| humphreybc | godbyk: I see that German is almost ready to be released :D | 03:16 |
|---|---|---|
| godbyk | humphreybc: yep | 03:18 |
| humphreybc | what other languages are close? | 03:18 |
| godbyk | no clue. | 03:18 |
| godbyk | haven't heard from any other editors yet. | 03:18 |
| humphreybc | https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/lucid-e1/+translations | 03:19 |
| humphreybc | german is way down the page | 03:19 |
| humphreybc | same with greek | 03:19 |
| godbyk | yeah, I don't know what's up with the translation stuff these days. | 03:20 |
| humphreybc | lol | 03:20 |
| godbyk | launchpad's translation stuff frightens and confuses me. | 03:20 |
| godbyk | I've given up trying to figure it out. | 03:20 |
| humphreybc | lol | 03:21 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: so.. still up for a 29 July release of the second edition? | 03:33 |
| godbyk | I haven't been paying any attention to what's been happening with it. | 03:33 |
| godbyk | I know some bugs have been fixed. | 03:33 |
| godbyk | but beyond that, I don't know how many bugs remain or anything. | 03:34 |
| humphreybc | definitely | 03:38 |
| humphreybc | we should be okay | 03:38 |
| humphreybc | wait | 03:39 |
| humphreybc | that's 2 days away | 03:39 |
| godbyk | yep | 03:39 |
| humphreybc | when's the next point release for lucid? | 03:39 |
| godbyk | I don't know. | 03:39 |
| humphreybc | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-July/031016.html | 03:40 |
| humphreybc | "Due to not having a full-time release manager" << They should have hired me. | 03:40 |
| humphreybc | so we can release on the 29th or on the 12th august, whatever suits us | 03:40 |
| godbyk | heh.. great. | 03:41 |
| godbyk | lol. have you heard back from them? | 03:41 |
| humphreybc | no | 03:41 |
| humphreybc | the position has been taken down, presumed it was filled | 03:41 |
| godbyk | interesting. | 03:41 |
| humphreybc | i guess I suck at managing :P | 03:41 |
| godbyk | well, then.. do we want to release on the 29th or the 12th? | 03:42 |
| nisshh | humphreybc: they probably got your application and went "oh, no! not humphreybc!" | 03:42 |
| humphreybc | honestly, you know more about the project at the moment than me | 03:42 |
| humphreybc | i've been rather absent as of late | 03:42 |
| godbyk | What kind of changes go into the point release of ubuntu? | 03:42 |
| humphreybc | just bug fixes | 03:42 |
| godbyk | anything we should wait on to ensure our edition matches their point release? | 03:42 |
| humphreybc | nah | 03:42 |
| humphreybc | it's behind the scenes stuff | 03:42 |
| nisshh | godbyk: all the UI tweaks? | 03:42 |
| humphreybc | did you look at that list? | 03:43 |
| humphreybc | nisshh: no UI tweaks | 03:43 |
| humphreybc | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-10.04.1 | 03:43 |
| nisshh | humphreybc: what about all the sound menu stuff? | 03:43 |
| humphreybc | nisshh: no that's for maverick | 03:43 |
| nisshh | oh THAT ubuntu release :) | 03:43 |
| humphreybc | a point release is just a bug fix | 03:43 |
| nisshh | thought you meant maverick | 03:43 |
| nisshh | hehe | 03:43 |
| humphreybc | nope | 03:43 |
| humphreybc | I put android 2.2 on my magic yesterday | 03:45 |
| nisshh | nice? | 03:45 |
| humphreybc | it's great | 03:45 |
| nisshh | stable? | 03:45 |
| humphreybc | my phone is actually now a joy to use | 03:45 |
| humphreybc | yeah it's stable, cyanogen mod 6 rc2 | 03:45 |
| godbyk | They fixed most the bugs/complaints I had. | 03:45 |
| nisshh | cool | 03:45 |
| humphreybc | you know, it's FAST and you don't get frustrated when things don't appear for 20 seconds | 03:45 |
| godbyk | I'm just using the stock froyo. | 03:46 |
| humphreybc | and the keyboard is responsive now | 03:46 |
| * nisshh cant even afford a new comp, so no new android for him... | 03:46 | |
| humphreybc | you've got a nexus one right kevin? | 03:46 |
| godbyk | yeah | 03:46 |
