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Riddellremoving gdesklets-data package01:18
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pittiGood morning07:09
bilalakhtarSomeone, kindly sponsor fix for bug #58589207:09
ubot2Launchpad bug 585892 in gwibber (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Message text should use Document Font, not Application Font (affects: 2) (heat: 65)" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/58589207:09
pittididrocks: eww, UNR failed to build07:13
pittiThe following packages have unmet dependencies:07:14
pitti  computer-janitor: Depends: python-fstab (>= 1.2) but it is not installable07:14
pitti  libmailtools-perl: Depends: libtimedate-perl but it is not installable07:14
pittiseems some MIRing is in order07:14
pittiah, c-j 2.0.2-0ubuntu2 fixed that07:18
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pittididrocks: respinning u-netbook07:29
RAOFCould someone please sponsor mesa 7.8.2?  http://cooperteam.net/Packages/mesa_7.8.2-2ubuntu1_source.changes & http://cooperteam.net/Packages/mesa_7.8.2-2ubuntu1.dsc - it's got a couple of fixes, most importantly a fix to stop Xserver 1.9 crashing when unity starts, so it needs to go in before 1.9 :)07:35
pittididrocks: argh, failed again; c-j isn't built yet, and the buildds are clogged :-(07:43
pittiRAOF: sure07:44
RAOFpitti: Ta.07:44
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and471mvo, is there any point me working on this bug if we are going to replace gdebi with SC? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdebi/+bug/37696608:12
ubot2Ubuntu bug 376966 in gdebi (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) ""Automatically Close" checkbox is not remembered (affects: 4) (heat: 24)" [Low,Triaged]08:12
and471mvo, if there is me worth in fixing it, I wish to have consistency in synaptic and gdebi, so how do I access the configuration of synaptic?08:20
and471(from gdebi)08:20
bilalakhtarmvo: you there?08:21
mvoand471: it would still be nice to fix it, other distros may wish to keep gdebi because it has less dependencies for example08:21
mvobilalakhtar: yes08:21
bilalakhtarmvo: you got my mail?08:21
bilalakhtarmvo: about synaptic08:21
bilalakhtarand s-c08:21
mvobilalakhtar: yes, just read it, sorry that I haven't looked at the branches earlier and many thanks for working on it!08:22
and471mvo, ok, so how do I access synaptic's config from another app (could you point me to a config file etc.)08:22
mvobilalakhtar: I check the code right away :)08:22
bilalakhtarSuper Thanks mvo !08:23
mvoand471: its a "normal" apt config file that lives in /root/.synaptic, I can give you the magic to open it, hold on a sec08:24
* and471 is cloning evolution from git... urghh I thought git was meant to be fast...08:25
bilalakhtarand471: bzr rocks! git is slow, that is known worldwide08:26
mvoand471: apt_pkg.read_config_file() is the one08:26
and471bilalakhtar, :)08:26
and471mvo, thanks, I shall try to get it working08:26
bilalakhtarand471: reason for that is that the .git folder in git trees is huge08:27
and471bilalakhtar, yup...and my internet connection sucks :D08:28
* bilalakhtar has used git for one of his projects, then dumped it for bazaar08:30
and471mvo, for apt_pkg.read_config_file(configuration: Configuration, filename: str)08:41
mvobilalakhtar: s-c fix commited, thanks08:41
and471mvo, how do you recommend I create the config object?08:41
mvoand471: well, you can use the apt_pkg.config one08:41
* bilalakhtar celebrates the sponsorship of his s-c fix thanks to mvo08:41
mvoand471: I think :) its global, but synaptic has his own namespace08:41
bilalakhtarmvo: and what about synaptic? is it needed? i suppose08:42
and471mvo, yes but should I just create a blank one, or use the global?08:42
mvobilalakhtar: I modified it a tiny bit because dialog.run() would still block, check r949 if you are interessted (ideally the hide() bit would go into the glade file, for some reason that did not work when I tried it, but maybe you can make it work :) ?08:42
mvoand471: the global one should be fine08:42
mvoand471: all the stuff in the config file from synaptic is prefixed with "Synaptic::"08:43
