding tab > move webkitpart to top
[16:38]  * apachelogger does think we should use flipping firefox though
[16:39] <Quintasan> do not even consider this
[16:39]  * ScottK likes Chromium, but it's not suitable for Main, really.
[16:39] <Quintasan> I call it FaggotFox
[16:39] <Quintasan> apachelogger: ^
[16:39] <shadeslayer> ScottK: yeah chromium++
[16:39] <shadeslayer> too bad it cant go to main
[16:41] <ScottK> Quintasan: Not funny nor suitable for the channel.
[16:43] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: What is it you're worried about not working right with the webkit part?
[16:43] <shadeslayer> i was about to ask that :P
[16:43] <Quintasan> ScottK: I was referring to the program itself, not to users
[16:43] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: half of the options in Konqueror's config dialog are tied to KHTML, and don't affect the webkit part
[16:43] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: so switching to webkit part "breaks" these options, in effect.
[16:43] <ScottK> Quintasan: I understand, it's still not appropriate language for the channel.
[16:44] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I see.
[16:45] <apachelogger> http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/trunk/extragear/base/kwebkitpart/TODO
[16:45] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: fix'd kdepimlibs upload
[16:45] <shadeslayer> k
[16:45] <apachelogger> at the bottom is stuff that is in khtml but not the kpart 
[16:45] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Of the webkit options I see available, it seems to suck the least.
[16:45] <ScottK> That's based on ~5 miuntes of testing.
[16:45]  * apachelogger is listening to DRS 1 ^^
[16:46] <apachelogger> the beauty of the intarwebs ^^
[16:46] <Quintasan> DRS?
[16:46] <ScottK> Can we hide the options that are tied to khtml so we at least aren't misleading?
[16:46] <JontheEchidna> then khtml users wouldn't be able to use them either, unless they can conditionally be loaded
[16:46] <ScottK> True.
[16:47] <Quintasan> Plus, from what I read I conclude that we would hide MANY options
[16:47] <apachelogger> Quintasan: swiss german radio
[16:47] <Quintasan> oh
[16:48] <ScottK> Konqueror + webkit does pass the facebook test.
[16:48] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: try going to youtube.com. I get an instacrash with webkit
[16:48] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: why did muon fail in k-n ppa?
[16:48] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: works here fine
[16:48] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: oh, you can just delete that. It's a bad tarball
[16:48] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: with konqueror + webkit?
[16:48] <JontheEchidna> on 10.10?
[16:48] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Facebook IS the internet.  Don't you know that?
[16:48] <JontheEchidna> heh
[16:49] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: on 10.04
[16:49] <apachelogger> ohhh
[16:49] <JontheEchidna> I'd imagine it'd crash on facebook too, seeing as it's a flash crash
[16:49] <apachelogger> youtube crash
[16:49] <apachelogger> is that reproducable :D
[16:49] <ScottK> Not yet.
[16:49] <apachelogger> cause I am using the html5tube ^^
[16:49] <dantti_> speaking of webkit someone knows why webkit from qt is not as good as from gg chrome or even midore?
[16:49] <dantti_> *midori
[16:50] <JontheEchidna> chrome has several hundred paid developers working on its webkit implementation
[16:50] <ScottK> Crashed on cnn.com video.
[16:50] <Quintasan> apachelogger: and it works?
[16:51] <Quintasan> ScottK, JontheEchidna: hmm I use konq 4.4.92 + kpart-webkit and it works
[16:51] <ScottK> Insta crash on Youtube here.
[16:51] <shadeslayer> me too
[16:51] <shadeslayer> on maverick here
[16:51] <dantti_> JontheEchidna: what about midori then?
[16:52] <JontheEchidna> we should just use firefox, really
[16:52] <JontheEchidna> dantti_: dunno
[16:52] <JontheEchidna> the gtk webkit is better I guess?
[16:52] <shadeslayer> gtk has webkit? :P
[16:52] <apachelogger> Quintasan: yup
[16:52] <JontheEchidna> they pretentiously named the GtkWebkit libwebkit :/
[16:52] <Quintasan> no really, please no Firefox
[16:52] <apachelogger> Quintasan: well, at least I dint see no crash with it
[16:53] <JontheEchidna> and firefox actually works with websites
[16:53] <apachelogger> there was a nu webkitpart release yesterday
[16:53] <ScottK> The crash here is in nspluginviewer.
[16:53] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: yep, and eats tons of ramz just staying in background
[16:53]  * apachelogger agrees with JontheEchidna 30000% 
[16:53] <apachelogger> Quintasan: so does rekonq
[16:54] <apachelogger> just that rekonq crashes so quickly that it cannot even leak into my RAMz ^^
[16:54] <JontheEchidna> yeah, QtWebKit is ramz hungry too
[16:54] <Quintasan> Isn't that fixable in a resonable ammount of time?
[16:54] <dantti_> JontheEchidna: have you tried this website, the diference is huge :P http://desandro.com/articles/opera-logo-css/
[16:55] <shadeslayer> :O
[16:55] <apachelogger> Quintasan: reducing RAMz eating  is mostly not fixable in a reasonable amount of time unless you know the code completely and entirely
[16:55] <apachelogger> and sometimes not even then because of given limitations
[16:55] <apachelogger> speed vs. ram usage
[16:55] <apachelogger> ah, DRS 1 has awful music
[16:56]  * apachelogger looks for something french
[17:03] <CIA-98> [ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100726160310-o4lof1x9zzzfxtes * src/ (AccessToken.cpp AccessToken.h) consitifcation
[17:04] <apachelogger> grrrrr
[17:04] <apachelogger> ubuntuone--
[17:06] <\sh> apachelogger++
[17:06] <apachelogger> \o/
[17:06]  * apachelogger hugs \\sh
[17:07] <txwikinger> apachelogger: apt-get remove ubuntuone
[17:07] <apachelogger> if only I could :P
[17:10] <maco> watching DVDs on linux is now legal in the US!
[17:10] <maco> http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/07/25/court.says.cracking.drm.ok.if.purpose.is.legal/
[17:10] <Quintasan> Hmm, how do you call the act when many people sue one company over the same thing?
[17:10] <maco> Quintasan: class-action lawsuit
[17:11] <CIA-98> [ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100726161042-g7g7c22g321in2mg * src/ (AccessToken.cpp AccessToken.h) introducing realmKey() streamlining ubuntuone.com and one.ubuntu.com and hellokitty.com to "ubuntuone"
[17:12] <Quintasan> oh
[17:12] <Quintasan> maco: thanks
[17:12] <Quintasan> I hope Motorola gets that
[17:16] <Riddell> al: how are .desktop files in quassel translated?
