[03:16] <humphreybc> godbyk: I see that German is almost ready to be released :D
[03:18] <godbyk> humphreybc: yep
[03:18] <humphreybc> what other languages are close?
[03:18] <godbyk> no clue.
[03:18] <godbyk> haven't heard from any other editors yet.
[03:19] <humphreybc> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/lucid-e1/+translations
[03:19] <humphreybc> german is way down the page
[03:19] <humphreybc> same with greek
[03:20] <godbyk> yeah, I don't know what's up with the translation stuff these days.
[03:20] <humphreybc> lol
[03:20] <godbyk> launchpad's translation stuff frightens and confuses me.
[03:20] <godbyk> I've given up trying to figure it out.
[03:21] <humphreybc> lol
[03:33] <godbyk> humphreybc: so.. still up for a 29 July release of the second edition?
[03:33] <godbyk> I haven't been paying any attention to what's been happening with it.
[03:33] <godbyk> I know some bugs have been fixed.
[03:34] <godbyk> but beyond that, I don't know how many bugs remain or anything.
[03:38] <humphreybc> definitely
[03:38] <humphreybc> we should be okay
[03:39] <humphreybc> wait
[03:39] <humphreybc> that's 2 days away
[03:39] <godbyk> yep
[03:39] <humphreybc> when's the next point release for lucid?
[03:39] <godbyk> I don't know.
[03:40] <humphreybc> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-July/031016.html
[03:40] <humphreybc> "Due to not having a full-time release manager" << They should have hired me.
[03:40] <humphreybc> so we can release on the 29th or on the 12th august, whatever suits us
[03:41] <godbyk> heh.. great.
[03:41] <godbyk> lol. have you heard back from them?
[03:41] <humphreybc> no
[03:41] <humphreybc> the position has been taken down, presumed it was filled
[03:41] <godbyk> interesting.
[03:41] <humphreybc> i guess I suck at managing :P
[03:42] <godbyk> well, then.. do we want to release on the 29th or the 12th?
[03:42] <nisshh> humphreybc: they probably got your application and went "oh, no! not humphreybc!"
[03:42] <humphreybc> honestly, you know more about the project at the moment than me
[03:42] <humphreybc> i've been rather absent as of late
[03:42] <godbyk> What kind of changes go into the point release of ubuntu?
[03:42] <humphreybc> just bug fixes
[03:42] <godbyk> anything we should wait on to ensure our edition matches their point release?
[03:42] <humphreybc> nah
[03:42] <humphreybc> it's behind the scenes stuff
[03:42] <nisshh> godbyk: all the UI tweaks?
[03:43] <humphreybc> did you look at that list?
[03:43] <humphreybc> nisshh: no UI tweaks
[03:43] <humphreybc> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-10.04.1
[03:43] <nisshh> humphreybc: what about all the sound menu stuff?
[03:43] <humphreybc> nisshh: no that's for maverick
[03:43] <nisshh> oh THAT ubuntu release :)
[03:43] <humphreybc> a point release is just a bug fix
[03:43] <nisshh> thought you meant maverick
[03:43] <nisshh> hehe
[03:43] <humphreybc> nope
[03:45] <humphreybc> I put android 2.2 on my magic yesterday
[03:45] <nisshh> nice?
[03:45] <humphreybc> it's great
[03:45] <nisshh> stable?
[03:45] <humphreybc> my phone is actually now a joy to use
[03:45] <humphreybc> yeah it's stable, cyanogen mod 6 rc2
[03:45] <godbyk> They fixed most the bugs/complaints I had.
[03:45] <nisshh> cool
[03:45] <humphreybc> you know, it's FAST and you don't get frustrated when things don't appear for 20 seconds
[03:46] <godbyk> I'm just using the stock froyo.
[03:46] <humphreybc> and the keyboard is responsive now
[03:46]  * nisshh cant even afford a new comp, so no new android for him...
[03:46] <humphreybc> you've got a nexus one right kevin?
