[00:06] <JontheEchidna> ulysses: hi, are you sure the .pot your are using is up to date? Those really should be translatable...
[00:07] <JontheEchidna> they are i18n'd and all: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktophv1549
[00:08] <JontheEchidna> and if the other tabs are translatable, this one should too
[00:08] <JontheEchidna> and those are the newest additions to the tabs
[00:13] <Riddell> ScottK: kde4libs fix worked on ARM but compile failed on the very next file, fingers crossed for the next try
[00:13] <ScottK> Riddell: Progress.  You'll be expert soon.
[00:16] <Riddell> maybe but I've never been a firefighter so I'll never get to be as cool as NCommander
[00:26] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm sort of convinced "hiding" in the Plasma javascript stuff doesn't work as advertised on plasma netbook.
[00:41] <Riddell> ScottK: is it a config option or something else?
[00:42] <ScottK> Riddell: It's from http://techbase.kde.org/KDE_System_Administration/PlasmaDesktopScripting
[00:43] <ScottK> I think I just figured it out.
[00:43] <ScottK> It's not an attribute of the panel.  It's an attribute of SAL.
[00:46]  * ScottK tries that.
[01:04] <ScottK> Riddell: I don't seem to be able to get it to work there either.  I tried sal.hiding = 'none' and sal.hiding('none').  The first one didn't work.  The second one produced a crash.
[01:05]  * ScottK gives up and goes to run some errands.
[01:07] <Riddell> ScottK: can you configure it from the UI?
[01:07] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes. 
[01:07] <Riddell> ScottK: how?
[01:07] <ScottK> Right click on the SAL cashew, then there's an autohide button just below the panel.
[01:08] <ScottK> right/left
[01:08] <Riddell> sal has a cashew?
[01:08] <ScottK> Sure.
[01:08] <ScottK> Lower left corner
[01:08] <Riddell> oh there it is
[01:09] <Riddell> [PlasmaViews][2]
[01:09] <Riddell> panelAutoHide=false
[01:09] <Riddell> so probably just needs that set in the config
[01:10] <ScottK> I guess I was confused by the documentation that said to use "hiding"
[01:11] <Riddell> hmm, well I'll look at it tomorrow
[01:12] <ScottK> I'll fiddle with it a bit more.  I'll let you know if I get it sorted.
[01:12] <Riddell> yay, kdebindings compiled here, uploading
[01:12] <ScottK> bindings or libs?
[01:12] <Riddell> bindings
[01:13] <ScottK> OK
[01:13] <Riddell> without qt multimedia and with some fix for akonadi
[01:13] <Riddell> libs will take some more hours to compile on ARM
[01:15] <ScottK> Ah.  Cool.
[01:16]  * Riddell snoozes
[01:47]  * vorian requests a merge \o/
[01:56]  * maco now using knr lappy
[01:56] <maco> knm is fail for 3g, btw
[01:56] <jjesse> boo
[01:56] <maco> apparently theres a mobile-broadband-info package (i think thats the name)
[01:56] <maco> thats pulled in when you install nm-applet
[01:57] <maco> and then nm-applet has a wizard that just pulls info from the xml file installed by that mobile broadband package and asks "so what country?" "what provider?" "which plan?" and does magic
[01:57] <maco> whereas knm is like "so do you happen to know the name of the anp off-hand?" and you and the person at the t-mobile store are like "the what now?"
[01:58] <maco> i'll have to play more, trying with copying some of the data from the xml file, but given bug reports back to jaunty saying it doesnt work on knm...
[02:04] <ScottK> No suprise it didn't work then.  It might be better now.
[02:06]  * maco pouts at rekonq's continued crashes
[02:07] <maco> the one i saw on lp is marked "in progress"
[02:07] <ScottK> maco: At today's meeting we decided to kick it out and re-evaluate if it might improve later.
[02:07] <maco> ScottK: yes i saw :)
[02:08] <maco> however konqueror is rendering poorly so i was hoping *one* of them would succeed. i think im gonna need firefox
[02:20] <maco> jjesse: still around?
[02:20] <jjesse> today i am
[03:27] <DarkwingDuck> Where does the SVG for the new branding auto download to?
[03:29] <valorie> maco, I too find rekonq excessively crashy
[03:29] <valorie> and sometimes after I close it too
[03:30] <valorie> which is....counter-intuitive
[03:45] <maco> valorie: kontact usually claims to have crashed when i quit it
[03:46] <DarkwingDuck> and don't get me started with akonadi :P:P
[03:47] <DarkwingDuck> I'm working on a couple of card designs with the new Kubuntu Brand and the new Ubuntu Font.
[03:47] <DarkwingDuck> I'll post them to the ML when I finish them.
[03:59] <valorie> I've stayed away from kmail etc. until I hear better things about them
[04:00] <valorie> I'll never put my email in danger again
[04:52] <maco> mueslix: fix your network
[04:53] <mueslix> maco: sorry
[04:53] <ScottK> valorie: Fortunately Kmail in Lucid/Maverick doesn't use Akonadi for mail yet.  It's just the addressbook.
[04:53]  * ScottK has used Kmail for 5 years and (so far) never lost a message.
[04:54] <valorie> well, without email to populate it, the addressbook is a bit useless
[04:54]  * ScottK knocks wood.
[04:54] <valorie> I used it for many years also
[04:54] <valorie> mostly without problems
[04:54] <mueslix> maco: actually, it's manual quits, not my network
[04:54] <maco> the only issue i had with kmail is the time my hard drive filled and it couldnt close file descriptors
[04:54] <mueslix> maco: didn't wanna annoy anyhone tho
[04:54] <valorie> but now that our mail server changed, I'm just waiting, and using gmail as a backup
[04:54] <maco> mueslix: oh. wow why were you in-n-outing so much?
[04:54] <ScottK> I find I don't use the addressbook much.  I mostly write mail to people based on recent addresses.
[04:55] <mueslix> maco: hacking on kovnersation
[04:55] <JontheEchidna> kmail2 is currently a disaster, and seeing KDE's track record of un-disaster-ifying new frameworks that currently suck but promise great shininess, I'm not hopeful :(
[04:55] <vorian> kmail for 3ish years, no problems
[04:55]  * maco nearly asked a stupid question
[04:55]  * maco confused konversation and kopete
[04:55] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I think we've resolved that question at least for this cycle.
[04:55] <mueslix> maco: kopete does have an irc plugin too, tho ;)
[04:55] <JontheEchidna> well I must say I have my doubts for the long term as well, but I guess there's not much to be done about that...
[04:55] <ScottK> mueslix: Not in KDE4.
[04:55] <mueslix> maco: usually, i'd just connect to a test irc network for hacking, but in this case i need some live channels
[04:55] <vorian> lol
[04:55] <mueslix> ScottK: oh, right
[04:55] <maco> mueslix: right. i was about to go "it can do irc?" and then realised that yes, duh, konversation is an irc client. i was thinking of kopete
[04:56] <maco> oh wait you said "does"
[04:56] <ScottK> maco: It could do IRC in KDE3 times.
[04:56] <maco> havnet seen that
[04:56] <ScottK> Not now.
[04:56] <mueslix> figured 6am in the morning (europe time) doesn't offend to many people on the channels i'm on ;-)
[04:56]  * maco still not a fan of kde3
[04:56] <mueslix> kde3's been brilliant :)
[04:57] <ScottK> It's the past in any case.
[04:58] <valorie> It was good in its time
[05:00] <maco> JontheEchidna: oh come on, only took 2 years for kde3 users to relent that kde4 is finally unsuckified :P
[05:00] <maco> i mean undisasterified
[05:00] <JontheEchidna> nepomuk still sucks, for example
[05:01] <JontheEchidna> and what's been done so far with akonadi hasn't been exactly pleasant
[05:01] <vorian> it has a moar cool icon though
[05:01] <JontheEchidna> heh
[05:01] <JontheEchidna> don't get me wrong, the platform's nice, in general.
[05:02] <JontheEchidna> but certain components would not be missed if they were dropped, in my opinion
[05:02] <valorie> what would you like to see disappear?
[05:03] <JontheEchidna> akonadi, for the most part
[05:07] <vorian> artwork underway
[05:07]  * vorian is sad being in such a weird timezone
[05:07] <valorie> I haven't used it
[05:08] <vorian> whoa
[05:10] <vorian> this is almost as bad as when I broke the network :P
[05:10] <valorie_> woah, I lost my scrollback
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[05:11] <valorie> that was a bit of a split
[05:11] <vorian> did you get disconnected?
[05:11] <valorie> yes
[05:11] <valorie> doesn't usually happen, but oh, well
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[06:09] <ulysses> JontheEchidna: yes, both .pot is up to date
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[08:42] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: oh oh, you should take a look at the akonadi design itself
[08:42] <apachelogger> it is made out of awesome
[08:43] <apachelogger> unfortunately the implementation up until now was not anything like it :/
[08:43] <fabo> Riddell: phonon-backend-vlc needs libvlc, libvlccore and the modules. Unfortunately, the modules are shipped with vlc package.
[08:43] <fabo> Riddell: I'll see if the vlc maintainers could improve the situation
[08:59] <Riddell> fabo: that makes sense
[08:59] <apachelogger> Riddell, ScottK: MI does not allow hiding like "minimize to tray"?
[09:00] <fabo> Riddell: Opened #590545 in vlc 1.1.1-1
[09:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: we have a task bar to minimise apps to
[09:02] <apachelogger> so you were complaining about the tray icons eating space in the tray but are fine with the taskbaritem that eats like 5 times as much? Oo
[09:17] <CIA-98> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100727081730-k28i7kq6ovqb8iby * src/statusnotifier/ (CMakeLists.txt StatusNotifier.cpp) kwebview && i18nc++ && proper strings
[09:22] <CIA-98> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100727082223-1rj2zng2e2s9q3du * src/statusnotifier/StatusNotifier.cpp set proper window icon
[09:29] <CIA-98> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100727082831-5pxwh30d9w6mck59 * sn-kcm-close-kcm-authkwalletaccess.kcrash (log message trimmed)
[09:29] <CIA-98> add backtrace of very weird crash that happened when starting the kcm from the
[09:29] <CIA-98> status notifier, waiting a bit, closing it, THEN ack the meanwhile appeared
[09:38] <SeLecT> spanis
[09:39] <Mamarok> SeLecT: no, English only here
[09:39] <SeLecT> ok
[09:39] <SeLecT> istall zatto en kubuntu ?