[17:17] <al> Riddell: intltool-something which i had to patch to make it work
[17:19] <al> Riddell: the patch was refused upstream as they blamed the incorrect .po format
[17:21] <al> (which was generated by launchpad, which according to intltool upstream is impossible)
[17:22] <Riddell> messy
[17:22] <Riddell> al: so what .pot file do they come from?
[17:26] <al> Riddell: one that already was imported into the ubuntu-quassel lp project before i started working on the translation stuff
[17:26] <al> Riddell: it's not even a real file afaict, just the desktop-quassel template in launchpad. don't know who put it there
[17:27] <Riddell> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/quassel/ only lists " i18n-master" for me
[17:27] <al> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/quassel/+pots/desktop-quassel
[17:28] <Riddell> ah, from the packages
[17:28] <Riddell> well that makes things much easier :)
[17:30] <Riddell> al: that's generated by our package uploads so "who put it there" is a bit meaningless
[17:30] <Riddell> except it's been broken for the last few months, fixing now
[17:31] <al> Riddell: i see
[17:37] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: dude.. cowbuilder is almost the same as pbuider :S
[17:37] <shadeslayer> only difference is base.tgz extraction
[17:47] <apachelogger> hm
[17:48] <apachelogger> kwallet does transfer queries in plaintext over dbus
[17:48] <apachelogger> that is one secure storage right there ^^
[17:49] <shadeslayer> hehe
[17:53] <apachelogger> anyone used QCA for aes here?
[17:56] <shadeslayer> meeting in 2 hours \o/
[17:57]  * apachelogger didnt even prepare yet
[17:59]  * ulysses has en exam next day, and didnt prepare yet
[18:19]  * apachelogger hugs ulysses and sends him off to learn
[18:19] <shadeslayer> whats there to prepare? :P
[18:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: a video depicting rekonq crashing 300,000 times ? :D
[18:20] <apachelogger> AHA
[18:20] <apachelogger> sweet supremacy
[18:20]  * apachelogger shall encrypt0r his ubuntu-sso implementation
[18:21] <apachelogger> even though kwally does send the stuff in plaintext -.-
[18:22] <ulysses> apachelogger: first aid for the driver licence:P
[18:22] <apachelogger> ulysses: and that my friend is something I actually think is worth learning for
[18:23] <ulysses> yeah, after one and a half mounth exam at the university...
[18:23] <apachelogger> if I was involved in a car accident and you happen to arrive shortly thereafter I sure want you to be able to save my life :)
[18:24] <ulysses> of course, a Kubuntu dev and the dev of the u1-kde can't die
[18:25] <shadeslayer> brrrrrrr
[18:26]  * shadeslayer hates kdebase for not listening to him
[18:27] <shadeslayer> let lp take care of the building stuff :/
[18:36] <apachelogger> hm
[18:37] <apachelogger> I think encrypting that junk is not gonna be a whole lot difficult
[18:37] <apachelogger> probably needs some librar0ry skillz though
[18:38] <Riddell> rot13 isn't hard to implement :)
[18:41] <CIA-98> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100726174049-rh9gyp5ne0ed3wtp * src/api/Api.cpp query right key from kwallet ... should really query ubuntu-sso (that however wishes for encrypted data transfer)
[19:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: hehe
[19:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: encryption is not the problem, QCA pretty much takes care of all the standard things ... establishing a session is the greater challange IMHO :)
[19:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ../../../../nepomuk/services/strigi/strigiservice.cpp:31: fatal error: KIdleTime: No such file or directory << needs fix0ring
[19:08] <shadeslayer> ideas....
[19:08] <apachelogger> what package is that for starters
[19:08] <shadeslayer> also i guess it needs to be fixed upstream
[19:09] <shadeslayer> kdebase-runtime
[19:09] <apachelogger> no fix ustream
[19:09] <apachelogger> build against the right version of kdelibs :P
[19:09] <apachelogger> KIdleTime is probably new in the latest rc
[19:09] <apachelogger> so either the kdelibs package did not pick this new file up or you are building against the wrong kdelibs
[19:10] <JontheEchidna> KIdleTime's been around since 4.3. I'd make sure that the kdelibs packaging wasn't messed up
[19:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger:  *** 4:4.4.95-0ubuntu1~ppa1 0
[19:10] <shadeslayer> so thats up to Quintasan to fix0r
[19:10] <apachelogger> kdelibs is the broken then
[19:10] <apachelogger> well then
[19:10] <apachelogger> ubuntuone-kde just got a finer browser than kubuntu :P
[19:11] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[19:11] <JontheEchidna> aha!
[19:11] <JontheEchidna> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+files/kde4libs_4:4.4.92a-0ubuntu1~ppa1_4:4.4.95-0ubuntu1~ppa1.diff.gz
[19:11] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: fix kdelibs.. causes kdebase-runtime to ftbfs
[19:11] <JontheEchidna> as you can see, the capitalized KIdleTime style include was introduced in rc3
[19:11] <JontheEchidna> but!
[19:12] <apachelogger> told ya
[19:12] <JontheEchidna> this capitalized style is not included in -dev
[19:12] <JontheEchidna> only the old kidletime.h
[19:12] <apachelogger> told ya that too
[19:12] <apachelogger> you people are not listening to me :
[19:12] <apachelogger> P
[19:12]  * apachelogger did not even look at the diff and knew 
[19:12]  * apachelogger should hire at oracle ^^
[19:12] <JontheEchidna> KIdleTime has been around since 4.3, but the capitalized style include is new
[19:12] <JontheEchidna> so technically we were both right :P
[19:12] <apachelogger> yeah
[19:13] <shadeslayer> and i was bashing my head against this for the past 2 hours :S
[19:13]  * JontheEchidna larts Quintasan with the list-missing stick
[19:13] <JontheEchidna> :P
[19:13] <apachelogger> that said
[19:13] <apachelogger> my pbuilder hook still uses cdbs for that
[19:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: same here
[19:13] <apachelogger> I shall rewrite it in superior technology
[19:13] <apachelogger> namely ther perlz
[19:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/ubuntuone-with-intarwebs.ogv <= looks how cool 
[19:16] <apachelogger> <3 kwebview
[19:16] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: can you dent that? jussi took away my kubotu and mtux took away my choqok ;)
[19:17] <JontheEchidna> ubuntuone-with-intarwebs?
[19:17] <apachelogger> it got a kwebview!!!!
[19:17] <JontheEchidna> zomg!
