[00:03] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: be sure to think of a punishment if I did something horribly wrong
[00:03] <Quintasan> :P
[00:04] <Riddell> would processing the last 4 months of debian removal packages at very slow speed be a suitable punishment?
[00:05] <Quintasan> Riddell: it would be an overkill
[00:05] <Quintasan> I wonder what do you mean as slow speed
[00:06] <Riddell> takes about 40 seconds for each one
[00:06] <Riddell> and that's without the manual review needed
[00:06]  * Riddell does the kde4libs compiled on ARM dance
[00:07]  * maco hopes Riddell teaches that dance to folks at the next ceilidh
[00:07] <Quintasan> Riddell: Did you had NCommander to use his armel magic or it built by itself?
[00:07] <Quintasan> have*
[00:07] <Riddell> Quintasan: I fixed it all on my own
[00:07] <Quintasan> \o/
[00:07] <maco> good job!
[00:08] <Quintasan> cookies for Riddell 
[00:08] <Quintasan> apachelogger: fix kubotu!
[00:11]  * Quintasan is going to take a power nap
[00:12] <Quintasan> Riddell: Did anyone volunteer for looking at Kolab packages?
[00:12] <Riddell> Quintasan: which ones?
[00:12] <Quintasan> The 3.5 ones
[00:12] <Quintasan> (We are going to use them, right?)
[00:14] <Riddell> yes we should look at them
[00:16] <ScottK> Congratulations Riddell.
[00:16] <Quintasan> Riddell: I read they will send you patches to skip the artS dependency, did you get them?
[00:17] <Riddell> uploaded, should take a quick 9 hours to compile
[00:17] <Riddell> Quintasan: can't say I did
[00:17] <ScottK> Excellent.
[00:17] <Riddell> probably adding --without-arts would do it
[00:18] <ScottK> If it uses cdbs, it should get that automagically.
[00:18] <Quintasan> Riddell: Okay, I will do that tomorrow.
[00:18] <Quintasan> Do we have any python hackers except for apachelogger?
[00:19] <yofel> Quintasan: well, what's the problem?
[00:19] <maco> i cant raise my hand on python hacker
[00:19] <maco> but on python poker, i can
[00:19] <Riddell> since when did apachelogger touch python?
[00:19] <Quintasan> yofel: kdelibs import :>
[00:19] <yofel> Riddell: u1 I fear ^^
[00:19] <ScottK> Quintasan: Python yes, Python + GUI stuff, no.
[00:19] <Quintasan> Riddell: that was irony for most of the part
[00:21] <Quintasan> damn, can't find the bug
[00:22] <yofel> bug 579491 ?
[00:22] <Quintasan> yes
[00:22] <Quintasan> yofel: thanks
[00:23] <Quintasan> yofel: I'm not wrong assuming it's problem with Python, am I?
[00:24] <yofel> well, it's written in python, I didn't look at the code long enough though to understand what it's supposed to do
[00:26] <Quintasan> I tried asking on #launchpad but the bzr-builder guys are busy and it doesn't seem that they will fix it in nearest future
[00:27] <Quintasan> with that bug we are unable to import kde{libs,runtime,whateverelse}
[00:28] <yofel> I love it when people write functions and don't add a comment for what it's supposed to do... (heck, even one line is better than zero)
[00:30] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: actually, I'd rather you go through whatever process the kopete devs have for patches. I've never even touched the code base, and if anything went wrong I'd be solely responsible
[00:30] <Quintasan> okay
[00:31] <apachelogger> Quintasan, Riddell: oi! I has done plenty of pyth0rnz
[00:31] <apachelogger> well
[00:31] <apachelogger> apturl
[00:34] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: feel free to add it to our packaging in the meantime, of course :)
[00:34] <apachelogger> bleh
[00:34] <apachelogger> with bindings I never know what is intentionally not-installed and what is just new
[00:34] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: I will do it tomorrow, I just want to check with devs that it is not horrible :P
[00:35] <Quintasan> Like memleaks (Dunno how I could achieve that but...)
[00:36] <JontheEchidna> probably couldn't unless you were new'ign something, or preventing a delete
[00:36]  * Quintasan goes to bed
[00:36] <JontheEchidna> nighty night
[00:36]  * JontheEchidna goes off to mow the lawn
[00:41] <apachelogger> why the flying dutchman does libsmokeqt4-dev contain kde headers? Oo
[00:44] <apachelogger> seems lex introduced this quite some time ago :S
[00:44] <apachelogger> meh oh mhe
[00:44] <apachelogger> this certainly needs fixing
[00:44]  * apachelogger better does this tomorrow when he is less likely to screw up though :)
[00:56] <da-bayman> quick question. Im stuck at grub2 with a wubi installation. How do i know which kernel im running?
[00:58] <valorie> da-bayman: can you get to a command line?
[00:58] <valorie> if so, uname -a
[00:59] <da-bayman> no i cant access a command line, i have 2 options... sh :grub. and livecd
[01:00] <valorie> this channel is for development, not support
[01:00] <valorie> unfortunately
[01:00] <valorie> you might do better in #kubuntu
[01:00] <valorie> which is support
[01:01] <valorie> personally, I would use the liveCD
[01:01] <valorie> rather than wubi
[01:01] <da-bayman> yea, my laptop didnt have a cdrom and it couldnt boot from the usb...
[01:02] <valorie> that sucks
[01:02] <valorie> again, the support experts aren't here, but in #kubuntu
[01:07] <da-bayman> thanks 
[01:15] <stalcup> Riddell: right, i couldn't request a merge either
[01:15] <stalcup> possibly because of my membership status
[01:15] <stalcup> er
[01:27] <ScottK> stalcup: Requesting a merge shouldn't take any particular status.
[01:27] <ScottK> Someone perhaps should look into http://frinring.wordpress.com/2010/07/27/first-release-of-cagibi-prototype-of-cacheproxy-daemon-for-upnp-device-listening-and-publishing/
[01:39] <Riddell> ScottK: boost 1.40 transition still in progress?