[09:40] <SeLecT> install zattoo kubuntu '
[09:40] <Mamarok> SeLecT: please go to #kubuntu-es for support in Spanish
[09:40] <SeLecT> ok
[09:57] <CIA-98> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100727085646-fxl17i6mfwi0uo9g * TODO add targets (as identified before midterm eval) to todo
[10:04]  * apachelogger finds his u1 kcm horrible -.-
[10:04] <valorie> what's so awful about it?
[10:05] <apachelogger> everything
[10:05] <apachelogger> there is no concept behind it
[10:05] <valorie> :(
[10:05] <apachelogger> it is just a pile of options (or actually it doesnt even do much -.-)
[10:05] <valorie> you seem to have lost your enjoyment in this project
[10:05] <valorie> it's sad to see.....
[10:09] <valorie> did you have a nice birthday, though?
[10:20] <apachelogger> any opinions on http://imagebin.ca/view/Ph_PyO.html
[10:21] <apachelogger> valorie: I slept through one half and was travelling the other ;)
[10:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: ^^^^^ kcm
[10:22] <apachelogger> in the folder sections one can manage publication and sharing, general basically contains what is visible right now (without that additional tab) and web just contains a kwebview to the website
[10:23]  * apachelogger doesnt really know what more to configure at this point anyway
[10:31] <valorie> it looks good to me
[10:31] <valorie> at least as good as u1-original
[10:32] <Tm_T> uh, I'm no longer moderated in k-c-d? :o
[10:34] <apachelogger> probably people became tired of passing you through :P
[10:34] <apachelogger> i hear that is how you get into kcd ^^
[10:34] <apachelogger> valorie: only? :O
[10:34]  * apachelogger wants it to be superior
[10:34] <Tm_T> apachelogger: I can be very tiresome to deal with, that's for sure
[10:37] <valorie> apachelogger: while I like a pretty config screen
[10:37] <valorie> what is more important is the dang thing working
[10:37] <valorie> which so far....not for me
[10:37] <apachelogger> you wanna know why?
[10:37] <apachelogger> because of the python stuff :P
[10:38] <apachelogger> and because of very poor design
[10:38] <apachelogger> like components manually trying to get authentication tokens ... which means each component that I do not replace must be patched to not only look in gnome-keyring but also kwallet
[10:38] <apachelogger> ...
[10:38] <valorie> I've been hearing you bewail the -original state
[10:39] <valorie> so you have a moving target
[10:39] <valorie> and generally, when one has a moving target, you move to a shotgun
[10:39] <valorie> :(
[10:40] <apachelogger> very true
[10:41] <valorie> that's sort of the opposite of the elegant program which is the ideal
[10:41] <valorie> I guess the cloud is a cloudy concept over there
[10:43] <CIA-98> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100727094258-880vmpz7fcyfy2wj * src/ (kcmodule/Module.cpp statusnotifier/StatusNotifier.cpp) clean ups and downs
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[11:06] <CIA-98> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100727100620-pndj6cbw8rhko9c2 * dolphin.txt add notes on what is necessary in dolphin
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[14:49] <Quintasan> sheytan: what abut that bzr-fastimport?
[14:49] <Quintasan> sheytan: meant for shadeslayer 
[14:49] <sheytan> :)
[14:55] <ScottK> Riddell: I had no luck last night with figuring out autohide in the javascript for netbook.
[14:55] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: we can import kdelibs with it
[14:55] <shadeslayer> i think
[14:56] <ScottK> Riddell: I gave notmart a ping about it in #plasma-netbook.
[15:07] <ScottK> Riddell: notmart explained it to me.  k-n-d-s upload shortly.
[15:12] <CIA-98> [muon] jmthomas * 1155504 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/MuonStrings.cpp Remove duplicate entry for mail, copy/paste error BUG: 245915
[15:12] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 245915 in Launchpad Bazaar Integration "Puller breaks when dest directory is not a branch but has a bzrdir" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/245915
[15:18] <dantti_> JontheEchidna: http://img443.imageshack.us/my.php?image=plasmadesktopp21573.jpg
[15:18] <JontheEchidna> dantti_: neat :)
[15:18] <dantti_> much better imo
[15:20] <stalcup> Riddell: did you get my poke about artwork and accessability?
[15:50] <shadeslayer> ooooooohhhhhhhh http://www.afiestas.org/
[15:50] <shadeslayer> most importantly.. bluedevil
[15:50] <shadeslayer> will we ship it?
[16:17]  * oxymoron cries over that KDE dev team hvaent fixed everything and doesnt introduce anything new :/
[16:17] <oxymoron> KDE 4.5 RC 3 and nothing new yet ...
[16:20] <ScottK> oxymoron: It's an RC, it's not supposed to introduce anything new.
[16:20] <oxymoron> ScottK: And Final should? xD
[16:20] <oxymoron> ScottK: I mean 4.5 doesnt introcude antyhing compared to 4.4?
[16:21] <ScottK> Oh.
[16:21] <ScottK> Sure it does.
[16:21] <oxymoron> Only some minor fixes that shouldve been take care of light years ago.
[16:22] <oxymoron> Webkit for KOnwueror, Reworked notification blaha and so on? :S
[16:32] <Riddell> shtylman: I've seen ev's ubiquity branch for maverick and it scares me
[16:32] <Riddell> lots of changes
[16:33] <Riddell> ScottK: nothing new in lp:~kubuntu-netbook/kubuntu-netbook/default-settings  did you commit?
[16:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: pokes
[16:33] <ScottK> Riddell: I didn't yet.  I'm also trying to get the battery to appear in the tray by default (and the MI).
[16:34] <shtylman> Riddell: it scares me too
[16:34] <shtylman> ive started looking at it
[16:34] <ScottK> If you've got that stuff, I can push my autohide change.
[16:34] <shadeslayer> i think we can do s/QDialog/KDialog to upgrade manager... whats your take?
[16:36] <Riddell> shtylman: upgrade manager I've always wanted to keep as simple as possible, I'm slightly scared that if it changes to a KDE app it'll have permissions problems same as we occationally get with ubiquity
[16:36] <Riddell> shadeslayer rather ^^
[16:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: apachelogger wanted me to transition it
[16:37] <Riddell> ScottK: not to hand I don't, can they take the code from plasma-desktop?
[16:37] <shtylman> Riddell: I have never touched upgrade manager so can't really comment on that one :/
[16:37] <ScottK> Riddell: They are there, it's just a question of getting them in the default config.
[16:37] <ScottK> Good point though, let me look how it is there.
[16:42] <Riddell> stalcup: hmm bzr won't let me merge your branches
[16:42] <Riddell> moaning about versions being incompatible
[16:42] <Riddell> copied by hand and merged, thanks
[16:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: my only comment on your kcm screenshot is that your colour scheme is ugly :)
[16:47] <shadeslayer> ^ lol
[16:51] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm borrowing your config stuff from k-d-s and will try it in netbook.
[17:03] <mfraz74> experiencing trouble with maverick on a i915 based laptop
[17:05] <mfraz74> splash screen is messed up and desktop effects are disabled
[17:05] <shadeslayer> Riddell: seen mail on kde-packager?
[17:05] <shadeslayer> by sebas
[17:05] <shadeslayer> /proc/sys/fs/inotify/max_user_watches for us currently is 8192
[17:06] <shadeslayer> which is *small*
[17:06] <mfraz74> any ideas?
[17:07] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no, what's it say?
[17:07] <Riddell> oh trueg
[17:07] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/9X26M2ts
[17:07] <Riddell> yes we should ponder that
[17:07] <shadeslayer> maybe talk to #ubuntu-kernel or such?
[17:09] <Riddell> yes probably, I wonder who on the kernel team would care
[17:09] <shadeslayer> hehe
[17:09] <shadeslayer> im in there right now
[17:10] <mfraz74> is kde 4.5 rc3 going to be built for the kubuntu beta ppa?
[17:12] <mfraz74> just had the printer applet crash on maverick
[17:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: would we want usr/share/kde4/services/searchproviders/bing.desktop and usr/share/kde4/services/searchproviders/baidu.desktop
[17:13] <shadeslayer> in kdebase-runtime
[17:14] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes, they should be in the .install files alreayd no?
[17:14] <shadeslayer> theyre not
[17:14] <shadeslayer> ill add them
[17:15] <Riddell> in kdebase-runtime-data.install
[17:15] <shadeslayer> yep
[17:15] <shadeslayer> any specific files for manpages?
[17:15] <Riddell> how do you mean?
[17:16] <shadeslayer> dh_install: usr/share/man/man1/kdesu.1 exists in debian/tmp but is not installed to anywhere
[17:18] <Riddell> kdesu isn't a user command 
[17:18] <Riddell> so just leave it uninstalled
[17:19] <shadeslayer> ok
[17:20] <shadeslayer> anything else about the other 2?
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[17:21] <shadeslayer> wait.. :P
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[17:22] <shadeslayer> dh_install: usr/share/man/man8/nepomukservicestub.8 exists in debian/tmp but is not installed to anywhere
[17:22] <shadeslayer> and dh_install: usr/share/man/man8/nepomukserver.8 exists in debian/tmp but is not installed to anywhere
[17:22] <shadeslayer> i doubt we need those
[17:22] <ScottK> shadeslayer: If we install the binaries, we should install the man pages.
[17:22] <shadeslayer> uh..
[17:22] <ScottK> kdesu is a bit special since we divert it to kdesudo.
[17:22] <shadeslayer> for the last 2?
[17:23] <Riddell> you can add them to kdebase-runtime.manpages
[17:23] <ScottK> Yes (I'm assuming we install the binaries)
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[17:23] <shadeslayer> Riddell: they were commented in kdebase-runtime.install 
[17:23] <ScottK> Riddell: If https://launchpad.net/~kitterman/+archive/ppa/+build/1892006 works, I'll upload it.
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[17:25] <Riddell> shadeslayer: add manpages to kdebase-runtime.manpages
[17:25] <mfraz74> any idea what this means: opengl compositing self-check failed, falling back to xrender ?
[17:26] <Riddell> it means opengl isn't working
[17:27] <mfraz74> Riddell: I'm sure it was ok in 10.04 as the desktop effects were working, now in 10.10 they are not
[17:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/wjfT503u
[17:31] <shadeslayer> so i guess... modify rules file?
[17:32] <shadeslayer> a more legible version http://pastebin.com/XkEd5SrL
[17:35] <dantti_> Riddell: works now :D http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopo21573
[17:35] <shadeslayer> dantti_: new kpk?
