[00:27] <ScottK> It would take some kind of miracle for Sparc not to get dropped.
[00:45] <zooko> statik: is there something I can do as a next-step for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tahoe-lafs/+bug/609755 ?
[00:46] <ajmitch> zooko: convince someone to do the work, or provide an updated package yourself & request sponsoring?
[00:51] <zooko> ajmitch: ok, thanks!
[00:52] <ajmitch> I see you did the original package, too
[00:52] <zooko> Not really! A bunch of other people contributed a lot of help.
[00:53] <zooko> A list of those people: Partial list of
[00:53] <zooko> A list of those people: http://pubgrid.tahoe-lafs.org/uri/URI:DIR2-RO:ixqhc4kdbjxc7o65xjnveoewym:5x6lwoxghrd5rxhwunzavft2qygfkt27oj3fbxlq4c6p45z5uneq/blog.html#2009-09-02
[02:11] <doctormo> kklimonda: I got details for you about ktoon if your interested.
[02:14] <doctormo> kklimonda: For when you get back online: KToon, contact: xtingray@ktoon.net status: Active after 3 years of freeze, in recovery. Developer says: Yes should be removed from debian/ubuntu archive. They'd like some guidance on how to do the packaging, but once they know they'd be willing to manage a ppa with a rolling release until it's got a stable release. The code is in svn: svn://svn.berlios.de/ktoon/trunk/kom and svn://svn.berlios.de/ktoo
[02:14] <doctormo> n/trunk/ktoon
[03:04] <crimsun_> would a member of ~ubuntu-sponsors please unsub the team from lp#490436 ?
[03:07] <ajmitch> crimsun_: done
[03:08] <crimsun_> ajmitch: thanks
[03:53] <crimsun_> persia: would you add me to the ~ubuntu-sponsors team, please?
[04:15] <alpharesearch> hello, is there a guide that tells me how to use my PPA for lucid and maverick... right now I did an upload for lucid and than I change the debian/changelog but this didn't work...
[04:16] <alpharesearch> I got a rejection email that the debian.tar.gz already exists
[04:17] <alpharesearch> is this the right place to ask this question?
[04:17] <persia> #launchpad is probably better
[04:18] <crimsun_> persia: thanks
[04:20] <alpharesearch> persia: thanks
[04:26] <micahg> persia: even though I have a small upload set, is it worth it to join -sponsors?
[04:27] <persia> micahg: If you're doing sponsoring, yes.  If not, no.  You need to be in the team to be able to unsubscribe the team.  Given that your team tends to do all stuff in branches that predate the common infrastructure, I don't know how much you end up having sponsoring happen.
[04:28] <micahg> persia: I sponsored 1 merge already :)
[04:28] <persia> But it's entirely up to you: I won't add anyone who isn't a developer, but I don't care after that: it's up to each developer individually.
[04:28] <persia> Well then :)
[04:28]  * persia fiddles LP
[04:29] <micahg> persia: thanks, is there a list which gets all teh subscriptions or do I just need to look at the sponsoring page?
[04:30] <persia> The sponsoring page is the best current model, as it collects from a few sources.  Some day there will be an authoritative source that is both accurate and up-to-date
[04:32] <micahg> persia: k
[06:15] <fabrice_sp> bilalakhtar, there?
[06:15] <fabrice_sp> about bug 604910
[06:17] <bilalakhtar> fabrice_sp: yes
[06:17] <bilalakhtar> looking
[06:17] <bilalakhtar> fabrice_sp: yes, can you please sponsor?
[06:18] <fabrice_sp> you still have a change in series file, that look likes it's still trying to install a non existent patch
[06:18] <fabrice_sp> did you built the package?
[06:18] <bilalakhtar> fabrice_sp: which one?
[06:18] <bilalakhtar> no
[06:18] <fabrice_sp> +usplash_support.patch
[06:18] <fabrice_sp> at the end of the debdiff file
[06:19] <bilalakhtar> fabrice_sp: huh?