[01:39] <ScottK> Riddell: We're keeping boost 1.40 in Universe.
[01:39] <ScottK> We want all the Main stuff to transition though.
[01:40] <ScottK> That way we can ship the boost MPI stuff.
[01:42] <Riddell> what's the boost MPI stuff?
[01:43] <ScottK> There are several boost packages that deal with MPI (some multi processing thing) that we've historically just dropped because we didn't want all of MPI in Main and no packages used them.
[01:44] <ScottK> Now there's at least one package that uses it (in Universe) and users were complaining.
[01:44] <ScottK> So we use the current boost in Main with MPI removed and a previous release in Universe with it enabled.
[01:57] <rbelem> hey guys, i just uploaded a new patch for ksambashare http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/4320/
[01:58] <rbelem> Riddell, can you take quick look at the patch? :-)
[01:59] <rbelem> dantti, ^
[01:59] <Riddell> rbelem: tomorrow I promise
[01:59] <rbelem> Riddell, :-D
[02:00] <rbelem> Riddell, ok
[02:00] <rbelem> Riddell, it is becoming a huge patch :-)
[02:04] <dantti> rbelem: shouldn't you use Q_D(d_ptr)?
[02:05] <rbelem> dantti, uh! i forgot about that
[02:06] <rbelem> dantti, but i general, do you think it is ok?
[02:07] <rbelem> *in
[02:07] <dantti> seems to be fine
[02:11] <rbelem> dantti, is the Q_D thread safe?
[02:12] <dantti> rbelem: afaik Q_D() is just to safely transform your d_ptr to d, making it const safe too
[02:16] <rbelem> dantti, hum... i will update the code tomorrow
[02:16] <rbelem> thanks Riddell, dantti 
[02:16] <dantti> yw
[02:16] <rbelem> :-)
[02:16]  * rbelem goes off
[02:16] <rbelem> g'night
[03:08] <dantti> ok, now I just have to add the emblem and make sure --reverse works ok http://img820.imageshack.us/i/plasmadesktopxi1450.jpg/  :)
[04:07] <stalcup> ScottK: That's what I would think too, but it says it's invalid
[04:08] <ScottK> Then either it's a bug or you're not doing it right.
[04:08] <stalcup> prolly the latter
[04:26] <ScottK> We should try http://www.afiestas.org/bluedevil-the-new-kde-bluetooth-stack-is-here/ - Our Kubuntu bluetooth experience could hardly get worse.
[05:05] <JontheEchidna> ulysses: ok, latest scripty run fixed things. :) I plan on releasing in 12 hours.
[05:05] <JontheEchidna> I should get to sleep though
[08:30] <Quintasan> \o
[08:44] <freinhard> hi!
[08:44] <freinhard> anyone packaging/already packaged bluedevil?
[09:12] <apachelogger> good morning kubuntu
[09:17] <ulysses> morning
[09:46] <eMyller> 'morning
[09:46] <apachelogger> oh dear
[09:46] <apachelogger> looks like I need to do mono packaging
[09:46] <apachelogger> brrr
[09:46] <apachelogger> eMyller: good morning to you too
[09:57] <apachelogger> eh
[09:57] <apachelogger> kate--
[09:57] <freinhard> anyone packaging/already packaged bluedevil?
[09:57] <ulysses> JontheEchidna: translation will be soon ready, I won't miss the beta
[09:57] <eMyller> apachelogger: what's the problem with it?
[10:00] <apachelogger> it crashed
[10:00] <apachelogger> freinhard: I dont think anyone is on this yet
[10:02] <apachelogger> Currently BlueDevil is not ready to be translated (the strings are not final), and we’re looking for native English speakers who can help us with the strings, interested people send an email to alex {at) ufocoders.com
[10:02] <apachelogger> cannot go prime time then :/
[10:06] <freinhard> anyways, the current state of bluetooth isn't.. lets say what it should be, therefore im keen on trying anything that might improove the situation. 
[10:06] <freinhard> so i'll give it a try
[10:06] <CIA-98> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100728090630-1i2b2389qyd6g4yz * src/libs/ (3 files in 2 dirs) merge
[10:06] <freinhard> can i somehow include kde 4.5 headers for my lucid ppa?
[10:07] <apachelogger> just make your ppa depend on whatever of our ppas contains 4.5 for lucid
[10:07] <apachelogger> but since bluedevil depends on >= 4.4 this should not be necessary
[10:08] <ulysses> JontheEchidna: in muon/src/DetailsTabs/DependsTab.cpp:113 there is a missing „not”
[10:08] <freinhard> aaah ppa dependencies, haven't seen that button before *g*
[10:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: lp:~apachelogger/ubuntu-sso-client/gsoc
[10:27] <debfx> is konqueror-plugin-searchbar coming back now that konqueror might become the default again?
[10:28] <Riddell> it probably should be split out again
[10:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: desktopcouch patch might get done today I have been told
[10:41] <apachelogger> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/desktopcouch/kwallet-support/+merge/31135 I did what I could to get it done :P
[10:44] <Riddell> lovely
[10:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/ubuntuone-client/kwallet-support/+merge/31138
[10:47] <apachelogger> some for the syncdaemon
[10:48] <apachelogger> however I think that will be replaced by async encyrpted callback from the ubuntu-sso client soon ... that whole lookup business is completely pointless because ubuntu-sso will eventually get called anyway...
[10:52]  * apachelogger is now also becoming elite mono packag0r
[10:52] <apachelogger> who wants to update https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/BuildEnvironment
[10:54] <apachelogger> oh oh oh
[10:54] <apachelogger> my korganizer explodes on startup :/
[10:55] <apachelogger> oh dear
[10:55] <ulysses> which indicates to explode the TARDIS!!!
