[00:19] <cjohnston> doctormo: i updated to the new version. ;-)
[00:43] <doctormo> pleia2: Ah actually can we get imagemagik installed on the server?
[00:56] <cjohnston> doctormo: you need a maverick repo ;-)
[00:56] <doctormo> cjohnston: Nah, not yet :-D
[00:56] <cjohnston> but im on maverick :-P
[00:57] <cjohnston> I'm hoping I can get GC working on my desktop again.. will make what I'm wanting to work on much easier
[01:06] <doctormo> cjohnston: Let me just package it up, you are my gc saint after all, if you need it on maverik then it goes on maverik
[01:07] <cjohnston> lol
[01:07] <cjohnston> I'm running it off the lucid ppa just fine. ;-)
[01:08] <doctormo> cjohnston: too late, I've submitted a mav' ppa item.
[01:08] <cjohnston> lol
[01:08] <cjohnston> ;-)
[01:08] <cjohnston> your the best
[01:10] <doctormo> cjohnston: So does it work? did you login ok?
[01:10] <cjohnston> yup
[01:11] <cjohnston> yay!
[01:11]  * cjohnston loves gc
[01:11]  * cjohnston is creating a bug.. then will fix bug, upload fix, request merge! hehe
[01:52] <highvoltage> popey: pingey
[02:30] <doctormo> pleia2: ping
[02:57] <pleia2> doctormo: done re: imagemagick
[02:57] <doctormo> pleia2: Ah I was just sending you an email, thanks!
[02:57] <pleia2> sure thing
[03:06] <doctormo> pleia2: Right off to bed for me!
[03:07] <pleia2> night :) talk to you tomorrow
[07:07] <dholbach> good morning
[07:07] <kim0> Morning dholbach
[07:07] <dholbach> hey kim0
[07:08] <dholbach> how are you doing? did you get home alright?
[07:08] <kim0> Yeah all fine .. back to the shinny Sun :)
[07:25] <dpm> good morning everyone!
[07:25] <dholbach> hey dpm
[07:25] <dholbach> how are you doing?
[07:26] <dpm> morning dholbach, fine thanks, did you get home allright?
[07:27] <dholbach> yep, all good, now I'm just drowning in emails and even more work items
[07:27] <dpm> :/
[07:28] <dholbach> I'll survive though :)
[07:28] <dholbach> and managed to go for a run this morning :)
[07:29] <dpm> \o/
[07:30] <dpm> good morning kim0, how are you doing after meeting so many crazy people at the sprint? :)
[07:31] <dholbach> dpm: therapy - it's the only way
[07:31] <dpm> hahaha
[07:31] <kim0> dpm: hehehe :) still surviving :D
[07:31] <dpm> good to hear :)
[07:31] <kim0> very cool seeing you guys
[07:31] <kim0> a good team is a crazy one
[07:31] <kim0> :)
[07:31] <dpm> same here!
[07:32] <kim0> Is Jono flying back to US
[07:33] <dholbach> kim0: I think he goes to GUADEC first
[07:33] <kim0> ah ok
[07:34] <dholbach> even I'm glad to be back home again, I enjoyed the time with you there too :)
[07:42] <sense> good morning from the Haagse Hogeschool!
[07:42] <dpm> good morning sense :)
[07:43] <sense> dpm: Spanish invasion in The Hague!
[07:43] <sense> Almost the whole of Igalia is coming, I've heard.
[07:43] <dpm> sense, so I've heard as well - pedro told me :)
[07:54] <nigelb> afternoon folks!
[07:55] <dholbach> hey nigelb
[07:55] <nigelb> dholbach: call in 7 hours from now is fine? :)
[07:55] <dholbach> nigelb: when do you have time for a call today?
[07:56] <dholbach> nigelb: yes
[07:56] <dholbach> nigelb: because now I'll need to head out - more fun with the dentist :)
[07:56] <nigelb> ok, then 7:30 IST it is :)
[07:56] <dholbach> see you later
[07:56] <nigelb> oh right, torture room again.
[07:56] <dholbach> nigelb: whatever that is in UTC :)
[07:59] <jcastro> good morning!
[07:59] <dholbach> hey jcastro
[08:03] <jcastro> sense: I'll get there tomorrow
[08:03] <sense> jcastro: Hey! OK, great.
[08:04] <sense> jcastro: Still in Prague?
[08:04] <jcastro> yeah
[08:04] <jcastro> avoiding getting checked out of the hotel a day early!
[08:05] <sense> Fun city.
[08:07] <sense> jcastro: It's getting more and more dark in The Hague. It's summer, dammit!
[08:07] <sense> supposed to be, at least.
