[00:26] <meindian523> Hey, just updated my system
[00:26] <isiah> we salute you
[00:26] <meindian523> Has Grub been rolled back to Grub legacy?
[00:27] <isiah> cant you check your update logs?
[00:27] <meindian523> as in?
[00:28] <isiah> i thought there was an easy way to check it from update-manager
[00:30]  * meindian523 can't see anything of the sort
[00:30] <isiah> i know
[00:30] <isiah> I was in error
[00:32] <meindian523> hmm
[00:32] <meindian523> suddenly, there is a menu.lst in /boot/grub
[00:32] <isiah> i thought that was supposed to be there
[00:32] <meindian523> and it seems to be loading Ubuntu, and there is a strange item Chainload into Grub 2
[00:33] <meindian523> why would I chainload into Grub 2 when Grub legacy can load my kernel just fine?
[00:33] <meindian523> isiah, AFAIK, since 9.10 there has been no menu.lst in /boot/grub
[00:37]  * meindian523 parts, apparently won't find the answer here
[00:51] <stlsaint> hey folks
[00:51] <JoeMaverickSett> hi!
[00:51] <JoeMaverickSett> ;)
[01:05] <stlsaint> JoeMaverickSett: sup
[01:11] <JoeMaverickSett> stlsaint, hi!
[01:12] <JoeMaverickSett> stlsaint, where you from dude?
[01:27] <stlsaint> JoeMaverickSett: im in texas right now
[01:32] <paultag> Hey guys, I have a quick question, if anyone's around
[01:32] <paultag> My netbook is barfing on boot. I've traced it down to this:
[01:33] <paultag>  * b34 wifi driver is hanging init thread on boot
[01:33] <paultag>  * it happens at random, about 90% reproducable
[01:33] <paultag>  * REISUB fails
[01:33] <paultag>  * Ctrl+alt+del fails
[01:33] <paultag>  * No keyboard output
[01:33] <paultag>  * No bootsplash
[01:33] <paultag>  * Present in Xubuntu and Kubuntu 10.04 ( same kernel )
[01:34] <paultag>  * It worked fine in Ubuntu 10.04 ( even though it's the same kernel )
[01:34] <_schism_> Good evening all
[01:34] <paultag> Ideas?
[01:34] <paultag> hey _schism_
[01:34] <IdleOne> paultag: change when the b43 module loads?
[01:34] <IdleOne> To explicitly load modules in a specific order, list them in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and type « sudo update-initramfs -u »
[01:34] <_schism_> anyone have a moment to help me figgure out something. I am a noob and google is leading me in circles.
[01:35] <paultag> IdleOne: see, I hit single user to kill splash, and the last consistant line was that it's going from low to high, or something to that effect
[01:35] <IdleOne> paultag: granted that is a  complete stab in the dark
[01:35] <seidos> paultag, try other kernels?  I had a wifi problem in 2.6.28 that was fixed in 2.6.30, *but* my laptop won't even run on the newer kernels like 2.6.31
[01:35] <paultag> IdleOne: aye
[01:35] <paultag> seidos: Humm, could be a regression, I'll have to test that
[01:36] <_schism_> I have a device that lspci is saying is        Verint Systems Inc. Device 0601 (rev 13)  but I cant seem to get it to be seen by anything or find out anything about it
[01:36] <paultag> _schism_: do you know what it does?
[01:37] <paultag> uh oh _schism_
[01:37] <paultag> _schism_: http://verint.com/corporate/
[01:37] <_schism_> paultag, yes they are cctv cards. video capture of some sort at least
[01:37] <paultag> _schism_: looks like logging stuff. Let me see if I can find more
[01:38] <_schism_> paultag, thank you so much I found theie site but could find anything else and I am trying to use zoneminder or something simular
[01:38] <paultag> thanks IdleOne, seidos
[01:38] <paultag> _schism_: can you give me lspci -v ?
[01:38] <paultag> _schism_: at least see what kern mod it's using
[01:39] <_schism_> yes sir just a moment. I am ssh into the machine
[01:39] <paultag> _schism_: sure
[01:39]  * seidos is looking through his lspci.
[01:39] <_schism_> ummmmm its big want me to use pastie or a pm?
[01:39] <seidos> I'm sure I have mysterious devices in there
[01:39] <paultag> !pastebin | _schism_
[01:39] <ubot2`> _schism_: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[01:39] <paultag> seidos: don't we all
[01:40] <paultag> seidos: http://i.imgur.com/0BbpS.jpg <-- NO EMOTION.
[01:40] <JoeMaverickSett> stlsaint, wow! cool! i'm in Malaysia.
[01:40] <seidos> paultag, actually, lspci seems to be making sense.  lshw is the different story.
[01:40] <paultag> haha
[01:40] <slidinghorn> lmao
[01:41] <paultag> seidos: I find lshw is a bit too verbose for my taste
[01:41] <paultag> slidinghorn: classic, I know :)
[01:41] <_schism_> paultag, http://paste.ubuntu.com/469099/
[01:41] <seidos> paultag, haha, cool photo.
[01:41] <paultag> thanks _schism_ :)
[01:41] <paultag> _schism_: sec
[01:41] <JoeMaverickSett> stlsaint, dude, i gotta go, it's morning here and i have to attend college. cya next time dude. nice chatting with ya. ;)
[01:41] <paultag> seidos: wish it was me
[01:41] <seidos> paultag, I thought it was.  Do you know them?
[01:42] <paultag> seidos: not a clue
[01:42] <paultag> seidos: internets are a great place
[01:42] <_schism_> paultag, no thank you sir I do appreciate it
[01:42] <paultag> _schism_: well I got some good news and some bad news
[01:42] <_schism_> :(
[01:42] <paultag> _schism_: good news is it's not watching your IP traffic
[01:43] <paultag> _schism_: bad news is it looks like Linux has no idea what to do with it
[01:43] <paultag> _schism_: However, there is a bright side
[01:43] <_schism_> paultag, ugh so basicly I can only use it with windoze?
[01:43] <_schism_> paultag, bright is good
[01:43] <paultag> _schism_: the Linux hackers do love programming drivers, if you file a bug for it, with all the information you can provide to them, they might be able to scrap something up for you
[01:43] <paultag> _schism_: it looks like it's almost usable, it even sees the onboard RAM
[01:44] <_schism_> paultag, you mean file a bug to the ubuntu devs?