[10:55] <apachelogger> markey: I WISH YOU A VERY SUPER HAPPY AWESOME BIRTHDAY *hugs* *kisses* *cookies*
[10:56] <apachelogger> not even a bot to throw a birthday party around -.-
[11:09] <debfx> Riddell: these should be the necessary changes to konq-plugins: http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/konq-plugins_4.4.0-2ubuntu2.debdiff
[11:10] <debfx> debian-changes-4:4.4.0-2ubuntu1 wasn't supposed to be there, right?
[11:11] <Riddell> probably not
[11:23] <markey> thanks apachelogger :D
[11:23] <markey> *hug*
[12:12] <CIA-98> [kdebindings] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100728111210-xw8z824vkfdiobx2 * debian/ (18 files in 3 dirs) (log message trimmed)
[12:12] <CIA-98> * New upstream release * Drop kubuntu_03_qt_no_style_s60.diff (origin: upstream
[12:12] <CIA-98> -> applied) * Turn libsmokeqtmultimedia into dust because we do not build
[12:14] <apachelogger> Quintasan: bindings uploaded to ppa, please watch out for failures, I only did one build locally due to insane long build time ... that one went straight through to list-missing though, so everything should be fine
[12:14]  * apachelogger is awayish a bit
[13:00] <freinhard> any reason why i would need a shlibs.local file in debian for libbluedevil?
[13:09]  * sheytan food time
[13:37] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: apachelogger whee... something broke http://pastebin.com/0A01HdB2
[13:50] <yofel> I can at least confirm that kdelibs5-dev is broken :/ http://launchpadlibrarian.net/52618642/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-i386.quassel_0.7~pre%2B115-gbf0ef15-0.20100728~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[13:51] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: you will not get workspace then :P
[13:52] <shadeslayer> i wonder what he changed....
[13:56]  * sheytan is back.
[13:57] <shadeslayer> sheytan: \o
[13:57] <sheytan> hey :)
[13:58] <shadeslayer> AHA!
[13:58] <shadeslayer> python-qt4 needs fix0ring
[13:58] <CIA-98> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1156022 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/CMakeLists.txt Bump version for 0.4.0 (1.0 beta)
[13:59] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: pokes if your around
[13:59] <JontheEchidna> hi
[13:59] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: http://pastebin.com/7hpUF3zL <<
[13:59] <JontheEchidna> what's that?
[13:59] <shadeslayer> i think its because python-qt4 still deps on libqtwebkit4
[13:59] <JontheEchidna> oh
[13:59] <shadeslayer> im trying to pull in deps for kdebase workspace
[14:01] <shadeslayer> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/52253732/python-qt4_4.7.3-1ubuntu2_4.7.4-0ubuntu1.diff.gz says something else tho
[14:03] <shadeslayer> something is wrong :(
[14:04] <freinhard> what's the benefit of specifying debian/source/format ?
[14:04] <freinhard> (except of getting rid of a lintian warning)
[14:04] <shadeslayer> freinhard: well.. huge
[14:05] <shadeslayer> if you use the new dh format, no need to use quilt
[14:05] <shadeslayer> no need for cdbs, and everything is much easier
[14:05] <shadeslayer> ahh i see
[14:06] <shadeslayer> kdebindings has python kde4 -> dep on old qt package
[14:06] <Riddell> shadeslayer: is this in maverick?
[14:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yes sir
[14:06] <shadeslayer> see apachelogger uploaded bindings 
[14:06] <freinhard> actually i'm using cdbs cause that makes everything so much easier
[14:06] <shadeslayer> im checking right now
[14:06] <Riddell> maverick builds are broken today
[14:07] <freinhard> two includes and i'm done with the rules file for a cmake package (i'd call that easy)
[14:07] <shadeslayer> Riddell: which builds
[14:07] <Riddell> shadeslayer: all of them
[14:07] <shadeslayer> freinhard: i just need to write : dh $@ --parallel --with kde
[14:07] <shadeslayer> and im done
[14:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: you dont get iffy workspace then :)
[14:08] <Riddell> freinhard: cdbs is going out of fashion, debhelper 7 is all the rage now as shadeslayer demonstrates
[14:08] <shadeslayer> hehe ^
[14:08] <JontheEchidna> freinhard: also, if you use source format 3.0, your .orig tarball can be .tar.bz2, meaning you don't have to repack if upstream decides to use it. (It's smaller than .tar.gz too)
[14:08] <Riddell> needs libtimedate-perl to enter the archive again
[14:08] <freinhard> hmm k, that solves some things i was always wondering about (.gz is old and stinks ;) )
[14:10] <JontheEchidna> now we just have to wait for .xz support :P
[14:10] <JontheEchidna> or .lmza or whatever it's called
[14:10] <shadeslayer> why dont they get .lzma support?
[14:10] <shadeslayer> yeah .lzma... reminds of a lama everytime i write :P
[14:10] <JontheEchidna> because nobody's coded support in soyuz
[14:11] <JontheEchidna> it took an extreme amount of groaning to get even .tar.bz2 support in soyuz, *even when packages started syncing from debian and breaking because of it!*
[14:11] <shadeslayer> do you want a kubotu clone here? ( clone as in different bot with same codebase )
[14:12] <shadeslayer> but itll be online only till im here :p
[14:15] <shadeslayer> sheytan: hahaha @sheytan tadaaaaaaa ￼ << from pinheirokde
[14:15] <JontheEchidna> maverick is broken :( http://paste.ubuntu.com/470251/
[14:16] <sheytan> shadeslayer take a look at the pastebin link i dented ;D
[14:16] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: sorry about that
[14:16] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: anything I can do to assist?