[08:07] <jcastro> heh
[08:16] <dpm> hey morning jcastro
[08:17] <czajkowski> Aloha
[08:17] <dpm> morning czajkowski :)
[08:17] <czajkowski> ohh yer all back :) life in the channel in the morning again
[08:17] <czajkowski> dpm: dholbach jcastro morning :)
[08:18] <dpm> hey czajkowski, how's things? :)
[08:18] <czajkowski> grand :) thanks
[08:20] <jcastro> heh, not really back yet
[08:21] <czajkowski> jcastro: morning what you at?
[08:21] <jcastro> czajkowski: I am in prague
[08:21] <czajkowski> sprinting still ?
[08:22] <jcastro> no, just working here until guadec
[08:22] <czajkowski> ahhh ok makes sense really
[08:22] <jcastro> nod
[08:25] <jcastro> woo, I see we got the stackexchange goal
[08:27] <czajkowski> whoo
[08:31] <sense> Rick Spencer, Sebastien, and Jono just arrived at the building.
[08:31] <czajkowski> sense: have a fun week at GUADEC
[08:32] <jcastro> sense: how is the internet?
[08:33] <sense> jcastro: Still good, but then again it is not so busy yet. :)
[08:33] <sense> Pretty fast.
[08:36] <popey> highvoltage: pong
[09:01] <dpm> morning jono
[09:03] <jono> hey dpm
[09:22] <dholbach> hey czajkowski
[09:25] <jcastro> hi jono
[09:26] <jono> hey jcastro
[09:26] <jcastro> jono: when you get to the hotel can you ask about the signs, etc.
[09:26] <jcastro> jono: they should be addressed to both of us
[09:26] <jcastro> just need to confirm that they're there.
[09:26] <jono> jcastro, will do
[09:26] <czajkowski> jono: elllo, that was the longest lunch ever :p I poked you last week
[09:27] <jcastro> czajkowski: he's really let himself go
[09:28] <czajkowski> :)
[09:29] <sense> jcastro: Do you know of any people staying in IBIS Hotel Scheveningen? Yesterday morning it was evacuated because of smoke in the lobby  with an unknown cause. I think it is operational again, but there could be some problems there.
[09:29] <jcastro> I am not sure
[09:29] <jono> czajkowski, let's try and talk to today
[09:29] <jono> although I am at a conference
[09:30] <jcastro> sense: the canonical people should be at the Hotel Mecure
[09:30] <sense> With the network still building up on strenght!
[09:31] <sense> jcastro: Mercure, is that the one next to Café Dudok? That's right in front of Parliament. Interesting place these days with government formations going on for almost two months now and recent developments.
[09:31] <jcastro> I am not sure where it is in relation to other things
[09:31] <sense> Cafe Dudok is the cafe where all the Dutch politicians go.
[09:32] <czajkowski> jono: tis just an email I need an answer on.
[09:33] <jcastro> jono: he's finished off ibus now, that's it for those, getting him spun up on notify-osd now
[09:34] <jono> czajkowski, no worries, I will respond today - my inbox is a mess
[09:34] <jono> jcastro, awesome
[09:35] <czajkowski> jono: that's all I need it's just re an action item
[10:52] <popey> Morning The Community!
[10:57] <nigelb> morning "the popey" ;)
[10:57] <nigelb> I see that you're using your new iphone well :D
[10:57] <dpm> hey popey :)
[10:58] <popey> ya
[10:58] <nigelb> the photos were very clear btw
[10:58] <nigelb> awesome cam :)
[10:59] <popey> yes, exactly as good as the camera I had on my Nokia N82 about 3 years ago :)
[11:32] <jcastro> <----- lunching
[11:38] <doctormo> Hey jcastro
[13:49]  * dholbach hugs dpm
[13:49]  * dpm hugs dholbach :)
[13:53] <jcastro> hey dholbach
[13:53] <dholbach> hey jcastro
[13:53] <jcastro> 2 things
[13:54] <jcastro> I find the js link on holba.ch, but how do I get the stats for cleansweep?
[13:54] <jcastro> also, for my debian presentation I could use a screenshot from evolution opportunities
[13:54] <dholbach> http://daniel.holba.ch/review/report
[13:54] <jcastro> do you happen to have a working local harvest?
[13:54] <dholbach> yes, hang on
[13:59] <jcastro> dholbach: just a screenshot of evolution opportunities would work!
[14:00] <dholbach> jcastro: working on it
[14:00] <dholbach> jcastro: I'm updating the local database - will take a bit
[14:00] <jcastro> no worries
[14:01] <jcastro> my slides are coming  out pretty great!