mvoand471: so no namespace clashes08:43
and471mvo, ok cool thanks08:43
mvobilalakhtar: synaptic I look at next08:43
mvobilalakhtar: could you please set https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bilalakhtar/ubuntu/maverick/software-center/papercut-fix-550955/+merge/30883 to merged? I merged it into lp:software-center and LP does not get that and waits for it to appear in lp:ubuntu/software-center (which it will only after the next upload)08:46
and471mvo, sorry for bugging you, but I am using gdebit from launchpad to solve a bug, but I get this messageAttributeError: type object 'DebPackage' has no attribute 'VERSION_NONE'08:46
bilalakhtarok08:46
and471mvo, do I need a new version or something?08:47
bilalakhtardone08:47
mvoand471: that sounds like a bug in the code, can you give me the full backtrace please?08:47
mvobilalakhtar: thanks, the synaptic fix looks nice too08:47
and471mvo, http://pastebin.ca/190992608:48
bilalakhtarmvo: done08:48
bilalakhtar?08:48
* bilalakhtar celebrates again!08:48
mvoand471: do you have the latest (maverick) python-apt ?08:55
and471mvo, probably not08:55
mvoand471: I think thats the reason, should be safe to get it from maverick08:56
and471ok08:56
mvoand471: or build a local version from lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/python-apt/ubuntu08:56
mvo(or from lp:ubuntu/maverick/python-apt :)08:56
and471mvo, I tried that but debuild shouted at me :(08:56
and471hehe08:56
mvooh08:57
mvohm, try copying apt/debfile.py (the cowboy method ;) - that contains iirc all the required changes08:57
and471haha08:59
mvobilalakhtar: you can set both synaptic branches to merged now, thanks again09:01
bilalakhtarmvo: I should thank you!09:02
pittimvo: I'm currently trying the verification steps on bug 57058309:05
ubot2Launchpad bug 570583 in ubuntu-system-service (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 1 other project) "does not check all required locks in is_package_system_locked (affects: 2) (heat: 53)" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/57058309:05
pittimvo: but starting update-notifier doesn't seem to dbus-activate ubuntu-system-service at all09:05
pittiso step 4 fails for me09:05
mvopitti: hm, that is odd09:07
pittiah, hang on, PEBCAK09:07
pitti"apt-get install ubuntu-system-service/lucid" didn't actually downgrade, sorry09:07
* pitti runs again09:07
pittiah, works now09:08
mvocool :)09:08
and471mvo, hmm, I just installed the package from here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/i386/python-apt/0.7.95ubuntu2 but still get that error09:16
and471mvo, is that a recent enough version?09:16
mvoand471: yeah, that should be fine. so maybe its a real bug afterall, let me look again09:24
mvoand471: yeah, real bug, let me fix09:27
mvoand471: fixed in gdebi trunk (r327) - could you please check/verify?09:38
and471mvo, sure09:38
and471mvo, still get Exception while reading the filelist: ''DebPackage' object has no attribute 'control_filelist'' but it doesn't crash :)09:39
and471mvo, thanks09:39
and471mvo, after doing apt_pkg.config.set("Synaptic::closeZvt", str(autoclose))09:49
and471mvo, do I need to call a function to update the synaptic config file09:49
mvoand471: yeah, there is a dump() method, but it seems to be not exported via python-apt09:51
mvoand471: actually I was incorrect, the python-apt version in maverick is slightly outdated, I fix that now09:51
and471mvo, ok, so how do I update the config file?09:52
mvoand471: I need to check what is the easiest way09:56
and471mvo, ok thanks, no rush bbiab09:56
mvoand471: maybe its to add the Dump() maethod09:57
and471mvo, any progress?11:00
mvoand471: not yet, sorry. got distracted11:00
and471mvo, np11:01
and471mpt, could I have a concrete decision on this so I can make a patch?11:02
and471...11:02
mvoand471: here is how synaptic is doing it11:03
mvohttp://paste.ubuntu.com/410177/11:03
and471come on launchpad....11:03
mptand471, sorry, on what?11:04
and471mpt, sorry my internet is slow, I am waiting for a link to a bug...11:04
and471mpt, here we go https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lernid/+bug/54696811:05