[14:16] <shadeslayer> sheytan: holy fsck http://a.imageshack.us/img704/2209/zrzutekranu10x.png
[14:17] <shadeslayer> how :D
[14:17] <shadeslayer> or only on trunk? :P
[14:17] <JontheEchidna> probably http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/oxygen-transparent?content=127752
[14:17] <sheytan> shadeslayer ^^ :D
[14:17] <shadeslayer> now i know all your secretz... muwhahaha
[14:18] <sheytan> shadeslayer, but please don't advertise it too much. It's still experimental <~~ from Pinheiro :)
[14:18] <shadeslayer> ofcourse :D
[14:18] <shadeslayer> dude.. were going to launch neon.. go mad and break your system  ^_^
[14:19] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I just accepted libmpcdec6 into the archive, we'll need to do some builds once it gets published
[14:20] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: although nothing is building until libtimedate-perl gets published
[14:20] <yofel> Riddell: can you look at bug 610848 ? would that be sufficient?
[14:20] <sheytan> i always have another system for testing stuff, so :D
[14:20] <shadeslayer> yofel: lucid>
[14:21] <yofel> shadeslayer: well, that will break on upgrades from lucid..
[14:21] <shadeslayer> ah ok.. debdiff is attached  ^_^
[14:21] <freinhard> shadeslayer: whats that image?
[14:21] <shadeslayer> freinhard: that is sheytan's desktop
[14:21] <yofel> and blame apport for that version number in the title..
[14:22] <freinhard> shadeslayer: bluedevil?
[14:22] <shadeslayer> yeah
[14:22] <shadeslayer> i would think so
[14:22]  * freinhard is packaging
[14:22] <shadeslayer> freinhard: go go!
[14:22] <sheytan> yes, yes  :D
[14:22] <sheytan> blue devil right from hell :D
[14:22] <sheytan> becareful, it can burn your devices :D
[14:22] <freinhard> libbluedevil did work, but just kicked cdbs and need to rebuild again ;)
[14:23] <JontheEchidna> "hell has frozen over, and a blue devil has emerged; KDE actually got a new bluetooth stack"
[14:23] <freinhard> any accelerators for my fast-as-a-lightning atom n450? ;)
[14:24] <sheytan> freinhard go to hadwallpapers.net there you can find that image. nature section ;)
[14:25] <ulysses> That's oxygen-transparent is awesome
[14:30] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: nice :D
[14:31] <shadeslayer> freinhard: your now using dh magic? :D
[14:31] <ScottK> Is there anyone here that uses Kubuntu with an RTL language?
[14:33] <ulysses> RTL?
[14:33] <Riddell> we do have Islraelies around, dunno if they use Hebrew
[14:35] <JontheEchidna> ulysses: right-to-left
[14:36] <shadeslayer> sheytan: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/06/celebrate-ubuntu-1010-alpha-with-these.html << dude these are like.... 
[14:36] <ScottK> I'm curious if Konsole works with RTL as there's a big discussion on #ubuntu-devel about how VTE doesn't.
[14:37] <sheytan> shadeslayer i like only the 3rd one :)
[14:37] <shadeslayer> sheytan: i like the last one
[14:37] <shadeslayer> need something blue+ with kubuntu logo :P
[14:38] <sheytan> when i get some time :)
[14:38] <shadeslayer> \o/
[14:38] <sheytan> need still to work on kubuntu web page and kde GSOC certificate desing ;)
[14:38] <shadeslayer> sheytan: do you have that tree wallpaper?
[14:39] <sheytan> from that link?
[14:39] <shadeslayer> sheytan: from the snapshot of kubuntu site you posted
[14:39] <sheytan> that green one with bluedevil?
[14:40] <sheytan> please link :D
[14:40] <sheytan> then i'll tell you
[14:40] <Riddell> ScottK: last I looked at it Konsole didn't work RTL and nobody ever expected that it would
[14:40] <Riddell> ScottK: you can write hebrew or whatever as normal in Konsole but it'll appear left to right
[14:41] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.  I was curious.
[14:44] <freinhard> what does the cmake makro find_library do?
[14:45] <freinhard> got /usr/lib/libbluedevil.so.* but cmake cant find it with find_library(LibBlueDevil_LIBRARIES bluedevil)
[14:45] <shadeslayer> sheytan: do you haz tarball for bluedevil?
[14:46] <yofel> shadeslayer: want my desktop? :P http://yofel.dyndns.org/pics/ext/plasma0.png
[14:47] <shadeslayer> oh god
[14:47] <shadeslayer> how do you manage to process so much info :P
[14:47] <shadeslayer> 2 batteries? 
[14:47] <shadeslayer> :O
[14:48] <sheytan> shadeslayer no, get it from git :)
[14:48] <sheytan> yofel, glad you use my wallpaper ;D
[14:48] <yofel> sheytan: thanks for making it ;)
[14:48] <shadeslayer> sheytan: do i have to uninstall anything ?
[14:48] <shadeslayer> not that i really use bluetooth
[14:49] <shadeslayer> http://www.dennogumi.org/2010/07/what-this-might-ever-be << is nice
[14:49] <sheytan> yofel, you're welcome :)
[14:49] <sheytan> shadeslayer no. Install compilers and kde dev packages only
[14:49] <sheytan> then compile
[14:49] <sheytan> and done ;)
[14:50] <shadeslayer> sheytan: i have half the dev packages from repos installed :P
[14:50] <sheytan> shadeslayer, then you're good to go :D
[14:50] <yofel> Riddell: is that debdiff for konq-plugins ok or should I change something?
[14:51] <Riddell> yofel: sorry, let me look now
[14:51] <ScottK> Riddell: Next armel question I guess is why libqtwebkit4 is uninstallable.
[14:51] <ScottK> (which is why kde4libs won't build)
[14:51] <Riddell> ScottK: it's the libtimedate-perl issue
[14:51] <Riddell> ScottK: we just need to wait until that gets mirrored to ports
[14:51] <ScottK> Oh.
[14:51] <ScottK> OK.
[14:51] <ScottK> Thanks.
[14:52] <shadeslayer> i needs libbluedevil :P
[14:53] <ScottK> Looks like it might be worth trying again now.