[14:01] <paultag> Gah! Slides!
[14:01] <paultag> I was going to do a Beamer theme for user days, and I keep forgetting to do it
[14:02] <jcastro> heh
[14:04] <dholbach> jcastro: http://people.canonical.com/~dholbach/harvest.png
[14:05] <jcastro> thank you!
[14:06] <dholbach> de rien
[14:18] <doctormo> jcastro: Can we see your slides?
[14:19] <jcastro> I am not done
[14:22] <doctormo> jcastro: The design? Just curious because I noticed a couple of different people working on slide designs at UDS with the new branding.
[14:22] <jcastro> is that not public?
[14:30] <AlanBell> most of the new branding is public
[14:30] <dholbach> jcastro: I think most folks just came up with their own slide template
[14:30] <dholbach> and no "official slide template" was released publicly
[14:30] <dholbach> but I might be wrong
[14:30] <AlanBell> I made this one http://spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org/en/material/presentation/6-slide-presentation-template
[14:31] <dholbach> might be worth adding them all to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Presentations
[14:34] <czajkowski> I used dholbach slide theme as I like orange :) http://cypher.skynet.ie/Leeds/
[14:44] <dpm> yeah, I did my own one at http://people.ubuntu.com/~dpm/Presentations/UOW-Ubuntu-Translations.pdf, that's where the orange one comes from :)
[15:00] <nigelb> dholbach: give me 5 mins for call
[15:00] <dholbach> nigelb: sure sure
[15:00] <dholbach> maybe 10 :)
[15:01] <nigelb> dholbach: may be.  triaging mic not working.
[15:03] <dholbach> I need at least 10, so take it easy :)
[15:03] <dholbach> just sorting out a few things I promised to do
[15:03] <nigelb> dholbach: oh no! then its going to take *days*!
[15:06] <dholbach> no no :)
[15:12] <dholbach> nigelb: doing a test call now
[15:12] <nigelb> dholbach: same here!
[15:12] <paultag> JFo: I feel that I have to whine at you :)
[15:13] <JFo> uh oh
[15:13] <paultag> JFo: I'm having all sorts of kernel issues
[15:13] <JFo> I saw some of your chat in the #u-k channel
[15:13] <paultag> JFo: .. and they are all regressions :(
[15:13] <JFo> let me read back a bit and we can chat
[15:13] <paultag> yeah, I'm still trying to isolate
[15:13] <JFo> k
[15:27] <paultag> JFo: OK, Here's what I've been able to work out.
[15:27] <JFo> ok
[15:29] <paultag> JFo: I'm starting to think it's hardware. Issue was not present before I played with it two days ago. Issue first poped up on an install of the latest ISO of Kubuntu 10.04. I tried Xubuntu, same issue. I just made a SD card with the 10.04 official CD image on it, same issue present now.
[15:30] <JFo> interesting. what hardware are you thinking?
[15:30] <paultag> JFo: M kernel has more of a chance of botting, but issue is still present. Old kernel is almost 90% failure rate
[15:30] <JFo> i see
[15:30] <paultag> JFo: I'm not sure. When I go single user it always fails on Broadcom, but this is going on before I have the b43 module in place
[15:30] <paultag> JFo: I also think it's a race condition ( random boot / non boot , but that's just opinoin
[15:31] <paultag> opinion *
[15:31] <paultag> I'm going to try Debian and their kernel to see if I can reproduce it. If I can, I'm going to have to get this netbook repaired... after 2 months.
[15:34] <JFo> ok, I'm going to see if i have any similar issues reported
[15:34] <JFo> I think it is odd that it is failing as you describe
[15:34] <JFo> but it seems oddly familiar
[15:38] <paultag> JFo: it's really unsettling me. It's really really odd that it would pop up as I did a re-install.
[15:38] <JFo> yeah, that seems very odd
[15:39] <paultag> Well the only thing that I did differently is use an SD card, but once it's loaded, it should be loaded, right?
[15:43] <paultag> Trying with a USB key now.
[15:51] <nigelb> doctormo: poke?
[15:53] <doctormo> nigelb: re-poke-facebook-kapow
[15:53] <nigelb> heh
[15:56] <paultag> JFo: still present off USB key.
[15:57] <paultag> JFo: I think it might be hardware. What do you think?
[15:57] <JFo> I tend to agree
[15:57] <JFo> what kind of manipulation did you put it through paultag? :-0
[15:57] <czajkowski> think I'm gonna upgrade to Maverick this week, this machine on lucid just is rather buggy and there is no reason for it
[15:58] <paultag> JFo: Jesus, I have no idea. wow, and just out of the blue it's booting now, after 5 hangs. Something bad went on. I'm just going to have to wipe the drive and send it into HP, I think.
