[00:09] <uRock> Finally started testing 10.10 in a VBox and was happy that it installed without a hitch.
[00:12] <DrHalan> uRock: theres nothing to be happy aobut. Using maverick on my machine for a month without problems..
[00:13] <uRock> DrHalan, that takes the fun out of it
[00:13] <DrHalan> out of what?
[00:13] <uRock> testing
[00:13] <DrHalan> alright :D
[00:14]  * uRock Linkes being sarcastic =)
[00:14] <uRock> Likes
[00:16] <DrHalan> do you know if there will be gtk3 in maverick
[00:16] <DrHalan> it doesn't seem like..
[00:16] <uRock> no clue
[00:17] <uRock> I haven't looked into much of anything yet
[00:17] <DrHalan> i don't want to wait another rleease for it..
[00:18] <uRock> I mostly want to see the ayatana stuff for Netbooks will look
[00:19] <DrHalan> you men indicator-appmenu?
[00:19] <DrHalan> or the new network-indicator?
[00:19] <uRock> all of the above
[00:20] <uRock> the stuff that caused them to put the buttons on the left
[00:20] <DrHalan> oh the windicators?
[00:20] <DrHalan> i don't know if that is really worked on
[00:20] <DrHalan> http://twitpic.com/27v3gq
[00:20] <DrHalan> thats how my desktop looks like
[00:20] <uRock> yup, those
[00:21] <DrHalan> notice i don't have a legacy statusmenu anymore
[00:21] <DrHalan> and the menu of my apps has moved in the upper panel similiar to OSX
[00:21] <uRock> looks good
[00:23] <DrHalan> but i don't know if the windicators really will make it into maverick as i don't see any pacakges for them yet
[00:24] <uRock> I hope so, but I won't be too broken hearted.
[00:26] <Daekdroom> There'll be no GTK3 in maverick
[00:26] <Daekdroom> Because it'd require to ship GTK2 AND GTK3 in a single CD, as they can't do such fast transition..
[00:27] <DrHalan> -.-
[00:28] <DrHalan> i thought its normal that the releases after the LTS are a little broken
[00:30] <kklimonda> well, a little broken and unshippable are two different things
[00:31] <DrHalan> well there is a gnome 3.0 release so all core apps should be compatible with gtk3
[00:31] <kklimonda> but we ship much more then only core apps on cd
[00:31] <Daekdroom> DrHalan, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-maverick-gnome
[00:32] <DrHalan> mh
[00:32] <DrHalan> back when kde 4.0 came out there was a "4.0 remix" beside the normal Kubuntu release
[00:33] <DrHalan> will something like this happen?
[00:42] <DanaG> Say, how the heck do I point a vnc client at the SECOND head?
[00:42] <DanaG> I have :0.0 and :0.1, and can only seem to connect to :0.0.
[01:03] <BUGabundo> nite guys
[01:16] <ChogyDan> anyone happen to know about a low latency kernel?
[01:36] <DrHalan> ChogyDan: what for?
[01:37] <ChogyDan> DrHalan: well, it was referenced to me, but I don't know where to find it
[01:39] <ChogyDan> basically, I want to look at how it is packaged
[01:58] <bjsnider> ChogyDan, the low latency kernel is called -rt, for realtime
[01:58] <ChogyDan> ah, ok
[01:59] <bjsnider> #ubuntu-kernel has the guys who package it if you want to ask them directly
[01:59] <bjsnider> the kernel team in other words
[02:00] <ChogyDan> yeah, I should ask them, thanks
[04:15] <johnjohn101> what's the version of freetype that will ship with 10.10?
[04:18] <ZykoticK9> johnjohn101, if you know the actual freetype package name, in this channel use "!info $PACKAGENAME"
[04:19] <johnjohn101> !info freetype
[04:20] <johnjohn101> !info mono
[04:21] <ZykoticK9> johnjohn101, the reason i said the whole "if you know" part is cause i'd already tried "apt-cache policy freetype" and knew it didn't exist, sorry that wasn't clear.