[01:44] <paultag> _schism_: no sir, right up to the Linux devs. Us down here at Ubuntu are not much use with this, because it effects everyone
[01:44] <paultag> _schism_: sec
[01:44] <paultag> _schism_: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/
[01:45] <paultag> _schism_: might want to look up who writes multimedia drivers up with the Kernel
[01:45] <paultag> and CC him
[01:45] <paultag> or her
[01:45] <paultag> or it, really
[01:45] <_schism_> paultag,   thanks so much. I am trying to move everyone I can over to nix and its great to know that there are people like you here to help
[01:45] <paultag> _schism_: it's no problem. I'm sorry it's not supported yet :)
[01:46] <seidos> it's probably a video capture device
[01:46] <seidos> if I had to guess
[01:46] <paultag> seidos: aye, I'm with you on this
[01:46] <paultag> seidos: but has onboard ram via PCI, so it's CCTV or Cable
[01:46] <seidos> I can't think of any other kind of "video multimedia device"
[01:46] <paultag> +1
[01:46] <seidos> paultag, firewire doesn't use onboard ram?
[01:46] <_schism_> yeah its a cctv device
[01:46] <paultag> seidos: Ooohh, good point
[01:47] <paultag> seidos: but this is on lspci ( ls pci )
[01:47] <paultag> Woo!
[01:47] <seidos> paultag, I have no idea, I'm just asking
[01:47] <paultag> called it :)
[01:47] <paultag> seidos: Hey man, we're all learning useless crap every day
[01:47] <_schism_> paultag, its out of a windows based dvr (I am in the field) but I am trying to show people we need to use linux.....
[01:47] <paultag> _schism_: are you with an OEM ?
[01:47] <seidos> paultag, +1
[01:48] <_schism_> paultag, I wish life would be a lot easier.  I am a tech
[01:48] <_schism_> installing and the like
[01:48] <paultag> _schism_: if those tech docs that show how the card works somehow made it's way to the kernel devs... ;)
[01:48] <seidos> life only gets more complicated for a tech
[01:48] <paultag> _schism_: +1 I worked as a tech for years
[01:49] <_schism_> lol I can even find the card on their site or get them to admit it exist.  lets just say I am not supposed to have the cards..... they accidently made it from the recycle bin to my tool box.
[01:49] <_schism_> and oddly enough it was an accident........
[01:49] <paultag> _schism_: accedents happen
[01:49] <paultag> _schism_: mmhum :)
[01:50] <_schism_> paultag, yeah actualy it was.  but then again I am not complaining if I can make it work under nix :)
[01:50] <paultag> Yup!!
[01:50] <paultag> _schism_: worth a shot or two :)
[01:51] <stlsaint> paultag: or two ;)
[01:51] <_schism_> yep. would be better if I actuly knew more about nix and ubuntu.  learning as much as I can but cant seem to wrap my head around it.  9.04 on this laptop because it took forever and a lot of begging to get the sound card to work and I am afraid to touch it
[01:51]  * paultag busts out the tequila and salt
[01:52] <paultag> _schism_: :(
[01:52] <stlsaint> crap there are alot of 'S' nicks in here
[01:52] <paultag> _schism_: *please* report bugs, we can't help make it better if we don't know about 'em :)
[01:52] <stlsaint> _schism_: have you considered going up to 10.04?
[01:52] <_schism_> paultag, yeah I wanna move to 10.04 but I dont have the skills yet and I like my buttons on the right ;)
[01:52] <paultag> _schism_: oh you can repair that no problem
[01:52] <_schism_> paultag, now that I know how I will :)
[01:52] <_schism_> paultag, realy?
[01:52] <paultag> _schism_: just apply a new theme, or use gconf
[01:53] <paultag> _schism_: I can give you the gconf line, if you want the stock theme
[01:53] <_schism_> paultag, not yet maybe in a bit one thing at a time I dont want to post it in the bug thingie and screw everything up
[01:53] <paultag> _schism_: this is a guide if you want to keep the stock theme -- http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/13535/move-window-buttons-back-to-the-right-in-ubuntu-10.04/
[01:53] <paultag> _schism_: Sure :)
[01:53] <_schism_> paultag, cool thanks!
[01:53] <paultag> _schism_: np
[01:54] <paultag> gconf is like the registry for Windows
[01:54] <paultag> but, you know, without the suck
[01:54] <paultag> OK lovebirds. I need to head downtown to get drunk.
[01:54] <paultag> _schism_: stop by anytime and ping me if you have issues. Someone is usually around if I don't get back to you
[01:55] <paultag> l8r respective sk8rs
[01:56] <_schism_> another question while my add kicks in...... if I use aptitude dist-upgrade will it upgrade me to 10.04?
[01:59] <seidos> _schism_, let me try typing it and see what it does.
[01:59] <_schism_> seidos, thank you sir. kinda afraid of brickig my lappy.....
[02:01] <seidos> _schism_, I'm not sure.  I ran it, but it didn't look like it would be a distribution upgrade on my system.
[02:03] <seidos> _schism_, but my system is kind of a hack job, and I use the term "hack" *very* loosely.
[02:03] <_schism_> seidos,  lol thanks for trying for me I do appreciate it
[02:04] <seidos> _schism_, this article says sudo apt-get dist-upgrade *should* upgrade to the next "revision"
[02:05] <seidos> _schism_, I don't blame you for not wanting to mess up your laptop.  My laptop is working now and I'm hesitant to mess with it.
[02:05] <_schism_> seidos, I saw that but when I tried it on a 9.04 system it appeared to stay at 9.04 oh well I'll try it myself when I figgure this server out I guess
[02:07] <seidos> _schism_, well, if it's any help, every time I upgraded before I did it through update manager.  good luck on your server.
[02:07] <_schism_> seidos, thank you. I am gonna play with it and give it a shot. if no love then no love
[02:28] <_schism_> seidos, ummm do you have 2 seconds by any chance?
[02:29] <_schism_> or anyone that wants to answer a super simple question about static ips......
[02:29]  * slidinghorn is no genius but will try :)
[02:30] <_schism_> slidinghorn, thank you sir. I am following this guide http://www.ubuntugeek.com/change-ubuntu-system-from-dhcp-to-a-static-ip-address.html  but the first line on my config file says   iface lo inet loopback
[02:30] <_schism_> is that bad?
[02:32] <slidinghorn> are you setting this machine up as a router?
[02:32] <_schism_> slidinghorn, nope just as a server
[02:33] <slidinghorn> is there an auto eth0 anywhere?
[02:33] <_schism_> whole file says.......