| humphreybc | yeah | 03:46 |
| humphreybc | i bet yours is really fast | 03:46 |
| humphreybc | the magic is underpowered | 03:46 |
| nisshh | did you see the guys who put ubuntu on the N1? | 03:46 |
| godbyk | it seems pretty fast. | 03:46 |
| humphreybc | have you got the fancy new gallery? | 03:46 |
| godbyk | it could always be faster, though. :) | 03:46 |
| * godbyk is impatient. | 03:46 | |
| nisshh | heh | 03:46 |
| humphreybc | I still don't think android is as fast as iphones | 03:47 |
| humphreybc | but i've never dried any of the new uber fast phones like the Droid X | 03:47 |
| humphreybc | tried* | 03:47 |
| humphreybc | the best feature for me when going from 1.6 - 2.1 was the addition of the new "universal contact" thing | 03:47 |
| nisshh | humphreybc: i think we should be grateful that there IS an alternative to the iphone :) | 03:47 |
| humphreybc | and the fact that facebook and twitter syncs with your contacts and downloads profile pictures from facebook, so when you scroll through contacts they all have pictures. It's so good. | 03:48 |
| humphreybc | the market still needs a lot of work though, too many shithouse apps | 03:48 |
| nisshh | yea | 03:48 |
| godbyk | yeah, I wish I could sort the apps by rating or something. | 03:48 |
| humphreybc | godbyk: do you know if Google has any kind of control / screening for apps so people don't create malicious ones? | 03:48 |
| humphreybc | I can't imagine it's totally free for all | 03:49 |
| godbyk | they did add an 'update all' button, though. that killed one of my peeves. | 03:49 |
| humphreybc | update all is good | 03:49 |
| humphreybc | godbyk: do you SMS? | 03:49 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: they pulled one app from the store and uninstalled it from people's phones because of that. | 03:49 |
| humphreybc | so they don't have any prevention | 03:49 |
| godbyk | someone created a pseudo-malicious app as a test of security. | 03:49 |
| godbyk | it didn't do any damage or anything, but google pulled it. | 03:49 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: I didn't used to, but I do occasionally now. | 03:50 |
| humphreybc | http://www.downloadsquad.com/2010/06/28/understanding-the-android-market-security-system/ | 03:50 |
| humphreybc | godbyk: when you send and SMS to someone, in the thread, it shows their picture, and it's meant to show your picture beside "Me" | 03:50 |
| humphreybc | but all I get is a gray box - do you get one as well? | 03:50 |
| humphreybc | I can't change it or anything, and it's bugging me to no end | 03:50 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/06/exercising-our-remote-application.html | 03:50 |
| godbyk | I get a grey android icon if there's no profile pic for them. | 03:51 |
| humphreybc | lame | 03:51 |
| humphreybc | i just get a gray box | 03:51 |
| godbyk | but the contacts I talk to regularly have profile pics (either from facebook, google accounts, or one that I've set manually) | 03:51 |
| humphreybc | no i mean for ME | 03:51 |
| humphreybc | not for them | 03:51 |
| humphreybc | for the text messages I send | 03:51 |
| humphreybc | there is no picture for me | 03:52 |
| humphreybc | I thought it would have pulled it from my google profile or my facebook profile | 03:52 |
| godbyk | oh! | 03:52 |
| godbyk | I dunno.. lemme look. | 03:52 |
| godbyk | in the Messaging app, there's a pic by my name. | 03:54 |
| humphreybc | lame | 03:55 |
| humphreybc | maybe it'll update eventually | 03:55 |
| nisshh | godbyk: ah, that reminds me | 03:55 |
| godbyk | in the Talk app, it's just a grey icon for me, though. | 03:55 |
| godbyk | nisshh: what's that? | 03:55 |
| nisshh | godbyk: iv taken over the Ubuntu Developers Manual from Rick, but i dont really know enough tex/latex stuff | 03:56 |
| nisshh | godbyk: you know, all that formatting stuff | 03:56 |
| nisshh | all iv figured out so far is how to include chapters | 03:56 |