[19:18]  * apachelogger thinks that this somewhat could be used instead of building the widgety magic to allow device management in the KCM
[19:18] <apachelogger> hm
[19:18] <apachelogger> guess what
[19:18] <apachelogger> rekonq crash '
[19:18] <apachelogger> \o/
[19:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: nice
[19:18] <apachelogger> !meeting
[19:19] <apachelogger> enough haxx0ring
[19:19] <apachelogger> time to repare for some serious business
[19:19] <apachelogger> no memberships today?
[19:19] <shadeslayer> 40 mins
[19:19] <apachelogger> how sad
[19:19] <shadeslayer> heh :p
[19:19] <apachelogger> oh I meant to talk to some people about that anywayz
[19:19] <JontheEchidna> http://identi.ca/notice/43822289
[19:19]  * apachelogger highers todo item priority
[19:20] <apachelogger> rekonq crash again
[19:20] <apachelogger> and again
[19:20] <apachelogger> and again
[19:20] <apachelogger> and again
[19:21] <apachelogger> and again
[19:21] <apachelogger> and again
[19:21]  * apachelogger gives up
[19:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: aww..
[19:21] <maco> yeah rekonq is a sad panda on mav
[19:21] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: groovy
[19:21] <maco> its not so crashy on lucid
[19:21]  * apachelogger hands JontheEchidna a cookie and hugs the cookie
[19:22]  * JontheEchidna looks at the resulting cookie crumbs
[19:22] <apachelogger> maco: you know, I thought it was crashy on lucid ... but that was nothing compared to this here
[19:22]  * apachelogger is the scared
[19:22] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: no kubotu -> no world's finest cookies
[19:22] <JontheEchidna> where is teh kubotu???
[19:22] <apachelogger> so you really do not want to get any cookies right now
[19:22] <maco> apachelogger: aww why cant the one for kubuntu be Kubuntu One?
[19:22] <apachelogger> they are probably totally mediocre or so
[19:23] <apachelogger> maco: cause I will make KubuntuCloud : public OwnCloud {}; :P
[19:23] <shadeslayer> nice ^^
[19:23] <shadeslayer> maco: i asked him the same thing 2 days ago i think
[19:23] <apachelogger> anyhow, we could call the client kubuntu one, but that would kinda break the branding altogether
[19:24] <JontheEchidna> ^which is another good reason why Ubuntu One should leave Ubuntu out of the brand name
[19:24] <JontheEchidna> [/imo]
[19:24] <apachelogger> ack
[19:24]  * shadeslayer goes back to writing reports
[19:24] <apachelogger> the agenda itmes are very descriptive today :/
[19:25]  * JontheEchidna feels sad for this: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/oxygen-molecule
[19:25] <apachelogger> is that the pixmap based thingy?
[19:25] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[19:25] <JontheEchidna> but really, if no GPL is shipped and no file claims GPL-ness, then it's not distributable
[19:25] <shadeslayer> which reminds me...
[19:26] <shadeslayer> i haz to fix qipmsg
[19:26] <shadeslayer> but i cant find timez :S
[19:26] <apachelogger> aye it is not free software unless it claims to be free software
[19:27] <JontheEchidna> heh, this does mean that suse is shipping not free software in its default install
[19:27] <apachelogger> that is not a first I am sure ;)
[19:27] <JontheEchidna> see also: soprano-backend-sesame
[19:28] <apachelogger> so video  playerz we have dragon, kaffeine and possible vlc as contestent?
[19:29] <JontheEchidna> yeah. mplayer seems to be out of it due to licensing-issues with dependencies
[19:29] <apachelogger> well, smplayer is horribly ugly anyway
[19:29] <apachelogger> more so than kaffeine and vlc combined
[19:29] <JontheEchidna> what about kmplayer? (haven't checked that one out)
[19:30] <apachelogger> doesnt it also have ugly UI?
[19:30] <JontheEchidna> hmm, looking at screenies, yeah
[19:30] <apachelogger> the only somewhat good looking player is really bangarang I think :S
[19:30] <apachelogger> of the more popular ones anyway
[19:31] <shadeslayer> bangarang++
[19:31] <apachelogger> what is with message indicator again?
[19:31] <shadeslayer> altho i would like to see VLC on the cd
[19:32] <shadeslayer> just because almost everyone coming from windows will know how to use it
[19:32] <apachelogger> true that
[19:32] <apachelogger> ubuntu got firefox, but we would then have vlc
[19:32] <shadeslayer> yep
[19:32] <apachelogger> so it is facebook vs. p0rn in a popularity contenst
[19:33] <shadeslayer> and you know what wins...
[19:33]  * apachelogger thinks we would win with vlc and take all them ubuntu users
[19:33] <shadeslayer> totally 
[19:34] <dantti_> Riddell: how many hours do I have left :P
[19:34] <shadeslayer> wth... spell check = fail on kword
[19:34] <apachelogger> can someone update the kwebkitpart?
[19:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: new beta release?
[19:34] <apachelogger> yeah
[19:35]  * shadeslayer looks into it
[19:35] <apachelogger> I suppose ours is older ^^
[19:35] <dantti_> Riddell:  I have found that the pk-qt bug wasn't actually a pk-qt bug, so I'm trying now to just fix aptcc to proper show the distro updates and make a kpk 0.6.1
[19:35] <Quintasan> urgh
[19:35] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: go fix0r kdelibs
[19:35] <Quintasan> apachelogger: do so, I tried changing it to dh_install but crap didnt work
[19:35] <Quintasan> going
[19:35] <Quintasan> what is wrong exacly?
[19:35] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: ^
[19:35] <apachelogger> Quintasan: huh?
[19:35] <Quintasan> list-missing yields nothing
[19:35]  * apachelogger does not follow
[19:36] <Quintasan> apachelogger: listmissing hook
[19:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the KIdleTIme stuff
[19:36] <apachelogger> ah
[19:36] <apachelogger> Quintasan: dh_install is inferior
[19:36] <Quintasan> last time I was told cdbs is inferior
[19:36] <apachelogger> the list-missing stuff from cdbs acts on global scale
[19:36] <apachelogger> cdbs is, but not that target
[19:37] <apachelogger> well, the target also has its problems (like with manpages since those get compressed...)
[19:37] <JontheEchidna> dantti_: is kde bug 225404 a pk-qt bug?
[19:38] <JontheEchidna> it seems to have quite a few dupes
[19:38] <Quintasan> Muon is superior
[19:39] <ulysses> muon++
[19:40] <apachelogger> the supremacy of muon is undeniable
[19:40] <apachelogger> so
[19:40] <apachelogger> I always was wondering
[19:40] <apachelogger> why in the name of the teletubbies does the ubuntu beta font not obey the font naming scheme?