[03:46] <godbyk> yeah
[03:46] <humphreybc> yeah
[03:46] <humphreybc> i bet yours is really fast
[03:46] <humphreybc> the magic is underpowered
[03:46] <nisshh> did you see the guys who put ubuntu on the N1?
[03:46] <godbyk> it seems pretty fast.
[03:46] <humphreybc> have you got the fancy new gallery?
[03:46] <godbyk> it could always be faster, though. :)
[03:46]  * godbyk is impatient.
[03:46] <nisshh> heh
[03:47] <humphreybc> I still don't think android is as fast as iphones
[03:47] <humphreybc> but i've never dried any of the new uber fast phones like the Droid X
[03:47] <humphreybc> tried*
[03:47] <humphreybc> the best feature for me when going from 1.6 - 2.1 was the addition of the new "universal contact" thing
[03:47] <nisshh> humphreybc: i think we should be grateful that there IS an alternative to the iphone :)
[03:48] <humphreybc> and the fact that facebook and twitter syncs with your contacts and downloads profile pictures from facebook, so when you scroll through contacts they all have pictures. It's so good.
[03:48] <humphreybc> the market still needs a lot of work though, too many shithouse apps
[03:48] <nisshh> yea
[03:48] <godbyk> yeah, I wish I could sort the apps by rating or something.
[03:48] <humphreybc> godbyk: do you know if Google has any kind of control / screening for apps so people don't create malicious ones?
[03:49] <humphreybc> I can't imagine it's totally free for all
[03:49] <godbyk> they did add an 'update all' button, though.  that killed one of my peeves.
[03:49] <humphreybc> update all is good
[03:49] <humphreybc> godbyk: do you SMS?
[03:49] <godbyk> humphreybc: they pulled one app from the store and uninstalled it from people's phones because of that.
[03:49] <humphreybc> so they don't have any prevention
[03:49] <godbyk> someone created a pseudo-malicious app as a test of security.
[03:49] <godbyk> it didn't do any damage or anything, but google pulled it.
[03:50] <godbyk> humphreybc: I didn't used to, but I do occasionally now.
[03:50] <humphreybc> http://www.downloadsquad.com/2010/06/28/understanding-the-android-market-security-system/
[03:50] <humphreybc> godbyk: when you send and SMS to someone, in the thread, it shows their picture, and it's meant to show your picture beside "Me"
[03:50] <humphreybc> but all I get is a gray box - do you get one as well?
[03:50] <humphreybc> I can't change it or anything, and it's bugging me to no end
[03:50] <godbyk> humphreybc: http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/06/exercising-our-remote-application.html
[03:51] <godbyk> I get a grey android icon if there's no profile pic for them.
[03:51] <humphreybc> lame
[03:51] <humphreybc> i just get a gray box
[03:51] <godbyk> but the contacts I talk to regularly have profile pics (either from facebook, google accounts, or one that I've set manually)
[03:51] <humphreybc> no i mean for ME
[03:51] <humphreybc> not for them
[03:51] <humphreybc> for the text messages I send
[03:52] <humphreybc> there is no picture for me
[03:52] <humphreybc> I thought it would have pulled it from my google profile or my facebook profile
[03:52] <godbyk> oh!
[03:52] <godbyk> I dunno.. lemme look.
[03:54] <godbyk> in the Messaging app, there's a pic by my name.
[03:55] <humphreybc> lame
[03:55] <humphreybc> maybe it'll update eventually
[03:55] <nisshh> godbyk: ah, that reminds me
[03:55] <godbyk> in the Talk app, it's just a grey icon for me, though.
[03:55] <godbyk> nisshh: what's that?
[03:56] <nisshh> godbyk: iv taken over the Ubuntu Developers Manual from Rick, but i dont really know enough tex/latex stuff
[03:56] <nisshh> godbyk: you know, all that formatting stuff
[03:56] <nisshh> all iv figured out so far is how to include chapters
[03:57] <nisshh> godbyk: could you point me at some good docs or something?