[14:53]  * ScottK does
[14:53] <shadeslayer>   Could not find LibBlueDevil
[14:53] <freinhard> shadeslayer: almost done
[14:53] <shadeslayer> 0_o
[14:54] <sheytan> shadeslayer in the git link change bluedevil to libbluedevil :D
[14:54] <shadeslayer> \o/
[14:58] <Riddell> debfx: konq-plugins uploaded
[14:58] <Riddell> yofel: debfx just split out konqueror-plugin-searchbar again so that makes your bug a non-issue
[14:59] <yofel> ok
[15:00] <shadeslayer> sheytan: nice : http://imgur.com/DNRUt
[15:01] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[15:01] <shadeslayer> and thats not my phone btw :P
[15:01] <JontheEchidna> will this cause problems? gpg --armor --sign --detach-sig
[15:01] <JontheEchidna> er
[15:01] <sheytan> shadeslayer talk to afiestas at #kde-devel and report a bug :D
[15:01] <JontheEchidna> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-i18n-doc&m=127964427716288&w=2
[15:01] <sheytan> it's still the RC 
[15:01] <shadeslayer> sheytan: actually.. its not a bug :P
[15:01] <sheytan> a feature? :
[15:01] <sheytan> :D
[15:02] <shadeslayer> this phone doesnt do audio connections :P
[15:02] <shadeslayer> only data transfer
[15:03] <sheytan> oh :D
[15:03] <sheytan> ok :D
[15:03] <Riddell> note that debian also seems to be packaging bluedevil
[15:04] <shadeslayer> yeah saw it on debian-qt-kde ;)
[15:05] <freinhard> Riddell: too late as usual, narf
[15:08] <freinhard> are the packages for libbluedevil/bluedevil already done?
[15:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: bug 609448 please
[15:08] <shadeslayer> freinhard: theyre working on them
[15:08] <freinhard> that's why i asked previously if somebody is packaging it. argh
[15:10] <shadeslayer> better join oftc then :P
[15:12] <mfraz74> apparently k3b has switched burn speed to 8,400x, is this even possible?
[15:13] <CIA-98> [muon] jmthomas * 1156069 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/main.cpp Bump version for 0.4 (1.0 beta)
[15:14] <freinhard> shadeslayer: got a link handy to the mailinglist?
[15:14] <freinhard> can't find a related post in http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-qt-kde@lists.debian.org/maillist.html
[15:14] <shadeslayer> freinhard: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ 
[15:15] <shadeslayer> freinhard: i guess gkiagia hasnt written one yet
[15:17] <freinhard> shadeslayer: can't find anything bluedevil related there anyways
[15:17] <mfraz74> bluedevil looks impressive
[15:21] <shadeslayer> freinhard: http://pastebin.com/eWDZMHaX
[15:23] <freinhard> shadeslayer: which channel?
[15:23] <shadeslayer> freinhard: #debian-qt-kde on oftc
[15:25] <shadeslayer> this is nice http://imgur.com/VJIle
[15:28] <Riddell> shadeslayer: synced
[15:28] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what does plasma-widget-fastuserswitch do that kickoff doesn't?
[15:28] <shadeslayer> Riddell: thanks :D
[15:28] <shadeslayer> Riddell: nothing new... just that its a plasmoid and suse had it :P
[15:29] <shadeslayer> didnt want our users to be left out :P
[15:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://imgur.com/IvsZv
[15:56] <ScottK> Riddell: I was going to ask to have that one sync'ed too.  No kickoff in netbook, so it might be useful there.
[16:00] <Riddell> ScottK: mm, right enough, although netbooks are generally single user
[16:01] <ScottK> Riddell: True.  It might go nicely with some sort of guest session thingy in the future.  Handing your netbook to your buddy to use for a bit is not a totally obscure use case.
[16:17] <sheytan> only one thing left, to show you guys all the changes in the kubuntu page. It's now simple and clean :D
[16:30] <maco> but when is it actually moving to kubuntu.org???
[16:34] <sheytan> hey guys
[16:34] <sheytan> http://a.imageshack.us/img820/4165/base3test1.jpg
[16:34] <sheytan> take a look :D
[16:34] <Riddell> new kubuntu.org website needs me to get password off ofir then I can copy over the new stories then it can go live
[16:36] <sheytan> Riddle is this what you mean the 'new site' http://staging.www.kubuntu.org/ ? :)
[16:36] <sheytan> Riddell ^^
[16:37] <ulysses> sheytan: great
[16:37] <sheytan> ulysses thank you :)
[16:37] <sheytan> still waiting for ofir to discuss all that stuff
[16:39] <Riddell> sheytan: yes
[16:40] <sheytan> Riddell then that's what i'm working on :)
[16:40] <sheytan> we were talking with ofir to have everything done for 10.10 release :)
[16:40] <sheytan> i've got almost everything done, it just need some changes i will make :)
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> better start trying to get it through now :P
[16:41] <Riddell> sheytan: ah good.  getting the 10.04 one out first is my current problem though 
[16:41] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: without the upgrade to a new drupal version it won't be so bad
[16:42] <Riddell> sheytan: don't you worry the field is too Windows XP like?
[16:42] <sheytan> Riddell ok ;) I think that you guys like my work, ofir does it too. Of course some  changes in artwork maybe needed :)
[16:42] <sheytan> Riddell No, no. It is to show ppl that it's way better then the xp one :D
[16:43] <sheytan> And this way kubuntu is a 'whole better place' :D
[16:43] <sheytan> then window
[16:43] <sheytan> s
[16:43] <sheytan> oh, yeah, and the image is CC licenced. It's hard to find a free one :D
[16:52] <maco> Riddell: still trying to shake the "kde is like windows!" thing?
[16:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: what's the difference between ubuntu-sso and the ubuntu auth stuff that went before?