[19:40] <Quintasan> Ship it as default in 10.10
[19:40] <Quintasan> I demand it
[19:40] <dantti_> JontheEchidna: well the serviceOwnerChanged is a change in pk-qt, that I don't see it anymore in pk-qt 0.6
[19:41] <ulysses> Quintasan: +1
[19:41] <Quintasan> Or at least add a big popup after install that KPK ears children so we recommend Muon
[19:41] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: +1k
[19:41] <Quintasan> eats*
[19:42] <apachelogger> hm
[19:42]  * Quintasan would use some fancy GUI if not KPK
[19:42] <apachelogger> dantti_: kpk is entirely model based isn't it?
[19:42] <Quintasan> <3 aptitude
[19:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: also.. if you install ubuntu beta font + use autohinting.... kubuntu becomes ultimate
[19:43] <apachelogger> I do not install buggy packages intentionally
[19:43] <Quintasan> is that new font that really nice?
[19:44] <Quintasan> CLOSED testing of so called open font is well, not really rational?
[19:44] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: want a screenshot?
[19:44] <shadeslayer> ive used the font since i was granted access to the PPA
[19:44] <dantti_> apachelogger: yup
[19:45] <JontheEchidna> dantti_: the function still seems to be there in 0.6.5
[19:45] <apachelogger> Quintasan: ^ there, writing a new UI for KPK is not gonna become much easier than that
[19:45] <dantti_> JontheEchidna: you mean the problem?
[19:45] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://imgur.com/DoyZd
[19:46] <JontheEchidna> dantti_: maybe I misunderstood what you said. I thought you said that serviceOwnerChanged wasn't in 0.6
[19:46] <dantti_> Quintasan: KPK eats children?
[19:46] <apachelogger> to me the font looks like arial had a wild night with comic sans
[19:47] <ScottK> Quintasan: It is intended to be an openly usable font.  It's not a collaboratively developed font, so I'd not worry about the font.
[19:47] <apachelogger> and then the women of those two smoked and did drugs
[19:47] <JontheEchidna> here's what the ubuntu font looks like with my hinting settings: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopaj9879
[19:47] <apachelogger> and now capital letter sizing is all off
[19:47] <shadeslayer> altho.. i would like the monospace font released too
[19:47] <dantti_> JontheEchidna: well the bug with serviceOwnerChanged happened when packagekitd died or exit and pk-qt deleted wrong stuff, which is fixed in pk-qt (or at least I can't reproduce it here anymore
[19:48] <JontheEchidna> is there a fix we can backport?
[19:49] <apachelogger> can someone ditch me the ttf?
[19:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: sure one sec
[19:49] <dantti_> I'm not so sure I asked the old maintainer to rewrite lot's of stuff so I'm not too sure I could track it down...
[19:49] <Quintasan> grr
[19:49] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: what is missing?
[19:50] <Quintasan> my hooks are dumb it seems
[19:50] <JontheEchidna> oh well, marking dupes of that helped get me on top of the KDE bug list :D https://bugs.kde.org/weekly-bug-summary.cgi
[19:50] <apachelogger> again
[19:50] <apachelogger> ...
[19:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: mailed
[19:50] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: /usr/include/KDE/KIdleTime or somesuch
[19:51]  * Quintasan breaks the build
[19:51] <dantti_> JontheEchidna: pk-qt was nicely written but the author of it use gnome and didn't use kpk so all bugs I found I had to fix myself
[19:51] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: cheers
[19:51] <JontheEchidna> dantti_: doesn't sound like too much fun :(
[19:51] <dantti_> now that I'm the maintainer of it, it might get better (I hope so)
[19:52] <JontheEchidna> :)
[19:52] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: TBH, ubuntu font is inferior to ttf-droid
[19:52] <shadeslayer> noooo
[19:52] <shadeslayer> ubuntu font ++
[19:52] <apachelogger> Quintasan: ack
[19:52] <shadeslayer> infact
[19:53] <shadeslayer> when i showed it to other people in #kde-in they said they wanted the font too
[19:53] <Quintasan> Use Droid Sans Japanese
[19:53] <Quintasan> It looks just neat!
[19:53] <shadeslayer> and it looked far better than anything else
[19:53] <apachelogger> no
[19:53] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: obviously you didn't use Droid TTF
[19:53] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i have
[19:53] <apachelogger> that is because kubuntu has superior font rendering capabilities
[19:53] <apachelogger> coming from unupstreamed ubuntu patches in fontconfig or somesuch
[19:54] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: still i use ubuntu font
[19:54] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/logos/snapshot005.png
[19:54] <Quintasan> Well, your choice, I find that font eeew
[19:54] <apachelogger> maybe it is just me but proportions are off
[19:55] <apachelogger> there is this "U which (due to the ") is much larger than the other caps
[19:55] <maco> isnt droid the one with weird kerning?
[19:55] <apachelogger> throwing the whole thing off course
[19:55] <Quintasan> It just doesn't look like a font that should be used in OS
[19:55] <Quintasan> maco: kerning?
[19:55] <maco> http://troy-sobotka.blogspot.com/2008/07/why-droid-isnt-answer.html
[19:55] <maco> Quintasan: funky spacing between letters
[19:56] <apachelogger> also the umlaut points are for some reason stronger than the point on the i
[19:56] <Quintasan> It seems that my sugesstion was not seen
[19:56] <apachelogger> also teh q does look super horrible
[19:57] <Quintasan> maco: did you try Droid Sans Japanese @ 10?
[19:57] <ScottK> Fortunately there is no qubuntu.
[19:57] <apachelogger> because it does proportionally not go very "deep"
[19:57] <Quintasan> It looks better
[19:57] <apachelogger> which makes the whole line like crunched IMHO
[19:57] <apachelogger> now
[19:57] <maco> Quintasan: no i havent played much with japanese fonts
[19:57] <apachelogger> let me show you how that looks at my regular font size on the netbook
[19:57] <Quintasan> maco: it looks different + it has japanese symbols
[19:57] <Riddell> dantti_: no rush, seems alpha 3 isn't until next week
[19:58] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/logos/snapshot006.png
[19:58] <shadeslayer> Need to get 301MB of archives. << thanks guys :D
[19:58] <apachelogger> I dont know about you
[19:58] <shadeslayer> as well as After this operation, 198MB of additional disk space will be used.
[19:59] <Riddell> ** Kubuntu Meeting in a minute in #ubuntu-meeting
[19:59] <apachelogger> but the capital letters do not really look capital at all
[19:59] <apachelogger> in relation to the other letters
[19:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: dude.. that is so small
[19:59] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: usr/bin/preparetips <--- that would go where?