[04:23] <johnjohn101> don't worry, I'll download alpha 3 in a few days
[12:34] <yofel_> huh? they moved the 'Reported by ...' line to the left on launchpad o.O (edge)
[12:34] <yofel> and the flames look kind of lost on that layout..
[12:34] <yofel> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtm/+bug/573785 for example
[12:37] <yofel> meh, wrong #
[13:35] <gnomefreak> does anyone notice that Ubuntu software center starts downloading when you choose a package instead of starting when you are finished?
[13:52] <yofel> gnomefreak: afaik that's intended, once you click on install it starts installing, so it already does something while you're looking at other packages
[13:53] <gnomefreak> it makes it hard to keep up with what you already installed, doing alot of packages
[14:26] <Zeus__> Hello! Am I going to have any problems if I have a fresh install of Ubuntu 10.10 on my laptop keeping the partition of the Home folder of 10.04 untouched?
[14:33] <Pici> Zeus__: Probably not, but maybe.
[14:33] <Pici> Zeus__: Actually, let me rephrase that.  You'll only potentially have issues if you are dual booting between 10.04 and 10.10 with a shared .home
[14:33] <Pici> er /home
[14:34] <Zeus__> Pici, thank you :)
[14:38] <gnomefreak> alot of packages are haveing depends issues atm
[16:22] <napsy> Hello. Are catalyst drivers working on 10.10?
[16:56] <Machtin> hey guys.. i'm a bit stuck:  pidgin: Depends: pidgin-data (< 1:2.7.1-z) but 1:2.7.2-1ubuntu1 is to be installed. <- any thoughts on that?
[16:57] <Machtin> Should I just wait or can i somehow fix that?
[17:13] <Machtin> never mind, 'fixed' it.
[17:16] <IdleOne> !info sessioninstaller
[17:58] <patdk-wk> fun, another grub update
[17:59] <jpds> Hmm, food time.
[18:22] <Daekdroom> Ha. Maverick wins. GNOME 3 delayed.
[18:38] <charlie-tca> ummm, I think that would be Maverick loses. Gnome 3 is not going to make into it, even for testing
[18:39] <Daekdroom> charlie-tca, I always assumed it wouldn't make it into Maverick at all, except by, who knows, a PPA.
[19:03] <rpius> Does anyone have any idea on the progress of "windicators" for maverick? It's almost alpha3 now and still no sign of it.....
[19:03] <DrHalan> hey
[19:03] <DrHalan> where do debug libs normally go
[19:04] <DrHalan> it seems like every package does this differently
[19:04] <DrHalan> some are in /usr/lib/debug others are in /usr/debug/lib others are in /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib
[19:05] <yofel> DrHalan: at least here on amd64 all debug libs that are installed by dpkg are in /usr/lib/debug/*
[19:06] <DrHalan> yeah thats where i put mine..
[19:06] <DrHalan> just wanted to see if do my packages right
[19:06] <yofel> if you're packaging something dh_strip should take care of that
[19:09] <DrHalan> still waiting for a gui app to create my packages :D
[19:09] <gnomefreak> its faster and easier to learn the text way :)
[19:10] <DrHalan> took me ages and i don't do anything comples
[19:11] <DrHalan> i just put build a .so and put it into /usr/lib
[19:12] <yofel> well, unless you strip the file you shouldn't need another debug file
[19:18] <DrHalan> strip?
[19:18] <yofel> DrHalan: remove debug symbols from object / binary files
[19:19] <yofel> see 'man strip' and 'man dh_strip'
[19:19] <DrHalan> mh i just have two targets in my makefile
[19:19] <DrHalan> one for release and one for debug
[19:19] <DrHalan> and they get placed at the specific directories..
[19:19] <DrHalan> debuild can do that for me?