[02:33] <_schism_> auto lo
[02:33] <_schism_> iface lo inet loopback
[02:34] <slidinghorn> looks like the machine doesn't detect an ethernet device =\
[02:34] <slidinghorn> could you pastebin your lspci
[02:34] <_schism_> which is odd because I am ssh into it from my laptop.....
[02:34] <_schism_> sure
[02:36] <_schism_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/469119/
[02:38] <slidinghorn> hrm..it's listed
[02:39] <slidinghorn> have you been through: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/network-configuration.html
[02:39] <_schism_> not yet but I am now.
[02:41] <_schism_> yeah looking at it and it makes no sense to me. <sigh> being stupid sucks
[02:44] <seidos> _schism_, I know.  try not to get discouraged, because being stupid && discourage sucks worse than just being stupid.  :/
[02:44] <_schism_> seidos, nah I'll plug along just please forgive stupid questions..........
[02:45] <seidos> _schism_, I'm not even in a position to ask for forgiveness from...trust me.
[02:45] <_schism_> lol
[02:56] <harrison> hello
[02:57] <_schism_> evening
[02:57] <harrison> Whats up for discution tonight?
[02:57] <Darkness_Des> I recently installed foxiFrame Basic (to maximize my usable screen space) in Firefox and put my Window controls on the address bar. It works great, but I can't keep the Window maximized when I reopen it. The white squares are rather annoying. Does anybody know how to make it save my preferences?
[02:58] <_schism_> harrison,  well if you can fix this i woul love you   https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16464
[02:58] <ubot2`> bugzilla.kernel.org bug 16464 in PCI "PCI card seen but no drivers available" [Normal,New]
[02:59] <harrison> Schism I am not a driver guy so sorry I can't help on that. anything else?
[03:14] <harrison> anyone here know anything about irssi?
[03:14] <slidinghorn> a little
[03:15] <harrison> Okay, How do I diconect from a session?
[03:16] <slidinghorn> have you tried /disconnect ?
[03:16] <slidinghorn> will only disconnect from the server that has focus
[03:16] <harrison> didn't see that in /help but if you don't mind I might try that and come back.
[03:19] <harrison> okay that didn't work.
[03:20] <harrison> I had to quit and start irssi again.
[03:20] <slidinghorn> hrm...have you checked out this page yet?  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Irssi
[03:21] <harrison> Now that I see that link I *slap head* should have gone there first.
[03:36] <harrison> Heres a question: what system setups do people have who use ubuntu? Mine: P4 1.8GHz, 736 MB ram, 80 GB HDD, other goodies.
[03:37] <harrison> *here's
[03:39] <IdleOne> harrison: http://paste.ubuntu.com/469130/ my sys info
[03:45] <__schism__> woohoo figgured out the garble garble static ip thingie. even if it crashed my router.....
[03:46] <_schism_> and my clients.... odd
[05:43] <Darkness_Des> Does anybody knows how to have multiple video chats open at once in Skype where everybody can see and hear eachother?
[05:44] <RealEyes> hey guys... I was wondering how i can enable file transfers on my yahoo messenger through the 'chat' app?
[05:44] <RealEyes> someone is trying to send me something and it just says he is cancelling it
[05:45] <Darkness_Des> Empathy doesn't have that kind of ability.
[05:45] <RealEyes> Which one does?
[05:47] <Darkness_Des> Go to http://web.im in firefox.
[05:48] <Darkness_Des> That's the Yahoo messenger.
[05:49] <seidos> it is kind of silly that we can't send files to one another anymore
[05:49] <seidos> but everyone is behind a NAT these days
[05:53] <seidos> I mean, directly, without hosting it on a server
[06:08] <brandon> hello
[06:09] <brandon> Hey all, I'm new to Ubuntu. I have Ubuntu 10.04 on my desktop and Win Vista on a laptop. Trying to print from Windows Vista laptop to printer connected to Ubuntu desktop. The Vista laptop found the printer but when I try to print to it, I'm getting Communication error. Please help
[06:11] <nUboon2Age> i need to stop and restart whatever programs are controlling power on my Lucid notebook.  Due to bug 605290
[06:11] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 605290 in gnome-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Unplug, replug AC on laptop, screen pulses, battery discharges, indicator not reliable, power statistics and preferences screens unavailable (affects: 1) (heat: 377)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/605290
[06:14] <nUboon2Age> brandon:  i don't know much about printing, but let me ask a few questions:  Can you print okay from your Ubuntu machine?
[06:16] <nUboon2Age> And if so, what did you do to configure Ubuntu?
[06:17] <nUboon2Age> oops brandon is gone...
[06:18] <nUboon2Age> well i need help with my power.  Basically i need a workaround for this bug
[06:21] <nUboon2Age> Does anyone know if there is a way to stop and restart gnome-power-manager and if that would do the job?  This bug is driving me nuts.
[06:26] <nUboon2Age> kermiac: geirha geirha seidos , tenach, anyone?
[06:27] <seidos> hey nUboon2Age
[06:27] <seidos> gnome-power-manager.  blech.  What bug are you having?  Is it not warning you that your battery is low?
[06:27] <seidos> you can kill the gnome-power-manager process, then run it in a terminal, I think
[06:27] <seidos> or run it again using alt-f2
[06:30] <seidos> nUboon2Age, are you there?
[06:30] <kermiac> nUboon2Age: hmmm.... is it gpm that is failing, or just indicator-applet failing to update?
[06:31] <nUboon2Age> seidos: its bug 605290
[06:31] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 605290 in gnome-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Unplug, replug AC on laptop, screen pulses, battery discharges, indicator not reliable, power statistics and preferences screens unavailable (affects: 1) (heat: 377)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/605290
[06:31] <seidos> nUboon2Age, and what kind of laptop are you on?
[06:31] <nUboon2Age> Dell inspiron 2200
[06:31] <seidos> what kernel version?
[06:32] <nUboon2Age> kermiac: i'm plugged, in but it thinks i'm not and its discharging
[06:33] <nUboon2Age> uname -v
[06:33] <nUboon2Age> #36-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jun 3 22:02:19 UTC 2010
[06:33] <nUboon2Age> uname -a
[06:33] <nUboon2Age> Linux glorious-u 2.6.32-22-generic #36-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jun 3 22:02:19 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[06:34] <seidos> that's a weird bug
[06:35] <seidos> it's different than what I had with my laptop
[06:35] <nUboon2Age> right now the bug doesn't even require me to unplug/replug -- it seems like just jostling will do it now :(
[06:35] <seidos> I never got it fixed, but it came a moot point since my battery stopped working after it drained completely too many times
[06:36] <seidos> s/came/became
[06:36] <seidos> I can't give you a silver bullet
[06:36] <seidos> I can only tell you what I would try.