[19:59] <maco> i like single-pixel fonts
[19:59] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: debian/not-installed
[19:59] <Quintasan> apachelogger: what is that font?
[19:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you should consider investing in a better screen :P
[19:59] <Quintasan> oh great
[20:00] <apachelogger> Quintasan: you bun too beta
[20:00] <Quintasan> oh, it is there
[20:00] <ScottK> Riddell: I tried to fix the javascript config thing to turn autohide off for netbook and demolished it (locally).  Do you know how to do that?
[20:00] <Quintasan> yus, dh_install is inferior
[20:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: heh
[20:00] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I love these charts that the release script makes: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopqf9879
[20:00] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: the whole builds fails just because of +usr/include/KDE/KIdleTime ?
[20:01] <Quintasan> :O
[20:01] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: council ping
[20:01] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: council pong
[20:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: hrrhrr
[20:01] <Quintasan> trololololol
[20:01]  * Quintasan lol'd hard
[20:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/QSmCqYcn < hahahaha
[20:02] <shadeslayer> weirdest error
[20:05] <Quintasan> why do I get those strange errors with permission denied when debuild -S is running? 
[20:05] <Quintasan> grr
[20:08] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: because you have to remove the older .debs
[20:08] <Quintasan> oh
[20:08] <shadeslayer> from the parent dir
[20:09] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: those are permissions denied from .pc <-- patches from quilt
[20:09] <shadeslayer> ahh
[20:09] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://pastebin.com/QSmCqYcn any ideas?
[20:10] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: those are in any install files?
[20:11] <Quintasan> try putting them in not-installed for one build and see what happens
[20:11] <MIH1406>  /msg nickserv identify 254223 
[20:11] <MIH1406> Opps!
[20:11] <shadeslayer> :P
[20:11] <maco> MIH1406: time to change that password?
[20:11] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: nope
[20:12] <Quintasan> MIH1406: that was fatal mistake
[20:12] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: btw we dont ship .mo files
[20:12]  * Quintasan takes over MIH1406 login
[20:12] <shadeslayer> stripped by LP they are
[20:12] <Quintasan> so put them in not-installed
[20:13] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: this is thrown by lp builder or ur local builder?
[20:13] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: local build.. but this is apachelogger's l10n magic
[20:13] <MIH1406> maco: thank you, I did not think in that.
[20:14] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: just try it, you saw that his magic sometimes doesn't work
[20:14] <Quintasan> :P
[20:14] <MIH1406> maco: what is this: -*- Quintasan takes over MIH1406 login?
[20:14] <maco> MIH1406: Quintasan making a joke about using your password against you
[20:14] <Quintasan> MIH1406: you posted your nickserv password :P
[20:14] <Quintasan> My, failed jokes are sure bad :<
[20:14] <MIH1406> But i made a mistake it is not the correct password ;)
[20:14] <MIH1406> I am lucky
[20:14] <MIH1406> !
[20:15] <Quintasan> \o/
[20:15] <shadeslayer> MIH1406: rofl
[20:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no that is your fault actually
[20:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: how so?
[20:15] <apachelogger> I do not know ^^
[20:15] <shadeslayer> ive never seen this error
[20:16] <apachelogger> well it happens when dh_install is invoked with fail-missing
[20:16] <apachelogger> and it is fail-missing because the mo files are notinstalled
[20:16] <shadeslayer> even after putting them in not-installed :P
[20:16] <apachelogger> !info kwebkitpart maverick
[20:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yes
[20:16] <apachelogger> not-installed only affects the pbuilder hook
[20:16] <Quintasan> Oh? :O
[20:16] <shadeslayer> ba
[20:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: then rules file should be fix0red
[20:17] <Quintasan> well, testbuilding kdelibs so nooone will complain anymore
[20:17] <shadeslayer> Quintasan:            This option is like --list-missing, except if a file was missed, it will not only list the missing files, but also fail with a  nonzero exit code
[20:17] <shadeslayer> from man page
[20:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: the install should be fix0rd
[20:17] <apachelogger> because you are missing files!!!!!!
[20:18] <shadeslayer> but why do we need .mo files?
[20:18] <shadeslayer> LP strips them
[20:19] <Quintasan> I dunno about l10n magic, but stripping makes me think it goes to another package
[20:19] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: theyre imported by LP
[20:19] <shadeslayer> as far as i understand the magic
[20:19] <Quintasan> well
[20:19] <Quintasan> add them to l10n-magic-fails.install
[20:20] <Quintasan> and try it then
[20:20] <Quintasan> :P
[20:20] <shadeslayer> lol
[20:20] <apachelogger> hya
[20:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: didnt I explain in detail how that l10n foo goes :P
[20:20] <Quintasan> The problem with magic is that you need pylons
[20:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: nope
[20:20] <apachelogger> well, I shall do so after the meeting then
[20:20] <shadeslayer> i just know that the l10n foo gets stripped
[20:20] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: you should hear "WE NEED TO CONSTRUCT ADDITIONAL PYLONS" in your head when it fails
[20:21] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[20:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ill be sleeping after meet
[20:21] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: ^^ <--- make it so in Muon
[20:21] <shadeslayer> college tommorow 
[20:21] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: more like, nuclear launch detected
[20:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer:  you shall never know the secrets of l10n then :P
[20:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: actually you could go and read about it on the wiki
[20:22] <dantti_> JontheEchidna: what do you think about showing the extended_description like http://pusling.com/blog/?p=171
[20:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: whaiiii ? :(
[20:22] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: nuclear launch detected when something goes wrong
[20:22] <vorian> werd, starting on accessability
[20:22] <apachelogger> because that stuff, as one of the few things in ubuntu is actually documented
[20:22] <shadeslayer> hehe
[20:22] <Quintasan> vorian: \o
[20:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: point me to docs
[20:22] <shadeslayer> ill try to sort it out tommorow 
[20:22] <JontheEchidna> dantti_: I was actually wondering where the text went when I had the grub update yesterday. I didn't know what to do
[20:22] <vorian> hello Quintasan o/
[20:23] <JontheEchidna> dantti_: I'd very much like to see the extended description by default
[20:23] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: go search for them :P
[20:24] <dantti_> JontheEchidna: k, I'd change it then..  I think it's better too
[20:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ill poke ninja wiki tomorrow then
[20:25] <vorian> I do love the looks of cmake in action
[20:25] <vorian> <3
[20:26] <Quintasan> artS
[20:26] <Quintasan> apachelogger: :/
[20:26] <Quintasan> oh god
[20:26] <apachelogger> arts is like the daleks
[20:26] <apachelogger> always coming back
[20:26] <Quintasan> lol
[20:26] <vorian> exterminate 
[20:26] <Quintasan> can't we somehow skip it?
