=== dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === sconklin is now known as sconklin-gone [00:09] superm1: Would you like me to take care of the mythtv packages for the jack transition, or are you going to be touching them in the next couple of weeks for other updates? [00:09] TheMuso, they're FTBFS right now on the current Qt in maverick, so they'll be touched by us at some point [00:09] superm1: Ok thanks. === oubiwann is now known as oubiwann-away [02:00] geser: I do believe I've caught up with the four month removals backlog, let me know if whatever you wanted didn't happen [02:03] Riddell: Ah dude! You're the loan soldier again. This is really starting to suck. :) [02:03] For you [02:10] yes, it is [02:57] iulian: hi Iulian, is that possible to upgrade guilt to 0.33 in Lucid? Lucid guilt is 0.32.2 which does not work with git 1.7.0.4 'Unsupported version of git (1.7.0.4) [04:37] ooo.. good guess.. hello [04:38] anyone else with x86-64 having the hdd go apeshit on wake from suspend as it takes LONGER to recover from suspend than just to ALT-SYSRQ+RSEINUB? [04:39] (10.4, x86-64, P8600, Catalyst 10.6, 4GB) [04:39] !ohmy [04:39] Please remember that all Ubuntu IRC channels share the same attitude of providing friendly and polite interaction with all users of all ages and cultures. Basically, this means no foul language and no abuse towards others. [04:40] I haven't seen that reported; try searching launchpad bugs? [04:40] anyone else with x86-64 having the hdd go apesh1t on wake from suspend as it takes LONGER to recover from suspend than just to ALT-SYSRQ+RSEINUB? [04:40] (10.4, x86-64, P8600, Catalyst 10.6, 4GB) [04:40] If you can't find one, file one. [04:41] sorry, didn't see your initial response since I thought that I go autocensored [04:41] No, we rely on people to speak appropriately. [04:42] doesn't happen ALL of the time, just enoughbt of the time to be INCREDIBLY annoying for an LTS release... [04:42] If you can track down the circumstances under which it happens, that would be very helpful on whatever bug you find/file. [04:43] OK, better file a bug report since I just have no idea what to try to debugon my own since I'm not even touching VM half the time that it happens... [04:43] You might also want to try using the free drivers rather than fglrx to see if that's the culprit. [04:43] or even anythign CPU or otherwise intensive [04:43] (Personally I'm suspecting the ageold daemon, npviewer ATM) [04:44] sounds similar to something I've seen [04:45] what GPU are you running and driver? [04:45] fglrx, again, with whatever was in lucid [04:46] * ajmitch was going to file a bug about it after tracking down a bit more info [04:47] the OSS driver? or did you do the restricted(ctalyst) driver/ [04:47] (I had to dump the OSS driver as it's OGL support is WAY too liited) [04:47] fglrx is the restricted driver [04:47] (er limited) [04:48] have you filed a bug report? If so I'll just ... well... anecdotally add my exp as I've got nothing "hard" to add... [04:49] as I said, no I haven't yet :) [04:50] ah.. catalyst is the proper package name for the proprietary driver BTW [04:50] fglrx is just a piece of it [04:50] fglrx is the driver, though. [04:50] yes, but it's only the base X11 driver there are other driver components beyond that [04:51] Right. There's a libgl. [04:51] fglrx is what we call it, because that's the driver name. [04:52] ok, let's not argue over trivialities [04:52] Indeed. [04:52] (better to call it catlyst though IMNHO) [04:52] Everyone should be able to pick up what you mean if you say “catalyst”; you'll just find us referring to it as fglrx. [04:53] Particularly because that's what the package is called :) [04:54] OK, anyways, I guess that I'll go fap lAUNCHPAD [04:54] Yeah. That's where to find bugs! [04:54] (er at launchpad) [04:54] got nothing to detail ... but... maybe someone else will add something useful by chance [04:55] (well other than crappy resume from suspend times...) [05:01] bug reporting is doing its best to defeat me ATM [05:02] web UI is useless as are the directions for going through the gui... [05:03] (since they dont apply) [05:04] yay bug reports only apply for PIDs or packages... how entirely useful [05:04] (I think that I'm at the wrong UI...) [05:05] Or symptoms. [05:05] it's generally preferred to use the ubuntu-bug tool, since that automates much of the log attaching, etc [05:06] yeah, I tried ubuntu-bug but it whines about no PID [05:07] if run w/no arg [05:07] and the web-UI has been totally