[06:36] <seidos> First, I don't think the problem is gnome-power-manager
[06:36] <nUboon2Age> undoubtedly there's some hardware thing going on too, but ubuntu is not handling it well
[06:36] <nUboon2Age> seidos: go on...
[06:36] <seidos> sorry, gf is talking to me
[06:37] <seidos> yeah, so
[06:37] <seidos> uhhh, where was I.  Oh yeah
[06:37] <seidos> you could kill gnome-power-manager
[06:37] <seidos> *but*, you would need a way to know when your battery is low
[06:37] <seidos> I have a perl script that *should* work, if you want to go that route
[06:38] <seidos> and without gpm it won't lock your computer
[06:38] <nUboon2Age> thing is i can reboot, but who wants to do that
[06:38] <seidos> oh, rebooting "fixes" it?
[06:38] <seidos> is that what you were saying?
[06:38]  * seidos scratches his head
[06:38] <nUboon2Age> yes, temporarily, till next time
[06:38] <seidos> and there is nothing that seems to be causing it, even jiggling the power cord, huh?
[06:39] <seidos> sorry, the filter on my brain to the keyboard was broken
[06:39] <seidos> I meant that jiggling the power cord appears to cause it, right?
[06:39] <nUboon2Age> i think it might be jiggling the power cord, but ubuntu isn't recovering when the ac is plugged in again
[06:39] <kermiac> nUboon2Age: that sure is a strange bug. are you sure it's not hardware related?
[06:40] <RealEyes> Can you play SimCity2000 on Ubuntu?
[06:40] <seidos> nUboon2Age, well, only way to know that is to use a different OS, and only way to confirm that is to dual boot.  Windows and OS X don't have a live cd
[06:40] <nUboon2Age> kermiac: yes, i think it is hardware related somewhat, but Ubuntu isn't handling it right.  even w/ no other change if i reboot it will 'fix' it.
[06:40] <seidos> nUboon2Age, what you *can* try is using a different kernel.
[06:41] <seidos> nUboon2Age, kermiac, "that" == hardware problem
[06:41] <seidos> RealEyes, you could try using wine to play it.  I don't know.
[06:42] <nUboon2Age> RealEyes: i know there are some earliest versions of simcity that were released to public domain (renamed)
[06:42] <nUboon2Age> RealEyes: but to do SC2K, you'd probably need to try wine as seidos says
[06:43] <seidos> nUboon2Age, yeah or if you just want to get your strategy game kicks you could just play battle for wesnoth,  It's in the repositories.
[06:43] <seidos> oops!  ^^ RealEyes
[06:43] <nUboon2Age> seidos: kermiac: with no physical movement, jostling or anything if i reboot it will fix it.  That's why i know its not completely hardware
[06:44] <seidos> nUboon2Age, oh, so kill gpm, then wiggle the power cord.  see if the problem still happens.  It will confirm if it's gpm
[06:44] <RealEyes> lol
[06:44] <seidos> nUboon2Age, that's a good point.
[06:44] <kermiac> RealEyes: This site might help http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=10343&iTestingId=25471
[06:46] <kermiac> RealEyes: also this forums post - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1321397
[06:46] <kermiac> ok, time to leave work... bbl
[06:46] <nUboon2Age> RealEyes: Micropolis is old SC, renamed and open sourced:  http://www.linux.com/archive/articles/125797
[06:47] <seidos> nUboon2Age, I admire your work ethic.  +2
[06:47] <nUboon2Age> SC 300 http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/4638
[06:47] <nUboon2Age>  
[06:48] <RealEyes> nUboon2age, no it's not
[06:48] <RealEyes> Micropolis doesn't look like simcity2000
[06:48] <RealEyes> I'll just run it in win7
[06:48] <RealEyes> its no biggie
[06:51] <RealEyes> New question: is there an app better than Gwibber?
[06:52] <nUboon2Age> oops, i cut it too close and lost power.  When relogging in there was a quick message about Power Manager, but i couldn't read it cuz it was too fast
[06:53] <nUboon2Age> RealEyes: i meant to type SC 3000 for Linux http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/4638
[06:53] <seidos> nUboon2Age, what do you mean "cut it too close"?  gpm didn't tell you your battery was at a critical level?
[06:53] <RealEyes> $50?
[06:53] <RealEyes> Eff that!
[06:54] <nUboon2Age> Also i've forgotten the differences, but in addition to Micropolis there's LinCity.  They're related somehow...
[06:54] <seidos> lol, that's about what an OEM license for win 7 costs.
[06:54] <seidos> kind of makes me wonder how many lines of code sim city is
[06:54] <nUboon2Age> seidos: gpm kept flashing different amounts of time left on battery, but i didn't see what the last one was.
[06:57] <seidos> nUboon2Age, if you still have the problem, you should use some kind of program or script to warn you when your battery reaches a critical level from /proc/acpi/battery/BAT*/state.  If you drain too many times completely you will permanently reduce your battery's capacity.
[06:57] <nUboon2Age> there was another one i was playing with that focused on transport and power, not sure what the name was, but it was in the repos RealEyes.  I haven't seen anything as refined as SC2K as a free as in beer, but if your find one, let me know cuz i'm crazy about SC
[06:57] <nUboon2Age> seidos: yes this bug is killing my battery.
[06:57] <seidos> I liked playing Battle for Wesnoth.  I couldn't beat it though, on the hard level.
[06:58] <seidos> nUboon2Age, well, save your battery.  use a script until a permanent fix is found.
[06:59] <nUboon2Age> seidos: i'd love to use one if you've got something that would help.  i'm not proficient w/ scripts yet
[06:59] <seidos> nUboon2Age, I have a rather rudimentary script that I've used in the past that worked on my system.  It grabs data right out of /proc/acpi/battery/BAT*/state
[06:59] <seidos> nUboon2Age, I wouldn't say I'm proficient.  But this was something feasible to work on for me, plus I found someone with an EEE-PC that had the same problem, that wrote a script.
[07:00] <RealEyes> thx
[07:00] <nUboon2Age> seidos: initially i thought it was something w/ acpid-support and that's how i wrote the bug, but one of the triagers said they thought it was gpm and changed the package.