[20:27] <vorian> i'll do it
[20:27] <vorian> i assume you are talking about artwork?
[20:27]  * ryanakca guesses that KDE 3 sound thing
[20:28] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: you should practice doing it more often then
[20:28] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: refreshing patches ?
[20:28] <shadeslayer> i do.. but it turns out, some breaks kdelibs ^
[20:28] <shadeslayer> *someone
 ScottK: id rather bangarang than kaffeine
[20:30] <apachelogger> thatn sounds like something sexual
[20:30] <apachelogger> !!!
[20:30] <shadeslayer> rofl
[20:31] <shadeslayer> i thought someone would say something.. nobody did :P
[20:32] <maco> isnt that when they put robin williams into a vat of colourful goo in Hook?
[20:40] <JontheEchidna> we want a sync request for this: http://packages.debian.org/sid/phonon-backend-vlc
[20:40]  * JontheEchidna files
[20:42] <JontheEchidna> mm, needs merge, it look slike
[20:42] <vorian> not a slike!
[20:43] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/update-manager/main
[20:43] <shadeslayer> thats the code for update-manager right?
[20:43] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[20:44] <shadeslayer> k thanks
[20:54] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: kdelibs fixxord
[20:55] <shadeslayer> \o/
[20:55] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: thanks
[20:56] <eMyller> hellos
[20:56] <eMyller> Quintasan: did you fix your system?
[20:56] <Quintasan> eMyller: \o
[20:56] <Quintasan> eMyller: reinstalled
[20:57] <eMyller> lol
[20:57] <Quintasan> it was broked beyond the point of being recoverable
[20:57] <Quintasan> beats me what killed it though
[20:57] <eMyller> dang
[20:57] <eMyller> i brake my katepart stuff yesterday
[20:58] <eMyller> i'm following the kate repo, and overwrote the system stuff with make install. but the trunk stuff was broken and i couldn't install the stable ¬¬
[20:58] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: btw will we provide neon scripts to compile stuff against kde neon?
[20:59]  * eMyller wonders what's neon
[20:59] <Quintasan> why should we shadeslayer ?
[20:59] <Quintasan> just use cmake with -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX
[21:00] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: would be nice if we could alias that 
[21:00] <Quintasan> I do not find it necessary, we will link to wiki
[21:00] <Quintasan> Plus, writing such a script is probably impossible since we won't be able to cover all possible outcomes
[21:00] <Quintasan> :P
[21:02] <shadeslayer> hehe
[21:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger made something like neonmake
[21:02] <shadeslayer> or something
[21:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Quintasan im off to sleep, will look at kdebase and kwebkit stuff tmmrw
[21:22] <j-b> Riddell: ok :D
[21:22] <shadeslayer> also i put someone on the QDialog to KDialog switch of update-manager
[21:22] <shadeslayer> kstar from #kde-in.. he might plop in here :P
[21:22] <Riddell> j-b: all I know if what's written on http://kaffeine.kde.org/
[21:22] <Riddell> "This way it has the necessary control over xine and e.g. VDPAU usage is possible."
[21:22] <Quintasan> cool story
[21:22] <j-b> which is nothing
[21:22] <j-b> it is like a joke
[21:23] <apachelogger> j-b: I think it didn't use phonon at any point, did it?
[21:23] <Riddell> it's strange for sure
[21:23] <Riddell> apachelogger: betas of 1.0 did
[21:23] <apachelogger> oh
[21:23] <shadeslayer> debfx: can we haz new phonon-backend-vlc
[21:23] <apachelogger> in that case I find this madness
[21:23] <j-b> this is the most stupid reason I have seen
[21:24] <Riddell> I don't even know what VDPAU is
[21:24] <j-b> I don't like Kaffeine, so I won't cry, but still...
[21:24] <j-b> Riddell: GPU decoding
[21:24] <shadeslayer> Riddell: nvidia gpu acceleration thingy
[21:24] <shadeslayer> yeah what j-b said :D
[21:24] <j-b> and the nVidia API
[21:24] <j-b> as opposed to VAAPI and XvBA
[21:24] <\sh> Riddell: VDPAU (Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix) -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDPAU
[21:24] <j-b> intel and ATI ones
[21:24] <shadeslayer> ciao 
[21:25] <apachelogger> ^^
[21:25] <j-b> Riddell: then, I am "WTF"
[21:25] <shadeslayer> oh noes... ktorrent is brokes again
[21:26] <ScottK> Can someone explain what's up with libqt4-multimedia  http://launchpadlibrarian.net/52552362/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-ia64.kdebindings_4:4.4.92-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[21:26] <j-b> Riddell: well, ok.
[21:26] <j-b> Riddell: if you have requests about VLC UI for KDE integration, please tell me...
[21:26] <debfx> Riddell: have you forwarded to Debian that phonon-vlc needs to depend on vlc?
[21:27] <\sh> ScottK: someone messed up the buildds and lost gcc? ;)
[21:27] <ScottK> \sh: No.  Lost libqt4-multimedia.
[21:27] <\sh> yeah the tight dep
[21:27] <ScottK> Which I think is on purpose, but then the kdebindings build-deps need fixing.
[21:27]  * ScottK recalls Riddell saying something about it.
[21:28] <Riddell> libqt4-multimedia is gone, it's now qtmultimediakit in qt-mobility
[21:28] <ScottK> Riddell: So kdebindings needs fixed?
[21:28] <Riddell> ScottK: yes
[21:29] <ScottK> OK.
[21:29] <ScottK> ia64 is about as fixed up as it can get then until that's uploaded.
[21:30] <Riddell> j-b: lack of oxygen icons are the first obvious non-KDE thing about it
[21:30] <Riddell> j-b: I suspect more than that needs a UI designer to look at it
[21:30] <j-b> Riddell: this is like 20 LoC, I did it at KDE multimedia meeting
[21:31] <j-b> Riddell: well, if you have one under the hand
[21:31] <yofel_> anyone working on bug 608878 or should be make a debdiff?
[21:31] <Riddell> seele is on holiday
[21:31] <Riddell> yofel: jontheechidna might be
[21:31] <Riddell> yofel: although a debdiff would get it fixed faster :)
[21:31] <Riddell> j-b: how is i18n done?
[21:32] <j-b> Riddell: gettext?
[21:32] <apachelogger> dang, wrong branch -.-
[21:33] <apachelogger> querying the service for a special mimetype is way too easy 
[21:44] <Riddell> j-b: do you have that vlc patch for oxygen icons?  is it something we should include in our packages?
[21:46] <j-b> Riddell: I do have it. And no, you shouldn't include it.