[17:36] <dantti_> shadeslayer: sort of, the screen shot is to show the new aptcc that get distro upgrades
[17:36] <dantti_> shadeslayer: but the update ui is different
[17:36] <shadeslayer> ah :D
[17:36] <shadeslayer> looks somewhat better ;)
[17:37] <dantti_> I'm going to remove the update groups, the second column and trie to reduce the line height
[17:37] <dantti_> and invert the package name and description
[17:38] <dantti_> since most people (including me) started to hate it :P
[17:38] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[17:39] <JontheEchidna> the latest in plasma runner technologies: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopja7655
[17:39] <JontheEchidna> it's like command-not-found, only for the runner
[17:39] <dantti_> JontheEchidna: hmm nice how it works?
[17:39] <shadeslayer> ooh
[17:39] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: nice
[17:40] <JontheEchidna> dantti_: it grabs the sterr of /usr/lib/command-not-found :P (a bit ugly)
[17:40] <shadeslayer> aww.. we had kubotu :P
[17:40] <dantti_> JontheEchidna: it would be nice if it use packagekit so other distros could have it :)
[17:40] <JontheEchidna> *stderr
[17:40] <dantti_> hmm
[17:40] <JontheEchidna> and then it calls an installer via kprocess
[17:40] <dantti_> there is a command not found in packagekit dunno if it works.. :P
[17:40] <JontheEchidna> if you click on it
[17:41] <dantti_> pretty nice
[17:41] <JontheEchidna> http://pastebin.com/JjU5PeN8
[17:41] <shadeslayer> oh gawd no
[17:41] <shadeslayer> noooooooooooooo
[17:41] <shadeslayer> konsole crashed taking my chroot with it.. which had mod to all files :S
[17:41] <shadeslayer> and i dont remember the location :/
[17:42] <shadeslayer> aw man :S
[17:43] <JontheEchidna> if kde can't find the program via KService, it'll see if command-not-found knows what package the string belongs to
[17:43] <JontheEchidna> and then if it finds one it'll return a result that you can click on to install it
[17:43] <JontheEchidna> this could go great in kickoff
[17:44] <JontheEchidna> for example if you just recently (re)installed linux and you didn't have an app that you usually have, you could very conveniently just click on that to install it
[17:44] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: do you haz cowbuilder?
[17:44] <JontheEchidna> nope, I usually just use pbuilder
[17:45] <shadeslayer> :S
[17:45] <shadeslayer> ill have to do all of it over again :/
[17:47] <JontheEchidna> aww, patching kickoff to add the installer runner to the list of allowed installers is a one-line patch, but it can't do an out-of-source build :(
[17:47] <JontheEchidna> I don't wanna build all of kdebase-workspace :(
[17:47] <shadeslayer> ScottK:  btw do i want to install usr/share/man/man8/nepomukserver.8 
[17:48] <shadeslayer> and usr/share/man/man8/nepomukservicestub.8 
[17:48] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: debhelper takes care of manpages. those are all false positives
[17:48] <shadeslayer> alrighty then
[17:48] <shadeslayer> runtime->done()
[18:03] <maco> ok, now i have enough computers to take an interest in that U1 think apachelogger is doing
[18:03] <sheytan> hey guys
[18:04] <sheytan> http://a.imageshack.us/img638/2390/basetest.jpg This one, or this one: http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/7032/base2test.jpg
[18:04] <Riddell> kde4libs still going on ARM...
[18:04] <Riddell> basetest.jpg doesn't have an obvious typo :)
[18:07] <sheytan> Riddell :D
[18:08] <sheytan> will fix it :D
[18:08] <sheytan> but, which one? :D
[18:08] <maco> they both have obvious typos
[18:08] <maco> bastest has "agan" instead of "again"
[18:08] <maco> and base2test has "whatch" instead of "watch"
[18:08] <sheytan> Don't look at typos :P Look at the layout
[18:08]  * maco hands Riddell glasses
[18:09] <maco> sheytan: i like basetest. light & airy
[18:09] <shadeslayer> sheytan: +1 to base2test
[18:10] <shadeslayer> and send me the image
[18:10] <maco> i dont like the thick black bar on base2test
[18:10] <shadeslayer> ^ that can be improved ...
[18:11] <sheytan> shadeslayer is right ;D
[18:13] <sheytan> http://browse.deviantart.com/customization/wallpaper/widescreen/?qh=&section=&q=field++of++dreams#/d1ut0zi wallpaper :)
[18:16] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Yes.
[18:17] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ok
[18:17] <shadeslayer> i wonder how hard will it be to implement http://bugsfiles.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=37532
[18:17] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: why would we bother, isn't that for local imports?
[18:17] <shadeslayer> local imports?
[18:18] <shadeslayer> as in on the HD?
[18:18] <Quintasan> yes
[18:18] <shadeslayer> hmm... i thought it was for lp imports
[18:23] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: go and do the kdebase
[18:23] <Quintasan> :P
[18:23] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: its building in cowbuilder
[18:23] <shadeslayer> its almost doen
[18:23] <shadeslayer> *done
[18:23] <shadeslayer> will upload in 25 mins
[18:23] <shadeslayer> if cowbuilder permits
[18:24] <Quintasan> what about kdebase-runtime and workspace?
[18:24] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i was talking about runtime
[18:24] <shadeslayer> workspace comes next
[18:24] <Quintasan> ok
[18:25] <shadeslayer> kdebase is up already
[18:33] <shadeslayer> cowbuilder->hate()
[18:34] <shadeslayer> where is lex these days? 0_o
[18:35] <Riddell> he told me he was on holiday
[18:35] <Riddell> in Hamburg
[18:35] <shadeslayer> ahh... see how we are handicapped without him :)
[18:35] <shadeslayer> stupid cowbuilder :/
[18:36] <Quintasan> whats your problem? works fine here
[18:37] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: and. well, TBH I'm just waiting on dependecies to be ready
[18:38] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: dude.. slow HD
[18:38] <shadeslayer> i started cowbuilder 30 mins ago
[18:38] <shadeslayer> and its still setting up stuff
[18:39] <Quintasan> this must a damn old hd i assume
[18:39] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: only a year old :S
[18:39] <shadeslayer> but
[18:39] <shadeslayer> i think.. its because i have BTRFS
[18:39] <ryanakca> shadeslayer: Mine's the same age and acts the same. Maybe not 30 minutes, but still slow
[18:40] <Quintasan> oh
[18:40] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: switch from it then
[18:40] <shadeslayer> yeah after next alpha probably
[18:40] <Quintasan> I see not point in using it when it is sooo slow
[18:41] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: ryanakca http://imgur.com/ngiZ2
[18:42] <Quintasan> what is that?
[18:42] <shadeslayer> the app?
[18:42] <Quintasan> yea
[18:42] <shadeslayer> !info gnome-disk-utility
[18:42] <ubottu> gnome-disk-utility (source: gnome-disk-utility): manage and configure disk drives and media. In component main, is optional. Version 2.30.1-1 (lucid), package size 450 kB, installed size 7852 kB
[18:42] <Quintasan> GNOME has such a machine?
[18:42] <Quintasan> we need better tool in KDE then
[18:42] <shadeslayer> yeah
[18:43] <shadeslayer> totally ^
[18:43] <shadeslayer> infact
[18:43] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: ill reformat this weekend
[18:43] <shadeslayer> btrfs--
[18:43] <shadeslayer> btrfs--
[18:45] <shadeslayer> ill start work on kdebase-workspace till then
[18:52] <ScottK> Riddell: k-n-d-s done in the archive and in bzr.  I also fixed up favorites while I was there.
[18:52] <Riddell> ScottK: what was up with favourites?
[18:53] <ScottK> Riddell: Switched back to Konqueror from Rekonq (per yesterday's meeting) and put KMail back in place of Kontact (Kontact is just too much on a netbook).
[18:54] <Riddell> you think notebook users don't want addressbook or calendar or other bits of kontact?
[18:54] <ScottK> We've also had KMail in Netbook favorites for the last two releases.
[18:54] <ScottK> There's a contacts icon in the search and launch directly.
[18:54] <ScottK> Calendar is available in the Office section.
[18:55] <ScottK> It's just too much all at once on a small screen.
[18:56] <Riddell> right
[18:57] <shadeslayer> omg.. workspace bzr is huge :P
[18:57] <ScottK> In any case, battery and M-I are in the default layout now (copying your js from desktop worked), so we just need k-d-s updated to enable M-I be default for Quassel/Kopete and make the tray icons go away.
[18:58] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Everything about -workspace is huge.
[18:58] <Riddell> ScottK: hmm I wonder how that interacts with the kubuntu_105_netbook_favourites.diff patch in kdebase-workspace
[18:58] <shadeslayer> awesome :D
[18:58] <ScottK> Riddell: We can drop that now.  It's the javascript that's deciding.
[18:58] <Riddell> ScottK: but it's needed for ubiquity
[18:59] <ScottK> Riddell: Oh?
[18:59] <ScottK> Sigh.
[18:59] <dantti_> new kpk updater, it only misses the update kind emblem.. http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopp21573 
[18:59] <ScottK> OK.  Can we do the ubiquity bits in the javascript?
[19:00] <Quintasan> ARGH
[19:00] <Riddell> ScottK: not as far as I know, you can't query for the existence of files
[19:00]  * Quintasan turns off everything too stop the distractions from coming
[19:00] <Quintasan> :S
[19:00] <ScottK> Riddell: I guess we need to leave it then.
[19:01] <Riddell> dantti_: ooh, nice :)
[19:01] <maco> Riddell: cant query file existence where?
[19:01] <Riddell> dantti_: where would the update emblem go?
[19:01]  * ScottK highlights Quintasan a couple of times to help him make sure he's got distractions turned off.
[19:01] <ScottK> Heya Quintasan.
[19:01] <Riddell> maco: in plasma config javascript
[19:01] <maco> Riddell: oh. nevermind...
[19:01] <dantti_> Riddell: I was thinkg next to the summary of the package
[19:03] <ScottK> Riddell: Maybe we could have a patch that provides something like "if (isUbiquity)" so it could work in layout.js like "if (hasBattery)" does?
[19:03] <ScottK> Then you could do the needed bits in layout.js.
[19:03] <Riddell> ScottK: that would be more elegant, not sure what would be required though
[19:04] <ScottK> Riddell: I think what would be required is to tell agateau to do it... ;-)
[19:04] <ScottK> Actually I bet shtylman could handle it.
[19:04] <maco> ScottK: are you heading up to debconf?
[19:05]  * ScottK gets back to $WORK.
[19:05] <ScottK> maco: No.