[19:20] <yofel> yes, if you build with debug (-g usually) you'll get debug symbols in the binaries
[19:20] <yofel> dpkg always *discards* those unless you override dh_strip to create a -dbg package (and the official buildds always put them into a -dbgsym package)
[19:22] <yofel> so the packaged binaries never have debug symbols, you always have to install a debug package if you want the debug symbols
[19:22] <yofel> (like this the application packages are smaller)
[19:24] <DrHalan> mh if its like taht i don't know if my rules file is correct
[19:24] <DrHalan> http://pastebin.com/vwbwZLWQ
[19:26] <yofel> hm, looks ok to me, you won't get debug symbols in the package though since dh_strip will remove them (you *could* install 'pkg-create-dbgsym' so a -dbgsym package will automatically be created if you build locally, like on the official buildds)
[19:29] <DrHalan> sothere is  dbg package withoutdebug symbols? lol
[19:30] <DrHalan> can is just remove the dh_strip thing?
[19:31] <yofel> try it, I don't know
[19:32]  * gnomefreak wonders what #ubuntu-motu is for :X
[19:32] <yofel> sry, we're finished I think
[19:32] <yofel> now that I think about it, there's #ubuntu-packaging too
[19:32] <DrHalan> man says If the DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS environment variable contains "nostrip",        nothing will be stripped
[19:32] <DrHalan> mh whats "DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS"?
[19:33] <DrHalan> or betterwhere is it
[19:36] <DrHalan> mh whatever g2g
[19:36] <DrHalan> thanks yofel :)
[19:38] <gnomefreak> yofel: was it you that told me that the password prompt was do to auto login?
[19:39] <yofel> I don't think so
[19:40] <gnomefreak> ok
[19:40]  * gnomefreak cant recall who but either way i asked for confirm in -bugs
[20:07] <napsy> Hello. Are catalyst drivers working on latest 10.10?
[20:07] <patdk-wk> heh, another grub update, another boot failure :(
[20:10] <patdk-wk> heh, rebooting it after the first boot, seems to have fixed it
[20:39] <calmdude> i need help for "lucid & nvidia proprietary driver"?
[20:39] <calmdude> anyone?
[20:41] <gnomefreak> calmdude: join #ubuntu for Lucid support
[20:41] <gnomefreak> Please read the topic of channel for more info
[20:42]  * gnomefreak smoke
[20:43] <calmdude> im already in there and nobody cares/knows
[20:47] <gnomefreak> calmdude: it has alot of users in there please be patient and someone will answer you. if not you can try ubuntuforums.com
[20:47] <gnomefreak> this is not an overflow channel for #ubuntu
[21:04] <calmdude> overflow channel?
[21:05] <calmdude> u just invented the term by yourself, dont u?
[21:05] <patdk-wk> heh
[21:05] <gnomefreak> CardinalFang: you weroverflow was wrong word
[21:06] <gnomefreak> since the channel is not full
[21:06] <gnomefreak> hes gone. sorry CardinalFang
[21:55] <Guest56089> I'm searching for the feature that allows us to maintain several 10.10 computers for updates and whatever else this new feature offers
[21:55] <Guest56089> what is it called?
[21:55] <Volkodav> If I need to install on btrfs I have to partition /boot and do that from alternate CD  right ?
[21:56] <Volkodav> and grub goes to /boot obviously
[21:56] <Guest56089> Volkodav, and I think /boot cannot be btrfs
[21:56] <Volkodav> right
[21:57] <Guest56089> I read there was something new with respect to maintaining several computer but don't know what it is called
[21:57] <Guest56089> *computers
[21:59] <JontheEchidna> OneConf?
[22:00] <Mike__> that OneConf looks promising
[22:01] <Mike__> JontheEchidna, google says you are spot on!
[22:34]  * theoctagon installs ubuntu maverick meercat on btrfs on a virtual box - waiting for installation to complete
[22:38] <patdk-wk> heh
[22:38] <patdk-wk> I just upgraded my lucid to maveric, then converted it to btrfs :)
[22:38] <patdk-wk> stupid flash drive keeps failing
[22:40] <judgen> could anyone check what version of AmiWM that is included in maverick?
[22:42] <yofel> !info amiwm
[22:42] <yofel> same version as in debian
[22:45] <judgen> thnks
[23:34] <Volkodav> anybody installed today from daily alternate CD? mine failed twice
[23:42] <Volkodav>  /boot does not have to be sdx1 ? it can be any partition on a drive as long as it has bootable flag ?