[21:46] <j-b> Riddell: but I could merge it
[21:47] <Riddell> vlc's UI is certainly the full featured cousin to dragon's simplicity
[21:47] <j-b> smplayer UI is even worse
[21:47] <j-b> and Kaffeine has left toolbar, top toolbar, side toolbar
[21:48] <Riddell> although not being phonon it doesn't follow the device preferences of phonon which is the same problem as Kaffeine has
[21:48] <Riddell> it also has a pointless systray icon like Kaffeine, my nemesis :)
[21:48] <j-b> Riddell: although, you can easily change the toolbars in VLC.
[21:48] <j-b> Riddell: and remove the systray icon
[21:48] <j-b> those are just configuration discussion
[21:49] <j-b> but still, as a KDE user, I expect a phonon media player
[21:49] <Riddell> tooltips and help menu don't quite fit in to kde, presumably due to it not using kdelibs
[21:49] <j-b> Tooltips? how so?
[21:49] <j-b> How do you change the phonon device prefs?
[21:50] <ulysses> I found an untranslatable message in Muon
[21:51] <Riddell> j-b: tooltips are a pretty blue in KDE
[21:51] <Riddell> j-b: phonon device preferences are in System Settings -> Multimedia -> Phonon
[21:52] <Riddell> j-b: the main problem I have is pulse not switching to USB headphones when I plug them in, which is a pulseaudio problem but somehow phonon fixes it
[21:52] <Riddell> ulysses: I think jon is having connection problems tonight
[21:53] <ulysses> Riddell: :(
[21:53] <j-b> Riddell: well, linking to kdelibs should be doable and make the right colour for tooltips, right?
[21:54] <Riddell> j-b: it would make the kde fanboy part of my brain happy :)
[21:55] <j-b> Riddell: So, Oxygen icons, and tooltips, mostly?
[21:57] <Riddell> j-b: superficial but nice :)
[21:57] <Riddell> j-b: but as you say, it's not phonon and that is a bigger issue
[21:57] <j-b> Riddell: year.
[21:58] <j-b> Riddell: although i don't see any correct phonon-player, and this is annoying
[21:58] <j-b> even to test the vlc backend
[21:58] <Riddell> yep, that's our problem
[21:58] <j-b> come on, it shouldn't be hard
[21:59] <j-b> what does it need?
[21:59] <Riddell> I expect you know better than I do, you're the video player developer :)
[21:59] <Riddell> subtitle support and DVB are what I know are lacking from Dragon
[22:00] <Riddell> but I'm sure there's other bits
[22:00] <j-b> come on, Dragon is a joke...
[22:00] <Riddell> j-b: I presume vlc does DVD menus?
[22:01] <j-b> of course, since like 2002
[22:01] <Riddell> score 1 over gstreamer
[22:01] <j-b> we still are the home of libdvdcss, you know...
[22:01] <Riddell> I don't think I did know that
[22:02] <Riddell> libdvdcss which is now due to be installed by Ubuntu at the same time as the operating system
[22:02] <Riddell> even though we were told we couldn't do that year ago, humph
[22:02] <j-b> We are working on Blu-Ray menus, those days... DVD menus is last century battel
[22:08] <Riddell> j-b: why do you say Dragon is a joke? I'm sure from your point of view it is but I don't know all the features you would expect to have it taken seriously
[22:10] <j-b> Riddell: volume control is a joke, fullscreen controller is broken, playlist is so limited it is unusable, doesn't crop, doesn't have an equalizer, doesn't have any video filter, doesn't support streams...
[22:11] <j-b> I don't even speak about Capture devices, DVB, V4L, audio visualisation, always on top, deinterlacing, postprocessing
[22:11] <j-b> fast-forward, menu, proper chapter, frame-by-frame
[22:13] <j-b> that will do for today, no?
[22:13] <Riddell> yes :)
[22:14] <j-b> I can't understand how the KDE community has Amarok on one side and Dragon on the other...
[22:16] <\sh> j-b: amarok is mercedes class (has everything and is expensive), dragon is just the VW golf (not so much on board but cheap) ;) 
[22:16] <apachelogger> j-b: originally it was intent to not have a playlist at all
[22:16] <apachelogger> click - watch porn - close - click - watch more porn - close ...
[22:16] <apachelogger> that sort of usage paradigm 6^
[22:17] <j-b> apachelogger: that is denying what people want.
[22:17] <\sh> apachelogger: paradigm 6? 
[22:17] <j-b> apachelogger: anyway, I guess I will have to write one.
[22:17] <apachelogger> aye
[22:18] <ulysses> kde bug 245838
[22:18] <ulysses> \o/
[22:18] <apachelogger> j-b: you'd get an occasional bug fix from me ;)
[22:19] <Riddell> of course Amarok has a video plugin, maybe we should just use that :)
[22:19] <\sh> oh damn...in times of 10Gbit/s links, why do I have to wait for 1TB to be rsynced 
[22:19] <apachelogger> hm
[22:19] <apachelogger> you know
[22:19] <Riddell> apachelogger: I was joking!
[22:20] <apachelogger> I am on a netbooks with crappy intarwebs at 400kbs
[22:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: lol
[22:20] <\sh> Riddell: then you don't have amarok anymore, but you will get "mamarok" (Media Amarok) which is a name clash with a person we all know :) 
[22:20] <j-b> Riddell: this isn't stupid, you know
[22:20] <apachelogger> http://imagebin.ca/view/L5gi_Gz.html
[22:20] <apachelogger> look how nicely I crippled konqi
[22:20] <apachelogger> ScottK: ^
[22:21] <dantti_> Riddell: do you know why aptcc is compiled only for amd64?
[22:21] <j-b> anyway, see you guys, and thanks. Bugs and requests are welcome :D
[22:22] <ScottK> apachelogger: What had to go?
[22:22] <Riddell> dantti_: it's not?  https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+package/packagekit-backend-aptcc has it on all arches and I have it here on my i386 install
[22:22] <apachelogger> general && custom css stuff
[22:22] <apachelogger> also half the user-agent section needs to go
[22:22] <apachelogger> well, actually only on-off can stay there it seems
[22:23] <apachelogger> this removing stuff is actually fun :D
[22:23] <dantti_> Riddell: packages.ubuntu.com has only amd64
[22:23] <ScottK> Sounds like you could be a Gnome dev apachelogger.