[19:05] <CIA-98> [muon] jmthomas * 1155610 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/ (Messages.sh src/Messages.sh) Make Messages.sh more reliable, and also move it to the toplevel directory. Fixes incomplete .pot generation BUG:245838
[19:07] <JontheEchidna> ulysses: ^
[19:08] <JontheEchidna> next scripty run should fix things
[19:12] <ulysses> where is kubotu, I want to order cookies for JontheEchidna
[19:12] <shadeslayer> ulysses: ask jussi
[19:13] <JontheEchidna> hmm, I suppose I should have CCMAIL'd kde-i18n-doc for a heads-up
[19:13] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i actually had runtime fix0red.. but at the last moment konsole went down taking down my cowbuilder chroot with it
[19:14] <ulysses> JontheEchidna: Muon is really great, I think it's better than all other package manager
[19:15] <JontheEchidna> :)
[19:15] <shadeslayer> ulysses: shhhh.. dantti_'s here 
[19:15] <shadeslayer> he will be upset :P
[19:15] <ulysses> The UI is more usable
[19:15] <ulysses> shadeslayer: why?
[19:15] <shadeslayer> ulysses: dantti == kpk dev 
[19:16] <shadeslayer> :P
[19:16] <ulysses> o.O
[19:17] <dantti_> :P well kpk hasn't all that cool ui, but it is meant to be simple and hide advanced features that most users don't need...
[19:17] <dantti_> two different use cases
[19:17] <dantti_> it's like kpk vs shaman, kpk vs synaptics :P
[19:17] <shadeslayer> add muon there too ^
[19:17] <dantti_> yup :P
[19:18] <dantti_> Muon should be full featured while KPK should be simple and got to all distros...
[19:18] <dantti_> s/got/go
[19:18] <ulysses> I get it
[19:19] <dantti_> but if you have any ideas to get it better please say so :)
[19:19] <dantti_> ulysses: I'm trying to improve the updates ui now -> http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopp21573 
[19:22] <ulysses> I should translate KPackageKit too, it's untranslated in svn
[19:23] <ulysses> so many translation to do, and not enough translator:(
[19:25] <dantti_> hehe
[19:50] <JontheEchidna> oh my dpkg!
[19:50] <JontheEchidna> armel actually managed to beat all other arches: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phonon-backend-vlc/0.2.0-1ubuntu1
[19:51]  * shadeslayer is ranting about btrfs on #ubuntu-kernel
[19:51] <Quintasan> lol
[19:51] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: :D
[19:52] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: Have you ever hacked on Kopete before?
[19:52] <JontheEchidna> nope
[19:52]  * Quintasan wants to make Kopete turn notifications off when status == DnD
[19:53] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: theres a GUI option for that
[19:53] <shadeslayer> lemme se
[19:53] <Quintasan> You sure? I can't find it
[19:54] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: Settings > Configure > Behaviour > Events
[19:55] <shadeslayer> under Misc. its Enable events when away
[19:55] <shadeslayer> so you untick that 
[19:55] <shadeslayer> which should do it
[19:55] <Quintasan> omfg
[19:56] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: it works right?
[19:56] <Quintasan> well
[19:56] <Quintasan> It works with Away
[19:56] <Quintasan> I wonder what if I set Do no disturb
[19:56] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yeah so simply edit DnD to reflect away
[19:56] <shadeslayer> File > Set Status > Edit Status
[19:57] <shadeslayer> DnD > Category > Away
[19:57] <shadeslayer> done! :D
[19:57] <Quintasan> doesnt work
[19:57] <Quintasan> :/
[19:57] <shadeslayer> brrrr
[19:58] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: use Away then :P
[19:58] <shadeslayer> or rename Away to DnD
[19:58] <shadeslayer> see.. no h4x00ring required
[19:58] <Quintasan> Away doesn't work too
[19:58] <shadeslayer> :O
[19:59] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: but you just said it worked :P
[20:00] <Quintasan> it just stopped
[20:00] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: I think dantti_ is doing something kopete-related
[20:00] <shadeslayer> lol
[20:00] <JontheEchidna> but I think that's a rewrite he's doing...
[20:01] <Quintasan> this is misleading!
[20:01] <shadeslayer> i definitely need a desktop
[20:03] <Quintasan> grrr
[20:04]  * shadeslayer steals Quintasan's instead
[20:04] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: if you're still doing archive-admin-y things, phonon-backends source needs to go. (moved back to phonon source)
[20:05] <shadeslayer> and plasma-widget-fastuserswitch needs sync ^
[20:05] <shadeslayer> oh wait
[20:05] <shadeslayer> its syncd :D
[20:05] <shadeslayer> everyone enjoy your shiny new plasmoid
[20:06] <shadeslayer> bah.. it aint.. thats the local package i installed :S
[20:08] <Quintasan> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[20:08] <Quintasan> is Away checks for Busy too
[20:08] <Quintasan> but it doesn't work anyways
[20:10] <Quintasan> the feature is there but it does not work
[20:10] <Quintasan> :/
[20:11] <shadeslayer> heh :P
[20:12] <Quintasan> kde bug Bug 184113
[20:12] <ubottu> Bug 184113 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/184113 is private
[20:12] <Quintasan> grr
[20:13] <Quintasan> kde bug 184113
[20:13] <ubottu> KDE bug 184113 in Notifications "No apparent way to disable events while status is Busy" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=184113
[20:13] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: how do you list missing files with CDBS?
[20:13] <shadeslayer> also
[20:14] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: hooks
[20:14] <shadeslayer> manpages are not installed, ScottK told me to install then whereas JontheEchidna says they are false positives :p
[20:14] <shadeslayer> so...
[20:15] <shadeslayer> # list-missing files result:-./usr/share/man/man1/kdesu.1 -./usr/share/man/man8/nepomukserver.8 -./usr/share/man/man8/nepomukservicestub.8
[20:15] <Quintasan> cdbs hook lists em as missing cause they get compressed
[20:15] <ScottK> I just said the man pages should be installed.
[20:15] <shadeslayer> ScottK: i know
[20:15] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: ^^ am I right?
[20:15] <ScottK> If they're already installed, then don't worry about it.
[20:15] <shadeslayer> <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: debhelper takes care of manpages. those are all false positives
[20:15] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: right, they get compressed and automagically added to the package by debhelper
[20:15] <shadeslayer> ScottK: theyre not
[20:15] <shadeslayer> i do see them from the B10 hook
[20:16] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: cdbs is treating them as missing because they get compressed, just make sure they are in install files
[20:16] <JontheEchidna> easy way to convince yourself that they are already installed: man nepomukserver
[20:16] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: theyre not.. should i put then>
[20:16] <JontheEchidna> they are installed
[20:16] <shadeslayer> 0_o
[20:16] <JontheEchidna> just not those files
[20:16] <shadeslayer> not here
[20:17] <shadeslayer> No manual entry for nepomukserver
[20:17] <shadeslayer> and http://pastebin.com/SD0AG5p0
[20:17] <JontheEchidna> http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktophi7655
[20:18] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: you do not even need *.install entires for man files?
[20:18] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: nope, debhelper takes care of that
[20:18] <Quintasan> neat
[20:18] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: just ignore this :<
[20:18] <shadeslayer> okies
[20:18] <shadeslayer> kdebase runtime uploading then
[20:20] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=184113 do you have powers to set that as confirmed?
[20:21] <ubottu> KDE bug 184113 in Notifications "No apparent way to disable events while status is Busy" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[20:21] <JontheEchidna> yeah, though I doubt it'll really mean anything
[20:21] <JontheEchidna> confirmed
[20:21] <shadeslayer> hehe
[20:22] <Quintasan> better than sitting unconfirmed
[20:22] <JontheEchidna> eh
[20:22] <JontheEchidna> not really
[20:22] <Quintasan> why not?
[20:23] <JontheEchidna> because it just doesn't really matter in kde bug land
[20:23] <Quintasan> >bug
[20:23] <Quintasan> >magic
[20:23] <Quintasan> There, I fixed it for you Sir
[20:23] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: where do you set the bug to confirmed btw?
[20:23] <shadeslayer> status?
[20:23] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[20:24] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: You need additional pylons to do that
[20:24] <JontheEchidna> they use "NEW" for confirmed
[20:24] <shadeslayer> hmm.. the only field i cant edit there
[20:24] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i haz additional pylons
[20:24] <shadeslayer> not all of them tho ^_^
[20:24] <Quintasan> That means you do not have pylons needed
[20:25] <shadeslayer> hmm.. this cough syrup does not work :/
[20:25] <shadeslayer> im still coughing :P
[20:25] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: runtime uploaded
[20:26] <shadeslayer> workspace coming up in 30 mins i guess
[20:26] <Quintasan> great
[20:26] <shadeslayer> if i dont have alot of issues
[20:28] <dantti_> what do you think about the smaller rows? http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopt21573
[20:29] <Quintasan> looks good
[20:32] <Quintasan> grrr
[20:32] <Quintasan> me need to grab debug libs
[20:34] <shadeslayer> man
[20:34] <shadeslayer> i need to type 60 pages :/
[20:36] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: btw you applied for UDS last time right?
[20:38] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: seems that https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeadmin/+bug/331192 cannot be fixed with given patch :(
[20:38] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 331192 in kdeadmin (Ubuntu) "KDE printer configuration app stopped working on Lucid (TypeError in set_widget_value())" [Medium,In progress]
[20:40] <JontheEchidna> the bug shouldn't have been reopened
[20:40] <JontheEchidna> closing again
[20:41] <shadeslayer> uh....
[20:41] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: i just commented on it :P
[20:42] <JontheEchidna> yeah, on a random issue somebody polluted the original report with
[20:42] <shadeslayer> it still isnt fixed tho
[20:42] <JontheEchidna> the issue reported is fixed
[20:43] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: http://imgur.com/EbnwG
[20:43] <shadeslayer> thats from maverick
[20:43] <JontheEchidna> maverick is suffering from bug 591980
[20:43] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 591980 in kdeadmin (Ubuntu) "system-config-printer-kde missing error" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/591980
[20:44] <shadeslayer> ah
[20:44] <shadeslayer> do we has patch>
[20:45] <shadeslayer> or new build dep has to be added?
[20:45] <JontheEchidna> it has to be ported
[20:45] <shadeslayer> python-cupsutils << ?
[20:45] <shadeslayer> or the app itself?
[20:45] <JontheEchidna> the app itself
[20:46] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[20:47]  * shadeslayer goes to look at some more
[20:48] <shadeslayer> uh
[20:49] <shadeslayer> bug 600177 can be closed imo
[20:49] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 600177 in choqok (Ubuntu Maverick) "choqok fails to build from source in maverick" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/600177
[20:49] <shadeslayer> since we had a new choqok upload
[20:50] <JontheEchidna> yeah, closed
[20:50] <shadeslayer> you closed it?