[15:58] <JFo> interesting
[15:59] <JFo> it figures it would give you one good boot
[15:59] <JFo> out of about 20
[15:59] <czajkowski> paultag: oh I've the same bug!
[15:59] <czajkowski> JFo: I've the same bug on this machine - lucid
[15:59] <JFo> hmmm
[15:59] <czajkowski> sometimes can take 5 boot ups to get my mahine to actually get past grub
[15:59] <paultag> wait, really czajkowski ?
[16:00] <czajkowski> yup not every day but at least every 3rd day my machine will not boot up on 1st go
[16:00] <paultag> czajkowski: what type of computer?
[16:00] <czajkowski> and every time I go to recreate the isue to log a bug I can't
[16:00] <czajkowski> toshbia
[16:00]  * nigelb says a prayer for JFo 
[16:00] <paultag> czajkowski: Can you dump lspci, and see if we have any hardware in common?
[16:00] <JFo> heh, thanks nigelb
[16:00] <czajkowski> can do
[16:00] <paultag> czajkowski: thanks :)
[16:00] <czajkowski> nigelb: oi that's rude!
[16:01] <JFo> actually, I think I know what it is
[16:01] <JFo> or rather remember
[16:01]  * paultag perks up
[16:01] <nigelb> czajkowski: kernel regression.  Not rude. :)
[16:01] <JFo> we have a race condition for the framebuffers with plymouth
[16:01] <JFo> where the kernel is punting the fb before plymouth is done
[16:01] <paultag> JFo: I was able to have this happen for single user boot and I also changed boot params to boot without splash
[16:01] <czajkowski> paultag: http://paste.ubuntu.com/469375/
[16:02] <JFo> paultag, did it behave better without splash?
[16:02] <paultag> czajkowski: we've got the same gfx card, I think
[16:02] <paultag> JFo: no, same error
[16:02] <JFo> interesting
[16:02] <paultag> sec, let me dump my lspci
[16:02] <JFo> may not be the same thing, but could still be affected
[16:02] <JFo> k
[16:02] <czajkowski> paultag: when it evtually boots up, sometimes I then either have a duplicate sound volume or my pwer off button is gone or more annoying it refuses to see my wireless driver http://pix.ie/czajkowski/1778021/size/800
[16:03] <JFo> now that is odd
[16:03] <paultag> Whoh
[16:03] <paultag> czajkowski: b43 ?
[16:03] <czajkowski> paultag: b43?
[16:03] <paultag> czajkowski: it's not in your lspci
[16:03] <paultag> czajkowski: what's the wifi card on it?
[16:03] <nigelb> czajkowski: oooh.  I have the double power button on my work computer at times!
[16:04] <nigelb> I generally ignore and get on with it.
[16:04] <czajkowski> nigelb: power button would be better than me menu twice
[16:04] <vish> dholbach: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/design-m-papercuts , jcastro has a todo there ;)
[16:04] <nigelb> czajkowski: wait, me menu.  sorry
[16:04] <czajkowski> Realtek  wireless card
[16:04] <paultag> http://pastebin.com/TJGAPmVv <-- my lspci on the netbook
[16:04] <nigelb> it hides the power button
[16:04] <czajkowski> nigelb: more annoying is the wireless as I've to reboot it as it wil not pick it up
[16:05] <JFo> both have DRM iirc, so they could be still affected by the fb issue
[16:05] <nigelb> I dont have wireless on that system.  Just wired.
[16:05] <paultag> OK, czajkowski, JFo, We both have the same graphics card
[16:05] <JFo> I see
[16:05] <paultag> and that's it
[16:05] <JFo> that probably means you are hitting this
[16:05] <paultag> I think so too
[16:05]  * nigelb ewwwws at paultag's wifi
[16:06] <paultag> nigelb: dude, tell me about it...
[16:06] <paultag> nigelb: I can't even take my own advice...
[16:06] <nigelb> Broadcom is evil!