ubot2Ubuntu bug 546968 in lernid (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Inappropriately appears in Ubuntu Software Center "Developer Tools" > "Python" (affects: 2) (heat: 37)" [Low,Confirmed]11:05
and471mvo, wrong link?11:05
and471mvo, that is some docky traceback11:05
mvoand471: ups, sorry http://paste.ubuntu.com/470177/11:05
mptand471, I've never used Lernid, I've just read about it. From what I've read, it seems like Education would be a good category for it inside Applications as well as in USC.11:06
and471mvo, yuck xO11:06
and471mpt, it is just one else has responded, and so I just wanted to make sure there was someone else that agreed with Education11:07
mvoand471: yeah :/11:07
and471mpt, I shall make the patch now11:07
and471mvo, I shall have a look at that in a bit11:08
and471mvo, with the apt configuration format, I have Synaptic "" { at the start, what is the ""?11:26
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karim__something wrong with my ubuntu. sometime when I switch on the window border disappears.12:18
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asacis seb128 travelling?12:47
mvoasac: yes, guadec12:48
mvoasac: like the rest of the desktop team ;)12:48
asaclazy bastardo ;M)12:48
asacah, so an orgy like situation ;)12:48
mvothat describes a guadec pretty well I think12:49
asacmvo: is someone taking lead responsibilities for desktop team while he is away?12:50
mvoasac: I think he will be around on irc every now and then and read his mail12:51
mvoasac: what do you need?12:51
asacmvo: i need a say on whether desktop team is positive on getting mlterm in main12:52
asacthe RTL folks want a new terminal it seems ;)12:52
mvohm, my gut feeling is that we should make gnome-termianl better12:53
mvoinstead of having two12:53
* rickspencer3 reads up with interest12:54
rickspencer3asac, I'm not sure that we need yet another terminal12:54
mvoI guess guadec is the *perfect* opportunity to talk to g-t upstream about missing features for RTL12:55
rickspencer3mvo, I might do that if I had a reason to care ;)12:55
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chrisccoulsonhey rick, how's guadec going?12:56
rickspencer3hi chrisccoulson12:56
ograalternatively just drop g-t :)12:56
rickspencer3I haven't gotten to see too much of it so far12:56
ogramlterm can do LTR just fine *g*12:56
chrisccoulsonogra - have you tried using mlterm? ;)12:56
ograchrisccoulson, not really, no, i'm just joking12:56
chrisccoulsonogra - last time i tried it, it had a feature set on par with xterm ;)12:57
ograisnt that enough ?12:57
mvorickspencer3: heh :) I'm sure the arabic, hebrew, urdu and syriac users will much appreciate if we support them :)12:57
ograwhi needs more than xterm12:57
ogra*who12:57
mvobut I don't really know what the problem with g-t is, what is missing to make it work etc so I better shut up12:58
rickspencer3those languages don'12:59
rickspencer3t work with g-t?12:59
rickspencer3oh wow, there are a lot of supported encoding in mlterm12:59
mvoI don't know if g-t is not working, or just not working well enough12:59
rickspencer3or maybe it's find and they are asking out of reasons of pure irrelevant preferences13:00
rickspencer3I'll choose that answer, since it means less work ;)13:00
mvohaha13:00
mvoindeed13:00
rickspencer3oops13:00
rickspencer3time to run to the session13:00
rickspencer3later all13:00
asacRiddell: ah you are here13:23
asacrickspencer3: oops ... you ;)13:23
asacrickspencer3: bug 60302213:24
ubot2Launchpad bug 603022 in mlterm (Ubuntu) "[MIR] mlterm (affects: 4) (heat: 32)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60302213:24
asaccould you say yes or no in that bug? i think arne was in favour, but i see the point posted that if users really need a RTL terminal as an end user13:24
asacthey will know how to get it13:24
rickspencer3asac, why can't users just install it from Universe?13:25
asacright13:25
asacpersonally i think thats fine.13:25
asaci asked if it wasnt confusing to have two terminals ... and he answers that RTL users will know13:26
asacsimilarly i think they would know how to get it from software-center13:26