screwed apparently [05:08] it's a freaking adventure game with no solution [05:08] ubuntu-bug 0 complains about no PID 0 [05:08] Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: 0 (https://launchpad.net/bugs/0) [05:09] (also I have NO log to attach) [05:09] (no PID to assign it to) [05:09] (just a general cockup) [05:10] (that's variably repeatable... although with no discernable triggers) [05:10] if you believe it's kernel related, put it against the 'linux' package [05:10] most suspecd/resume bugs are, though this one has a good chance of being fglrx [05:11] I don't... my personal guess is npviewer... but I could be entirely wrong [05:11] it could be nautilus or any of the other GNOME VFS daemons too... [05:11] just no idea [05:11] just LOTS of disk activity, but not much CPU usage [05:12] (when I get to a GUI/terminal) [05:12] if it's t all like what I see, it seems to be very much vm-related [05:12] sometimes I'm using 0 VM, sometimes a few 100mb no diff [05:12] iotop doesn't usually point to any one process that's hitting the disk a lot [05:13] it can happen right after a fresh powerup [05:13] or not [05:13] it's one of THOSE bugs.. [05:14] no way to force it to happen that I know of and as far as I can see nothing obviously wrong [05:16] (BTW: I've been doing lsof when I can get to a terminal nothign striking there either..) [05:16] (as root) [05:18] afk for a few minutes... then I'll deal with the bug "reporting" system again... been changed too much to discourage bug reports IMO better to be liberal in closing them than discouraging them [05:21] cutterjohn: You know, if you run just “ubuntu-bug” it'll pop up a list of symptoms for you to chose from? [05:21] I don't think that's new in Maverick. [05:24] Would anyone care to sponsor mesa 7.8.2 http://cooperteam.net/Packages/mesa_7.8.2-2ubuntu1.dsc & http://cooperteam.net/Packages/mesa_7.8.2-2ubuntu1_source.changes ? [05:25] It contains a crash fix required for GLX 1.3 (ie: Unity & clutter) before we can upgrade to Xserver 1.9 [05:27] BAK [05:28] RAOF Yes, I tried that and it bitched at me [05:28] You need to pick a package blah blah [05:29] but I've got no package to target... so... [05:29] linux [05:29] actually it gives me no option to pick a package to begin with, just bitches about it [05:30] if I pick other [05:30] Right. It wants you to run “ubuntu-bug linux” [05:31] wow, how helpful of it [05:31] (Because the kernel is a reasonable guess as to the package) [05:32] ok that worked, i'm going "I don't know" because I don't [05:32] Can I draw somebody’s attention to bug 610710, which makes dpkg-dev uninstallable? [05:32] Launchpad bug 610710 in Ubuntu "Sync libtimedate-perl 1.2000-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/610710 [05:33] The timedate source package was replaced with libtimedate-perl, but timedate was deleted in Ubuntu without libtimedate-perl having been synced. [05:34] well, that was f-ing useless as I got to enter no desc... clues as to what adventurous steps I should take to actually enter a bug report with a desc? [05:36] oh wait, it looks like it opened a new web page... brb [05:36] (without popping it to the foregorund ffs) [05:39] Is there a way to get a list of all the packages Riddell deleted so I can file more bugs? [05:44] ok, thanks guys got in a bug report finally after playing the IF game Submit an Ubuntu Bug Report game [05:44] Infocom would be astounded [05:48] (and I didn't get all the nice packaging and extras for playing it...) === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [05:52] most amazing thing, my desktop icons are now gone as well, with no changes in the nautilus desktop display config === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [07:10] Good morning [07:11] Hey pitti. [07:13] hey TheMuso, how are you? === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [07:29] zul: ... mysql ... -v .. [07:30] zul: I'll reupload myself [07:38] good morning [07:39] * pitti hugs dholbach [07:40] * dholbach hugs pitti back === zyga-afk is now known as zyga [08:19] zul, ping [08:27] hallyn: just sent a request to merge for bug 610742 [08:27] Launchpad bug 610742 in qemu-kvm (Ubuntu) "qemu shows "qemu: Unsupported syscall: 335" for pselect in Maverick" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/610742 [08:27] just to remove the annoying unsupported syscall that was removed for lucid [08:28] it's just a backport from upstream, so np applying it now [08:29] lool: you may also be interested, if you plan to run user mode