[20:50] <shadeslayer> :P
[20:50] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[20:50] <shadeslayer> hehe
[20:50]  * apachelogger is back home \\o/
[20:50] <shadeslayer> i just did too :p
[20:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: wb
[20:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: *sob* any comments regarding the structuring though?
[20:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: also about the update manager thingy ... currently it is bugged && partially not translated
[20:52] <apachelogger> latter is very likely from using a QDialog with QDialog buttons (though since it is a kapp it should fetch kde-qt translation ... which makes the whole thing a bit odd)
[20:52] <apachelogger> so
[20:52] <Quintasan> lol, apachelogger comes and spams channel with unsorted business :P
[20:52] <Quintasan> apachelogger: \o/
[20:52] <apachelogger> now that I am home I can commit stuff again
[20:52] <apachelogger> and take part in the 4.5 rcFooBar packaging
[20:53] <apachelogger> also I have great plans for shopping this week
[20:53] <Quintasan> apachelogger: We left you bindings
[20:53] <shadeslayer> :D
[20:53] <Quintasan> seems there are problems with python
[20:53] <apachelogger> I shall get a new laptop a printer a new coffee cooking machinery and possibly cloths
[20:53] <apachelogger> most importantly though shoes
[20:53] <shadeslayer> oh gawd
[20:53] <shadeslayer> bug 132060
[20:53] <JontheEchidna> and a fez?
[20:54] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 132060 in network-manager-openvpn (Ubuntu) "[feisty] network-manager-openvpn doesn't work when using x509 and private key file has password" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132060
[20:54] <apachelogger> Quintasan: when are there no problems with pythonz... :P
[20:54] <Quintasan> apachelogger: trollface.jpg
[20:54] <maco> JontheEchidna: fezes are cool
[20:54] <JontheEchidna> ;)
[20:54] <apachelogger> hm
[20:54] <apachelogger> no kubotu to ask ... what is a fez
[20:54] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I do not render jpg, sry
[20:55]  * Quintasan guesses that is the thing muslim women put on their heads
[20:55] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: you did not see the finale for the latest dr who?
[20:55] <apachelogger> I did not dare
[20:55] <JontheEchidna> lol
[20:55] <Quintasan> but this is a guess based on polish meaning of it :P
[20:55] <apachelogger> it appeared to become too epic so I stopped after 5 minutes
[20:55] <JontheEchidna> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvWYw0CnuSI
[20:55] <Quintasan> apachelogger: trollface.svg
[20:56] <apachelogger> oh youtubes
[20:56] <apachelogger> youtubez even
[20:56] <Quintasan> uTubez
[20:56] <apachelogger> ahh
[20:56] <apachelogger> ohh
[20:56] <apachelogger> I agree with the doctor (as usual)
[20:56] <Quintasan> @_@
[20:56] <apachelogger> I shall also shop for a fez then
[20:57] <apachelogger> I know a nice shop like 5 other people know about that might actually have such things
[20:57]  * Quintasan takes out laser pisotr
[20:57] <Quintasan> pistol*
[20:57] <apachelogger> well then
[20:57] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: oh, before I forget: witness the latest in plasma runner technologies: http://tinyurl.com/2vsmrgk
[20:57] <apachelogger> ah
[20:57] <Quintasan> cookies for JontheEchidna 
[20:57] <apachelogger> yay
[20:57] <JontheEchidna> command not found + plasma runn0r == awesome
[20:57] <apachelogger> hooray
[20:58] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that is way superior to apturl :P
[20:58] <apachelogger> that reminds me that I wanted to fix into runner && apturl
[20:58] <JontheEchidna> well, just don't ask how it gets info from command-not-found :P
[20:58] <apachelogger> well
[20:58] <apachelogger> you
[20:58] <apachelogger> know
[20:58] <JontheEchidna> it works well enough but makes me cry
[20:58] <apachelogger> dear JontheEchidna
[20:59] <apachelogger> command-not-found is written in ze pyth0rnz
[20:59] <apachelogger> so 
[20:59] <apachelogger> DO NOT COUNT ON IT ****NOT**** CHANGING
[20:59] <JontheEchidna> KProcess > python
[20:59] <apachelogger> KProcessor
[20:59] <apachelogger> so
[20:59] <apachelogger> enough of the chit chat
[20:59] <apachelogger> time to do something useful
[20:59] <JontheEchidna> the stderr output is probably more stable than the python api :P
[20:59] <Quintasan> lol
[21:00] <apachelogger> namely mark all of src/bzr on my netbook as to-be-syncd with u1
[21:00] <apachelogger> and then....
[21:00] <apachelogger> muhahaha
[21:00]  * Quintasan hits apachelogger with a hammer
[21:00] <apachelogger> this is the by far most horrible use of cloud file syncing I am sure
[21:00] <Quintasan> start doing thing insread of typing
[21:00] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: workspace building
[21:00] <Quintasan> bsides, why the hell do you sync bzr on u1?
[21:01] <shadeslayer> well...atleast patches apply ^_^
[21:01] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: great
[21:01] <apachelogger> how else would you do the sharezing?
[21:01] <shadeslayer> im going to sleep in 15 mins
[21:01] <Quintasan> lol rsync
[21:01] <ScottK> dantti_: It looks to me like in Maverick if you check for updates and you aren't on the network, it fails silently (at least on Netbook I don't get a warning)
[21:01] <apachelogger> Quintasan: how is that gonna work without properz authing
[21:01] <apachelogger> and that requires sshing
[21:01] <apachelogger> and that requires a totally different approach altogether
[21:02] <apachelogger> + a key
[21:02] <apachelogger> come to think of it
[21:02] <apachelogger> where is my keyz
[21:03] <Quintasan> rsync > *
[21:04]  * apachelogger does not know the rsync
[21:04] <apachelogger> judging from i requiring special end-to-end software it is very much of the fail-by-design kind
[21:05] <shadeslayer> lol @ bug 296538
[21:05] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 296538 in ubuntu-wallpapers (Ubuntu) "warty-final-ubuntu.png is actually a jpeg" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/296538
[21:05] <Quintasan> lol
[21:06] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: got a second?
[21:06] <JontheEchidna> sure
[21:06] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: http://pastebin.ca/1909579 <-- this part of code is supposed to work, but it does not, how can I check what exacly is wrong?
[21:07] <yofel> shadeslayer: that's one of the bugs everyone knows about but no one cares to fix as it doesn't really break anything currently...
[21:07] <shadeslayer> :P
[21:07] <Quintasan> there are some kDebug in earlier lines commented but uncommenting them gives me nothing more in output
[21:07] <Quintasan> yofel: why the hell did they get there in first place? :O
[21:07] <yofel> Quintasan: see explenation in comment #8
[21:07] <Quintasan> bsides >warty   <--- isn't that old?
[21:08] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: ah, you may try checking kdebugdialog to see if kopete's kdebug output is turned on
[21:08] <maco> Quintasan: yes
[21:08] <yofel> Quintasan: well, at least the name is the same on all releases :P
[21:08] <apachelogger> no please do not call people old!
[21:08] <maco> Quintasan: instead of having a "default-wallpaper.png" symlink to the current release's wallpaper (like would be smart), they name it warty-final-ubuntu.png every release to make it auto-update your wallpaper
[21:09] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: kdebugdialog <-- is that some sort of env variable or what?
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: an app
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> !find kdebugdialog
[21:09] <maco> Quintasan: trouble is, its a bit hard to correct now...
[21:09] <ubottu> File kdebugdialog found in kde-l10n-ca, kde-l10n-da, kde-l10n-de, kde-l10n-engb, kde-l10n-es (and 91 others)
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> !find /usr/bin/kdebugdialog
[21:09] <ubottu> File /usr/bin/kdebugdialog found in kdebase-runtime, kdebase-runtime-dbg
[21:09] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: type it in krunner
[21:10] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: if kdebase workspace builds without mods, ill upload it
[21:10] <shadeslayer> im off for now
[21:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oh last thing
[21:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: are we still migrating to KDialog?
[21:10] <shadeslayer> or is QDialog ok? ( wrt update manager )
[21:11] <Quintasan> maco: lol
[21:11] <apachelogger> Oo
[21:11] <apachelogger> roflmaogafhaasfmiw
[21:11] <Quintasan> maco: are you serious? @_@
[21:11] <Quintasan> this is the funniest solution I've ever seen
[21:11] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: omfg, it is the debugging assisstant :O
[21:11]  * Quintasan was pretty stupid to treat that as env variable
[21:11] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: yup, kopete is all checked
[21:11] <maco> Quintasan: as far as i can tell, yep, thats what seems to have happened
[21:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: up to Riddell
[21:11] <JontheEchidna> hrmhrm
[21:11] <shadeslayer> kk
[21:11] <apachelogger> IMHO the whole darn thing needs to be redone
[21:11] <apachelogger> or removed
[21:11] <apachelogger> no one dares upgrading anyway
[21:11] <apachelogger> and those that do shouldnt
[21:11] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: qDebug will definitely spew things out to the konsole
[21:12] <JontheEchidna> s/q/k
[21:12] <apachelogger> leaves a whole lot less to rant about
[21:12] <JontheEchidna> er
[21:12] <JontheEchidna> s/k/q
[21:12] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: now, how to debug that particular if ?
[21:12] <maco> Quintasan: of course, it means you lose your old wallpapers on upgrade...
[21:12] <JontheEchidna> qDebug() << booleanVariable
[21:12] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: qdebug will only if built in debug mode!!!
[21:13] <Quintasan> maco: that's not really smart :/
[21:13]  * shadeslayer is wondering why anyone does not point to gdb
[21:13] <shadeslayer> gdb kopete
[21:13] <shadeslayer> and then run :D
[21:13] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: sure, I want to see the whole app spewning mem leaks at me
[21:13] <maco> Quintasan: lack of forethought?
[21:13] <apachelogger> so
[21:13] <ScottK> Someone should merge skrooge.
[21:13] <apachelogger> who is in charge of the ninjaing?!
[21:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: me and Quintasan
[21:14] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I can be considered as such
[21:14] <apachelogger> very well then
[21:14] <apachelogger> the wiki pag0r is the craps
[21:14] <Quintasan> cause shadeslayer was slacking off blaming the whole thing on btrfs ;)
[21:14] <shadeslayer> haha ^
[21:14] <apachelogger> because it does not link to the dep graph and because it does not mention the dep graph as something to hold onto
[21:14] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: its true tho
[21:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i just emptied the wiki page as is
[21:15] <shadeslayer> it didnt link to it earlier as well
[21:15] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://pastebin.com/g1NxkjFv << from #ubuntu kernel
[21:16] <yofel> shadeslayer: you *could* bind-mount /var/cache/pbuilder/build to some partition with another filesystem..