| nisshh | godbyk: could you point me at some good docs or something? | 03:57 |
| godbyk | nisshh: sure. there was just a link I saw about that earlier. let me find it. | 03:59 |
| humphreybc | Y'know what's annoying? | 03:59 |
| nisshh | godbyk: cool, thanks | 03:59 |
| nisshh | humphreybc: no, whats annoying? | 03:59 |
| humphreybc | This down time we have in between releases where it's too early to write new stuff | 03:59 |
| nisshh | yea | 04:00 |
| humphreybc | I'm running maverick at the moment and there isn't much we can write about, and we certainly can't take screenshots yet | 04:00 |
| godbyk | nisshh: here it is: http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/11/what-is-the-best-book-to-start-learning-latex | 04:00 |
| nisshh | iv been out of sync with whats happening though, so i havent noticed | 04:00 |
| nisshh | godbyk: awesome, thanks | 04:00 |
| godbyk | I've been busy with other work, so I haven't been spending too much time with the manual project lately. | 04:01 |
| godbyk | Seems like everyone else has been busy elsewhere, too. | 04:01 |
| godbyk | I'm glad we're getting these translations out, though. | 04:01 |
| godbyk | It'll definitely get easier (and more streamlined) as we go on. | 04:01 |
| nisshh | godbyk: what the hell? im getting some kind of error | 04:01 |
| godbyk | nisshh: ah, crap. that site's still in private beta. | 04:02 |
| nisshh | yea | 04:02 |
| godbyk | one of the links they provide is this: http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/info/beginlatex/beginlatex-3.6.pdf which appears to be pretty decent. | 04:02 |
| godbyk | let me paste some other links, too. | 04:02 |
| nisshh | ok | 04:02 |
| godbyk | http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX | 04:02 |
| humphreybc | godbyk: I know, the translations are great. I'm looking forward to announcing the german one on planet ubuntu | 04:02 |
| godbyk | http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/Wiki/index.php/LaTeX:About | 04:03 |
| godbyk | http://math.bard.edu/bloch/basicLaTeX.pdf | 04:03 |
| nisshh | godbyk: and these wikibooks and pdfs teach you all the formatting and everything? | 04:03 |
| godbyk | nisshh: well, they'll teach you the formatting commands for latex, and tell you about some of the packages that are available. | 04:04 |
| nisshh | godbyk: right, cool | 04:04 |
| godbyk | if you want a book that covers everything, I'd recommend The LaTeX Companion by Mittelbach and Goossens. | 04:04 |
| nisshh | ok | 04:04 |
| godbyk | It's a huge tome that covers a ton of packages and everything. | 04:04 |
| nisshh | yea | 04:04 |
| nisshh | i probably dont need to know everything]\ | 04:04 |
| godbyk | nisshh: Are you wanting to have your own book design? | 04:04 |
| nisshh | just more than i currently do | 04:05 |
| godbyk | in that case, the earlier links will probably suffice. | 04:05 |
| nisshh | well, currently the dev manual looks almost exactly like our manual | 04:05 |
| nisshh | because Rick took the initial code from e1 | 04:05 |
| godbyk | ok | 04:05 |
| nisshh | so i thought we dont really want them to look the same | 04:06 |
| nisshh | plus i need to learn how to do all the title page stuff | 04:06 |
| godbyk | right. | 04:07 |
| nisshh | and learn all the commands | 04:07 |
| godbyk | What I usually recommend with regard to book design is to write the content first. And then we'll design the book around that content. | 04:07 |
| nisshh | geez, thats alot of stuff | 04:07 |
| nisshh | yea, thats the plan | 04:07 |
| godbyk | The content will tell us what kind of formatting and styles we'll need. | 04:07 |
| godbyk | I'm happy to help out with the book design side of things, too. | 04:07 |
| nisshh | i am already seeing trends with the content | 04:08 |
| nisshh | and we only have 3 or 4 chapters drafted in there | 04:08 |
| nisshh | that would be great if you could help out | 04:08 |
| nisshh | but probably not necessary until later | 04:08 |
