[07:07] <dholbach> good morning
[15:32] <dholbach> nigelb: at least I got to hear some noise from sweet India :)
[15:32] <nigelb> haha
[15:32] <dholbach> nigelb: no need to go crazy :)
[15:32] <nigelb> you heard the echo from germany :p
[15:32] <dholbach> but it was FROM India :)
[15:33] <dholbach> alright, whatever
[15:33] <nigelb> heh
[15:33] <dholbach> so there's a few things I wanted to talk about
[15:33] <nigelb> anyway, so we're way out of track
[15:33] <dholbach> 1) Ubuntu Global Jam coming up soon
[15:33] <dholbach> 2) Patch Days + Tuition Sessions
[15:33] <dholbach> 3) Interviewing current contributors about their experience with the process
[15:33] <dholbach> 4) Reaching out more generally
[15:34] <dholbach> 5) Reactivating Bobbo! :-D
[15:34] <nigelb> heh
[15:34]  * vish thinks the review process needs to be review first :(
[15:34] <vish> reviewed*
[15:34] <nigelb> why?
[15:34] <nigelb> I thought it was fine with no complaints
[15:35] <nigelb> ('cept for nitpickers like you :p)
[15:35] <vish> 1: we dont need so many tags ;p
[15:35] <dholbach> I think it's just important to hear what our new contributors have to say in any case
[15:35] <nigelb> Yes, we do.
[15:35] <vish> no.. :s
[15:35] <nigelb> how else doo you intend to keep track of the buckets?
[15:35] <dholbach> shall we go through them one by one?
[15:35] <vish> We need only 4 statuses:
[15:35] <vish> - forwarded [this will work for all patches debian/upstream]
[15:35] <vish> - needs-work  [these three are for patches which are lp projects]
[15:35] <vish> - accepted
[15:35] <vish> - rejected
[15:36] <nigelb> vish: but if a patch is marked rejected we might still goo with it
[15:36] <vish> nigelb: we cant keep baby sitting patches for ever :(
[15:36] <nigelb> for example the ayatana does a lot of stuff rejected upstream
[15:36] <vish> nigelb: rejected is for an Ubuntu task..
[15:36] <nigelb> tags are per bug reports not per task
[15:37] <vish> plus we need to do what bgo does , status of the patches , rather than tag bug reports
[15:37] <vish> me need to get that in lp :)
[15:37] <nigelb> status of patches was discussed at uds
[15:37] <nigelb> If i remember, you were there :p
[15:37] <vish> yeah , thats what i'm saying ;)
[15:37] <nigelb> jcastro had an acition item and he updated it recently.
[15:37] <nigelb> while its a good idea lp team thinks its too much of work to implement right now
[15:38] <nigelb> and they suggested that we use tags which we're already doing
[15:38] <nigelb> (this is the result of the action item)
[15:38] <vish> nigelb: why do we need patch-fowarded-upstream + -debian ? why not just patch-forwarded?  if a relevant patch needs to to upstream/debian it is evident
[15:39] <nigelb> We can have a patch forwarded to upstream and debian at the same time
[15:39] <nigelb> how do you track that?
[15:39]  * vish never saw such a bug yet :s
[15:39] <nigelb> I did.
[15:39] <dholbach> ok
[15:40] <dholbach> I feel like we should have that discussion separately :)
[15:40] <nigelb> heh
[15:40] <nigelb> I shoulda been at uds
[15:40] <dholbach> in terms of feedback I can imagine that there's a lot of other stuff coming up
[15:40] <nigelb> this would have been so much easier if we could sit down and discuss :/
[15:40] <dholbach> but we need to start reaching out to those new contributors first
[15:40] <nigelb> instead of having reports maybe we need to blog about examples
[15:41] <nigelb> like what effraim does for packaging.  that would seem interesting
[15:41] <vish> dholbach: thats the first complaint any new contrib keeps whining about , too many patches :( , thats why i brought it up :)
[15:41] <dholbach> I did a blog post like that already, anybody else wants to have a go?
[15:41]  * vish fades aways
[15:41] <nigelb> dholbach: I do.  Its my turn for reports today.  I'll do some.
[15:41] <dholbach> vish: sorry, I didn't mean to rebuff your comments
[15:41] <dholbach> vish: I think they're important, but I felt that it was part of a longer conversation
[15:42] <dholbach> and tried to go through the quicker pieces first
[15:42] <vish> cool.. :)
[15:42] <nigelb> dholbach: we need to have a patch day soon :)
[15:43] <nigelb> shall we bug pedro about it today? next thursday perhaps?