[03:59] <godbyk> nisshh: sure. there was just a link I saw about that earlier. let me find it.
[03:59] <humphreybc> Y'know what's annoying?
[03:59] <nisshh> godbyk: cool, thanks
[03:59] <nisshh> humphreybc: no, whats annoying?
[03:59] <humphreybc> This down time we have in between releases where it's too early to write new stuff
[04:00] <nisshh> yea
[04:00] <humphreybc> I'm running maverick at the moment and there isn't much we can write about, and we certainly can't take screenshots yet
[04:00] <godbyk> nisshh: here it is: http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/11/what-is-the-best-book-to-start-learning-latex
[04:00] <nisshh> iv been out of sync with whats happening though, so i havent noticed
[04:00] <nisshh> godbyk: awesome, thanks
[04:01] <godbyk> I've been busy with other work, so I haven't been spending too much time with the manual project lately.
[04:01] <godbyk> Seems like everyone else has been busy elsewhere, too.
[04:01] <godbyk> I'm glad we're getting these translations out, though.
[04:01] <godbyk> It'll definitely get easier (and more streamlined) as we go on.
[04:01] <nisshh> godbyk: what the hell? im getting some kind of error
[04:02] <godbyk> nisshh: ah, crap. that site's still in private beta.
[04:02] <nisshh> yea
[04:02] <godbyk> one of the links they provide is this: http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/info/beginlatex/beginlatex-3.6.pdf which appears to be pretty decent.
[04:02] <godbyk> let me paste some other links, too.
[04:02] <nisshh> ok
[04:02] <godbyk> http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX
[04:02] <humphreybc> godbyk: I know, the translations are great. I'm looking forward to announcing the german one on planet ubuntu
[04:03] <godbyk> http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/Wiki/index.php/LaTeX:About
[04:03] <godbyk> http://math.bard.edu/bloch/basicLaTeX.pdf
[04:03] <nisshh> godbyk: and these wikibooks and pdfs teach you all the formatting and everything?
[04:04] <godbyk> nisshh: well, they'll teach you the formatting commands for latex, and tell you about some of the packages that are available.
[04:04] <nisshh> godbyk: right, cool
[04:04] <godbyk> if you want a book that covers everything, I'd recommend The LaTeX Companion by Mittelbach and Goossens.
[04:04] <nisshh> ok
[04:04] <godbyk> It's a huge tome that covers a ton of packages and everything.
[04:04] <nisshh> yea
[04:04] <nisshh> i probably dont need to know everything]\
[04:04] <godbyk> nisshh: Are you wanting to have your own book design?
[04:05] <nisshh> just more than i currently do
[04:05] <godbyk> in that case, the earlier links will probably suffice.
[04:05] <nisshh> well, currently the dev manual looks almost exactly like our manual
[04:05] <nisshh> because Rick took the initial code from e1
[04:05] <godbyk> ok
[04:06] <nisshh> so i thought we dont really want them to look the same
[04:06] <nisshh> plus i need to learn how to do all the title page stuff
[04:07] <godbyk> right.
[04:07] <nisshh> and learn all the commands
[04:07] <godbyk> What I usually recommend with regard to book design is to write the content first.  And then we'll design the book around that content.
[04:07] <nisshh> geez, thats alot of stuff
[04:07] <nisshh> yea, thats the plan
[04:07] <godbyk> The content will tell us what kind of formatting and styles we'll need.
[04:07] <godbyk> I'm happy to help out with the book design side of things, too.
[04:08] <nisshh> i am already seeing trends with the content
[04:08] <nisshh> and we only have 3 or 4 chapters drafted in there
[04:08] <nisshh> that would be great if you could help out
[04:08] <nisshh> but probably not necessary until later
[04:09] <nisshh> godbyk: was it vish who did the title page for the manual?