| nisshh | godbyk: was it vish who did the title page for the manual? | 04:09 |
| godbyk | I think vish made the icons, but I think the final design was thorwil's. | 04:10 |
| nisshh | right | 04:10 |
| godbyk | I could be wrong, though, it was a while back. :) | 04:10 |
| nisshh | yea, hehe | 04:10 |
| godbyk | Do you have a repository for the content so far? | 04:13 |
| humphreybc | be back in a sec, rebooting into windowz | 04:14 |
| nisshh | godbyk: yep, just let me grab you a link | 04:14 |
| godbyk | 'kay | 04:14 |
| nisshh | godbyk: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-developer-manual/ubuntu-developer-manual/trunk | 04:15 |
| godbyk | got it. | 04:18 |
| nisshh | godbyk: im not sure when Rick grabbed the stuff from e1 or if he grabbed it from e2 | 04:19 |
| nisshh | but i suspect its from at least 4-6 weeks ago | 04:19 |
| godbyk | yeah, I helped him find all the files he needed. | 04:19 |
| godbyk | I don't recall which branch I had him snag. | 04:19 |
| nisshh | yea | 04:19 |
| godbyk | I need to merge some stuff from e1 to e2 anyway. | 04:20 |
| godbyk | (mostly translation-related tweaks) | 04:20 |
| nisshh | yep | 04:20 |
| nisshh | is it worth getting stuff from e2 and putting it with what i already have? | 04:20 |
| godbyk | probably not yet. | 04:20 |
| nisshh | fair enough | 04:21 |
| godbyk | there are also likely a few ubuntu-manual-specific things in the document class that should be moved elsewhere, too. | 04:21 |
| godbyk | but we can deal with all that when we do the book design. | 04:21 |
| nisshh | godbyk: what i have so far has pretty much everything i need i think | 04:21 |
| godbyk | okay | 04:21 |
| nisshh | yea | 04:21 |
| godbyk | anything that's notably different from the ubuntu manual? | 04:22 |
| nisshh | i dont think so | 04:22 |
| nisshh | apart from the content | 04:22 |
| godbyk | anything in particular you want to do differently design-wise? | 04:22 |
| godbyk | (if not then our work's mostly done. ;-)) | 04:22 |
| nisshh | well, i just thought it would be shitty to have both manuals look almost identical | 04:23 |
| godbyk | It depends on a few factors, I guess: | 04:23 |
| godbyk | 1. If you want the book to appear like part of a series/collection of related books (of which the Ubuntu Manual is a part), then you'll want the designs to be shared. | 04:24 |
| godbyk | 2. If the design meets the needs of the content, then why fret about whether it's similar to another book's design? | 04:24 |
| godbyk | 3. If you want to make a point that this book isn't associated with / related to the Ubuntu manual, then you may want a different design. | 04:25 |
| godbyk | 4. If your book's content doesn't require the same design elements, then you'll want a diff. design. | 04:25 |
| godbyk | 5. I forgot what the fifth point was. | 04:25 |
| godbyk | :) | 04:25 |
| nisshh | shit, i never thought of any of those :) | 04:26 |
| nisshh | godbyk: how come your so damn smart? | 04:26 |
| nisshh | :) | 04:26 |
| godbyk | heh.. I read a lot. :) | 04:26 |
| godbyk | at some point, we (being the Ubuntu Manual Project) will need to talk about the book design for the Maverick edition. Do we want to keep the same design? Just make a few tweaks? Overhaul the design? | 04:27 |
| nisshh | yea | 04:27 |
| nisshh | now that you have mentioned it i suppose both manuals are sort of under the same banner arent they? | 04:28 |
| nisshh | so the designed should be similar, if not the same | 04:28 |
| nisshh | with maybe the exception of the title page | 04:29 |
| godbyk | The current design is, of course, not perfect, either. There are definitely some things I want to tweak. :) | 04:29 |
| nisshh | such as? | 04:29 |
| godbyk | Is there a deadline for the release of your manual? | 04:29 |
| nisshh | we were hoping for a maverick final release, but i dont think we will get there | 04:30 |
| nisshh | so id say, no, there is no deadline | 04:30 |