[06:19] <bilalakhtar> fabrice_sp: I got it. You are looking at the series file in folder patches/
[06:19] <bilalakhtar> not debian/patches/
[06:20] <bilalakhtar> This folder existed in older ubuntu version as well
[06:20] <bilalakhtar> I don't know why it is there
[06:20] <fabrice_sp> but why adding something there?!
[06:20] <bilalakhtar> It can be safely removed, though
[06:20] <fabrice_sp> error
[06:20] <fabrice_sp> yes
[06:20] <fabrice_sp> and in the changelog, I'd like a better explanation of what has been dropped
[06:21]  * bilalakhtar is working on ^^
[06:21] <fabrice_sp> because right now, it seems that we only merge things
[06:21] <fabrice_sp> I think we only merge the bedconf call and the removal of splashy as recommend
[06:21] <fabrice_sp> debcon
[06:22] <fabrice_sp> argh: debconf
[06:22] <bilalakhtar> fabrice_sp: should i| modify the line : Removed usplash and splashy support : or its fine?
[06:22] <bilalakhtar> debconf!
[06:22] <fabrice_sp> I think that this is this line the one tah is messy, at least for me :-)
[06:22]  * bilalakhtar thinks fabrice_sp should type a bit slowly
[06:23] <fabrice_sp> because what we really do in the merge is delete spalshy from suggests
[06:23] <bilalakhtar> fabrice_sp: we also remove libslpashy1-dev from b-d
[06:23] <bilalakhtar> splashy
[06:23] <bilalakhtar> since it isn't in ubuntu
[06:24] <fabrice_sp> yeah, I know
[06:24] <bilalakhtar> so, should I remove the series file in patches/ ?
[06:24] <fabrice_sp> but from a merge perspective, all changes ended in... deleting splashy support
[06:24] <bilalakhtar> is there an FTBFS if it exists ?
[06:24] <bilalakhtar> yup
[06:25] <fabrice_sp> no: I didn't see it was in patches directly
[06:25] <bilalakhtar> The same problem: in patches/ directory with non-existant patch, existed in older Ubuntu version as well
[06:25] <fabrice_sp> so I would say that the merge should have as remaining hcange: drop of splashy support
[06:25] <fabrice_sp> merge also allows us to clean things ;-)
[06:26] <bilalakhtar> only that? or debconf-updatepo drop is also needed ?
[06:26] <bilalakhtar> yup
[06:26]  * bilalakhtar dgets the latest debian source
[06:26] <fabrice_sp> and debconf-updatepo also
[06:27] <fabrice_sp> and document as dropped the splash support patch
[06:27] <bilalakhtar> ok
[06:28] <bilalakhtar> fabrice_sp: do I need to copy the ubuntu changelog ?
[06:29] <fabrice_sp> copy which one?
[06:29] <fabrice_sp> keep the previous changelog entries you mean?
[06:29] <bilalakhtar> yes ^^
[06:30] <bilalakhtar> the debian changelog doesn't contain ubuntu entries
[06:30]  * bilalakhtar runs update-maintainer
[06:30] <fabrice_sp> in a merge, you always keep the previous ubuntu's changelog entries
[06:30] <fabrice_sp> so yes
[06:31]  * bilalakhtar sings Waka Waka while merging
[06:34] <bilalakhtar> fabrice_sp: there is a patch in the debian source about splashy, but it is not applied in series. Should I remove it from the package?
[06:35] <fabrice_sp> try to keep the diff with Debian as small as possible
[06:38] <bilalakhtar> fabrice_sp: done. while I upload debdiff to bug, see the diff from debian here http://ubuntuone.com/p/Aka/
[06:40] <fabrice_sp> seems good. You only forget to say that you dropped the usplash support patch
[06:40] <fabrice_sp> but I can add it when sponsoring
[06:41] <bilalakhtar> argh
[06:41]  * bilalakhtar hits himself with a stick
[06:41] <bilalakhtar> fabrice_sp: are you adding or I should add ?
[06:42] <fabrice_sp> as you want
[06:43] <fabrice_sp> wait a minute
[06:43] <fabrice_sp> did you saw th bugs linked to 0.8.1?