[04:10] <godbyk> I think vish made the icons, but I think the final design was thorwil's.
[04:10] <nisshh> right
[04:10] <godbyk> I could be wrong, though, it was a while back. :)
[04:10] <nisshh> yea, hehe
[04:13] <godbyk> Do you have a repository for the content so far?
[04:14] <humphreybc> be back in a sec, rebooting into windowz
[04:14] <nisshh> godbyk: yep, just let me grab you a link
[04:14] <godbyk> 'kay
[04:15] <nisshh> godbyk: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-developer-manual/ubuntu-developer-manual/trunk
[04:18] <godbyk> got it.
[04:19] <nisshh> godbyk: im not sure when Rick grabbed the stuff from e1 or if he grabbed it from e2
[04:19] <nisshh> but i suspect its from at least 4-6 weeks ago
[04:19] <godbyk> yeah, I helped him find all the files he needed.
[04:19] <godbyk> I don't recall which branch I had him snag.
[04:19] <nisshh> yea
[04:20] <godbyk> I need to merge some stuff from e1 to e2 anyway.
[04:20] <godbyk> (mostly translation-related tweaks)
[04:20] <nisshh> yep
[04:20] <nisshh> is it worth getting stuff from e2 and putting it with what i already have?
[04:20] <godbyk> probably not yet.
[04:21] <nisshh> fair enough
[04:21] <godbyk> there are also likely a few ubuntu-manual-specific things in the document class that should be moved elsewhere, too.
[04:21] <godbyk> but we can deal with all that when we do the book design.
[04:21] <nisshh> godbyk: what i have so far has pretty much everything i need i think
[04:21] <godbyk> okay
[04:21] <nisshh> yea
[04:22] <godbyk> anything that's notably different from the ubuntu manual?
[04:22] <nisshh> i dont think so
[04:22] <nisshh> apart from the content
[04:22] <godbyk> anything in particular you want to do differently design-wise?
[04:22] <godbyk> (if not then our work's mostly done. ;-))
[04:23] <nisshh> well, i just thought it would be shitty to have both manuals look almost identical
[04:23] <godbyk> It depends on a few factors, I guess:
[04:24] <godbyk> 1. If you want the book to appear like part of a series/collection of related books (of which the Ubuntu Manual is a part), then you'll want the designs to be shared.
[04:24] <godbyk> 2. If the design meets the needs of the content, then why fret about whether it's similar to another book's design?
[04:25] <godbyk> 3. If you want to make a point that this book isn't associated with / related to the Ubuntu manual, then you may want a different design.
[04:25] <godbyk> 4. If your book's content doesn't require the same design elements, then you'll want a diff. design.
[04:25] <godbyk> 5. I forgot what the fifth point was.
[04:25] <godbyk> :)
[04:26] <nisshh> shit, i never thought of any of those :)
[04:26] <nisshh> godbyk: how come your so damn smart?
[04:26] <nisshh> :)
[04:26] <godbyk> heh.. I read a lot. :)
[04:27] <godbyk> at some point, we (being the Ubuntu Manual Project) will need to talk about the book design for the Maverick edition.  Do we want to keep the same design?  Just make a few tweaks?  Overhaul the design?
[04:27] <nisshh> yea
[04:28] <nisshh> now that you have mentioned it i suppose both manuals are sort of under the same banner arent they?
[04:28] <nisshh> so the designed should be similar, if not the same
[04:29] <nisshh> with maybe the exception of the title page
[04:29] <godbyk> The current design is, of course, not perfect, either.  There are definitely some things I want to tweak. :)
[04:29] <nisshh> such as?
[04:29] <godbyk> Is there a deadline for the release of your manual?
[04:30] <nisshh> we were hoping for a maverick final release, but i dont think we will get there
[04:30] <nisshh> so id say, no, there is no deadline
[04:31] <godbyk> I need to tweak the typeface size and line spacing a bit.  I want to find a better way to code the underlying margin note stuff (but that may be outside the scope of a simple design tweak).