| godbyk | I need to tweak the typeface size and line spacing a bit. I want to find a better way to code the underlying margin note stuff (but that may be outside the scope of a simple design tweak). | 04:31 |
| nisshh | yep | 04:31 |
| godbyk | It'd be nice if the new Ubuntu font could be incorporated -- we'll see how that goes. | 04:31 |
| nisshh | yea, that would be nice actually | 04:31 |
| godbyk | And then there's the brand new Ubuntu/Canonical branding stuff. We may want to incorporate some elements from that. | 04:32 |
| nisshh | yea | 04:32 |
| nisshh | are all the screenshots the same size in the manual? | 04:32 |
| godbyk | they're the same resolution and scale. | 04:33 |
| nisshh | ah | 04:33 |
| godbyk | but from one language to the next, the scale may differ. | 04:33 |
| nisshh | i was just going to say, you could save file size of the pdf if each screenshot was relative to whats in it | 04:34 |
| nisshh | for example: | 04:34 |
| nisshh | a sound menu screenshot does not need to be 800px wide in the pdf | 04:35 |
| godbyk | oh, right. yeah, the screenshots are cropped to show only what's relevant. there are very few full-screen images. | 04:35 |
| nisshh | if that was cropped right down, a decent chunk of bytes could be chopped out of the pdf | 04:35 |
| nisshh | ah ok | 04:36 |
| nisshh | godbyk: as it stands, the dev manual will be much smaller than the other manual, due to less screenshots and shorter and fewer chapters | 04:37 |
| nisshh | there will probably be less than 25 screenshots in it | 04:37 |
| godbyk | Gotcha. | 04:38 |
| godbyk | What's being covered in the dev manual? | 04:38 |
| nisshh | the manual is about creating your own small app while working through each chapter | 04:38 |
| nisshh | so you end up with a nice little identica reader app at the end | 04:39 |
| godbyk | A tutorial for writing a new app with Ubuntu? Neat! | 04:39 |
| nisshh | yea | 04:39 |
| godbyk | If I may make a suggestion: any code examples you provide in the manual should be the best practice or best way of accomplishing that. | 04:39 |
| nisshh | some of the stuff covered is: quickly, quickly-widgets, glade, desktopcouch, U1, etc | 04:40 |
| godbyk | Because that code will be copied and pasted from that point forward. | 04:40 |
| nisshh | your exactly right | 04:40 |
| godbyk | So if your code is the 'easy but insecure' way of doing something, that'll be the code that finds its way into applications. And then the applications will be insecure. | 04:40 |
| nisshh | but you also have to remember that we are trying to keep it as simple as possible | 04:40 |
| godbyk | Yeah, that's always the problem. | 04:40 |
| nisshh | i guess we will have to find a balance in between simple and good code | 04:41 |
| godbyk | But far too often, I see programming manuals/tutorials that give a couple lines of code and then make an off-hand remark about 'this is really a bad way to do this, but we don't want to confuse you with scary details on how to do it the proper way'. | 04:41 |
| godbyk | and that code ends up getting copied verbatim. | 04:41 |
| nisshh | yea | 04:41 |
| nisshh | but we have already solved part of that problem: quickly | 04:42 |
| nisshh | generates known good code by default | 04:42 |
| godbyk | quickly sounds intriguing. I haven't had time to look at it yet, though. | 04:42 |
| nisshh | its pretty cool | 04:42 |
| nisshh | but not for people who can code like mad :) | 04:42 |
| nisshh | if you know your stuff, your better off not using it | 04:43 |
| godbyk | is it fairly limiting? | 04:43 |
| godbyk | what's the downside? | 04:43 |
| nisshh | well, yes and no | 04:43 |
| nisshh | one sec | 04:44 |
| nisshh | right | 04:44 |
| nisshh | quickly generates templates | 04:44 |
| nisshh | which you dont HAVE to use | 04:44 |
| humphreybc | godbyk: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/android/thread?tid=3a41f790937732e1&hl=en | 04:44 |