[06:43] <fabrice_sp> like debian bug 550725
[06:44] <fabrice_sp> or debian bug 503337
[06:45] <fabrice_sp> bilalakhtar, not sure it's good thing to have latest version in Ubuntu
[06:46]  * fabrice_sp should change his keyboard or at least the battery...
[06:46] <bilalakhtar96> fabrice_sp: yeah? what did you say? I got disconnected due to powecut
[06:46] <bilalakhtar96> powercut
[06:46] <bilalakhtar96> so had to join with another nick
[06:47] <fabrice_sp> just sent it to you by private
[06:47] <fabrice_sp> sorry: I have to go to work. Anyway, in the actual state, it's a no go
[06:47] <fabrice_sp> not because of you, of course
[06:48] <bilalakhtar96> fabrice_sp: I understand
[06:50] <fabrice_sp> just commented in the bug report. Bye
[07:53] <Rhonda> Does Martin Owens do IRC?
[07:53] <nigelb> Rhonda: yes
[07:53] <Rhonda> doctormo: If that's you, did someone line up for German translation already?
[07:53] <nigelb> Rhonda: yeah, thats him :)
[07:57] <Rhonda> nigelb: Having realnames set in irc clients doesn't seem to be used very often here, huh? :)
[08:05] <nigelb> Rhonda: heh
[08:06] <dholbach> good morning
[08:27] <huats> morning
[12:04] <doctormo> Rhonda: Where you after me?
[12:27] <Rhonda> doctormo: Will try to figure out how to "make a branch and merge request" :)
[12:45] <Rhonda> dholbach: When I translate the howtoask into German - do you suggest to go by "Sie" or by "Du"? I rather would feel like settling for the less formal form and choosing the latter?
[12:47] <azeem> (maybe try to use passive speech?)
[12:48] <Rhonda> That would sound even more formal.
[12:48] <Rhonda> azeem: It's about this document: http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=3248
[12:49] <Rhonda> I would consider using "du" very appropriate for that.
[12:59] <dholbach> Rhonda: I'll leave that to you - I have no idea :)
[13:09] <Rhonda> Ah! Even better! Using plural for addressing a crowd instead of a single person. :P
[13:09] <Rhonda> … and still using casual wording.
[13:16] <shadeslayer> uh.. just a simple question.. why are we not using ubuntu fonts in .. what ever you would call that :P
[13:16] <shadeslayer> or maybe we are... i cant make out the difference :S
[13:19] <Rhonda> ?!
[13:23] <shadeslayer> Rhonda: ubuntu fonts on the pics
[13:23] <Rhonda> doctormo: Can you guide me on how to "make a branch and merge request"?
[13:23] <Rhonda> shadeslayer: You mean in the How to Ask?
[13:23] <shadeslayer> yep
[13:24] <Rhonda> font-family:UbuntuBeta
[13:24] <shadeslayer> i didnt know it was called that :P
[13:24] <Rhonda> It says so on the first "slide"?
[13:24] <Rhonda> Or in the title? :)
[13:24] <shadeslayer> i thought that was the subject and not the title ;)
[13:25] <shadeslayer> turns out its both
[13:33] <doctormo> Rhonda: Sure can
[13:33] <doctormo> Rhonda: Sorry for the delay, was getting my exercises in
[13:37] <doctormo> Rhonda: Hmm, I seem to have gotten a de translation in my email, I'm guessing not from you? Care to review and merge with any work you've done already?
[13:37] <Rhonda> Please check the mail address. If it says rhonda@ that's me. :P
[13:43] <doctormo> Rhonda: Yep, that's you. *doh* name is completely different.
[13:43] <Rhonda> Is it? I wouldn't think so, it's the same that I have in my /whois information. :)
[13:47] <doctormo> Rhonda: I'm using Empathy, we don't have whois
[13:47] <doctormo> Actually Empathy is totally rotten for an irc client, but it's the only thing we have native on gnome/ubuntu
[13:47] <Rhonda> No /whois rhonda possible in there?
