[00:00] <charlie-tca> That depends on the actual updates and when you updated last
[00:00] <Kangarooo> emma: check http://www.speedtest.net/ if it really shows a lot (more then 10mbit/s) then then after updates are finished try to change ubuntu sources server in Settings-> something Sources. there take Other and then Button "Choose best server" it will ping all servers and auto choose fastest..
[00:02] <charlie-tca> n
[00:21] <emma> how can i tell which version of xubuntu im using?
[00:22] <charlie-tca> lsb_release -a
[00:27] <emma> I have xubuntu 9.10 here
[00:27] <emma> what is it on now?
[00:27] <charlie-tca> 10.04 is the latest release
[00:28] <emma> charlie-tca: if 9.10 is working is there any reason to upgrade?
[00:28] <charlie-tca> So, you are one version back from the latest
[00:28] <charlie-tca> No reason, no
[00:28] <emma> what would you do?
[00:33] <emma> charlie-tca: ^
[00:34] <charlie-tca> I prefer to stay with what is not broken for me until I have to upgrade. For 9.10, that means upgrading when 11.04 comes out in 2011, April
[00:40] <charlie-tca> However, that also means that things might change a lot when you do upgrade.
[01:43] <pcw> Is this the correct channel to seek help for boot problems?
[02:16] <cliff_> will adding 4gb of swap space on a comp. running Xubuntu with 128mb RAM help it run smoother? (right now it has no swap space)
[02:18] <pcw> Adding swap will help but for 128mb i do not think u need 4 gb
[02:19] <cliff_> how much do u think I need just to make it run decent?
[02:21] <pcw> cliff_:512 should b ok
 ok thanx
 also, can I install xubuntu first and later add ubuntu-desktop without getting rid of xfce? the website said it was possible the other way around, but didnt clarify this way...
[02:26] <pcw> yes just apt-get install or whatever method you pref
[02:27] <cliff_> great! thanks again
[02:34] <DeM0nFiRe> Hello
[02:35] <DeM0nFiRe> So, are there working drivers out for xubuntu for ATI Radeon HD5800 series?
[03:24] <likemindead> Does this look normal? htop -- http://imagebin.ca/img/G-UCY0.png
[05:16] <taz> anyone able to help a xubuntu newbie?
[05:17] <taz> anyone able to help someone new to xubuntu?
[05:18] <bazhang> ask a question; if someone knows they will answer
[06:47] <owen1_> i have no audio with hdmi. i turn-off the laptop. connect the hdmi cable, turn the machine and can only see. not hear. where is the htmi option i had with kramic? it used to be part of the volume manager thingy.
[09:16] <Billll>  [    16.046033] Kernel panic - not syncing: Out of memory and no killable processes... [    16.046033]
[09:19] <brot> after 16 seconds? something is broken :)
[09:21] <TheSheep> did you forget to put ram into your computer?
[09:21] <TheSheep> ;)
[09:37] <Billll> I have ram in my comp :D
[09:38] <Billll> it running windows 98 =p
[09:38] <Billll> it's a older computer
[09:41] <Billll> I will check the ram out :D
[09:41] <Billll> what's min requirements for xubuntu ram wise?
[09:41] <well_laid_lawn> 192mB for the live cd
[09:42] <well_laid_lawn> !alternate
[09:43] <Billll> O
[09:43] <Billll> it won't run the live CD or install same error >_>
[10:00] <psycho_oreos> sounds like your computer spec is well below the minimal mark
[10:01] <well_laid_lawn> Billll: how little ram does it have?