[07:02] <seidos> nUboon2Age, here is the perl version:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/469177/
[07:02] <seidos> well, get something to warn you when your battery is critical, then we'll work on seeing if there is a config file hack that will fix it
[07:03] <seidos> nUboon2Age, here is the python version:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/469179/
[07:04] <seidos> nUboon2Age, you can run them one of two ways.  Either do chmod +x filename, then ./filename
[07:04] <seidos> nUboon2Age, or, for type "language" filename, e.g. perl perlfile.py
[07:05] <seidos> all right, the next thing to check out is /etc/acpi-support, I think
[07:06] <seidos> whoa, this is weird
[07:06] <nUboon2Age> okay i'm getting those scripts...
[07:06] <seidos> correction, it's /etc/default/acpi-support
[07:08] <seidos> and, you can *try*, setting enable_laptop_mode = true
[07:12] <nUboon2Age> having trouble w/ firefox...
[07:13] <nUboon2Age> konqueror comes through
[07:16] <seidos> firefox should work without any problems.  Do you have a lot of tabs open?
[07:16] <nUboon2Age> no.  but i'm not going to hassle w/ that right now, just going to get these scripts set up...
[07:22] <nUboon2Age> seidos: okay that took some finaggling, but i got the scripts
[07:24] <seidos> nUboon2Age, the scripts are nothing fancy.  but I'm confident they'll get the job done.
[07:25] <nUboon2Age> seidos: the first one, does that require any particular name?
[07:25] <seidos> nUboon2Age, no.  but I titled them power-manage.plx for perl, and power-manage.py for python
[07:26] <seidos> just name it something that makes sense to you that you'll remember.  You might want to go back and look at them while you're learning perl and python :)
[07:27] <nUboon2Age> i'm starting in w/ python now, so i'm happy to have a practical lesson. :)
[07:27] <nUboon2Age> seidos: does the first one have to have a .sh or anything like that?
[07:29] <seidos> nUboon2Age, no, .sh is for shell scripts.  these are perl and python scripts.
[07:29] <nUboon2Age> oh, i see you answered already, sorry
[07:30] <RealEyes> how does one set their background to change ever so many seconds to a certain folder of pictures??
[07:31] <nUboon2Age> seidos: could you please walk me through what they do?
[07:32] <nUboon2Age> seidos: oh, here's something that might effect this.  The acpi reports the same incorrect info
[07:33] <seidos> nUboon2Age, sure, they get input from /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/state, checks the value of capacity to 2 hard coded values...
[07:33] <seidos> and if it is too low, it will warn you
[07:33] <seidos> I just realized something, you might have to change the code in the scripts to work on your system.
[07:34] <nUboon2Age> ok
[07:34] <seidos> sorry, this is first time anyone else I've come across could use them
[07:34] <seidos> run cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT1/status
[07:35] <seidos> it should tell you the status of the battery, if it doesn't, you might have to change BAT1 to BAT0
[07:35] <nUboon2Age> cat: /sys/class/power_supply/BAT1/status: No such file or directory
[07:35] <seidos> change BAT1 to BAT0
[07:36] <nUboon2Age> Charging
[07:36] <seidos> okay, change 1:  in both scripts, you need to find replace BAT1 and put BAT0
[07:36] <seidos> if you use vim, it's :s/BAT1/BAT0/g
[07:37] <seidos> that's weird, it makes me wonder how gpm does it.  Maybe it checks what output it gets first.
[07:38] <nUboon2Age> okay, i changed it in both
[07:39] <seidos> now try running one or both, see what happens.  I think that's all the changes you will need to do.  Everything else should be the same.  Oh!
[07:39] <seidos> one other thing you'll have to change
[07:39] <seidos> your critical battery mAh might be differen't than on my laptop
[07:39] <nUboon2Age> seidos: see i figured it was something at the acpi level or lower, because acpi reports incorrect info about AC
[07:40] <seidos> well, if these files are wrong, then I think it has to be the kernel
[07:40] <seidos> but in my experience, these files have been right, regardless of what bugs I've had
[07:41] <seidos> nUboon2Age, okay, so type cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/info, get "design capacity warning" and "design capacity low" values
[07:42] <seidos> well, design capacity warning is what you want.
[07:42] <nUboon2Age> design capacity warning: 450 mAh
[07:42] <nUboon2Age> design capacity low:     136 mAh
[07:42] <seidos> I have the scripts coded for 300 mAh on the warning
[07:43] <seidos> if you want it customized for your battery, you'll have to change that value
[07:43] <seidos> nUboon2Age, you should change the 300000 value to 450000 in the perl script
[07:44] <seidos> and if you want, the 200000 to 136000
[07:44] <seidos> but you might notice that the 136000 level doesn't do anything.  I couldn't get the hibernate command to work from a terminal.
[07:47] <nUboon2Age> seidos: okay changed it in both.
[07:47] <seidos> nUboon2Age, the python and perl scripts?  nice +2.
[07:48] <nUboon2Age> is this something i need to run when i think its getting low, or just run once when i start and forget about it?
[07:48] <seidos> nUboon2Age, well, now run one or both of them.  see how it works for you.  I think you'll have to run them in a terminal, unless you change their files to executable, then you can run them in alt-f2
[07:49] <seidos> nUboon2Age, well, until we figure out why your not getting the proper warnings, you should have one of them running at all times.  draining the battery all the way is bad.  It ruined my battery.
[07:52] <seidos> nUboon2Age, run the perl script, I'm trying the python script on my laptop, and it isn't working right.
[07:53] <nUboon2Age> i ran the perl script and it say 3399000
[07:53] <seidos> yeah, it prints out the battery capacity
[07:53] <nUboon2Age> now the number keeps going up. :)  like that part
[07:53] <seidos> your current capacity is 3,399 mAh
[07:54] <seidos> you're on AC now?
[07:54] <nUboon2Age> i just realized that the battery capacity part is being reported correctly, its the AC state that isn't working right.
[07:54] <nUboon2Age> yes i'm on AC now
[07:55] <nUboon2Age> and it correctly reports it right now (ie. i haven't triggered the bug yet)
[07:55] <seidos> good, the script sounds like it's working :).  If the number is going up, and you're not on AC, that would be terrible.
[07:56] <seidos> so your saying if you wiggle the ac cord, then do cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/state it won't say it's charging?
[07:57] <nUboon2Age> yes.  if i unplug right now and replug, chances are it won't correctly sense when i replug
[07:57] <seidos> I really don't understand the acpi implementation.  I'm pretty sure it's implemented in the kernel.