[16:06] <paultag> nigelb: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1962 <-- #9
[16:06] <JFo> e-vil? :)
[16:07] <JFo> brb
[16:07] <jcastro> vish: I've brought it up already, it'll be in the announcement (mentioning papercuts)
[16:07] <jcastro> same with cleansweep
[16:07] <vish> jcastro: sweeeeet! :)
[16:09] <nigelb> paultag: hahaha
[16:09] <paultag> nigelb: figures. :P
[16:09] <nigelb> vish: how did you manage to be at uds with no action item :o
[16:09]  * nigelb wasn't even there and has a truckload
[16:10] <vish> nigelb: haha , finished any? ;)
[16:10] <nigelb> if you have a secret I'd like to know! :D
[16:10] <vish> nigelb: just kidding ;p
[16:10] <nigelb> finished a few.  working on others
[16:10] <vish> nigelb: see the bluepront above ^
[16:10] <nigelb> oh crap
[16:10] <nigelb> oh yeah, I just took that action item ;)
[16:11] <vish> nigelb: also , i can trade your items for running papercuts instead ;)
[16:12] <vish> nigelb: getting to be too much :(
[16:12] <nigelb> vish: do you really want to do acessibility, ngo, reviews team, and bug jam stuff all at once?
[16:12] <nigelb> accessibility one is a big job which needs to be done in stages
[16:12] <vish> nigelb: sure :)
[16:12] <nigelb> I got through like phase I.  Phase II has been delayed for some time now :(
[16:14] <vish> nigelb: if you think trying to get someone to do a session is tough , try getting someone to fix a bug :)
[16:14] <vish> nigelb: sometimes , feels easier to dive into the code myself ;p
[16:14] <nigelb> vish: wait, you haven't?
[16:14] <nigelb> I know how its like.  Even getting it packaged is a pain.
[16:15] <nigelb> vish: oh, may be you should conduct interviews with all members of the hall of fame
[16:17] <nigelb> wow, http://ubuntutam.wordpress.com/kovai-senthamizh-manadu/
[16:17] <nigelb> vish: ^ you should go for things like these :D
[16:18] <vish> nigelb: heh , i'v been trying you to get a bug fixed with no luck :(
[16:18] <nigelb> vish: cheese?
[16:18] <vish> nigelb: cheese , papercut any ;)
[16:18] <nigelb> vish: Don't tell anyone, but I'm not great at code per se.
[16:18] <vish> nigelb: you wanted to fix the lernid one .. and faded away ;p
[16:18] <nigelb> :D
[16:19] <doctormo> nigelb: Where did you go?
[16:19] <nigelb> Lernid is like dead :(
[16:19] <nigelb> doctormo: see PM?
[16:19] <nigelb> I didn't see any response
[16:19] <doctormo> nigelb: I responded
[16:19] <nigelb> vish: no commits since march :(
[16:19] <doctormo> nigelb: What would you like reviewed?
[16:19] <nigelb> doctormo: err, to me?
[16:19] <nigelb> I don't see any response
[16:19] <doctormo> I responded to you, yes
[16:20]  * nigelb kicks irssi
[16:23] <doctormo> nigelb: OK I responded again, I take it your not getting anything?
[16:23] <doctormo> I wonder if I've been logged off.
[16:24] <doctormo> akgraner: what's the irc server for logging on?
[16:24] <nigelb> doctormo: nothing
[16:24] <nigelb> doctormo: are you identified to network?
[16:24] <doctormo> nigelb: Do I have my whois cloak?
[16:25] <nigelb> doctormo: no
[16:25] <nigelb> that explains that.
[16:25] <nigelb> I've set the user mode that blocks PM from unidentified users
[16:28] <doctormo> Bah, I blame Empathy
[16:28] <doctormo> It's a rubbish IRC client.
[16:29] <paultag> Well, back to square zero czajkowski, JFo
[16:29] <paultag> apw says it's most likely not a race condition for the graphics card
[16:29] <paultag> czajkowski: how long does it take to fail, for you?
[16:30] <czajkowski> paultag: ever have issues with your wifi driver loading ?
[16:30] <paultag> czajkowski: no, but we have different wifi cards
[16:31] <czajkowski> paultag: when you are booting up, where does it stop and hang
[16:31] <paultag> czajkowski: as soon as it gets passed to GRUB
[16:32] <jcastro> <- EOD
[16:32] <paultag> czajkowski: I don't see text, or anything. When I go single user it hangs in the initrd
[16:32] <czajkowski> so you see - and it just sits there
[16:32] <paultag> yeah
[16:32] <sense> jono, jcastro: Don't forget about the GUADEC trip (this night to Madurodam) and if you think you'll be using public transport a lot during the conference you might also want to consider to buy a three or five day 'Conference card' at the registration desk.
[16:33] <czajkowski> paultag: so sometimes it can take3-5 times to kick it into a full boot up but then when I do that i get the issues on top and it takes one more boot up to get it all working
[16:33] <paultag> ugh, ok, we have the same issue
[16:34] <czajkowski> :(
[16:34] <czajkowski> JFo: any ideas ?