[15:43] <dholbach> pedro is at GUADEC right now
[15:43] <nigelb> ahhh.  Oh no.
[15:43] <dholbach> so maybe the thursday afterwards
[15:43] <dholbach> which would leave more time for organisation
[15:43] <nigelb> Yes.
[15:43] <dholbach> I'm happy to send him a mail about it
[15:43] <dholbach> ok
[15:44] <dholbach> regarding http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam
[15:44] <nigelb> Same system as last time, 1 person in the channel provides support for questions etc
[15:44] <dholbach> it's going to be quite a big event, happening in a month
[15:44] <dholbach> it'd be nice if we could integrate info about Cleansweep into either http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam directly or maybe http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams/Bugs
[15:44] <dholbach> do you think that makes sense?
[15:45] <nigelb> yes.  it does
[15:45] <dholbach> do you think you can have a look and see where it fits in well?
[15:45] <nigelb> I was planning on having a bug jam in our city.  May be I could organize it towards patches
[15:45] <dholbach> I'll also mention it as part of the UGJ announce
[15:45] <dholbach> sounds awesome
[15:45] <nigelb> I will. I will either fix it or talk to pedro about it first
[15:45] <dholbach> fantastic
[15:45] <dholbach> that's two discussion points off the list already :)
[15:46] <dholbach> let's talk about the actions in a few days again so we can see where we stand
[15:46] <nigelb> ok
[15:46] <nigelb> I'll go compose that blog post now
[15:46] <dholbach> how can we reach out more generally and also reach out to existing contributors about their experience with the process?
[15:46] <dholbach> shall we maybe just ask during the patch days?
[15:46] <nigelb> yeah.  good idea
[15:47] <nigelb> just 4 questions would do
[15:47] <nigelb> small enough for people to spare 5 minutes
[15:47] <dholbach> are you going to draft something up so we can ask them immediately during the event?
[15:47] <nigelb> yep, I will :)
[15:47] <dholbach> super
[15:47] <dholbach> and maybe we should think about reaching out more after those events again
[15:48] <nigelb> yeah, have a list of people who participated and poke them often
[15:48] <dholbach> I think I'll CC bobbo in all those discussion mails too
[15:48] <nigelb> yep, good idea
[15:48] <dholbach> maybe he's interested in helping out
[15:48] <nigelb> also, you could display that counter on your site
[15:48] <nigelb> and also poke and push other community folks like jono to display it
[15:49] <dholbach> I'll have a look and see
[15:49] <nigelb> torture them if you have to :D
[15:50] <dholbach> haha
[15:54] <dholbach> nigelb: sent the summary
[15:54] <dholbach> nigelb: let's re-review in a few days
[15:54] <nigelb> okay
[16:02] <vish> dholbach: there is one item jcastro was supposed to do during UGJ
[16:02]  * vish finds blueprint
[16:05] <dholbach> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-m-global-jam
[17:10] <vish> nigelb: poke..
[17:11] <nigelb> vish: ouch
[17:11] <vish> nigelb: right , so back to the reduce tags
[17:12] <vish> nigelb: is there any way , we can reduce ,them , seems a bit much .. we can make it a lot more simpler
[17:12] <nigelb> vish: I'm thinking of it now that you say it so vehemently
[17:13] <vish> we have nearly 11-12 tags , and the first thing anyone sees that list they go .. awww :s
[17:13] <nigelb> best part...
[17:13] <nigelb> we always use only 3 :/
[17:13] <vish> yeah
[17:14] <nigelb> patch-needswork, patch-forwarded-upstream
[17:14] <nigelb> well, the othe one is "patch"
[17:15] <nigelb> vish: I've asked doctormo to take a look at the process
[17:15] <vish> Nicke: i say , we combine the tags and reduce to just 4.. and we dont ask anyone to babysit the patch , we need to make the submitter  more familiar with upstrea/debian
[17:15] <vish> we cant keep reporting back , upstream says "so so.."
[17:15] <vish> err , nigelb ^
[17:16] <vish> Nicke: unping ;)
[17:16] <nigelb> can give me a few days to talk to others?
[17:16] <nigelb> vish: unping is so LOL.  Now you've pinged him/her twice >D
[17:16] <vish> nigelb: no probs for me ;)
[17:16] <vish> ;)
[17:18] <nigelb> vish: also, bug me next week.  I might get overwhelmed. :D
[17:18] <vish> nigelb: hehe , alteast he wont keep wondering whaaaaat! :)
[17:18] <vish> nigelb: meh , i forget more than you ;p , thats why i mention now ..
[17:18] <nigelb> haha
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