[07:58] <RealEyes> sh: Can't open /home/username/wallpapers/.randomwallpaper.sh
[08:01] <nUboon2Age> RealEyes: that sounds like a neat trick.  i've heard of changing it on a regular basis like every few days, but i hadn't heard of every few seconds.
[08:02] <RealEyes> im getting into it right now
[08:02] <seidos> nUboon2Age, well, only one way to find out.  If the file isn't right, then I think kernel is definitely not right.  Problem is, I'm not a kernel hacker.  So I wouldn't even know how to try and fix it.
[08:02] <RealEyes> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=80652
[08:04] <RealEyes> i think it worked
[08:04] <RealEyes> my bg changed but, idk how fast its going to change lol
[08:06] <nUboon2Age> seidos: hmmm... i think either you're right its the kernel, or just above the kernel.  but i don't know much about that yet either...
[08:06] <RealEyes> nUboon2Age, it changed my BG but, it's not working...
[08:06] <RealEyes> im getting errors in terminal
[08:06] <nUboon2Age> RealEyes: what are the errors?
[08:07] <seidos> the script doesn't run without errors, I don't know squat about bash scripts.
[08:10] <RealEyes> /home/realeyes/wallpapers/.randomwallpaper.sh: 3: Syntax error: "(" unexpected
[08:10] <seidos> ls: cannot access ~/wallpaper: No such file or directory
[08:11] <seidos> I changed the wallpaper directory in the script
[08:11] <RealEyes> sudo: /home/realeyes/wallpapers/.randomwallpaper.sh: command not found
[08:11] <seidos> maybe it needs to be ~/wallpaper/
[08:11] <nUboon2Age> RealEyes: where'd you find the .randomwallpaper.sh ?
[08:11] <RealEyes> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=49336&page=6&highlight=wallpaper
[08:12] <seidos> here are all the errors I'm getting:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/469202/
[08:12] <nUboon2Age> ooh, 2005, i wonder if that will still work
[08:13] <seidos> I'll ask in #bash
[08:19] <nUboon2Age> seidos: RealEyes it looks like that just needs to be set to wherever your wallpaper directory is
[08:20] <seidos> nUboon2Age, ha, I think you're right.  I changed the bottom line too.  Let me try my pictures folder, I don't really have wallpapers.  Just one, really
[08:21] <RealEyes> http://paste.ubuntu.com/469207/
[08:21] <RealEyes> ^ is the script i've got right now
[08:21] <RealEyes> it's not changing every 30 seconds though
[08:22] <RealEyes> the error im getting now is...
[08:22] <RealEyes> realeyes@The-Blue-Box:~$ /home/realeyes/wallpapers/.randomwallpaper
[08:22] <RealEyes> bash: /home/realeyes/wallpapers/.randomwallpaper: No such file or directory
[08:22] <seidos> where'd you get the while loop?
[08:23] <RealEyes> while loop?
[08:25] <nUboon2Age> used the search tool and found my backgrounds / wallpapers are located in several different places, but they are all listed by ubuntu-wallpapers.list in /var/lib/dpkg/info
[08:26] <RealEyes> thats good
[08:26] <RealEyes> I bet you could use that info to make the script search for them differently
[08:27] <nUboon2Age> to make that script work i think its expecting them to be in the same directory.  or i guess i could create a directory and put symlinks to all the wallpapers.
[08:28] <RealEyes> it wants to be in the same dir
[08:28] <nUboon2Age> symlinks would work i think
[08:29] <nUboon2Age> if i really knew what i was doing i'd probably just move them all to the same directory, but i'm afraid of breaking things.
[08:30] <nUboon2Age> but part of my point was RealEyes that it'd be worth using the search tool and find out where your wallpapers/backgrounds actually are.  or just open that file.
[08:30] <nUboon2Age> and then if you find a directory where most of them are, THAT's the directory you should put in the script, not the one from the example.  That one won't work for you probably
[08:31] <RealEyes> thats what ive done
[08:31] <nUboon2Age> try opening /var/lib/dpkg/info/ubuntu-papers.list and see what it says
[08:32] <RealEyes> want to see it?
[08:32] <nUboon2Age> RealEyes: yes
[08:32] <RealEyes> http://paste.ubuntu.com/469213/
[08:32] <RealEyes> this is as it stands now, im talking in #bash to find out more
[08:33] <nUboon2Age> seidos: i see RealEyes while loop too.  RealEyes, how'd you know to add that.  i didn't see it in the example you directed us to.
[08:34] <RealEyes> "Ok, I found out what I was doing wrong. I just needed to cd into the directory and /.compile.sh"
[08:34] <RealEyes> I'm getting errors on this step, now.
[08:35] <nUboon2Age> but the directory needs to be the one where your wallpapers actually are, yes?
[08:35] <RealEyes> I knew to add it because I'm talking to the guys in #bash and applying my own knowledge to the problem.
[08:35] <RealEyes> Yes, you're right about that.
[08:35] <nUboon2Age> RealEyes: ah i see
[08:36] <nUboon2Age> what does /var/lib/dpkg/info/ubuntu-papers.list say?
[08:36] <seidos> RealEyes, you came up with your while loop before you joined #bash iirc
[08:37] <RealEyes> bash: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ubuntu-papers.list: No such file or directory
[08:37] <nUboon2Age> sorry, that should have been var/lib/dpkg/info/ubuntu-wallpapers.list
[08:37] <RealEyes> seidos, idk what you guys even mean by 'loop'
[08:37] <RealEyes> bash: var/lib/dpkg/info/ubuntu-wallpapers.list: No such file or directory
[08:38] <RealEyes> 'while loop' idk what that is
[08:38] <nUboon2Age> RealEyes: the while operation will continue going around and around in the loop until the
[08:38] <seidos> RealEyes, nUboon2Age I gotta' go to bed.  If you get it working, I'll get it from you later.
[08:38] <RealEyes> I have a very loose understanding of linux and bash
[08:38] <RealEyes> seidos, night man
[08:38] <nUboon2Age> it reaches the given
[08:38] <nUboon2Age> seidos: thanks so much for the help!!!!
[08:39] <nUboon2Age> RealEyes: until it reaches the given goal.  So while (its not satisfied) loop until (end goal)
[08:40] <RealEyes> sh: Can't open /home/username/wallpapers/.randomwallpaper.sh
[08:40] <RealEyes> ohhh lol
[08:40] <RealEyes> wait
[08:40] <nUboon2Age> RealEyes: so in this case  "$lastnum" -eq "$number"
[08:41] <nUboon2Age> RealEyes: but i don't know if that means equals or what.  ask in #bash.