[16:34] <JFo> unfortunately no :-(
[16:35]  * paultag is downloading 9.10
[16:35] <JFo> sounds completely new to me
[16:35] <paultag> I'd like to test an old release
[16:35] <czajkowski> never happned on karmic
[16:35] <JFo> and I haven't seen anything in my quick audit yet to say I have seen it
[16:35] <sense> Also, yesterday we went to the 'British multicultural experiment' (their own words) Scallywags. A really good restaurant in the centre of The Hague, 20 euros for four coures, including a very nice soup!
[16:35] <JFo> but then I am behind in my bug mail
[16:35] <czajkowski> but lucid for me was more stable as a alpha and beta as a stable release it does my noggin in
[16:35] <paultag> +1100000 czajkowski
[16:35] <czajkowski> paultag: logged a bug ?
[16:35] <paultag> czajkowski: I was running beta2 and it was fine
[16:36] <JFo> actually, could you both log me one?
[16:36] <paultag> it's when I just a few days ago "upgraded"
[16:36] <paultag> JFo: dupes or one one report?
[16:36] <JFo> one report each please
[16:36] <JFo> that way I can comb through a bit
[16:36] <paultag> OK, sec
[16:36] <jcastro> sense: I get there around 4ish tomorrow I think?
[16:36] <czajkowski> ok
[16:36] <JFo> thanks
[16:36] <JFo> :)
[16:36] <paultag> JFo: thank you :)
[16:37] <sense> jcastro: Ah, forgot.
[16:37] <sense> jcastro:Of course for you the three day ticket is then probably the most suitable! :P
[16:38] <sense> I should stop trying to be a sales person. ;)
[16:38] <jcastro> sense: how do you recommend getting from the train station to the hotel?
[16:39] <sense> jcastro: You're in Mercure, right? What Mercure, I believe there were two.
[16:41] <jcastro> spui 180, 2511 BW
[16:41] <jcastro> whatever that means, heh
[16:42] <sense> That's the street, the number and the zip code.
[16:43] <sense> jcastro: Maybe <http://maps.google.nl/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Station+den+Haag+Centraal,+Koningin+Julianaplein+10,+2595+Den+Haag,+Zuid-Holland&daddr=Spui+180,+2511+BW+Den+Haag+(Mercure+Hotel+Den+Haag+Central)&hl=en&geocode=FbixGgMdYPlBACmJc6ibF7fFRzGSNYjSLX7CdA%3BFVefGgMdj-FBACFukKbzZPMuPCmv0k02IrfFRzEi9Cb7l-heog&mra=ls&dirflg=w&sll=52.079222,4.31929&sspn=0.003231,0.009645&ie=UTF8&ll=52.078622,4.319601&spn=0.006462,0.01929&z=16> helps.
[16:43] <sense> Otherwise, do you notice the 'Hofvijfer' in the top left corner?
[16:43] <sense> That is the pond in front of the 'Binnenhof', the location of the Senate, Parliament and the office of the prime-minister. You can probably follow the signs pointing to anything of those at first.
[16:45] <sense> jcastro: Note: the route I linked to is from Den Haag Centraal, the end point of the train from Schiphol. But the venue is right next to the other main train station: Den Haag HS.
[16:45] <sense> That is an important difference. :)
[16:45] <paultag> bug #610124 | JFo
[16:45] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 610124 in linux (Ubuntu) "Kernel locks up with no feedback on initrd passoff (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/610124
[16:45] <paultag> JFo: I'll log more as I test more
[16:45] <JFo> excellent, thanks so much paultag :)
[16:45] <paultag> JFo: thank you :)
[16:46] <jcastro> sense: looks like a short taxi ride
[16:46] <sense> jcastro: Or a walk? ;)
[16:46] <jcastro> sense: right, so I should avoid the Central one, and concentrate on HS
[16:46] <jcastro> sense: not with this suitcase, afterwards though
[16:46] <jcastro> unless I run into someone who knows better
[16:47] <sense> jcastro: European cabs are expensive. Den Haag Centraal is the end point of the train from Schiphol and you'll have to change trains anyway. Not sure how far the hotel is from HS.
[16:48] <sense> jcastro: Wait, not necessarily it has to stop at Centraal.
[16:48] <sense> jcastro: Sorry, am confusing you a bit here. When will you be ready for train transport at Schiphol?
[16:48] <czajkowski> JFo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/610126
[16:48] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 610126 in linux (Ubuntu) "Booting up lucid machine doesn't always work the first time (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[16:49] <paultag> czajkowski: I'll note they could be related
[16:49] <sense> jcastro: I think the train from Schiphol actually stops at both Den Haag Centraal en Den Haag HS. Sorry for the confusion!