[04:31] <nisshh> yep
[04:31] <godbyk> It'd be nice if the new Ubuntu font could be incorporated -- we'll see how that goes.
[04:31] <nisshh> yea, that would be nice actually
[04:32] <godbyk> And then there's the brand new Ubuntu/Canonical branding stuff. We may want to incorporate some elements from that.
[04:32] <nisshh> yea
[04:32] <nisshh> are all the screenshots the same size in the manual?
[04:33] <godbyk> they're the same resolution and scale.
[04:33] <nisshh> ah
[04:33] <godbyk> but from one language to the next, the scale may differ.
[04:34] <nisshh> i was just going to say, you could save file size of the pdf if each screenshot was relative to whats in it
[04:34] <nisshh> for example:
[04:35] <nisshh> a sound menu screenshot does not need to be 800px wide in the pdf
[04:35] <godbyk> oh, right.  yeah, the screenshots are cropped to show only what's relevant.  there are very few full-screen images.
[04:35] <nisshh> if that was cropped right down, a decent chunk of bytes could be chopped out of the pdf
[04:36] <nisshh> ah ok
[04:37] <nisshh> godbyk: as it stands, the dev manual will be much smaller than the other manual, due to less screenshots and shorter and fewer chapters
[04:37] <nisshh> there will probably be less than 25 screenshots in it
[04:38] <godbyk> Gotcha.
[04:38] <godbyk> What's being covered in the dev manual?
[04:38] <nisshh> the manual is about creating your own small app while working through each chapter
[04:39] <nisshh> so you end up with a nice little identica reader app at the end
[04:39] <godbyk> A tutorial for writing a new app with Ubuntu? Neat!
[04:39] <nisshh> yea
[04:39] <godbyk> If I may make a suggestion: any code examples you provide in the manual should be the best practice or best way of accomplishing that.
[04:40] <nisshh> some of the stuff covered is: quickly, quickly-widgets, glade, desktopcouch, U1, etc
[04:40] <godbyk> Because that code will be copied and pasted from that point forward.
[04:40] <nisshh> your exactly right
[04:40] <godbyk> So if your code is the 'easy but insecure' way of doing something, that'll be the code that finds its way into applications.  And then the applications will be insecure.
[04:40] <nisshh> but you also have to remember that we are trying to keep it as simple as possible
[04:40] <godbyk> Yeah, that's always the problem.
[04:41] <nisshh> i guess we will have to find a balance in between simple and good code
[04:41] <godbyk> But far too often, I see programming manuals/tutorials that give a couple lines of code and then make an off-hand remark about 'this is really a bad way to do this, but we don't want to confuse you with scary details on how to do it the proper way'.
[04:41] <godbyk> and that code ends up getting copied verbatim.
[04:41] <nisshh> yea
[04:42] <nisshh> but we have already solved part of that problem: quickly
[04:42] <nisshh> generates known good code by default
[04:42] <godbyk> quickly sounds intriguing.  I haven't had time to look at it yet, though.
[04:42] <nisshh> its pretty cool
[04:42] <nisshh> but not for people who can code like mad :)
[04:43] <nisshh> if you know your stuff, your better off not using it
[04:43] <godbyk> is it fairly limiting?
[04:43] <godbyk> what's the downside?
[04:43] <nisshh> well, yes and no
[04:44] <nisshh> one sec
[04:44] <nisshh> right
[04:44] <nisshh> quickly generates templates
[04:44] <nisshh> which you dont HAVE to use
[04:44] <humphreybc> godbyk: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/android/thread?tid=3a41f790937732e1&hl=en
[04:45] <nisshh> humphreybc: that was one LONG reboot
[04:45] <nisshh> :)
[04:45] <humphreybc> oh no i just didn't open pidgin for a while
[04:45] <nisshh> right.....
[04:46] <godbyk> humphreybc: aha.  my number is Unknown.