[22:23] <ScottK> (re removing options)
[22:23] <apachelogger> yus
[22:23]  * apachelogger also likes C better than C++ 
[22:24] <dantti_> Riddell: and it has a typo in it's description :P written
[22:24] <apachelogger> ohhh
[22:24] <apachelogger> actually user agent seems to be working
[22:24] <apachelogger> that other site was just silly reporting the wrong agent back
[22:26] <apachelogger> if (KMimeTypeTrader::self()->preferredService("text/html", "KParts/ReadOnlyPart")->desktopEntryName() == QLatin1String("kwebkitpart"))
[22:27] <apachelogger> ScottK: using that one can clip junk everywhere, so technically we can remove stuff from all overthe UI if kwebkitpart is used
[22:27] <ScottK> Sounds like it's worth you putting together a package in maybe Kubuntu Experimental for people to try out.
[22:28] <ScottK> Get some feedback
[22:28] <ScottK> Etc.
[22:29] <apachelogger> I think shadeslayer would be a perfect minion to do that ;)
[22:29] <apachelogger> (also java is working)
[22:29] <apachelogger> javscript supposedly needs to go since kwebkit probably uses qwebkit's javascript thingy
[22:31] <ari-tczew> Riddell: ping
[22:36] <apachelogger> oh
[22:36] <apachelogger> javascript also works
[22:36] <apachelogger> ScottK: I really dunno what jonny was referring to that was so important to have disabled when using webkit in konq
[22:37] <apachelogger> the functions I removed in appearance are probably untouched by 99.9999 % of all users
[22:38] <ScottK> apachelogger: OK.  Sounds like it needs some testing then.
[22:38] <apachelogger> that it needs anyway
[22:38] <apachelogger> possibly some of the more advanced features do not work
[22:39] <apachelogger> someone just needs to go through all options and try them out
[22:39] <apachelogger> I can easily remove them then
[22:48] <ScottK> Riddell: Can you check if libsbigudrv-dev is really in Main on armel?  According to LP it is, but kdeedu can't seem to find it to build.
[23:10] <Riddell> hi ari-tczew 
[23:12] <Riddell> ScottK: err libsbigudrv2-dev is in multiverse
[23:12] <ScottK> That's not good.
[23:13] <Riddell> but kdeedu build-depends on libsbigudrv-dev
[23:13] <Riddell> which isn'tlibsbigudrv2-dev
[23:13] <Riddell> and infact doesn't seem to exist
[23:13] <Riddell> why is this indi stuff such a mess
[23:14] <ScottK> According to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/armel/libsbigudrv-dev/5:0.5-0ubuntu7 is exists.
[23:14] <ScottK> That even says it's in Main.
[23:14] <Riddell> it's from the indi source package which got deleted in maverick
[23:15] <Riddell> on the grounds that it duplicated libindi
[23:15] <ScottK> Ah.
[23:15] <ScottK> I see.
[23:15] <Riddell> if we have a standalone sbig that's better but is it the right version and why is it in multiverse?
[23:16] <ScottK> No idea.
[23:17] <ScottK> You uploaded it.
[23:18]  * Riddell notices python-qt4 is build and moves onto kdebindings
[23:18] <dantti_> Riddell: I'm still fighting with python here to support distro upgrades :P
[23:20] <Quintasan> Tsk, we need a python magician
[23:20] <Riddell> dantti_: with python?  surely the point of aptcc is it isn't python
[23:20] <ScottK> Riddell: At a glance, the license seems annoying, but free.
[23:20] <ari-tczew> Riddell: could you see package from bug 610242 I want to forward a delta to Debian, but I need an argument. why did you add Depend on vlc?
[23:21] <ScottK> Riddell: No non-free depends either.
[23:21] <dantti_> Riddell: well I'd have to understand what the python script does to know that there is a distro upgrade to get rid of it ...
[23:22] <dantti_> and the time seems to be short i guess
[23:22] <Riddell> ari-tczew: if it didn't depend on vlc then it didn't work, I spoke with fabo about it and he said he didn't notice that becaues he always has vlc installed
[23:22] <Riddell> ari-tczew: actually it did work but only in ascii art which may not satisfy all users
[23:23] <ari-tczew> Riddell: lol! seems to he is egoist
[23:24] <Riddell> dantti_: what's the python script you're looking at?
[23:25] <dantti_> Riddell: well it imports from UpdateManager.Core.MetaRelease   MetaReleaseCore which downloads and says if there is some upgrade
[23:26]  * dantti_ wonders if it works with a http proxy :P
[23:29] <Riddell> dantti_: so you want to have a wee python script something like this and run it http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/5Pg92C4m
[23:29] <Riddell> except with exit values rather than print statements I guess
[23:29] <Riddell> that's what we used to do in adept
[23:30] <dantti_> Riddell: well at first this is what I want, and it already works, the only problem is to call it from aptcc :/
[23:30] <Riddell> system("my-python-scipt.py");  no?
[23:31] <dantti_> I'd need popen but then It could not find the file.. :/
[23:31] <dantti_> since packagekid cleans $PWD
[23:33] <Riddell> it is possible to reimplement the logic, it's just parsing http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release we used to do that in some adept versions too
[23:33] <Riddell> but it's fiddly and liable to mistakes
[23:35] <dantti_> Riddell: hmm parsing that seems easy, which kind of mistakes do you think we could get?
[23:38] <Riddell> ScottK: sbig-2.0.0 is just binary files
[23:38] <ScottK> Riddell: Oh.  That'll do it.
[23:40] <Riddell> ScottK: I guess uploading the indi source package and not having it build the indi binary package is the answer
[23:40] <ScottK> Riddell: Seems reasonable.
[23:47] <Riddell> dantti_: it also has to read /etc/update-manager/meta-release
[23:47] <Riddell> and have options for http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-development
[23:48] <Riddell> and work with proxies :)
[23:48] <dantti_> Riddell: right then I guess I should avoid that :P
[23:48] <dantti_> I'll copy the apt backend .py file and remove what I don't need :P
[23:50] <dantti_> Riddell: alph3 is today right?
[23:50] <Riddell> dantti_: actually I got it wrong, it's next week
[23:50] <Riddell> sorry about that
[23:51] <dantti_> hmm better then :D
[23:51] <dantti_> Riddell: maybe I can get you a new kpk release :P
[23:51] <dantti_> this week I have more time ...
[23:52] <dantti_> Riddell: btw there is a file I'd like to the packagekit package to install and not the backend packages, can you change that?
[23:52] <Riddell> dantti_: can do, what's that?
[23:52] <dantti_> 20packagekit installed in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d
[23:53] <dantti_> which is actually a broken file but I'll fix it
[23:53] <dantti_> the guy who wrote it needs to learn some shell foo :P
[23:54] <Riddell> dantti_: should be easy enough to do
[23:54] <dantti_> this files pokes the frontends in case the user install/remove/update stuff with apt-get/aptitude...