| nisshh | humphreybc: that was one LONG reboot | 04:45 |
| nisshh | :) | 04:45 |
| humphreybc | oh no i just didn't open pidgin for a while | 04:45 |
| nisshh | right..... | 04:45 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: aha. my number is Unknown. | 04:46 |
| godbyk | so I have to find a way to edit the number on the sim card? | 04:46 |
| humphreybc | apparently | 04:48 |
| humphreybc | i've read through all the replies, none seem to work | 04:49 |
| godbyk | I don't have another phone handy that can read sim cards. | 04:49 |
| godbyk | well, my old german handy might.. but I doubt it has a charge anymore. | 04:49 |
| humphreybc | me neither | 04:49 |
| vish | nisshh: yup , what godbyk said , i did the alpha one with wolter's lynx | 04:50 |
| godbyk | If the iPhone can edit the SIM card, why can't my N1? | 04:50 |
| godbyk | hey, vish! | 04:50 |
| humphreybc | it's stupid isn't it | 04:50 |
| vish | godbyk: heya :) | 04:50 |
| humphreybc | you'd think the android could | 04:50 |
| humphreybc | sup vish | 04:50 |
| nisshh | vish: right, but did you do the final e1 version? | 04:50 |
| nisshh | or was that thorwil? | 04:50 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: yeah, you would. | 04:50 |
| godbyk | vish: how's it going? haven't chatted with you in forever, it seems. | 04:51 |
| vish | nisshh: final was thorwil with me doing a few icons | 04:51 |
| nisshh | vish: right | 04:51 |
| vish | godbyk: gah , busy .. :( | 04:51 |
| humphreybc | has to continue designing a t shirt | 04:52 |
| humphreybc | oops, forgot the me thing | 04:52 |
| godbyk | vish: I hear ya. Same here. I think everyone's been busy the past few months. | 04:52 |
| vish | humphreybc: t shirt? for OMG? | 04:54 |
| humphreybc | vish: nope, for uni :P | 04:54 |
| humphreybc | but i have a truckload of OMG! work to do | 04:54 |
| vish | humphreybc: hehe that site is gaining a life of its own! | 04:54 |
| humphreybc | not just omg ubuntu | 04:55 |
| vish | humphreybc: omg suse is also by do0d ? wow! i just thought it was someone else doing the same stuff... I guess he ran out of OMG news in Ubuntu ;p | 04:55 |
| humphreybc | i'm working on a new site | 04:55 |
| humphreybc | we own a number of sites :) | 04:55 |
| humphreybc | omg suse is written by someone else though | 04:55 |
| nisshh | what site are you working on humphreybc? | 04:56 |
| humphreybc | nisshh: ubuntu gamer | 04:56 |
| humphreybc | and a new site that we're launching later in the year that I can't tell you about :) | 04:56 |
| * nisshh lets out an excited squeak! | 04:57 | |
| nisshh | humphreybc: im a member of the au loco and we just recently started our own gaming clan :) | 04:58 |
| humphreybc | groovy | 04:58 |
| nisshh | :) | 04:58 |
| nisshh | wow | 05:38 |
| nisshh | i just saw a giant netsplit happen in 6 channels at once | 05:38 |
| godbyk | Yeah, I was feeling pretty lonely here. | 05:39 |
| nisshh | meh | 05:40 |
| humphreybc | heh | 05:43 |
| humphreybc | I was here godbyk | 05:44 |
| godbyk | It said you had abandoned me, too, humphreybc. | 05:44 |
| humphreybc | aw | 05:44 |
| nisshh | lol | 05:46 |
| nisshh | group hug? | 05:46 |
| * godbyk opens his arms | 05:48 | |
| godbyk | what, nobody? | 05:48 |
| * humphreybc hugs back | 05:49 | |
| godbyk | yay! | 05:49 |
| nisshh | wait for me! | 05:50 |
| nisshh | not my fault im lagging! | 05:50 |
| godbyk | aw, and here I thought you'd shunned me, nisshh! :) | 05:52 |
| nisshh | never! | 05:53 |
| godbyk | hey, nisshh: is there a nice wiki page for a C programmer who wants to get started with helping Ubuntu (as a C developer)? | 06:06 |
| godbyk | something that lists ways they can help. (write patches for bugs, join an existing project team, start a new project, etc.) | 06:06 |
| godbyk | I guess this might work: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | 06:07 |
| nisshh | godbyk: dude, you do know im a python programmer, not a C programmer right? | 06:10 |