[10:01] <Billll> wait I'm usnure how much rma I have but it's good enough to run win 98
[10:01] <Billll> O_o
[10:02] <Billll> the hdd is smalle hold 6 gigs
[10:02] <Billll> small*
[10:02] <well_laid_lawn> there's normally a page in the bios that would tell you
[10:02] <psycho_oreos> or it would tell you at boot anyway, post POST process
[10:03] <Billll> let me find out
[10:03] <Billll> boot it comes up to fast
[10:03] <Billll> I can check in winblows 98 =P
[10:03] <psycho_oreos> there's a pause button onthe keyboard
[10:06] <Billll> ok
[10:06] <Billll> did so
[10:07] <Billll> can't tell where the ram is though or errr
[10:08] <Billll> processor clocl: 400 MHz
[10:08] <psycho_oreos> should be below that processor clock line
[10:08] <psycho_oreos> if its a white box that is
[10:10] <Billll> base mem 640 kb ext. mem size: 64512kb
[10:10] <Billll> don't see a white box
[10:10] <Billll> =P
[10:11] <psycho_oreos> a white box is an old definition (or I could be mistaken, its probably also called grey box) meaning the machine is not a pre-built one by some large PC company such as Dell, HP, Acer, etc
[10:11] <psycho_oreos> 64512kb would be it.. and judging by that you have very very small amount of RAM
[10:12] <Billll> ah ok
[10:12] <Billll> it's a bit odd win 98 could run on that then?
[10:13] <well_laid_lawn> that's ~64mB - ok for 98
[10:13] <psycho_oreos> win98 was built differently.. windows is not linux
[10:13] <Sysi> win98 is from -98
[10:13] <psycho_oreos> you don't go comparing around apples and oranges
[10:13] <Sysi> get linux from that time if you want
[10:14] <well_laid_lawn> puppy linux can work with 64mB
[10:14] <Billll> 486DX-2/66 MHz or higher processor (Pentium processor recommended)
[10:14] <Billll> 16 MB of RAM (24 MB recommended, it's possible to run on 8 MB machines with /im option used during the installation process)
[10:14] <Billll> At least 500 MB of space available on HDD. The amount of space required depends on the installation method and the components selected, but virtual memory and system utilities as well as drivers should be taken into consideration.
[10:15] <Billll> not comparing apples and organes just wonder what the system requirements are for win 98
[10:15] <psycho_oreos> what's with the unnecessary paste
[10:15] <Billll> nor am I compariong windows to linux
[10:15] <psycho_oreos> this isn't the place to enquire about win98
 it's a bit odd win 98 could run on that then? <--- so that's not comparison?
[10:16] <psycho_oreos> or is that your thought gone loud?
[10:16] <well_laid_lawn> psycho_oreos: he was trying to install xubuntu - what's with the attitude?
 it's a bit odd win 98 could run on that then? <--- so that's not comparison? <-- that's you failing at reading compression :D
[10:17] <Billll> at that you can read my mind as well, where did you get your mind reading credentials?
[10:17] <psycho_oreos> well_laid_lawn, he doesn't seem like he was willing to install xubuntu but any rate he won't be able to
[10:17] <psycho_oreos> Billll, if I had mind reading capabilities you'd be paying me by the hour :p
[10:18] <Billll> maybe I would O_o
[10:18] <Billll> LOL
[10:18] <psycho_oreos> reading compression :) nice choice of words
[10:18] <psycho_oreos> anyway, there's puppy linux or DSL
[10:19] <Billll> ahn I take it your not 5 am est time so english isn't your native language either :D
[10:20] <psycho_oreos> pretty poor comparison or is that just merely assumptions?
[10:20] <Billll> how about neither
[10:20] <psycho_oreos> s/comparison/judgement/
[10:21] <Billll> I'll do a play by play
[10:21] <Billll> nono it's called you were trying to do a mind read =P
[10:21] <psycho_oreos> you seem to be willing to talk into other things apart from the topic on hand
[10:21] <Billll> I merly asked you where you got your credentials
[10:22] <Billll> I asked what min requirements of win 98 is
[10:22] <psycho_oreos> where I got my credentials is none of your business
[10:22] <psycho_oreos> and I said this wasn't a place to enquire about win98 did I not?
