[07:07] good morning === daker_ is now known as daker === daker_ is now known as daker [15:32] nigelb: at least I got to hear some noise from sweet India :) [15:32] haha [15:32] nigelb: no need to go crazy :) [15:32] you heard the echo from germany :p [15:32] but it was FROM India :) [15:33] alright, whatever [15:33] heh [15:33] so there's a few things I wanted to talk about [15:33] anyway, so we're way out of track [15:33] 1) Ubuntu Global Jam coming up soon [15:33] 2) Patch Days + Tuition Sessions [15:33] 3) Interviewing current contributors about their experience with the process [15:33] 4) Reaching out more generally [15:34] 5) Reactivating Bobbo! :-D [15:34] heh [15:34] * vish thinks the review process needs to be review first :( [15:34] reviewed* [15:34] why? [15:34] I thought it was fine with no complaints [15:35] ('cept for nitpickers like you :p) [15:35] 1: we dont need so many tags ;p [15:35] I think it's just important to hear what our new contributors have to say in any case [15:35] Yes, we do. [15:35] no.. :s [15:35] how else doo you intend to keep track of the buckets? [15:35] shall we go through them one by one? [15:35] We need only 4 statuses: [15:35] - forwarded [this will work for all patches debian/upstream] [15:35] - needs-work [these three are for patches which are lp projects] [15:35] - accepted [15:35] - rejected [15:36] vish: but if a patch is marked rejected we might still goo with it [15:36] nigelb: we cant keep baby sitting patches for ever :( [15:36] for example the ayatana does a lot of stuff rejected upstream [15:36] nigelb: rejected is for an Ubuntu task.. [15:36] tags are per bug reports not per task [15:37] plus we need to do what bgo does , status of the patches , rather than tag bug reports [15:37] me need to get that in lp :) [15:37] status of patches was discussed at uds [15:37] If i remember, you were there :p [15:37] yeah , thats what i'm saying ;) [15:37] jcastro had an acition item and he updated it recently. [15:37] while its a good idea lp team thinks its too much of work to implement right now [15:38] and they suggested that we use tags which we're already doing [15:38] (this is the result of the action item) [15:38] nigelb: why do we need patch-fowarded-upstream + -debian ? why not just patch-forwarded? if a relevant patch needs to to upstream/debian it is evident [15:39] We can have a patch forwarded to upstream and debian at the same time [15:39] how do you track that? [15:39] * vish never saw such a bug yet :s [15:39] I did. [15:39] ok [15:40] I feel like we should have that discussion separately :) [15:40] heh [15:40] I shoulda been at uds [15:40] in terms of feedback I can imagine that there's a lot of other stuff coming up [15:40] this would have been so much easier if we could sit down and discuss :/ [15:40] but we need to start reaching out to those new contributors first [15:40] instead of having reports maybe we need to blog about examples [15:41] like what effraim does for packaging. that would seem interesting [15:41] dholbach: thats the first complaint any new contrib keeps whining about , too many patches :( , thats why i brought it up :) [15:41] I did a blog post like that already, anybody else wants to have a go? [15:41] * vish fades aways [15:41] dholbach: I do. Its my turn for reports today. I'll do some. [15:41] vish: sorry, I didn't mean to rebuff your comments [15:41] vish: I think they're important, but I felt that it was part of a longer conversation [15:42] and tried to go through the quicker pieces first [15:42] cool.. :) [15:42] dholbach: we need to have a patch day soon :) [15:43] shall we bug pedro about it today? next thursday perhaps? [15:43] pedro is at GUADEC right now [15:43] ahhh. Oh no. [15:43] so maybe the thursday afterwards [15:43] which would leave more time for organisation [15:43] Yes. [15:43] I'm happy to send him a mail about it [15:43] ok [15:44] regarding http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam [15:44] Same system as last time, 1 person in the channel provides support for questions etc [15:44] it's going to be quite a big event, happening in a month [15:44] it'd be nice if we could integrate info about Cleansweep into either http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam directly or maybe http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams/Bugs [15:44] do you think that makes sense? [15:45] yes. it does [15:45] do you think you can have a look and see where it fits in well? [15:45] I was planning on having a bug jam in our city. May be I could organize it towards patches [15:45] I'll also mention it as part of the UGJ announce [15:45] sounds awesome [15:45] I will. I will either fix it or talk to pedro about it first [15:45] fantastic [15:45] that's two discussion points off the list already :) [15:46] let's talk about the actions in a few days again so we can see where we stand [15:46] ok [15:46] I'll go compose that blog post now [15:46] how can we reach out more generally and also reach out to existing contributors about their experience with the process? [15:46] shall we maybe just ask during the patch days? [15:46] yeah. good idea [15:47] just 4 questions would do [15:47] small enough for people to spare 5 minutes [15:47] are you going to draft something up so we can ask them immediately during the event? [15:47] yep, I will :) [15:47] super [15:47] and maybe we should think about reaching out more after those events again [15:48] yeah, have a list of people who participated and poke them often [15:48] I think I'll CC bobbo in all those discussion mails too [15:48] yep, good idea [15:48] maybe he's interested in helping out [15:48] also, you could display that counter on your site [15:48] and also poke and push other community folks like jono to display it [15:49] I'll have a look and see [15:49] torture them if you have to :D [15:50] haha [15:54] nigelb: sent the summary [15:54] nigelb: let's re-review in a few days [15:54] okay [16:02] dholbach: there is one item jcastro was supposed to do during UGJ [16:02] * vish finds blueprint [16:05] https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-m-global-jam [17:10] nigelb: poke.. [17:11] vish: ouch [17:11] nigelb: right , so back to the reduce tags [17:12] nigelb: is there any way , we can reduce ,them , seems a bit much .. we can make it a lot more simpler [17:12] vish: I'm thinking of it now that you say it so vehemently [17:13] we have nearly 11-12 tags , and the first thing anyone sees that list they go .. awww :s [17:13] best part... [17:13] we always use only 3 :/ [17:13] yeah [17:14] patch-needswork, patch-forwarded-upstream [17:14] well, the othe one is "patch" [17:15] vish: I've asked doctormo to take a look at the process [17:15] Nicke: i say , we combine the tags and reduce to just 4.. and we dont ask anyone to babysit the patch , we need to make the submitter more familiar with upstrea/debian [17:15] we cant keep reporting back , upstream says "so so.." [17:15] err , nigelb ^ [17:16] Nicke: unping ;) [17:16] can give me a few days to talk to others? [17:16] vish: unping is so LOL. Now you've pinged him/her twice >D [17:16] nigelb: no probs for me ;) [17:16] ;) [17:18] vish: also, bug me next week. I might get overwhelmed. :D [17:18] nigelb: hehe , alteast he wont keep wondering whaaaaat! :) [17:18] nigelb: meh , i forget more than you ;p , thats why i mention now .. [17:18] haha === yofel_ is now known as yofel [21:55] evening all ! [22:01] somebody got some tips for a newcomer? [22:28] having trouble finding my fingerprint? command : gpg --fingerprint does not return anything, any help plz?