| godbyk | yeah. | 06:10 |
| godbyk | I just figured you might know what getting-started-as-a-developer guides were out there. | 06:10 |
| nisshh | but i am learning C | 06:10 |
| nisshh | ah, right | 06:10 |
| godbyk | I just got an email from someone who's a C programmer (embedded systems, mostly) who wanted to get started helping out Ubuntu. (He's been using it for 2-3 years.) | 06:11 |
| nisshh | godbyk: well, there arent really ubuntu-dev guides out there | 06:11 |
| nisshh | right | 06:11 |
| godbyk | I know. Get busy! :) | 06:11 |
| nisshh | hehe | 06:11 |
| nisshh | just tell him to find an app written in C or something | 06:11 |
| nisshh | or a part of ubuntu written in C | 06:12 |
| nisshh | and tell him to hack on it or fix bugs | 06:12 |
| godbyk | I pointed him to that link and suggested he could start by submitting patches to bugs or find a project he's interested in and contact the dev team and offer to help. | 06:12 |
| nisshh | yea | 06:12 |
| nisshh | compiz 0.9 is written in C | 06:13 |
| godbyk | I thought they were rewriting it in C++. | 06:13 |
| nisshh | but alot of projects use python now | 06:13 |
| nisshh | it was C i thought | 06:13 |
| godbyk | I think it was originally C and is/was being rewritten in C++. | 06:14 |
| godbyk | From compiz.org: "The latest release of Compiz is 0.8.6. A C++ rewrite has been announced on 24th December 2009 and is about (June 2010) to be released as a beta version. This is a major rework of the whole project, aimed at easing future development." | 06:14 |
| nisshh | ah right | 06:15 |
| nisshh | always get mized up with C and C++ | 06:15 |
| godbyk | Apparently C programmers do, too. :-P | 06:15 |
| nisshh | lol | 06:15 |
| godbyk | (I have to refactor so much C++ code written by C programmers. "C++ is just C with classes, right?" Gah!) | 06:16 |
| nisshh | hehe | 06:16 |
| * nisshh uses python for exacly that reason | 06:16 | |
| nisshh | exactly* | 06:16 |
| godbyk | I'm writing a little python script right now to parse some CSV files, mash the data together, and spit out some line graphs and some stats. | 06:17 |
| godbyk | But I rarely write python code, so it's quite messy at the moment and needs to be rewritten from scratch. | 06:18 |
| godbyk | (also, since I don't get to use python much, I don't know most of the pythonic ways of doing things, so it's probably grossly inefficient) | 06:18 |
| nisshh | yea | 06:21 |
| godbyk | Hey, thorwil. If you get some time today, could you whip up one of your famous wraparound covers? :) | 09:05 |
| thorwil | godbyk: i'm about to get to it | 09:06 |
| godbyk | It's past my bedtime. G'night! | 09:06 |
| godbyk | thorwil: Awesome. Thanks! | 09:06 |
| thorwil | nite! | 09:06 |
| godbyk | After that, I think we'll be ready for the release of the German translation -- unless you're aware of any last minute bugs we need to fix. | 09:06 |
| godbyk | Gute Nacht! | 09:07 |
| pkramerruiz | Hi everyone! | 13:18 |
| pkramerruiz | Can anyone tell me if the developers of "software-sources" have an channel-sources? | 13:18 |
| pkramerruiz | Cause I want to run the process for selecting the best Mirror server, every time before making an update to some program, for obtain more speed downloading | 13:18 |
| dutchie | pkramerruiz: i don't think there is a channel just for the software sources app | 13:19 |
| dutchie | pkramerruiz: to be honest, once you've picked a mirror, it's not really worth checking all of the speeds every time | 13:19 |
| godbyk | Hey, thorwil. Thanks for the cover! | 17:57 |
| thorwil | hi godbyk. np | 17:58 |
| godbyk | thorwil: did you notice anything else that we need to do before releasing the german edition? or shall I assume all is well and that I can proceed? | 17:58 |
| thorwil | godbyk: didn't look beyond the cover, don't intend to change that now ;) | 18:02 |
| godbyk | thorwil: fair enough. :) | 18:17 |
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