[10:22] <Billll> I raised a question of, oh hhmm it's winblows, I wonder what the min requirement to run is
[10:22] <psycho_oreos> and so you pasted a whole bunch of irrelevant and offtopic information
[10:23] <Billll> you jump in and say it's like comapring apples and organes I did not do such a thing, I said i wodner what the min requirment to run windows is
[10:23] <Billll> if win 98 happened to run more than xubuntu then I would take it that it could be a actually hdd issue
[10:24] <Billll> if it's a hhdd issue I have two option attempt to wipe the whole ahrddrive orrrr toss it
[10:24] <Billll> :D
[10:24] <psycho_oreos> apparently you were talking about win98 being able to run it, wouldn't that be evident to say that just because xubuntu can't run it windows can do everything?
[10:25] <Billll> that's your conclusion and yes it could mena that or a lot of other thnigs but that wasn't what I thought at the time
[10:25] <Billll> =P
[10:25] <Billll> that's why I asked if you read minds =P
[10:25] <psycho_oreos> and no that question was already answered
[10:26] <Billll> ok I'm  a bit lot now but ok :0...
psycho_oreos: he was trying to install xubuntu - what's with the attitude? <_-- no attidue stop being a gate keeper
[12:01] <Sysi> nickflood
[12:26] <xubuntu880> shittiest OS ever
[16:26] <Aquina> A friend of mine has a problem with apt-cache consuming 100% CPU after loading Xfce. I searched on the web but nothing was helpful yet. Any suggestions?
[16:26] <Sysi>  how long does it do that?
[17:22] <Aquina> For about 20-30 minutes every ime after boot.
[17:22] <Aquina> killall apt-cache doesnt help and I also told him to uncomment all manually added repositories.
[17:23] <Aquina> Oh I refer to a Hardy installation.
[18:01] <slow-motion> my microphone makes a buzzing sound while recording. it does not sound like the buzz from a powerline. i really tried everything to get rid of it. i even sold my soul to bill gates but it did not work.
[18:15] <Kerkov> hi
[18:54] <churl> oh yeah
[19:13] <kangarooo> what r main differences between 10.04 and 10.10 ? im using 10.10 now and i want to install 10.10 to a friend couse for me its pretty stable.. dont like only this new task manager.. it shows some strange things.. like some virtual memory but its showing it wrong.. is 10.10 faster then 10.04? is the 10.10 notoficator less using cpu and ram ans hdd? some other programms faster less using?
[19:14] <Sysi> 10.04 is LTS
[19:18] <churl> Hello, how do I share a folder in xubuntu (everything online says to right click or system -> shared folders) and those options are not there for me
[19:23] <Sysi> depends what kind of share you want
[19:25] <churl> Sysi: so i can get to my xubuntu files from a windows computer :)
[19:25] <kangarooo> charlie-tca: ping
[19:37] <Sysi> !samba | churl
[20:17] <charlie-tca> Hey, when asked about 10.10, it is not a release. It is the current development version and will break a lot before the release
[20:21] <charlie-tca> kang
[21:13] <DeM0nFiRe> Hello, I am wondering if anyone here is using an ATI Radeon HD5800 series card, and what drivers you are using
[21:24] <brot> DeM0nFiRe: i think you need the fglrx driver to get 3d acceleration with this card
[21:28] <brot> DeM0nFiRe: i think you need the fglrx driver to get 3d acceleration with this card
[21:28] <brot> netsplit again?!
[21:51] <kangarooo> hey hav u seen this? http://shimmerproject.org/projects/albatross/
[21:51] <enigma> hello everyone
[21:52] <kangarooo> some project witch is also making albatros theme??
[21:52] <Sysi> kangarooo: albatross is originally from shimmer
[21:52] <kangarooo> aah
[21:52] <Sysi> same (artwork) leader on both at that time
[21:56] <charlie-tca> kangarooo: please remember that 10.10 does not exist at this time
[21:56] <charlie-tca> The development version is Maverick Meerkat, and will be breaking many times before release
[21:58] <kangarooo2> althiugh for me it looks stable for now but since recomended is 10.04 thats why for one friend im now setting up 10.04 but 10.04 install crashed opens live then installing stops and totaly now i have 5 crash but cant report screenshot http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot792.php
[21:58] <charlie-tca> It may appear stable today, but it will break again. When it does, the fixes can take between 1 hour and 1 week or more
[22:00] <kangarooo> what is that bus error in screenshot?