[21:16] <shadeslayer> now why didnt i think of that before
[21:17] <shadeslayer> yofel: im going to reinstall anyways now
[21:17] <Quintasan> apachelogger: tell that to shadeslayer, he modified the page :P
[21:17] <apachelogger> also.............
[21:17] <Quintasan> apachelogger: you should know the dependency graph by heart by now
[21:17] <apachelogger> I think it would be super sensible to mark the cells in blue that are blue in the dep graph (i.e. parents)
[21:17] <Quintasan> You are a ninja longer than me so how can you complain!
[21:17] <apachelogger> that way one quickly sees what most urgently needs to be done 
[21:17]  * Quintasan delegates the task to apachelogger 
[21:17] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I am also core-dev for quite some time and yet walk most processes by the lists in the wiki
[21:17] <apachelogger> lists of any sort help prevent screwups
[21:17] <apachelogger> and I am all for not screwing up 
[21:18] <ari-tczew> JontheEchidna: are you always checking bugs after upload?
[21:19] <shadeslayer> hrmmm... lag here
[21:19] <JontheEchidna> ari-tczew: no, but this time I forgot. sorry again :(
[21:19] <JontheEchidna> (phonon-backend-vlc, right?)
[21:20] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I think there was a switch to cmake to make the build a debug one, do you remeber what it was?
[21:20] <apachelogger> Quintasan: -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=debugfull if I am not mistaken
[21:21] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: btw apachelogger was the one who founded the ninjas
[21:21] <ari-tczew> JontheEchidna: in future please check bugs. be in MOTU doesn't mean that you're most important person in the world. yes, phonon-backend-vlc
[21:21] <JontheEchidna> I usually do
[21:22] <JontheEchidna> I mean "yes, but this time I forgot"
[21:22] <JontheEchidna> oh, wait, gah, confusing question
[21:22] <JontheEchidna> I do usually check bugs before requesting syncs
[21:22] <JontheEchidna> but this time I forgot
[21:23] <JontheEchidna> please don't take it personally.
[21:23] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: if you plan to upload kdegames, do check the changelog carefully, i commited a change a few days back
[21:24] <ari-tczew> JontheEchidna: I'm slowly getting used to such situations
[21:25] <JontheEchidna> ? I've only done it this once :/
[21:25] <JontheEchidna> and it was an accident
[21:25] <ari-tczew> JontheEchidna: not only from you
[21:26] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: It's happened to ari-tczew other times as well.
[21:27] <JontheEchidna> Ah, well I can see how that would be frustrating.
[21:31] <JontheEchidna> ScottK, ari-tczew: What happened here was that I saw that this needed merging yesterday, but didn't get around to it. (I was watching T.V. to be honest) Since it was only a 2-minute job I did it this morning without checking the tracker again.
[21:32] <shadeslayer> wow ^^
[21:32] <JontheEchidna> Once again, I'm very sorry, and I'll try my best not to let it happen again
[21:41] <Quintasan> hn
[21:41] <JontheEchidna> whee: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktophp7655
[21:42] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: I must be doing something wrong, I get no output related to notification :S
[21:42] <JontheEchidna> now there's an explanation for the case where binary name != package name
[21:42] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: hmm
[21:43] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: what file is that in?
[21:43] <JontheEchidna> relative to the kopete directory?
[21:43] <Quintasan> I tried kDebug now but nothing else
[21:43] <Quintasan> kopete/libkopete/private/kopeteviewmanager.cpp
[21:43] <JontheEchidna> and all the kopete stuff is checked in kdebugdialog?
[21:43] <JontheEchidna> (libkopete especially)
[21:43] <Quintasan> yes
[21:44] <JontheEchidna> you could try qDebug
[21:44] <JontheEchidna> if kDebug just isn't working
[21:44] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: do I need that booleanVariable there?
[21:45] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: workspace ftbfs..going to sleep :P
[21:45] <Quintasan> lazy shadeslayer 
[21:45] <Quintasan> :P
[21:45] <shadeslayer> dude
[21:45] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: well, if you want to know if it is true or false
[21:45] <shadeslayer> its 2 AM
[21:45] <shadeslayer> and i have to wake up at 7 AM to go to college
[21:45] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: for example qDebug() << !session->account()->isAway() would show if you were not away or... not
[21:45] <shadeslayer> :S
[21:45] <Quintasan> lol
[21:45] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: good luck
[21:46] <Quintasan> aaah
[21:46] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: ill finisht this tommorow 
[21:46] <JontheEchidna> and qDebug() << d->enableEventsWhileAway would show if events while away are enabled
[21:46] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: it's important where do I place that or that can be at the beginning of the loop?
[21:46] <JontheEchidna> I'd personally place them right before the if statement that they are part of
[21:47] <JontheEchidna> if you want, you can even do qDebug() << "some descriptive text" << boolean goes here;
[21:47] <JontheEchidna> g2g, bbl
[21:47] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: THANKS :P
[21:47] <Quintasan> oh, caps
[21:48] <apachelogger> what is with the weird tarballs on ktown?
[21:48] <Quintasan> apachelogger: svn<something>.tar.bz2?
[21:49] <apachelogger> yeah
[21:49] <Quintasan> beats me
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[21:49] <Quintasan> those are 4.4.92 IIRC
[21:50] <apachelogger> oo
[21:50] <apachelogger> can someone poke dirk about that?
[21:50] <apachelogger> woah
[21:50] <Quintasan> ?
[21:50] <apachelogger> the build-deps of kdebindings are a fucking battle field
[21:50] <Quintasan> :O
[21:54] <apachelogger> well then
[21:54] <apachelogger> anyone knows where bzr-buildpackage does look for tarballs now?
[21:55] <Quintasan> build-place?
[21:55] <apachelogger> once it was in source, then it was ../tarballs then it was ../build-area then it was tarballs/ 
[21:55] <apachelogger> ah ../tarballs looks good
[21:55] <apachelogger> if one names the tar correctly that is ^^
[21:55] <apachelogger> that deserves a script IMHO
[21:56] <Quintasan> apachelogger: hmm, know how can I redirect WHOLE output to grep? | fails cause debug info still gets in way
[21:56] <apachelogger> eh
[21:56] <apachelogger> | != redirect
[21:56] <Quintasan> it's a pipe
[21:56] <apachelogger> | == piping
[21:56] <apachelogger> > || < == redirecting
[21:57] <Quintasan> oh
[21:57] <apachelogger> that said
[21:57] <apachelogger> foo 2>&1 file > grep
[21:57] <apachelogger> or something like that
[21:57] <apachelogger> no clue how to get it to pipe stderr to grep
[21:57] <apachelogger> and no kubotu to google it :(
[21:58] <Quintasan> command 2>&1 >&3 3>&- | grep word  3>&-
[21:58] <Quintasan> lol
[21:59] <Quintasan> does not work
[21:59] <da-bayman> quick question. Im stuck at grub2 with a wubi installation. How do i know which kernel im running?
[21:59] <apachelogger> wah?
[21:59] <Quintasan> da-bayman: uname -a
[21:59] <apachelogger> Quintasan: &3?
[22:00] <apachelogger> what is 3?
[22:01] <Quintasan> beats me
[22:01] <Quintasan> some_command 2>&1 | another_command
[22:01] <da-bayman> that command doesn't work within grub
[22:01] <Quintasan> this worked
[22:01] <apachelogger> yeah
[22:01] <Quintasan> what the fcks
[22:01] <Quintasan> the whole isAway() seems broken
[22:01] <apachelogger> redirect stderr to stdout and then pipe that to grep
[22:02] <apachelogger>   libqt4-multimedia: Depends: libqtcore4 (= 4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu1) but 4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu3 is installed.
[22:02] <apachelogger>                      Depends: libqtgui4 (= 4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu1) but 4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu3 is installed.
[22:02] <apachelogger> rightly then
[22:02] <apachelogger> who broke that?
[22:03]  * Quintasan hides
[22:03] <apachelogger> eh
[22:03] <apachelogger> what the fez
[22:04] <Quintasan> I did not mess with Qt
[22:04] <apachelogger> root@osiris:/# apt-cache show libqt4-multimedia | grep Source
[22:04] <apachelogger> Source: qt4-x11
[22:04] <apachelogger> so
[22:04] <apachelogger> what happened there :O
[22:05] <apachelogger>    - Drop multimedia package, QtMultimediaKit in QtMobility replaces it
[22:05] <apachelogger> aight
[22:06] <apachelogger> E: The package 'qt-mobility' does not exist in the Ubuntu primary archive in 'maverick'
[22:06] <apachelogger> you know
[22:06] <apachelogger> ...
[22:07] <apachelogger> pyth0rnz!
[22:08] <ScottK> With the neverending line of private sources to apparently be built, nothing you upload will get built anyway.
[22:10] <apachelogger> and after a hour of research apachelogger found out that qtmobility-dev is the package he wants to transit to
[22:10] <apachelogger> changelogs++
[22:10] <ulysses> apachelogger: exam passed, now I can write the monthly report for Kubuntu Team if it is neccessary
[22:10] <apachelogger> ulysses: it is not necessary, it is desirable ;)
[22:10]  * apachelogger high-fives for the exam
[22:13]  * apachelogger thinks that this will not build with qtmultimediakit anyway -.-
[22:13] <apachelogger> regression++
[22:14] <apachelogger> yeah
[22:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: your removal of libqt4-multimedia renders libsmokeqtmultimedia4-3 dust?
[22:15] <Quintasan> apachelogger: session->account()->isAway();   <-- this will return true or false if the status is Away?
[22:15] <apachelogger> yes
[22:15] <Quintasan> >_<
[22:15] <Quintasan> true?
[22:16] <apachelogger> are you away? - true, I am away ... vs. ... false, I am not away :P
[22:16] <Quintasan> so !session->account()->isAway(); will return false on Away
[22:16] <Quintasan> who the hell made those if's
[22:17] <Quintasan> if ( ( !session->account()->isAway() || d->enableEventsWhileAway )
[22:17] <Quintasan> LOL
[22:17] <Quintasan> this is retarded
[22:17] <apachelogger> read
[22:17] <Quintasan> or I am
[22:18] <apachelogger> if you are not away OR events are enabled wile away
[22:18] <Quintasan> so that's not the if I'm looking for
[22:18] <Quintasan> grr
[22:19] <Quintasan> wait
[22:19] <Quintasan> if that's not it
[22:19] <Quintasan> then, it is not in the code at all? >_<
[22:20] <apachelogger> what is your problem anyway?