[17:04] <shadeslayer> sheytan: lose the " Better Place"
[17:04] <shadeslayer> on the site
[17:05] <sheytan> shadeslayer why? :P
[17:05] <shadeslayer> doesnt go along very well with the rest of the site
[17:05] <sheytan> i like it :D
[17:06] <shadeslayer> well... A Whole Better place would be rather good
[17:06] <shadeslayer> also.. give me the image of the field
[17:06] <shadeslayer> i likes it :)
[17:07] <shadeslayer> sheytan: ^
[17:07] <sheytan> shadeslayer i linked it yesterday. Just a second ;)
[17:08] <sheytan> shadeslayer http://browse.deviantart.com/customization/wallpaper/widescreen/?qh=&section=&q=field++of++dreams#/d1ut0zi
[17:08] <shadeslayer> \o/
[17:11] <maco> hmm now you make me think of the song "A Better Place" which is a sad song
[17:11] <maco> http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/A-Better-Place-A-Better-Time-lyrics-Streetlight-Manifesto/89B29D44FCA00CF348256E0000063652
[17:13] <shadeslayer> hehe 
[17:14] <maco> (by one of my fave bands)
[17:15] <shadeslayer> 2 days and only 7 pages of my report is complete.. not good at all
[17:15] <ScottK> Riddell: I didn't really get what the question was about gnupg and kleopatra packaging?
[17:16] <shadeslayer> ^ me neither
[17:16] <ScottK> (sorry to just ask after the minutes are out, but I got distracted during the meeting)
[17:17] <Riddell> ScottK: padams mentioned to me a while ago that we were "using gnupg 1 not gnupg 2" in our kde pim packaging so that needs investigated (whether it's true and whether it's a problem)
[17:17] <Riddell> and kleopatra is in universe and I'd like to remember why
[17:18] <shadeslayer> OOo is evil i say.. evil.. Says " General Error " on loading .odt files :/
[17:18] <ScottK> Kleopatra is in Universe because dirmngr (or whatever it is exactly) is a heaping pile of poo that failed the security review for Main.
[17:19] <shadeslayer> ScottK: how difficult would it be to implement this https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuMaverickFasterLogin
[17:20] <ScottK> Riddell: We default to gnupg1, but if users have gnupg2 installed, it works.  We use gnupg-agent and gpgsm from gnupg2.
[17:20] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Not simple.  Talk to shtylman.
[17:20] <shadeslayer> shtylman: pokes :)
[17:20] <Riddell> ScottK: I seem to remember padams saying gnupg1 didn't work very well with kde pim
[17:21] <shtylman> shadeslayer: pokes back
[17:21] <shadeslayer> shtylman: i would like to help out on the Faster user login thing
[17:21] <shtylman> shadeslayer: you and me both :)
[17:21] <shadeslayer> :)
[17:21] <shadeslayer> shtylman: but im busy till monday :P
[17:21] <shtylman> shadeslayer: it isn't a simple problem to solve :)
[17:21] <shadeslayer> i might be able to squeze out some time on the weekend
[17:21] <ScottK> Riddell: I think the key thing is you have to have gnupg-agent and gpgsm from gnupg2.  I don't think for the actual gpg binary it matters much (I use it all the time and it seems to work fine).
[17:22] <shadeslayer> shtylman: hmm.. ok, teach me as we go along :D
[17:22] <shtylman> shadeslayer: the first step is to begin to understand the kde login process (basically start looking at the startkde script)
[17:22] <shtylman> shadeslayer: I haven't gotten to far along
[17:22] <shadeslayer> ok..
[17:23] <shtylman> but one point of interest would be to see what isn't needed from that script
[17:23] <shtylman> or what could be done in a different order to give the "illusion" of faster login
[17:23] <ScottK> Riddell: Kmail actually uses gpgme and it can use either gpg binary.
[17:24] <ScottK> Riddell: gnupg is in ubuntu-minimal, so I think we'd have to have a really good reason to switch.
[17:24]  * ScottK is out for a bit.
[17:24] <shadeslayer> shtylman: ok will look and get back on weekend
[17:25] <shadeslayer> shtylman: i think we can comment out kcminputrc Mouse cursorTheme 'Oxygen_Black' << since we use our own defaults
[17:25] <shadeslayer> from startup scripts
[17:26] <shtylman> shadeslayer: most likely
[17:26] <shtylman> but be mindful of weird sideeffects :)
[17:26] <shadeslayer> ofcourse... 
[17:27] <Quintasan> \o/
[17:27]  * Riddell would be very reluctant to remove bits from startkde without upstream approval
[17:27] <Quintasan> new bluetooth stack for KDE
[17:27] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yep
[17:27] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah we will consult with upstream ;)
[17:27]  * shtylman would agree with Riddell (but we can always run it by upstream)
[17:28] <shtylman> the problem is that upstream's focus isn't on improved login speed but more on eyecandy :p
[17:28] <shadeslayer> totally
[17:29]  * Quintasan is packaging bluedevilz
[17:29] <Riddell> Quintasan: it's already being packaged
[17:29] <Riddell> by freinhard and someone in debian
[17:29] <Quintasan> oh god
[17:29] <Quintasan> okay
[17:33] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: maverick is broken, cant continue with packaging
[17:33] <Quintasan> what is broken?
[17:34] <shadeslayer> some package needs to be introduced again
[17:34]  * Quintasan hates when people say something is broken not providing details
[17:34] <shadeslayer> Quintasan:  libtimedate-perl
[17:35] <shadeslayer> that needs to be published 
[17:35] <shadeslayer> i was checking the logs :P
[17:35] <Riddell> libtimedate-perl is in now
[17:35] <Riddell> kde bits now waiting on new libxine
[17:35] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[17:36]  * sheytan food time
[17:36] <shadeslayer> 1.2000  ... wow .. nice version :P
[17:40] <ryanakca> Riddell: Hurray for the new website :)
[17:42] <Riddell> ryanakca: well, we're no there yet
[17:42] <Riddell> almost though
[17:42] <ryanakca> *nod*
[17:43] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: see, your "broken" was solved without me taking any actions
[17:43] <Quintasan> :P
[17:43] <shadeslayer> heh :P
[17:43] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: fix0r kdelibs-svn then ;)
[17:44] <p_masho> anyone help.. kde crashed on startup http://pastebin.com/Vt1H07HP
[17:44] <shadeslayer> or help me finish my Project report :P
[17:44] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I pick skateboarding then
[17:44] <Quintasan> I can't do pythonz
[17:44] <shadeslayer> hahaha :D
[17:44] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: go to #kubuntu and help people there ;)
[17:46] <p_masho> I've disabled  [Compositing] Exabled =False
[17:46] <p_masho> and ibus seems to be running... 