[22:01] <kangarooo> how to report bug about bus error if ubuntu-bug doesnt work couse it has that error?
[22:02] <charlie-tca> Impossible to tell from the words "Bus error". You can check /var/log/dmesg.log and /var/log/dpkg.log and /var/log/syslog to see if there is anything else
[22:02] <charlie-tca> tried restarting the computer?
[22:05] <kangarooo2> in that screenshot http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot792.php its live cd of 10.04 .. at first i on cd boot i chose install then when installing it crashed and gave live mode. then installing i got 4 more crashes so i wanted to report and cant couse got this bus error. in screnshot it can be seen.
[22:05] <kangarooo2> Cant open failu "dmesg".  Failed to execute child process "mousepad" (Input/output error).
[22:06] <kangarooo2> that 1st live mode installation crash i know..it doesnt affects installation.. but others affect live cd..!?
[22:09] <charlie-tca> You need to report the crashes as they happen, then, instead of saving them.
[22:14] <charlie-tca> Your crashes have created an unstable environment. Each crash can affect much more than you want it to
[22:18] <kangarooo> so no use saving and reporting on other comp couse opening will gather info about other pc yes? so then no use of reporting just restart and forget about them yes>?
[22:22] <kangarooo> maybe another 10.04 iso is needed? couse ppl will dl it since its LTS and all the time (till next lts 12.04 recomended is 10.04) installation crash happens. ive experienced it on all comps ive installed 10.04 (about 10 comps)
[22:23] <kangarooo> heh i cant even open shut down menu on that comp :)
[22:23] <kangarooo> closed it with ctrl+alt+del in tty6
[22:29] <kangarooo> as i see in diagram in http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/146 every 6 months LTS releases get also releases now its 10.04.1 till 10.04.4 when also 12.04 will come out
[22:30] <charlie-tca> I haven't experienced any crash installing 10.04 here
[22:30] <charlie-tca> and yes, I did install on 5 computers and 40 VBox machines
[22:31] <charlie-tca> You could try downloading the alternate image and use it instead of the desktop image. Sometimes that eliminates the issues
[22:38] <kangarooo> i cant find that bug now. but ive found it yesterday somehow browsing thrue lp and it has more then 20 dublicates.
[22:45] <charlie-tca> than there is no reason to report another duplicate. Just click on "this bug affects me" on top when that happens
[22:46] <kangarooo> yes yes but i wanted to show u that for many on choosing install xubuntu (without live) crash happens.
[22:46] <charlie-tca> there is no reason to show it to me.
[22:47] <charlie-tca> Just mark it as affecting you instead of reporting another bug that has to marked a duplicate
[22:47] <kangarooo> ok but that bug exists so then new iso is needed. maybe at least on 10.04.2 that could be fixed?
[22:47] <charlie-tca> xubuntu will not have a point release.
[22:48] <kangarooo> so that means LTS 10.04 till 12.04 lts release will still have this bug. :(
[22:50] <charlie-tca> yup, for xubuntu
[22:50] <charlie-tca> Have you tried the alternate cd?
[22:51] <kangarooo> no im now trying OEM installtion have never tried it maybe that way install will go till end without crash and taking me to live version
[22:51] <kangarooo> if that doesnt work ill try it
[22:56] <slow-motion> n8
[22:58] <kangarooo> hmm got some network problem.. last ive seen was (00:50:27) charlie-tca: Have you tried the alternate cd? (00:51:20) kangarooo: no im now trying OEM installtion have never tried it maybe that way install will go till end without crash and taking me to live version (00:51:43) kangarooo: if that doesnt work ill try it
[23:03] <kangarooo> that oem install also crashed. can i install xubuntu thrue just thrue lan?
[23:03] <kangarooo> i mean somehow minimal cd?
[23:04] <kangarooo> if ill make usb then usb will be fromated yes?