[22:20] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I want Kopete to DISABLE notification when I'm Away or Busy
[22:20] <Quintasan> there is an option for that but it doesnt work
[22:21] <Quintasan> I was wondering is it getting option right
[22:21] <Quintasan> and it does
[22:22] <apachelogger> doesnt enableEventsWhileAway sound like that?
[22:22] <Quintasan> it sounds like that
[22:22] <Quintasan> but it doesn't work
[22:22] <apachelogger> but?
[22:22] <Quintasan> that's the point
[22:22] <apachelogger> well 
[22:22] <apachelogger> the condition is if you are not away or enableEventsWhileAway
[22:22] <apachelogger> enableEventsWhileAway is probaby a bool
[22:22] <Quintasan> it is a bool
[22:22] <apachelogger> so
[22:23] <ulysses> oh my god https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Teams/Reports
[22:23] <apachelogger> if (!away || enableEventsWhileAway)
[22:23] <apachelogger> oh
[22:23] <apachelogger> fuck
[22:23] <apachelogger> BAH
[22:23] <apachelogger> DSSDGAgJGJHJ
[22:23] <apachelogger> powerdevil--
[22:23] <Quintasan> wtf
[22:25] <apachelogger> so
[22:25] <Quintasan> apachelogger: If I ever get that to work the patch will be so ugly that devs will ban me from channel for trolling
[22:26] <Quintasan> :P
[22:26] <apachelogger> when there is a filetransfer going on
[22:26] <apachelogger> there is clearly nothing happening
[22:26] <apachelogger> so we can suspend
[22:26] <apachelogger> right?
[22:26] <Quintasan> LOL
[22:26] <Quintasan> apachelogger++
[22:26] <Quintasan> ulysses: this page....is...a little bit empty? :P
[22:26] <apachelogger> not to be ranting, but kopete code is ugly by kubuntu coding standards anyway ;)
[22:27] <Quintasan> kopete needs a rewrite
[22:27] <Quintasan> why the hell they don't do that
[22:27] <Quintasan> great
[22:28] <ulysses> Quintasan: a little bit
[22:28] <apachelogger> because it is a shitload of work
[22:28] <apachelogger> and there are too few people
[22:28] <Quintasan> which noone wants to do
[22:29] <Quintasan> man, I would pay few bucks to get that fcking kdelibs import fixd
[22:29] <Quintasan> apachelogger: great, now I know the options are set right
[22:29] <ulysses> :)
[22:29]  * apachelogger is really wondering why he only gets 300kbs over ssh
[22:30] <Quintasan> so the major question is, why the fck it's not working
[22:30] <apachelogger> Quintasan: how do you know? ^^
[22:30] <Quintasan> QDEBUG STUFF: Is away? true
[22:30] <Quintasan> apachelogger: ^
[22:31] <Quintasan> and I'm currently Busy on Jabber
[22:31] <apachelogger> that does not mean that enableEventsWhileAway is appropriate
[22:31] <Quintasan> I check for that too
[22:31] <apachelogger> and since it is a logical or condition either can be right
[22:31] <Quintasan> and it is false
[22:31] <Quintasan> beacuse I set it to disable them
[22:32] <Quintasan> the option is "Enable events notifications while Away"
[22:32] <Quintasan> unchecked should yield false
[22:32] <Quintasan> @_@
[22:32] <Quintasan> HOLY SHIT
[22:32] <apachelogger> right
[22:33] <Quintasan> apachelogger: You're on jabber now?
[22:33] <apachelogger> was there a time when I was not?
[22:33] <apachelogger> or do you mean online right now?
[22:33] <Quintasan> dunno :P
[22:33] <Quintasan> online
[22:33] <apachelogger> not online
[22:33] <apachelogger> sec
[22:33] <Quintasan> apachelogger: quintasan@jabster.pl <-- send me some messages
[22:33] <apachelogger> now
[22:34] <apachelogger> Quintasan: auth auth
[22:34] <Quintasan> hahaha
[22:34] <Quintasan> strange
[22:35] <Quintasan> apachelogger: you see, it works
[22:35] <Quintasan> but
[22:35] <Quintasan> if you have no notifications
[22:35] <Quintasan> it displays one
[22:35] <apachelogger> eh?
[22:35] <Quintasan> then next do not get displayed
[22:35] <apachelogger> Oo
[22:35] <Quintasan> send some more
[22:36] <Quintasan> no notifications
[22:36] <Quintasan> :O
[22:36] <Quintasan> apachelogger: spam something now
[22:36] <Quintasan> exacly
[22:37] <apachelogger> well is isAway or eanbleEventsWhileAway at any time not what it is supposed to be?
[22:37] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I have a strange feeling that bugzilla will tell you to solve this by having one notification displayed beforehand
[22:37] <Quintasan> :P
[22:37] <Quintasan> let me check
[22:37] <Quintasan> apachelogger: send something
[22:38] <Quintasan> nope
[22:38] <Quintasan> is away == true and events == false
[22:38] <apachelogger> what does the if do?
[22:38] <Quintasan> and I get notification for first one
[22:39] <Quintasan> from my lame perspective
[22:39] <Quintasan> it sets no notifications
[22:40] <Quintasan> apachelogger: http://pastebin.ca/1909624
[22:40] <Quintasan> this is the if
[22:41] <apachelogger> OHHHHH
[22:41] <apachelogger> OHHHHHHHHHH
[22:41] <apachelogger> dude
[22:41] <apachelogger> :P
[22:41] <Quintasan> wrong if?
[22:41] <Quintasan> :P
[22:41] <apachelogger>         if ( ( !session->account()->isAway() || d->enableEventsWhileAway )
[22:41] <apachelogger>              && msg.direction() != Kopete::Message::Internal )
[22:41] <apachelogger> thats is the whole if
[22:41] <apachelogger> it is two lined
[22:41] <Quintasan> yes it is
[22:41] <apachelogger> you did not say that :P
[22:42] <Quintasan> apachelogger: http://imagebin.ca/view/T1r-4O.html
[22:42] <Quintasan> like this
[22:42] <apachelogger> OTOH
[22:42] <Quintasan> means it's baaad
[22:42] <Quintasan> ?
[22:42] <Quintasan> OTOH?
[22:43] <apachelogger> well, both conditions would need to be true, since !away || events is never true though the whole condition is never true
[22:43] <apachelogger> unless I am suffering from almost-midnight-syndrom
[22:44] <Quintasan> how do you explain next messages not throwing notifications?
[22:45] <apachelogger> Quintasan: add another debug inside the if
[22:46] <Quintasan> apachelogger: the inner or outer? :P
[22:46] <Quintasan> oh
[22:46] <Quintasan> god damn
[22:46] <apachelogger> the one that is throwing the notification :P
[22:47] <apachelogger> hm...
[22:47] <apachelogger> if ( appendMessageEvent || showNotification )
[22:48] <apachelogger> actually that if would be responsible for notification
[22:48] <apachelogger> so maybe also add debugs to those looking into those two variables
[22:48] <apachelogger> appendMessageEvent could be true if you have message queing on if I understand this correctly
[22:49] <Quintasan> let me check for status of that
[22:50] <Quintasan> it is enabled in here
[22:50] <apachelogger> appendMessageEvent?
[22:50] <apachelogger> always?
[22:50] <Quintasan> oh, I did not add that
[22:50] <Quintasan> let me check that first if thought
[22:51] <Quintasan> apachelogger: spam some now
[22:52] <Quintasan> great. the first one gets notification and then no spam
[22:52] <Quintasan> and no QDebug stuff
[22:52] <apachelogger> can you please throw me the output?
[22:52] <Quintasan> the whole crap?
[22:53] <apachelogger> well all the releveat stuff ;)
[22:53] <Quintasan> after inserting that qDebug into the f ( ( !session->account()->isAway() || d->enableEventsWhileAway ) I get nothing
[22:54] <apachelogger> eh
[22:54] <apachelogger> well
[22:54] <apachelogger> sec
[22:55] <Quintasan> grr
[22:56] <apachelogger> Quintasan: http://pastebin.ca/1909637
[22:56] <apachelogger> try that
[22:57] <apachelogger> meh
[22:57] <apachelogger> bindings is only at 40 % -.-
[22:59] <Quintasan> apachelogger: get a faster computer
[22:59] <Quintasan> :P
[22:59] <apachelogger> I am :P
[22:59] <Quintasan> what is ur machine now?
[22:59] <ulysses> Quintasan: from you?:P
[23:00] <Quintasan> ulysses: from lex at least
[23:00] <Quintasan> lex is the fastest kde builder
[23:00]  * ulysses have an Intel T3000
[23:00] <apachelogger> well
[23:01] <Quintasan> damn u apachelogger, I forgot to prefix all QDEBUG messages
[23:01] <apachelogger> prefix?
[23:01] <Quintasan> yes
[23:01] <apachelogger> whatfor?
[23:01] <Quintasan> to filter them with grep
[23:01] <apachelogger> dude
[23:01] <apachelogger> ditch me the log and I will filter your arse :P
[23:01] <Quintasan> I get tons of raw xmpp beforehand
[23:02]  * apachelogger is wondering where his second cat5 got lost to
[23:03] <Quintasan> cat5?
[23:03] <apachelogger> netwerx
[23:03] <apachelogger> Quintasan: so where is the log?
[23:03] <Quintasan> building
[23:04] <apachelogger> man
[23:04] <Quintasan> THE CODE MUST BE PURIFIED
[23:04] <apachelogger> get a faster computer
[23:04] <Quintasan> intel core i5 @ 4GIGAHUNTZ with 4 gb ramz
[23:04] <Quintasan> problem?
[23:04] <apachelogger> i7 is supreme
[23:05] <Quintasan> You have i7?
[23:05] <apachelogger> I will by the end of the week
[23:05] <ulysses> Intel Dual-Core T3000 @ 1,8 GHz with 2 GB DDR3 :(
[23:05] <apachelogger> possibly twice
[23:05] <apachelogger> once in a desktop
[23:05] <apachelogger> and once in a mobile
[23:05] <Quintasan> so don't act so mighty now!