[13:47] <doctormo> nope
[13:48] <Rhonda> ouch
[13:48] <Rhonda> that sucks. big time, some how
[13:48] <doctormo> Unknown command; see /help for the available commands
[13:48] <doctormo> Even grabbing user details just shows Nickname: Rhonda, Name: Rhonda.
[13:48] <doctormo> Lazy developers.
[13:49] <doctormo> Rhonda: So did you want to know how to use ground control? I can still show you.
[13:50] <shadeslayer> doctormo: what about xchat?
[13:50] <shadeslayer> gnome fail for not having proper irc client ^_^
[13:51] <shadeslayer> Rhonda: oh forgot... my package got sponsored
[13:51] <shadeslayer> into debian
[13:52] <doctormo> shadeslayer: congratulations.
[13:53] <shadeslayer> doctormo: thanks :D
[13:54] <espen77> hi, i need an updated hplip package, so i was thinking i'll just put the upgrade in a ppa....i got the official ubu src package wish has a ubuntu specific patch. Any easy/dirty way to apply that patch to the new package (old version=3.10.2, new version=3.10.6)..i know it might not build with a wrong patch, but i was hoping not having to go trough every line.
[13:54] <Rhonda> doctormo: Sure, guess it would be better for me to do it properly and have the commit attached to my name instead of you commiting the cri^W^Wit. :)
[13:55] <shadeslayer> espen77: put patch in debian/patches/ , add series file, add cdbs magic in rules file, and your all set
[13:55] <shadeslayer> or use dh.. and no need for cdbs magic
[13:56] <espen77> shadeslayer: thanx, i'll have a go
[13:57] <shadeslayer> espen77: also if the package already has patches, then just add patch to debian/patches and add patch name to series file
[13:59] <espen77> i'll also ask for an upgrade in aluchpad, sins a lot of new hw is supported with the upgrade...will see if it works first
[14:00] <espen77> s/alunchpad/launchpad
[14:00] <shadeslayer> espen77: sure just upload to ppa/revu and poke people here
[14:01] <geser> !info hplip
[14:01] <geser> !info hplip maverick
[14:01] <geser> espen77: maverick (the next Ubuntu release) contains already 3.10.6
[14:02] <Rhonda> doctormo: Also, are the scripts/* scripts meant to work somehow? Can't figure that out. %-)
[14:02] <espen77> geser: yeah....saw that...might be easier to use patch from it
[14:03] <doctormo> Rhonda: I've committed your translation, but I think we should still do this.
[14:03] <doctormo> Rhonda: The scripts do work, but only specifically. ./scripts/make_pdfs.sh should work when called from the root.
[14:28] <Rhonda> [BUILD] ask-smart-questions.pdf
[14:28] <Rhonda> ./scripts/make-lang.sh: line 29: syntax error near unexpected token `else'
[14:28] <Rhonda> ./scripts/make-lang.sh: line 29: `       else'
[14:28] <Rhonda> doctormo: Receive lots of such syntax error messages. :)
[14:33] <doctormo> Rhonda: try the latest branch,
[14:33] <doctormo> That was an old error
[14:43] <shadeslayer> uh.. new lm-sensors seems to have been left out in archives.. why oh why
[15:00] <Rhonda> doctormo: Hmm, got conflicts because I did commit the de.po locally, too.  %-/
[15:01] <doctormo> Rhonda: no problem, just grab a fresh copy of the branch.
[15:01] <doctormo> Rhonda: Are you using the cli or the gui?
[15:02] <Rhonda> cli
[15:02] <Rhonda> Alright, new bzr clone
[15:18] <doctormo> Rhonda: I did update your translation, one part which should have the version that the translation comes from and the date of translation.
[15:19] <Rhonda> Alright, saw that. Thanks. :)
[18:10] <Riddell> menesis: ping
[18:10] <Riddell> python-zope.security-untrustedpython is empty
[18:10] <Riddell> also W: python-zope.security-untrustedpython: package-relation-with-self provides: python-zope.security-untrustedpython
[18:17] <menesis> Riddell: it is supposed to be empty. It adds one more dependency that python-zope.security does not have
[18:18] <Riddell> ok
[18:21] <menesis> but provides should not be there. will remove when I upload a new upstream version.