[08:46] <nUboon2Age> what does cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/ubuntu-wallpapers.list say?
[08:46] <nUboon2Age> RealEyes: ^^^
[08:46] <RealEyes> lists a bunch of them
[08:46] <RealEyes> want a pastebin?
[08:47] <nUboon2Age> yes please
[08:47] <RealEyes> http://paste.ubuntu.com/469217/
[08:48] <RealEyes>  RealEyes: drapes (source: drapes): a desktop wallpaper management application for the GNOME desktop. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.2-3.2 (lucid), package size 178 kB, installed size 2332 kB
[08:49] <RealEyes> nUboon2Age: sudo apt-get install drapes
[08:50] <nUboon2Age> okay RealEyes , so yours are most all in /usr/share/backgrounds/ , so a simple approach is say WALLPAPERS="/usr/share/backgrounds/"
[08:51] <RealEyes> ok, but then how do i make it run?
[08:53] <nUboon2Age> RealEyes: i don't think it has to be in that directory, but since i've got a different setup that doesn't lend itself as easily as yours to the experiment and since ihave to crash now also
[08:53] <RealEyes> yeah
[08:53] <RealEyes> im going to crash soon too
[08:53] <nUboon2Age> RealEyes: i'm at the limit of my knowledge i'll have to stop there.
[08:53] <RealEyes> I'll keep pushing it tomorrow.
[08:54] <nUboon2Age> RealEyes: to get it to run automatically one approach will be to add it to the startup programs.
[08:54] <RealEyes> i cant even get it running properly
[08:54] <RealEyes> i dont want something bad to startup lol
[08:55] <nUboon2Age> RealEyes: also ask the #bash folks where it should be located and how to invoke it.
[08:55] <nUboon2Age> RealEyes: yes, wait until you can invoke it from the command line
[08:55] <nUboon2Age> before adding it to startup programs
[08:55] <RealEyes> these guys are like ... hopeless
[08:56] <RealEyes> they let you know a little and leave you hanging
[08:56] <nUboon2Age> but with the help of the #bash ers you should be able to get the simple part working.  now that you know where your wallpapers are
[08:56] <RealEyes> lol
[08:56] <RealEyes> there is no simple part haah
[08:56] <nUboon2Age> and so know what to put in the WALLPAPERS= variable
[08:57] <geirha> files=(/usr/share/backgrounds/*.jpg) n=${#files[@]}; while sleep 30; do gconftool-2 -t string -s /desktop/gnome/background/picture_filename "${files[RANDOM%n]}"; done
[08:57] <nUboon2Age> geirha comes through. :)
[08:57] <geirha> That'll change to a random wallpaper every 30 seconds.
[08:58] <RealEyes> what???
[08:58] <RealEyes> do i need to put the '*' there?
[08:59] <nUboon2Age> geirha put the whole while loop in one line RealEyes
[08:59] <nUboon2Age> RealEyes: essentially the logic of the whole script in one line.  brilliant geirha!
[09:00] <RealEyes> can you make a pastebin of the script? lol
[09:01] <nUboon2Age> the * is the wildcard for all the .jpg files in that directory
[09:01] <geirha> RealEyes: To test it, you can just paste that whole line into an interactive shell
[09:02] <nUboon2Age> RealEyes: that IS the whole script -- all in one line.  the ';' divide each command
[09:02] <RealEyes> ...
[09:02] <RealEyes> it worked...
[09:02] <RealEyes> i dont think i made the shell -i though
[09:02] <geirha> http://pastebin.com/y2YEjZLD
[09:03] <nUboon2Age> okay g'nite all
[09:03] <geirha> Good night :)
[09:03] <RealEyes> night!
[09:03] <benson_> how'd, i have a question regarding my lubuntu 10.04.. am in the right channel to ask about lubuntu?
[09:03] <RealEyes> geirha, say I wanted to change the dir, what part would i change?
[09:04] <benson_> how'd, i have a question regarding my lubuntu 10.04.. am i in the right channel to ask about lubuntu?
[09:04] <geirha> RealEyes: You can add several globs: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/glob
[09:04] <RealEyes> benson_ plz dont flood
[09:04] <nUboon2Age> benson_: these folks can try, there is also #lubuntu
[09:04] <geirha> e.g. files=(/usr/share/backgrounds/*.jpg ~/wallpapers/*.jpg)
[09:05] <nUboon2Age> gnite
[09:05] <benson_> sorry
[09:05] <benson_> join #lubuntu
[09:06] <geirha> RealEyes: files there is an array: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide/Arrays
[09:09] <RealEyes> geirha, i cant understand that yet...
[09:09] <RealEyes> I think I'm just going to drag my BG files into that same folder lol
[09:10] <geirha> benson_: This may or may not be the right channel to ask. It depends on whether the question is regarding base ubuntu or something specific to lubuntu.
[09:10] <geirha> RealEyes: In bash4 (echo $BASH_VERSION), you can also have recursive globs
[09:10] <RealEyes> IDK what that means!
[09:10] <RealEyes> I'm a huge noob, dude.
[09:10] <RealEyes> You helped a lot, thank you, my BG is changing.
[09:10] <RealEyes> I just need to put more files into  that folder, I think...
[09:11] <geirha> shopt -s globstar
[09:11] <geirha> echo ~/**/*.jpg  # lists all jpg files in your homedir and all subdirectories
[09:11] <RealEyes> <_<
[09:12] <RealEyes> how do I put that into the script?
[09:13] <geirha> http://pastebin.com/fKduK5qn
[09:15] <RealEyes> omfg geirha you are THE shiz
[09:16] <geirha> I don't know what shiz is, but yeah, I probably am :)
[09:17] <RealEyes> ;D
[09:17] <RealEyes> ASL?
[09:21] <RealEyes> why does it stop when i close the terminal?
[09:21] <RealEyes> this is wayyy too complicated to just do something so simple
[09:21] <RealEyes> i got drapes now
[09:24] <geirha> You want it running in the background?
[09:25] <geirha> Make it executable (chmod +x thescript), then add it to startup applications (System -> Preferences -> Startup Applications)
[09:26] <RealEyes> mhm
[09:26] <RealEyes> thx for the help man, wish i could soak up more info
[09:26] <RealEyes> time to crash
[10:42] <DarkNemesis> hi
[10:46] <yax51> hi
[15:19] <cannedbubbles1> Having issues booting/installing netbook ubuntu. Tells me there is missing vmlinuz. Any suggestions?