[18:03]  * sheytan is back.
[18:28] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: around?
[18:30] <ScottK> Riddell: How goes Xine?
[19:08] <shadeslayer> !pbuilder
[19:34] <stalcup> <3 pbuilder
[19:35] <maco> is mav shipping knm or pwnm?
[19:36] <Riddell> ScottK: xine compiled on arm and i386
[19:36] <Riddell> looks like it's in the archive too
[19:36] <JontheEchidna> maco: pwnm
[19:36] <maco> JontheEchidna: ok
[19:36] <ScottK> Riddell: Cool.
[19:36] <ScottK> You going to hit retry or should I?
[19:36] <JontheEchidna> though I wouldn't go as far as to say it pwn's at the moment :P
[19:37] <Riddell> ScottK: doing it
[19:37] <ScottK> Great.
[19:37] <maco> so if i want to try to make 3G work with kubuntu mav, i should try poking pwnm instead of knm
[19:37] <Riddell> maco: I don't think either has any paticular support for it
[19:38] <stalcup> Riddell: what do I need to do about the two updates I linked you?
[19:38] <maco> Riddell: the configuration tool they share recognizes my device, but the configuration thing sucks
[19:38] <maco> Riddell: it asks questions that users cant answer and neither can the stores that sell the SIMs
[19:38] <Riddell> stalcup: which ones are those?
[19:38] <stalcup> artwork and accessability
[19:39] <Riddell> stalcup: nothing I don't think we'll get RC 3 packages out anywhere, 4.5 final is due for tagging today
[19:39] <stalcup> ah, fantastic!
[19:39] <stalcup> good practice at least
[19:39] <maco> Riddell: the nm-applet has a wizard that pulls data from the mobile-broadband-provider-info package so you just say your country, then it asks which provider in that country, you pick which one, then it asks which of that providers' plans, and then it sets everything up for you
[19:40] <maco> Riddell: but when i said "poking" i meant "coding" ;-)
[19:40] <maco> or "writing a patch for"
[19:40] <JontheEchidna> maco: if you're interested, the config dialog bits are in libs/internals
[19:40] <maco> JontheEchidna: which source package?
[19:41] <Riddell> maco: this guy is adding support for modems, investigating the status is somewhere on my todo http://lamarque-lvs.blogspot.com/2010/06/full-support-to-modem-manager-04-in.html
[19:41] <JontheEchidna> maco: plasma-widget-networkmanager
[19:42] <maco> JontheEchidna: ok
[19:42] <JontheEchidna> which is a bit confusing since knm is built from the same source
[19:43] <Riddell> http://lamarque-lvs.blogspot.com/2010/07/plasma-nm-testing-mode.html suggests progress but not anything for distros yet
[19:43] <JontheEchidna> I think something's wrong here: https://launchpad.net/~echidnaman/+archive/staging/+build/1893255
[19:43] <JontheEchidna> it's been stuck there for 2 hours on a 5 minute build
[19:44] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: time to upload ~ppa2 :)
[19:44] <JontheEchidna> probably :)
[19:44] <maco> Riddell: the *99#  was one of those things it asks about that the person at the store couldnt answer ;-)
[19:45] <maco> also, the ANP
[19:45] <maco> nm-applet filled those in properly on its own thanks to the xml file in the package i named before (it lists the ANPs)
[19:57] <CIA-98> [muon] aacid * 1156237 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/Messages.sh take into account the rc.cpp in the xgettext line otherwise it won't get used remove the rm rc.cpp line as it's not needed at all
[19:59] <sheytan> Hey guys
[19:59] <sheytan> shadeslayer Riddlle http://a.imageshack.us/img843/8484/kubuntu1.jpg
[20:00] <sheytan> how do you like this one? :D
[20:01] <shadeslayer> sheytan: feature page?
[20:01] <shadeslayer> or home page?
[20:02] <shadeslayer> and decide on one already :P
[20:02] <sheytan> It's a mine page about Kubuntu
[20:02] <maco> sheytan: highlighting Riddell works better when you spell his name right
[20:02] <shadeslayer> hehe ^
[20:02] <shadeslayer> maco: need to talk to you for a sec in PM, ok with you?
[20:02] <sheytan> maco i can't remember how it's written, sorry
[20:02] <shadeslayer> sheytan: just use tab complete
[20:02] <maco> sheytan: thats what tab key is for
[20:02] <maco> shadeslayer: yep
[20:02] <shadeslayer> !tab | sheytan
[20:03] <sheytan> ok, will remember ;)
[20:03] <sheytan> thnaks
[20:35] <rbelem> hey guys, have you seen agateau?
[20:36] <maco> nope not in a while
[20:36] <Riddell> rbelem: agateau is on holiday this week
[20:37] <Riddell> rbelem: I looked at your patch and couldn't fault it, but agateau would probably be better for a closer examination
[20:38] <rbelem> ah ok :-)
[20:39] <rbelem> Riddell, np, but do you think it is ok?
[20:39] <Riddell> rbelem: as far as I can see yet
[20:39] <Riddell> yes
[20:39] <rbelem> cool :-)
[20:40] <Riddell> rbelem: of course it doesn't do users much good without a UI :)
[20:41] <rbelem> eheheh
[20:41] <rbelem> Riddell, i think that the kdenetwork/filesharing will be faster after that patch hit the trunk
[20:44] <Riddell> rbelem: yes with a good API it should be just be making use of the hard work you've done
[20:44] <Riddell> rbelem: do you know if we should take a new snapshot of plasma-mobile to package?