[23:05] <apachelogger> so that we shall icecream
[23:05] <Quintasan> repair the hook first
[23:05] <apachelogger> because really, icecreaming IMHO is much more efficient than one fast cpu
[23:07] <Quintasan> fff
[23:07] <Quintasan> apachelogger: spam now
[23:07] <Quintasan> great
[23:09] <Quintasan> apachelogger: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/69524/log.bz2
[23:09] <Quintasan> enjoy ur OVER 9000 lines of raw xmpp log
[23:09] <apachelogger> crybaby
[23:10] <Quintasan> qDebug() << "QDEBUG: monster if is true...";
[23:10] <Quintasan> doesn't show up
[23:10] <Quintasan> is this good?
[23:11] <apachelogger> corse not
[23:11] <apachelogger> because I am supreme
[23:11] <apachelogger> QDEBUG: appendMessageEvent: true 
[23:11] <apachelogger> QDEBUG: showNotification: false 
[23:11] <apachelogger> QDEBUG: showNotification is now true!! 
[23:11] <apachelogger> as suspected
[23:11] <apachelogger> I bet with you if you turn of queuing you will get no notification :P
[23:11] <Quintasan> spam plox
[23:12] <Quintasan> apachelogger: ^
[23:12] <Quintasan> hmm
[23:12] <apachelogger> if ( appendMessageEvent || showNotification )
[23:12] <apachelogger> I think that should be &&
[23:12] <Quintasan> apachelogger: spam nao
[23:12] <apachelogger> you are offz
[23:12] <Quintasan> haha
[23:12] <Quintasan> see
[23:12] <Quintasan> you can't disable it :O
[23:13] <apachelogger> why not?
[23:13] <Quintasan> there is Open message instantly
[23:13] <Quintasan> Use message queuing
[23:13] <apachelogger> turn that off too :P
[23:13] <apachelogger> oh
[23:13] <Quintasan> and a check box Queue unread messages
[23:14] <apachelogger> well
[23:14] <apachelogger> if ( appendMessageEvent || showNotification )
[23:14] <apachelogger> is the problem
[23:14] <Quintasan> should be &&?
[23:14] <apachelogger> in particular that appendMessageEvent is always true becuase either you queue or show instantly and with show instantly you would override the notification anyway
[23:14] <Quintasan> as I expected that
[23:14] <apachelogger> so I think this should be &&, because there is a parenting if that checks for inbound messages only
[23:14] <Quintasan> but KDE magic is magical
[23:15] <apachelogger> and if showNotification is false for such a beasty then appendmessageevent should be disregarded eitherway
[23:15] <Quintasan> grr
[23:15] <apachelogger> Quintasan: if the kopete devs do not approach that change then they may reason why that || makes sense :P
[23:16] <apachelogger> because I do not see none
[23:16] <apachelogger> also
[23:16] <apachelogger> if ( msg.from() && d->eventList.isEmpty() )
[23:16] <apachelogger> needs to be changed
[23:16] <apachelogger> to set shownotification to false
[23:16] <apachelogger> the general flow is ... check if notification should be displayed at all (first if)
[23:17] <Quintasan> apachelogger: are you spamming me now?
[23:17] <apachelogger> if that is true and we use a message queue it should check if the queue is empty and if it is not not show the message
[23:17] <apachelogger> so you need to invert the logic in that first if inside the failure if
[23:17] <apachelogger> otherwise you create a new bug 
[23:18] <Quintasan> okay, now the notification is not showing AND kopete icon is not spinning
[23:18] <Quintasan> as I have received no messages
[23:18] <apachelogger> hm
[23:18] <apachelogger> right
[23:18] <apachelogger> now it makes sense ^^
[23:19] <apachelogger> Quintasan: if ( msg.from() && d->eventList.isEmpty() )
[23:19] <apachelogger> invert that one instead
[23:19] <apachelogger> that way shownotification can only become false other than in the if that checks for awayness
[23:20]  * apachelogger hopes that was understandable ^^
[23:21] <Quintasan> so if ( appendMessageEvent && showNotification )   == if ( appendMessageEvent || showNotification )
[23:21] <Quintasan> and I should make if ( msg.from() && d->eventList.isEmpty() ) set showNotification to false?
[23:22] <apachelogger> almost
[23:22] <apachelogger> the latter should be inverted completely
[23:22] <apachelogger> just making it set showNotification to false would be, well, wrong
[23:23] <apachelogger> you need to invert the condition itself 
[23:23] <Quintasan> urgh De Morgans law's was it?
[23:23] <apachelogger> AND then set showNotification to false
[23:23] <JontheEchidna> how goes it?
[23:23] <Quintasan> apachelogger: if ( !msg.from() || !d->eventList.isEmpty() )   ?
[23:24]  * Quintasan did that based on maths logic
[23:25] <apachelogger> works, but another option is closer at hand ;)
[23:25] <Quintasan> so maths logic applies to c magic \o/
[23:26] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I would go with !(foo && bar) for readablity
[23:26] <Quintasan> oh well
[23:26] <apachelogger> also it makes your diff more understandable since it becomes obvious that you invert the logic ;)
[23:26] <Quintasan> and with maths logic laws it would expand to what I did back there
[23:27] <apachelogger> yeah, they are equivalent, but that does not mean that from a code style POV they are :P
[23:28] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: Quintasan is fixing the kopete
[23:28] <Quintasan> what the hell
[23:28] <apachelogger> hm
[23:28] <apachelogger> dpkg-deb: building package `python-kde4-doc' in `../python-kde4-doc_4.4.95-0ubuntu1_all.deb'.
[23:28] <apachelogger> dpkg-buildpackage: error: fakeroot debian/rules binary gave error exit status 2
[23:28] <apachelogger> E: Failed autobuilding of package
[23:28] <apachelogger> that is the odd
[23:28] <ScottK> Riddell: The trick that no one mentioned at UDS for Kolab server stuff is it also needs PHP patching.  PHP is in Main and server team gets annoyed if I break it.
[23:29] <Quintasan> PYTHON :d
[23:29] <Quintasan> apachelogger: :D
[23:29]  * apachelogger runs in verbose
[23:30] <apachelogger> ahhh
[23:30] <apachelogger> dh_install: cp -a debian/tmp/usr/include/smoke/qtmultimedia_smoke.h debian/libsmokeqt4-dev//usr/include/smoke/ returned exit code 1
[23:30] <apachelogger> makes more sense
[23:30] <Quintasan> apachelogger: spam!
[23:30] <Quintasan> haha
[23:30] <Quintasan> show notifications
[23:30] <Quintasan> :P
[23:31] <Quintasan> wait
[23:31] <Quintasan> apachelogger: http://pastebin.ca/1909664
[23:31] <Quintasan> That's what I did
[23:31] <Quintasan> and it shows all notifications now
[23:31] <apachelogger> oh is it not working?
[23:31] <Quintasan> :P
[23:32] <apachelogger> all notification?
[23:32] <apachelogger> ah yeah
[23:32] <apachelogger> see
[23:32] <apachelogger> you did not listen
[23:32] <Quintasan> false
[23:32] <Quintasan> damn
[23:32] <apachelogger> right
[23:32] <ulysses> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/TeamReports
[23:33] <ulysses> As in the HowTo was written
[23:33] <Quintasan> apachelogger: do want some delicious b's
[23:33] <Quintasan> YEAH
[23:33] <Quintasan> cookies for apachelogger 
[23:33] <Quintasan> try now
[23:33] <Quintasan> yes!
[23:33] <Quintasan> this is alive
[23:34] <Quintasan> more cookies for apachelogger
[23:34] <apachelogger> I would add a comment though, to ensure that people only change the var to false from that if(!away... onwards
[23:35] <apachelogger> otherwise this might break again in the future
[23:35] <Quintasan> let me clean up this mess fist
[23:35] <apachelogger> I am sure JontheEchidna can sponsor ^^
[23:35] <apachelogger> he is a great KDE SVN sponsor ^^
[23:36] <CIA-98> [plasma-runner-installer] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20100727223613-cm0my0re3nlq771y * installerrunner.cpp Quotation marks around the package name
[23:36] <JontheEchidna> ^^
[23:36] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes libsmokeqtmultimedia4-3 is dust
[23:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: poor thing :)
[23:37] <apachelogger> well I think that was the only thing that stood in the way of bindings building
[23:37] <apachelogger> Quintasan: btw, my tip with installing kdelibs5-dev in the cow is speeding up things a lot
[23:37] <Riddell> apachelogger: if you did a screenshot of that kcm in English and with normal theme colours it would be more intelligable
[23:38] <apachelogger> ^^
[23:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: it is only about the sidebar thing
[23:38] <apachelogger> (which is in english :P)
[23:38] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I didn't to that with --save-after-login, let me try :P
[23:39] <apachelogger> Riddell: the folder parts would have folderlists to edit and some description above, and the general section information like username and autostart and throttling and stuff
[23:39] <CIA-98> [plasma-runner-installer] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20100727223858-vgd8wr4s29tw0do2 * installerrunner.cpp Include cleanups, plus less kDebug()
[23:40] <ulysses> After adding the header: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/TeamReports
[23:42] <apachelogger> ulysses: looking good, now it just needs some advertising :)
[23:42] <apachelogger> like the kubuntu-devel and kubuntu-users lists
[23:42] <apachelogger> although
[23:42] <Riddell> apachelogger: putting it with the other shares modules does seem sensible
[23:42] <apachelogger> maybe someone wants to add something still
[23:43] <Quintasan> I want!
[23:43] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah, I was intending tabs first, but that is really horrible, also not having tabs leaves more freedom with how to design the general settings "page"
[23:44] <apachelogger> also with the web page we can make up for settings that are yet missing ^^
[23:44] <apachelogger> Quintasan: please go ahead
[23:44] <apachelogger> everyone else please also take a quick look at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/TeamReports and add/enhance if you wish :)
[23:47] <Quintasan> there you go
[23:47] <Quintasan> apachelogger: be sure to refresh the page
[23:49] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/69524/kopete_notifications.patch   <-- <3
[23:49] <ScottK> Where's the switch to turn m-i on/off in kmail?
[23:50] <Riddell> Quintasan: what's that for?
[23:50] <Quintasan> Riddell: kde bug Bug 184113
[23:50] <ubottu> Bug 184113 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/184113 is private
[23:50] <Quintasan> grr
[23:50] <Quintasan> kde bug 184113
[23:50] <ubottu> KDE bug 184113 in Notifications "No apparent way to disable events while status is Busy" [Normal,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=184113
[23:52] <Riddell> ScottK: not honestly sure
[23:53] <ScottK> agateau told me where to turn it on, but now I don't remember ....
[23:56] <ulysses> time to sleep in UTC+2 (CEST), good night!
[23:56] <Quintasan> ulysses: night
[23:57] <Riddell> sweet dreams