mvodidrocks: if you see seb, can you ask him if gtks event handling had a massive regression in performance? just filling a gtk.ProgressBar from 1-100 takes 1.7s on my maverick system, my lucid netbook does this in 0.7 (and its a netbook, not a core2 duo etc)13:29
mvodidrocks: regression in maverick13:29
asaci lost all but 2 tomboy notes :((13:56
asacloss rate: 998/100013:56
highvoltageasac: maverick?13:57
asacanyone knows where tomboy stores them? i deleted some .XXX dirs during cleanup ... so it could be me rather than maverick13:57
asacbut the fact that 2 notes are still there feels like it was maverick13:57
asachighvoltage: yes :(13:57
jpds~/.tomboy/13:57
asaci didnt delete that ://13:57
highvoltageI believe ~/.tomboy is the old location13:57
highvoltageI think it's ~/.local/share/tomboy now13:58
asacyeah. so i think i deleted those that were in .local13:58
asacthat sucks ;)13:58
highvoltagehopefully you have backups :)13:58
asachope13:58
asacnope13:58
highvoltage:(13:58
asaci really dont like .local ... that was 5GB in size13:59
asacand i delted it because i didnt know that stuff is living there now ;)13:59
asacbut well. guess i will not do that again :/13:59
highvoltageyeah getting used to it is kind of hard. but I kind of like that config is moving more and more to .config and local user data more to .local, it means I have less hidden files in my home directory to worry about (and it makes it easier to identify important directories to back up)14:02
didrocksmvo: seb is looking at it14:04
mvodidrocks: I can send him a small demo script if that helps14:04
seb128hey mvo, would be useful14:08
seb128could you give me details on your gtk version as well?14:09
seb128mvo, unset UBUNTU_MENUPROXY14:09
seb128does that make any difference if you do that before running your test?14:09
mvoseb128: hey! I have the latest gtk in maverick14:10
seb128mvo, can you give the exact version?14:10
seb128mvo, just to make sure you don't have a ppa rgba or something?14:11
mvo2.21.2-0ubuntu514:11
seb128ok14:11
mvoeh, sorry14:11
mvo2.21.2-0ubuntu614:11
mvoactually14:11
seb128did those issues started recently?14:12
mvoseb128: not sure, I recently noticed it, but I have no idea how recent it started14:13
seb128mvo, did you try the unset?14:13
mvoseb128: yes, no change, but I don't think its even set for me14:14
mvoseb128: might be theme too, not sure. I see that u-m is slow as a crawl when it does "building data structures". this is partly a bug in python-apt that it calls update() too often14:15
seb128ok14:15
mvoseb128: but that was the same in lucid and there it was not *that* slow14:16
mvoseb128: do you see the super slow update as well?14:16
mvoseb128: or is it maybe card specific?14:16
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seb128mvo, the initial "loading"?14:18
seb128it has always been slow there14:18
seb128I'm not sure how much slower it is or not14:18
seb128it takes some 5 seconds on my laptop config14:18
mvoseb128: 5s is nothing, takes minutes here now (on both nouveau and ati)14:19
seb128mvo, urg14:20
seb128I didn't see that on any of my boxes14:20
seb128using intel though14:20
seb128mvo, could you try to force downgrade cairo to 1.8?14:20
mvoseb128: script is here http://paste.ubuntu.com/470231/14:22
mvoseb128: let me know what time it takes for oyu14:22
seb128took:  0.17901110649114:23
seb128mvo, ^14:23
mvoseb128: woah, takes up to 3s for me14:25
mvoseb128: imagine!14:25
mvoseb128: radiance theme14:26
mvoseb128: I will try the downgrade next14:26
seb128mvo, same theme there14:29
seb128mvo, try old cairo14:29
seb128mvo, you can probably ld_preload it14:32
mvoseb128: I can not downgrade it in isolation, I try downgrading the stack now and see what it gives me14:35
seb128mvo, you can unpack the deb and ld_preload it14:36
seb128no?14:36
mvoseb128: too lazy ;)14:38
mvoseb128: ok, so with downgraded stack 0.27s14:38
mvoseb128: next is the ld_preload one14:38
mvoseb128: new libgtk, old cairo, no change, still fast14:39
mvoseb128: new cairo> slow14:39
seb128right14:40
seb128I've read some bugs about similar issues with firefox14:40
seb128it seems worth raising on the cairo bug tracker14:40
seb128seems driver specific14:40