[16:49] <jcastro> sense: the instructions say I can take a train to either den haag HS or den haag central
[16:50] <sense> jcastro: Den Haag HS is almost right on top of the venue, but I think it is easier to get to Mercure from Den Haag Centraal.
[16:50] <jcastro> sense: maybe the best thing would be to just stash my luggae at the venue, and then when we're finished follow my peeps back to the hotel
[16:50] <sense> jcastro: That would be possible too.
[16:50] <sense> jcastro: We'll find some space for it.
[16:50] <sense> jcastro: Although I do have to say that the people from the venue can whine a lot.
[16:53] <sense> jcastro: Walking route from Den Haag HS to Mecure: <http://maps.google.nl/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Den+Haag+HS&daddr=Spui+180,+2511+BW+Den+Haag+(Mercure+Hotel+Den+Haag+Central)&hl=en&geocode=FXCGGgMddvJBACnt39XWH7fFRzH2qrnuroB_XQ%3BFVefGgMdj-FBACFukKbzZPMuPCmv0k02IrfFRzEi9Cb7l-heog&mra=ls&dirflg=w&sll=52.078622,4.319601&sspn=0.006462,0.01929&ie=UTF8&ll=52.071699,4.327755&spn=0.025851,0.077162&z=14>. Virtually the same for the venue.
[16:55]  * czajkowski throttles sense 
[16:59] <dholbach> have a great day everybody - I'll head out for dinner now - see you tomorrow!
[16:59] <czajkowski> dholbach: bye
[17:00] <dholbach> bye czajkowski
[17:00] <dpm> see you dholbach!
[17:01] <dholbach> bye dpm
[17:02] <doctormo> woot: http://doctormo.org/2010/07/26/how-to-ask-for-translations/
[17:09] <paultag> JFo: OK, I've installed 9.04, issue is not present so far.
[17:09] <paultag> ;)
[17:09] <paultag> czajkowski: try installing 9.04 UNR and see if it helps
[17:09] <czajkowski> paultag: issue only arose in lucid
[17:09] <paultag> czajkowski: I'm doing a series of reboots to test
[17:09] <paultag> czajkowski: aye, kk
[17:09] <czajkowski> this machine has been intrepid -> jaunty -> Karmic -> Lucid
[17:09] <paultag> Hopefully this means I don't have to send in my box to HP
[17:11] <dpm> doctormo, that's awesome. If you want to lower the barrier for translations, you could put the text in an e.g. docbook file, run xml2po through it, obtain a .pot file and upload it to Launchpad. Then translators will be able to do online translations
[17:15] <doctormo> dpm: It already has a pot file, svg files are xml.
[17:16] <doctormo> svg > docbook, like fitting wheels to a tomato, time consuming and completely unnecessary.
[17:24] <vish> doctormo: hey , heard you were reviewing the review workflow.. [irony ;p]
[17:24] <doctormo> vish: I've got someone writing a script for it, yes
[17:25] <vish> doctormo: cutting down the tags too ?
[17:32] <doctormo> vish: What tags?
[17:34] <vish> doctormo: well , we have nearly 11-12tags here http://is.gd/dsy7v , and we can cut them down to just 4.  1 - forwarded [this will work for all patches debian/upstream] , and for lp project 3 > needs-work , accepted , rejected
[17:35] <vish> doctormo: we cant keep reporting back from upstream bug to lp saying"upstream rejected your patch because..." and asking the submitter to update the patch , we rather need to encourage the submitter to work with upstream directly
[17:35] <doctormo> vish: to be honest, those things need to be launchpad code changes, not tags.
[17:35] <vish> doctormo: yeah , +1
[17:59] <czajkowski> jono: ping
[18:00] <jono> hey czajkowski
[18:01] <czajkowski> time for a quick pm?
[18:03] <jono> czajkowski, sure
[18:03] <cfedde> can charitable donations be made to support ubuntu development?  where can they be made?
[18:04] <cfedde> never mind ww.
[18:45] <AlanBell> cfedde: not as such (i.e. in a tax deductable way), but you can contribute resources to your loco if you want
[19:24] <paultag> czajkowski: our issue is upstream
[20:48] <doctormo> The community channel is so boring!
[20:50]  * highvoltage hangs his head in shame
[20:51] <cjohnston> liven it up doctormo !
[20:51] <doctormo> ok, cjohnston I see you've been doing a bunch of loco website work. Nice.