[04:46] <godbyk> so I have to find a way to edit the number on the sim card?
[04:48] <humphreybc> apparently
[04:49] <humphreybc> i've read through all the replies, none seem to work
[04:49] <godbyk> I don't have another phone handy that can read sim cards.
[04:49] <godbyk> well, my old german handy might.. but I doubt it has a charge anymore.
[04:49] <humphreybc> me neither
[04:50] <vish> nisshh: yup , what godbyk said , i did the alpha one with wolter's lynx
[04:50] <godbyk> If the iPhone can edit the SIM card, why can't my N1?
[04:50] <godbyk> hey, vish!
[04:50] <humphreybc> it's stupid isn't it
[04:50] <vish> godbyk: heya :)
[04:50] <humphreybc> you'd think the android could
[04:50] <humphreybc> sup vish
[04:50] <nisshh> vish: right, but did you do the final e1 version?
[04:50] <nisshh> or was that thorwil?
[04:50] <godbyk> humphreybc: yeah, you would.
[04:51] <godbyk> vish: how's it going? haven't chatted with you in forever, it seems.
[04:51] <vish> nisshh: final was thorwil with me doing a few icons
[04:51] <nisshh> vish: right
[04:51] <vish> godbyk: gah , busy .. :(
[04:52] <humphreybc> has to continue designing a t shirt
[04:52] <humphreybc> oops, forgot the me thing
[04:52] <godbyk> vish: I hear ya. Same here.  I think everyone's been busy the past few months.
[04:54] <vish> humphreybc: t shirt?  for OMG?
[04:54] <humphreybc> vish: nope, for uni :P
[04:54] <humphreybc> but i have a truckload of OMG! work to do
[04:54] <vish> humphreybc: hehe that site is gaining a life of its own!
[04:55] <humphreybc> not just omg ubuntu
[04:55] <vish> humphreybc: omg suse is also by do0d ? wow! i just thought it was someone else doing the same stuff... I guess he ran out of OMG news in Ubuntu ;p
[04:55] <humphreybc> i'm working on a new site
[04:55] <humphreybc> we own a number of sites :)
[04:55] <humphreybc> omg suse is written by someone else though
[04:56] <nisshh> what site are you working on humphreybc?
[04:56] <humphreybc> nisshh: ubuntu gamer
[04:56] <humphreybc> and a new site that we're launching later in the year that I can't tell you about :)
[04:57]  * nisshh lets out an excited squeak!
[04:58] <nisshh> humphreybc: im a member of the au loco and we just recently started our own gaming clan :)
[04:58] <humphreybc> groovy
[04:58] <nisshh> :)
[05:38] <nisshh> wow
[05:38] <nisshh> i just saw a giant netsplit happen in 6 channels at once
[05:39] <godbyk> Yeah, I was feeling pretty lonely here.
[05:40] <nisshh> meh
[05:43] <humphreybc> heh
[05:44] <humphreybc> I was here godbyk
[05:44] <godbyk> It said you had abandoned me, too, humphreybc.
[05:44] <humphreybc> aw
[05:46] <nisshh> lol
[05:46] <nisshh> group hug?
[05:48]  * godbyk opens his arms
[05:48] <godbyk> what, nobody?
[05:49]  * humphreybc hugs back
[05:49] <godbyk> yay!
[05:50] <nisshh> wait for me!
[05:50] <nisshh> not my fault im lagging!
[05:52] <godbyk> aw, and here I thought you'd shunned me, nisshh! :)
[05:53] <nisshh> never!
[06:06] <godbyk> hey, nisshh: is there a nice wiki page for a C programmer who wants to get started with helping Ubuntu (as a C developer)?
[06:06] <godbyk> something that lists ways they can help.  (write patches for bugs, join an existing project team, start a new project, etc.)
[06:07] <godbyk> I guess this might work: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment
[06:10] <nisshh> godbyk: dude, you do know im a python programmer, not a C programmer right?