[18:47] <Laney> Who here knows about OCaml packaging? I remember a transition taking place some cycles ago, but not who managed it.
[18:47] <Laney> (I want to sync the new version of coq but don't know what effects this has)
[18:59] <geser> Laney: try contacting Stéphane Glondu (https://edge.launchpad.net/~glondu) or David MENTRÉ (https://edge.launchpad.net/~dmentre) as they coordinate the last OCaml transitions. Stéphane is also listed as Uploader for coq.
[18:59] <Laney> cheers
[18:59] <Laney> I guess I just want some view of the depends graph like for haskell
[19:01] <geser> Laney: http://pkg-ocaml-maint.alioth.debian.org/ocaml_build_deps.png
[19:02] <Laney> this looks familiar... :)
[19:10] <Laney> seems easy enough
[19:10]  * Laney does so
[20:58] <ari-tczew> bdrung: can I change your comment on my application to ...innumerable
[20:58] <ari-tczew> bugs sponsored?
[21:00] <micahg> ari-tczew: you probably shouldn't change someone else's comment, you can ask the other person to update if you feel necessary
[21:00] <bdrung> ari-tczew: link?
[21:02] <bdrung> ari-tczew: to be mathematically correct: the sponsored bugs are countable ;)
[21:07] <Laney> so is the set of natural numbers :)
[21:14] <ari-tczew> bdrung: I've lost reckoning 1,5 month ago :)
[21:15] <ari-tczew> bdrung: so do you want in order to I fetch all bugs sponsored by you, right?
[21:36] <ari-tczew> bdrung: ping
[21:36] <bdrung> ari-tczew: no, just the link to your application
[21:36] <ari-tczew> bdrung: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArturRona/MOTUApplication
[21:38] <bdrung> ari-tczew: i have rephrased it
[21:38] <ari-tczew> bdrung: ok thanks
[22:05] <ari-tczew> slangasek: ping
[22:16] <Muscovy> What's the syntax for making a watchfile? I haven't been able to figure it out by looking at samples.
[22:17] <ari-tczew> Muscovy: debian/watch? it's looking for new upstream versions.
[22:17] <Muscovy> I'm not sure how to format my url, I'm building a custom package.
[22:19] <micahg> Muscovy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete#Creating%20and%20Using%20a%20debian/watch%20File
[22:22] <Muscovy> So the format is http://example.com/package/package-(\d.*)\.tar\.gz ?
[22:23] <Muscovy> Hmm, that failed.
[22:24] <Muscovy> Oh, got it.
[22:31]  * Rhonda is utterly puzzled. Who is Paul Jaros and why does he excuse to me?
[22:32] <jpds> excuse to you? was?
[22:34] <Rhonda> For something related to the translation of the howtoask into German, but I wasn't aware of anything, so why excuse …
[23:46] <j3su> hi
[23:47] <j3su> How to change my Maintainer name
[23:47] <j3su> ?
[23:47] <j3su> for debuild
[23:48] <micahg> j3su: update-maintainer?
[23:49] <j3su> no
[23:49] <j3su> The original maintainer for this package is: x <thibaud.amele@gmail.com>
[23:50] <j3su> but i have made my gpg key with thibaud amele <thibaud.amele@gmail.com>
[23:51] <micahg> j3su: we don't have maintainers in Ubuntu, but that information is in debian/control
[23:51] <micahg> j3su: what package is this for?
[23:51] <ajmitch> you should also set the DEBEMAIL & DEBFULLNAME environment variables
[23:52] <j3su> thr hello package
[23:52] <j3su> on this page
[23:52] <j3su> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete#Basic%20Packaging
[23:53] <micahg> ok, so it's for practice
[23:53] <j3su> yes for beginning
[23:55] <micahg> j3su: k, there's a special channel just for learning packaging, #ubuntu-packaging
[23:58] <j3su> yhx micahg =)
[23:58] <j3su> *thx