mvoseb128: yep, LD_PRELOAD confirms it, do you want a bug report?14:40
seb128no, I've some14:40
mvoseb128: with script and numbers?14:40
seb128I want somebody having the issue to raise it to upstream14:41
seb128new cairo hits a path which is slow on some drivers I think14:41
seb128but not on intel14:41
mvoseb128: ok, then please give me a bugnumber and I will attach my data14:41
faganmvo: I cant do much at the moment without a ubuntu computer to test on could you finish off my patch its in https://code.launchpad.net/~shanepatrickfagan/software-properties/software-properties-updates-changes14:41
faganthe ui stuff is done14:41
faganjust needs the backend to be finished14:42
mvothanks, I have look. but I'm afraid the "just" is more than just a just :)14:42
faganwell the checkbox was removed and the rest is just more or less a rewording14:43
mvoI mean, fixing the backend is a bit of work14:43
faganOh yeah14:43
faganwith the dbus stuff and all14:44
faganbut I wasnt counting that :)14:44
mvoyeah14:44
mvo:)14:44
seb128mvo, bug #595845?14:44
ubot2Launchpad bug 595845 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "During "Building data structures" when starting the update-manager Xorg takes up 100% cpu (affects: 12) (heat: 60)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59584514:44
seb128mvo, I don't find the firefox bug now, need to search in my emails14:45
mvothanks seb12814:51
seb128mvo, see bug #60482214:53
ubot2Launchpad bug 604822 in cairo (Ubuntu) "libcairo2 1.9.10 makes Ubuntu 10.10 unusably slow (affects: 1) (dups: 1) (heat: 315)" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60482214:53
seb128mvo, not sure why it got closed14:54
mvoseb128: ok, I moved bug #595845 to cairo14:55
ubot2Launchpad bug 595845 in cairo (Ubuntu) "During "Building data structures" when starting the update-manager Xorg takes up 100% cpu (affects: 12) (heat: 60)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59584514:55
mvoseb128: is it realisitic to get that in for alpha3? otherwise it will be not very useful for nvidia/ati users? or should I start adding hacks^Wworkaround for a3?14:55
seb128mvo, try to talk to ickle on #cairo maybe about it14:55
seb128mvo, I would like to know when that started and what users are affected14:56
seb128mvo, "that" being a fix? I think somebody having the issue needs to talk to upstream14:56
seb128but it seems it's buggy drivers14:56
seb128so I doubt it will change this week14:56
seb128bug #60482414:57
ubot2Launchpad bug 604824 in cairo (Ubuntu) "libcairo2 1.9.10 makes Ubuntu 10.10 unusably slow (dup-of: 604822)" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60482414:57
ubot2Launchpad bug 604822 in cairo (Ubuntu) "libcairo2 1.9.10 makes Ubuntu 10.10 unusably slow (affects: 1) (dups: 1) (heat: 315)" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60482214:57
seb128ok, that's a duplicate of the one from before14:57
mvoRAOF: do you have a idea aobut the driver issues around bug #59584514:59
ubot2Launchpad bug 595845 in cairo (Ubuntu) "libcairo2 1.9.10 makes Ubuntu 10.10 unusably slow (affects: 12) (heat: 60)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59584514:59
seb128mvo, try #cairo14:59
seb128mvo, though I guess some of them are busy at GUADEC14:59
asacalf__: there?15:02
asacoops15:02
asaclets move to right channel15:02
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seb128mvo, Company says a sysprof log would be useful on a bug15:46
seb128if ickle doesn't have an idea about the issue15:46
mvoseb128: sorry, I did not manage to talk to him yet (ickle)15:48
seb128mvo, no worry he doesn't seem to be online, just open a bug if you want and I will ping him later about it15:50
mvoseb128: ok, will do, thanks15:54
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and471vish, mvo, I have fixed the gdebi papercut and it should be ready for merging https://code.launchpad.net/~and471/gdebi/fix-37696616:20
and471vish, there I think two more papercuts with fixes :)16:27
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vishand471: cool , now let me track down the maintainers.. gdebi is taken care of above^^ ;)16:44
and471vish, hehe16:45
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