[06:10] <godbyk> yeah.
[06:10] <godbyk> I just figured you might know what getting-started-as-a-developer guides were out there.
[06:10] <nisshh> but i am learning C
[06:10] <nisshh> ah, right
[06:11] <godbyk> I just got an email from someone who's a C programmer (embedded systems, mostly) who wanted to get started helping out Ubuntu. (He's been using it for 2-3 years.)
[06:11] <nisshh> godbyk: well, there arent really ubuntu-dev guides out there
[06:11] <nisshh> right
[06:11] <godbyk> I know.  Get busy! :)
[06:11] <nisshh> hehe
[06:11] <nisshh> just tell him to find an app written in C or something
[06:12] <nisshh> or a part of ubuntu written in C
[06:12] <nisshh> and tell him to hack on it or fix bugs
[06:12] <godbyk> I pointed him to that link and suggested he could start by submitting patches to bugs or find a project he's interested in and contact the dev team and offer to help.
[06:12] <nisshh> yea
[06:13] <nisshh> compiz 0.9 is written in C
[06:13] <godbyk> I thought they were rewriting it in C++.
[06:13] <nisshh> but alot of projects use python now
[06:13] <nisshh> it was C i thought
[06:14] <godbyk> I think it was originally C and is/was being rewritten in C++.
[06:14] <godbyk> From compiz.org: "The latest release of Compiz is 0.8.6. A C++ rewrite has been announced on 24th December 2009 and is about (June 2010) to be released as a beta version. This is a major rework of the whole project, aimed at easing future development."
[06:15] <nisshh> ah right
[06:15] <nisshh> always get mized up with C and C++
[06:15] <godbyk> Apparently C programmers do, too.  :-P
[06:15] <nisshh> lol
[06:16] <godbyk> (I have to refactor so much C++ code written by C programmers.  "C++ is just C with classes, right?"  Gah!)
[06:16] <nisshh> hehe
[06:16]  * nisshh uses python for exacly that reason
[06:16] <nisshh> exactly*
[06:17] <godbyk> I'm writing a little python script right now to parse some CSV files, mash the data together, and spit out some line graphs and some stats.
[06:18] <godbyk> But I rarely write python code, so it's quite messy at the moment and needs to be rewritten from scratch.
[06:18] <godbyk> (also, since I don't get to use python much, I don't know most of the pythonic ways of doing things, so it's probably grossly inefficient)
[06:21] <nisshh> yea
[09:05] <godbyk> Hey, thorwil. If you get some time today, could you whip up one of your famous wraparound covers? :)
[09:06] <thorwil> godbyk: i'm about to get to it
[09:06] <godbyk> It's past my bedtime.  G'night!
[09:06] <godbyk> thorwil: Awesome. Thanks!
[09:06] <thorwil> nite!
[09:06] <godbyk> After that, I think we'll be ready for the release of the German translation -- unless you're aware of any last minute bugs we need to fix.
[09:07] <godbyk> Gute Nacht!
[13:18] <pkramerruiz> Hi everyone!
[13:18] <pkramerruiz> Can anyone tell me if the developers of "software-sources" have an channel-sources?
[13:18] <pkramerruiz> Cause I want to run the process for selecting the best Mirror server, every time before making an update to some program, for obtain more speed downloading
[13:19] <dutchie> pkramerruiz: i don't think there is a channel just for the software sources app
[13:19] <dutchie> pkramerruiz: to be honest, once you've picked a mirror, it's not really worth checking all of the speeds every time
[17:57] <godbyk> Hey, thorwil. Thanks for the cover!
[17:58] <thorwil> hi godbyk. np
[17:58] <godbyk> thorwil: did you notice anything else that we need to do before releasing the german edition?  or shall I assume all is well and that I can proceed?
[18:02] <thorwil> godbyk: didn't look beyond the cover, don't intend to change that now ;)
[18:17] <godbyk> thorwil: fair enough. :)