[15:20] <paultag> whoh, niffty
[15:20] <paultag> cannedbubbles1: did you set up a seperate boot partition?
[15:22] <paultag> 14:21:16 <cannedbubbles1> By that you mean? Sorry to IM, just dont want to make  myself look all that dumb hah.
[15:22] <paultag> cannedbubbles1: NO! NO!
[15:22] <paultag> cannedbubbles1: we love question from all users!
[15:22] <cannedbubbles1> Well
[15:22] <paultag> cannedbubbles1: <3
[15:23] <paultag> cannedbubbles1: So, when you installed, how did you set up the default install? It showed two colored bars
[15:23] <paultag> cannedbubbles1: use largest free space, wipe drive advanced etc
[15:23] <cannedbubbles1> Here's all i did
[15:24] <cannedbubbles1> Followed the steps on the site to put the netbook install on a usb with the program they suggested. I'm running windows 7 atm, and am going to run ubuntu along side it. When I booted up the ubuntu install it gave me a list
[15:25] <cannedbubbles1> When I tried to do boot to hard didk or what not
[15:25] <cannedbubbles1> disk**
[15:25] <cannedbubbles1> it basically did nothing
[15:25] <cannedbubbles1> I tried running it off the usb and got missing vmlinuz
[15:26] <paultag> hehehe yup
[15:26] <paultag> cannedbubbles1: try Try Ubuntu without Installing, to use it via USB, or Install Ubuntu to install :)
[15:27] <cannedbubbles2> Well that's the thing it does nothing when i try to intsall it
[15:28] <cannedbubbles2> I hit enter and it says nor does anything
[15:34] <duanedesign> cannedbubbles2: where you using unetbootin?
[15:41] <paultag> Ach
[15:41] <paultag> he left
[15:41] <duanedesign> all three of him :(
[15:42]  * duanedesign needs to do some hacking today
[15:45] <pedro3005> duanedesign, cool, what are you doing?
[16:14] <duanedesign> pedro3005: hello
[16:14] <duanedesign> http://people.ubuntu.com/~duanedesign/clicompanion.SS.2.png
[16:15] <duanedesign> adding a tree struucture to the command list to make commands easier to find
[16:15] <pedro3005> duanedesign, oh, it's getting pretty sweet
[16:15] <duanedesign> and when you select a command and hit 'help' it shows the man page :)
[16:16] <pedro3005> awesome work duanedesign
[16:16] <duanedesign> pedro3005: thank you.
[16:17] <duanedesign> the tree structure adds a bit more complexity to the add/remove command feature
[16:17] <pedro3005> duanedesign, would you say GUI developing in Python has been tough?
[16:18] <duanedesign> pedro3005: not to bad
[16:18] <pedro3005> I see
[16:18] <pedro3005> duanedesign, what have you been using, PyGTK?
[16:18] <duanedesign> yes
[16:19] <pedro3005> Any GUI app such as Quickly or something?
[16:19] <pedro3005> I mean Glade *
[16:20] <duanedesign> pedro3005: not yet. I wanted to master it first manually
[16:20] <duanedesign> pedro3005: once i feel comftorable i will definetly use quickly/glade
[16:20] <pedro3005> duanedesign, how does it work then? Do you specify coordinates for positioning buttons and stuff?
[16:21] <duanedesign> vertical and horizontal boxes that you set width and height. You can put objects in the boxes from the top or bottom left or rifgt
[16:21] <duanedesign> right*
[16:22] <pedro3005> I see, cool
[16:22] <pedro3005> duanedesign, any particular place you've been learning it from?
[16:26] <duanedesign> http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2tutorial/index.html, Acire,  http://faq.pygtk.org/index.py?req=index
[16:26] <duanedesign> pedro3005: ^
[16:27] <pedro3005> duanedesign, thanks
[16:27] <duanedesign> pedro3005: this too, though it isnt easy to find what your looking for in it. http://library.gnome.org/devel/pygtk/stable/
[16:28] <duanedesign> pedro3005: i also noticed there is a python and gnome.library search widgets for Firefox
[16:29] <pedro3005> ah, very nice
[16:29] <pedro3005> I'll start learning it someday :P
[16:30] <duanedesign> i am not sure if this is on by default but you can click on the search widget in Firefox and select manage search engines. In there you can check 'show search suggestions' and it will tell you when you are on a page that has a search plugin available
[19:06] <sebsebseb> Hi
[19:13] <paultag> ibuclaw: I wanted to try arch
[19:13] <paultag> ibuclaw: got it starting to boot
[19:14] <paultag> ibuclaw: same kernel issue
[19:14] <paultag> w00t!!!!!!!
[19:14] <paultag> that means it's an upstream issue
[19:45] <nuboon2age_> seidos
[19:46] <nuboon2age_> seidos: i tried an older kernel, but still the same power problem
[20:49] <Mohan_chml> o/
[22:01] <harrison> hello
[22:07] <harrison> hello?
[22:07] <harrison> anyone here?
[22:09] <collinp> Yes.
[22:10] <harrison> Good
[22:10] <harrison> Was there anything being discused before I posted?
[22:11] <IdleOne> nope
[22:12] <harrison> Will there be any questions?
[22:12] <IdleOne> Depends if anybody needs answers
[22:12] <harrison> sounds good.
[22:15] <nhandler> Hmm...What is the environment variable that controls what language a CLI app uses?
[22:16] <harrison> I don't know.
[22:16] <harrison> Example?
[22:17] <nhandler> harrison: An example of what?
[22:17] <harrison> which CLI app?
[22:17] <nhandler> harrison: Any. It works for all CLI apps properly setup for translations
[22:18] <IdleOne> not sure I understand correctly but don't apps get the language from locale
[22:18] <harrison> Now I understand, I thought Language ment Python or C, but it means english or french, etc.
[22:28] <nhandler> IdleOne: Yeah, but iirc, there is an environment variable that ultimately gets set and controls the language.
[22:28] <IdleOne> nhandler: that is above my head, wish I could help more
[22:28] <IdleOne> I would suggest #ubuntu-server
[22:29] <nhandler> IdleOne: No problem. I'm trying to finally get my head around translations to try and get ClassBot translated, but I can't test them to see if they are working
[22:29] <nhandler> IdleOne: Not really a server topic. But I know a few people who will probably know
[22:30] <IdleOne> perhaps ask the translation team
[22:49] <nhandler> Well, it looks like I was right when I was trying to use LANG, but my translations weren't working