[20:44] <rbelem> Riddell, the patch become much bigger than the initial version
[20:45] <rbelem> Riddell, yep
[20:45] <rbelem> Riddell, i did not update some days ago because it was segfaulting
[20:47] <Riddell> rbelem: but it should be ok now?
[20:48] <rbelem> Riddell, yep, :-) the latest changes were awesome :-)
[20:52] <rbelem> Riddell, i will update the package today. should i proceed filling a new bug for that?
[20:54] <Riddell> rbelem: cool, filing a bug would work yes
[20:55] <Riddell> and posting ithere
[20:55] <Riddell> and posting it here
[20:55] <rbelem> Riddell, is the latest bug description and other fields ok? Is there any procedure to follow?
[20:55] <rbelem> cool
[20:56] <Riddell> rbelem: the main procedure is just to find someone with access rights to upload it
[20:56] <Riddell> you can use any mechanism to get the files to one of us, a bug is just a way of doing that
[20:58] <rbelem> Riddell, sweet
[20:58] <rbelem> :-)
[20:59] <rbelem> Riddell, these days i will restart the kdm-plasma work
[21:00] <rbelem> and i will ask asac to build images :-)
[21:05] <shadeslayer> im off to sleep.. bye guys ..
[21:05] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: bye
[21:05] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: send me a ping when maverick gets fix0red
[21:05] <shadeslayer> and how come you didnt go for skateboarding?
[21:05] <shadeslayer> :P
[21:06] <Quintasan> I went skateboarding
[21:06] <Quintasan> It's 10 pm here now
[21:06] <Quintasan> :O
[21:06] <shadeslayer> oh i see
[21:06] <shadeslayer> its 1.30 AM 
[21:06] <shadeslayer> here .. :P
[21:20] <Riddell> rbelem: kdm-plasma?  what's that?
[21:21] <rbelem> Riddell, a gsoc project :-)
[21:21] <rbelem> Riddell, http://sreich.blogspot.com/2010/06/kdm-plasma-update.html
[21:22] <rbelem> Riddell, svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/work/kdm-plasma/kdm
[21:24] <rbelem> Riddell, i'm making some changes to kdebase-workspace package to allow kdm-plasma build outside of it
[21:25] <rbelem> but i stopped to focus on ksambashare
[21:37] <Tm_T> Riddell: Kaffeine doesn't use Phonon?
[21:38] <maco> Tm_T: nope, xine directly
[21:38] <Tm_T> interesting, it were using Phonon at some point I thought
[21:39] <Tm_T> I wonder if it's due to DVB
[21:41] <Riddell> Tm_T: the website has some feable excuse
[21:44] <Tm_T> so much I have missed since I stopped following more closely
[21:44] <Riddell> rbelem: I wonder if a LightDM frontend would be easier than touching KDM code
[21:45] <Riddell> LightDM is a new project by someone on Canonical's desktop team
[21:45] <Riddell> DM frontend and backend separated by nice dbus interface and codebase is surprisingly small but does more than KDM as far as I can tell
[21:46] <Riddell> (just a random thought)
[21:46] <shtylman> what is light dm?
[21:46] <rbelem> Riddell, i think that would be easier, but we will need an on screen keyboard
[21:46] <rbelem> Riddell, hum... that's nice
[21:46] <Riddell> shtylman: new DM done by robert ancell
[21:47] <shtylman> gtk based?
[21:47] <Riddell> backend uses glib, frontends can be written for it in anything, he was wondering if KDE would be interested in making one
[21:48] <rbelem> Riddell, do you think kde will accept if we port it to plasma?
[21:48] <shtylman> why does it have a backend?
[21:48] <shtylman> its a dm...
[21:48] <shtylman> why isn't it all just a gui component?
[21:48] <Riddell> shtylman: all DMs have backend and frontend including KDM
[21:49] <shtylman> I see
[21:49] <Riddell> rbelem: too early to say, KDM isn't too well maintained but it would need to be shown that lightdm is notably better
[21:49] <shtylman> heh
[21:50] <shtylman> if this lightdm can replace kdm and ksplash I am all for it :)
[21:50] <Riddell> not ksplash only kdm
[21:51] <rbelem> Riddell, i think that would be nice if we take this as a kubuntu project :-)
[21:52] <maco> and then you only need to know 1 dbus command for logging out when your mouse stops working, whether you use kde or gnome!
[21:52] <Riddell> rbelem: I forwarded you the details by e-mail
[21:53] <rbelem> Riddell, cool :-)
[21:54] <JontheEchidna> looks like k3b needs a rebuild for the libmpcdec stuff. I'll do it if nobody has already (I don't see anything on LP)
[21:57] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: please do
[21:57] <JontheEchidna> ok
[22:09] <ulysses> JontheEchidna: that qapt build stucked a little:P
[22:11] <JontheEchidna> :P
[22:37] <Quintasan> gah I'm bored
[22:43] <yofel> Quintasan: watch out, nigelb said that too once, now he has to review patches :P
[22:43] <Quintasan> lol
[22:45] <dantti> ScottK: Riddell, JontheEchidna the final new ui http://imagebin.ca/view/KvngI7E.html  liked it? could be better?
[22:45] <dantti> *just for updates...
[23:00] <shtylman> dantti: maybe less nesting? kinda feels like there are too many "boxes"
[23:02] <dantti> shtylman: what do you mean? don't get it
[23:03] <shtylman> the "details" area.. is a frame.. and in it is another frame... and all of that appears to be in a frame... all inside of a frame for the particulat package
[23:04] <shtylman> basically all the blue stuff
[23:04] <shtylman> is like 3 or 4 frames it appears
[23:05] <shtylman> just makes it seem "cluttered" imho ... but dunno what much you could do about it
[23:05] <dantti> shadeslayer: what do you suggest? removing the ktextbbrowser?
[23:06] <dantti> make the background of the text transparent?
[23:34] <sheytan_> good night everyone :)