[20:51] <cjohnston> ;-)
[20:51] <doctormo> pleia2: I thought you were going to comment on each page of howtoask, I was rather looking forward to the critique :-D
[20:52] <pleia2> doctormo: yeah, I thought I would too, but then I thought it would be too verbose and no one would read it
[20:52] <doctormo> Where _is_ jono this cycle, I have rarely seen him and even then he's been too buy to talk. Canonical must only be paying him for half days IMO.
[20:52] <doctormo> busy*
[20:53] <highvoltage> doctormo: now now, no need to be nasty
[20:53] <doctormo> pleia2: Maybe something you can do just for me :-) Or you could do me a much better favour and critique my Heavy Artillery scripts.
[20:54] <doctormo> highvoltage: Is that nasty? sorry, just wanted to bring up a concern about the visibility of the community/canonical liaison.
[20:55] <highvoltage> doctormo: well, it's a long standing problem. jono is indeed very busy with lots of things though. it is kind of tough when he never responds to any e-mails
[20:56] <highvoltage> doctormo: but if it's anything important then there's probably someone more appropriate to talk about it anyway
[20:57] <czajkowski> paultag: got an update on it ?
[20:57] <doctormo> highvoltage: I've had good record with email, but I think this is more of a queens dilemma. The head of state doesn't need to do anything in particular, just be there, visible.
[20:58] <highvoltage> doctormo: indeed
[21:07] <jcastro> doctormo: we've been travelling
[21:07] <jcastro>  he's at guadec
[21:18] <doctormo> jcastro: I ssssssssssssaw the photos
[21:24] <akgraner> grrrr - is anyone else having trouble with qwibber?
[21:24] <akgraner> I can't get it to even open :-(
[21:25] <paultag> czajkowski: yeah
[21:25] <paultag> czajkowski: turns out it's upstream kernel later then the 2.6.29.2* series, I was able to reproduce on Archlinux
[21:26] <czajkowski> paultag: add that to both bugs?
[21:26] <czajkowski> akgraner: nope working fine here
[21:26] <akgraner> hmmm
[21:26] <paultag> czajkowski: Added to mine, you'd have to test your hardware :)
[21:26] <paultag> czajkowski: present in archlinux 10.05
[21:26] <paultag> 2010.05 *
[21:31] <czajkowski> akgraner: back in NC
[21:31] <akgraner> yep finally
[21:31] <akgraner> OSCON rocked
[21:31] <czajkowski> and you met Noirin
[21:34] <akgraner> yeppers :-)
[21:34] <akgraner> she rocks
[21:34] <highvoltage> 'lowa czajkowski
[21:35] <czajkowski> highvoltage: aloha how's you
[21:35] <czajkowski> highvoltage: all settled into canada
[21:35] <highvoltage> mesa fina!
[21:35] <highvoltage> eek! you made me talk like jar-jar!
[21:36] <highvoltage> czajkowski: mostly! today is the first day in the last month that I feel totally relaxed (which is kind of weird for a Monday but I'm going with it)
[21:36] <highvoltage> a lot of my stuff still needs to get here and go through customs but it's non-essential so I'm not going to worry about it
[21:37] <highvoltage> czajkowski: how have you been? considered taking the emea secretary job? :)
[21:38] <czajkowski> dude you should see my inbox :)
[21:40] <highvoltage> I hear you! I'm kind of getting mine under control. I unsubscribed from about 50 mailing lists I never read yesterday
[21:40] <czajkowski> oh mine is under control I went mailing like crazy last week , poor loco  council are going to kill me one day
[21:40] <czajkowski> and this week following up on stuff
[21:41] <czajkowski> highvoltage: also popey said he'd do it in a mail
[21:41] <akgraner> czajkowski, take a look at my inbox I'll let you deal with getting it under control again :-P
[21:42] <czajkowski> inbox 0
[21:42] <czajkowski> has been since Friday :)
[21:42] <akgraner> :-P
[21:42] <pleia2> I got mine down to 2 the other week, that's *never happened*
[21:42] <pleia2> but now it's back at 75
[21:42] <pleia2> hehe
[21:43] <akgraner> hehe
[21:43] <akgraner> bbiab   - just finished my part 1 post on OSCON on Ubuntu User :-)  woo hoo
[21:50] <greg-g> pleia2: holy cow, 75? I would go insane
[21:50] <pleia2> greg-g: I wish I could say that's mailing lists too, I get a lot of email :\
[22:04] <greg-g> yuck, good luck with that, pleia2
[22:38] <doctormo> nhandler: You haven't been recieving any of my messages, have you?
[22:39] <nhandler> doctormo: What ones? the ones about bindtextdomain? If so, I've gotten them (just multitasking and reading them)
[22:40] <doctormo> Ah ok, just had some trouble before with irc
[23:37] <sense> good night everyone! :)