emulation on current maverick qemu [08:30] time to get some sleep :-) [08:36] hi, [08:37] ArneGoetje, there? [08:37] bug 603022 [08:37] Launchpad bug 603022 in mlterm (Ubuntu) "[MIR] mlterm" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/603022 [08:46] is it possible to include Mlterm in main before the next release? [08:53] Damascene: yes [08:53] thanks [09:03] ArneGoetje: hi , could you review merge https://code.launchpad.net/~joel-auterson/ubuntu/maverick/ibus/newmenuname/+merge/30391 ? [09:04] vish: yep [09:05] thanks. [09:13] DktrKranz: hi, would you be interessed in adding a aptdaemon backend to gdebi? now that we use the debfile.py from python-apt that should be really straightforward :) [09:18] rsalveti: You could have a patch which doesn't emulate pselect but kills the warning [09:18] ArneGoetje: are you aware that this is not the first time Damascene asks this question, that several concerns were raised, and that I don't see those concerns addressed in the MIR? [09:18] Chipzz: which concerns do you mean? [09:19] ArneGoetje: one concern I remember was integration with the fontconfig etc stack [09:19] or the lack thereof [09:21] ArneGoetje: there were other concerns too, but he asked that question, what, about a month ago I think, and I saw several concerns (which the fontconfig issue was one of) raised, and I seriously doubt those issues have been resolved [09:23] who can I persuade to give a packaging training session on 12th Aug 12:00 UTC or 19th Aug 18:00 UTC or 26th Aug 0:00 UTC? :) [09:23] (19th Aug 18:00 UTC might be taken already) [09:33] Chipzz: Do you have any alternative for RTL language users? [09:39] ArneGoetje: no, just making you aware of the situation [09:40] ArneGoetje: you gave him a straight "Yes" without being aware of the larger picture [09:41] Chipzz: I am aware of those issues and also that we cannot fix them. The proper solution would be to fix vte. But I don't see this happening anytime soon. Therefor mlterm is currently the only possibility to give RTL language users a working terminal. [09:41] hello. I wanted to install lucid yesterday and tried the daily build (alterate amd64). after clicking "install ubuntu" I got the error: "uncompress error -- system halted" is this a known problem ? I could reproduce it on my notebook. I created a bootable usb stick from the iso using Ubuntu's creator [10:08] I'm putting some finishing touches on the first revision of some OpenStack packages. OpenStack does not require copyright assignment, so every single file may have lots of copyright holders, and almost no two files will have the same set of (copyright holder, year) tuples. Am I really supposed to repeat the copyright statements from every single source file in debian/copyright? [10:11] soren, I'm afraid so [10:12] Does anyone know off-hand of an example of such a monstrous debian/copyright. We're hardly the first project to not require copyright assignment, so there must be prior art to this. [10:14] soren, just pick one and see, I just had a look at audacity e g [10:14] soren, that one does not follow the spec [10:15] soren, so forget my advice and ask someone else. Sorry. [10:16] :)( [10:16] :) [10:19] mvo: hi! could do, I'm short of time lately, but I plan to fix some issues before maverick and squeeze are out, and will save a couple of days to do some work on it [10:19] Perhaps an archive admin could weigh in on acceptance criteria for this sort of thing? [10:19] DktrKranz: nice, you rock :) if I find some spare moments, I will try to attack it too, but time is short [10:20] DktrKranz: just keep me updated so that we don't duplicate anything :) [10:22] mvo: it seems "being short on time" is a common ill :) [10:22] yeah :) [10:23] tkamppeter: hi .. attached a debdiff to fix Bug #554174 , could you review it ? [10:23] Launchpad bug 554174 in One Hundred Paper Cuts "Inappropriately appears in Ubuntu Software Center "Developer Tools" > "Python"" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/554174 [10:25] cjwatson: You're listed as the AA for today, maybe you can help me out? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Basic#Copyright says " [10:25] In the case of large numbers of trivial copyright holders, not all need be mentioned (ask on IRC if you are in doubt), but all licenses must be listed" [10:25] (last bullet under "Common errors") [10:26] soren, he is on vac. afaik [10:26] Oh, right. [10:26] Darn it. [10:26] It also says later on that identifying copyright holders is a legal requirement. [10:26] ...so I feel at a bit of a loss. [10:29] soren, /usr/share/doc/linux-image-$(uname -r)/copyright ;) [10:29] i dont think it requires copyright assignment, does it ? [10:29] I don't believe it does, no. [10:29] Heh: Linux is copyrighted by Linus Torvalds and others. [10:30] that was easy. [10:30] yeah :) [10:30] Now I just need to represent that in a DEP-5 style debian/copyright. [10:31] Daviey: what was the wysiwyg editor you recommended again? [10:33] DktrKranz: I upload 0.6.2 for now and sync it to ubuntu [10:45] Would http://paste.ubuntu.com/470166/ be an acceptable debian/copyright? Of course assuming that it's true :) The vast majority of the code is copyright OpenStack LLC and/or NASA, the rest is copyright a bunch of other people. [11:08] I don't know where I should post this but the link (partners) http://www.ubuntu.com/partners/program in the wiki is broken [11:11] mvo: good, as several people reported bugs against kdesudo [11:12] Damascene: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+filebug [11:12] DktrKranz: great, one step a time :) [11:13] Report a bug about Ubuntu Website "Pro..."? [11:17] asac: do you have an opinion on bug 598874 ? [11:17] Launchpad bug 598874 in libmpcdec (Ubuntu) "Please sync libmpc 2:0.1~r459-1 (universe) from debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/598874 [11:18] bug 609553 [11:18] Launchpad bug 609553 in Ubuntu Website "bad partners link in the wiki" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/609553 [11:18] it was reported earlier [11:19] Riddell: i only pushed it to get it rebuilt ;) [11:19] so i dont have a qualified opinion ;) [11:20] Riddell: while you are at it ... could you please sync ntrack 008-1 from unstable ;)? [11:20] Riddell: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/ntrack/ntrack_008-1.dsc [11:25] asac: ok done [11:26] asac: how can I tell why libqtwebkit4 isn't installable on arm? [11:31] hmm, whats up with libtimedate-perl ? [11:33] Riddell: good question. ogra could try it locally and tell you whats going on (i dont have a board running) [11:33] i would assume that something failed to built ;) [11:33] (or is out of sync) [11:33] * ogra only has a chroot either, but that should do [11:33] The following packages have unmet dependencies: [11:33] libqtwebkit4: Depends: phonon but it is not going to be installed [11:33] E: Broken packages [11:34] Riddell, ^^^ [11:36] ogra: what happens if you try to install phonon? [11:36] Riddell, works [11:36] umm [11:36] apt-get install libqtwebkit4 phonon that is [11:37] ogra: libtimedate-perl has only just been synced [11:37] oh, k [11:38] ogra: so now you can install libqtwebkit-dev ? [11:38] apt-get install libqtwebkit-dev phonon seems to work [11:39] myeh, so why is kde4libs not building [11:39] http://launchpadlibrarian.net/52626705/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-armel.kde4libs_4%3A4.4.92-0ubuntu4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [11:39] ogra: could you try installing all the packages it's doing there? [11:40] did it fail again ? i just gave it back [11:40] ogra: finished 3 minutes ago [11:40] ah, k [11:40] that was quick [11:41] ogra: quick because it failed :( [11:42] apt-get build-dep kde4libs seems to have no probs [11:48] ogra: so it's a complete mystery [11:48] i dont see any webkit in the deps it installs though [11:52] ogra: then your apt sources haven't updated to the newest version? [11:52] this is the build-deps http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/Dvvm5fjC [11:52] i just did an apt-get update [11:53] in fact i had to add a deb-src entry [11:54] so i would definately expect the latest versions to be there [11:55] ogra: then apt-cache showsrc kde4libs should show 4:4.4.92-0ubuntu4 which build-deps on libqtwebkit-dev [11:56] Version: 4:4.4.92-0ubuntu4 [11:57] libqtwebkit is in there [11:58] i dont get why i would get the old deps [12:01] ogra: this may all be down to the libtimedate-perl issue [12:03] oh, that might be indeed [12:03] it just finished building [12:04] i'm watching it anyway for some image testbuilds, if it shows up on ports i'll give back kde4libs again [12:05] ogra: it's an arch all package, I just accepted the binary, we can start building stuff again after the next publisher run [12:08] Riddell, great, though ports seems to have a slight delay in mirroring === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away [12:20] ArneGoetje, what should I do now? [12:22] asac, can we talk about Bug #603022 [12:22] Launchpad bug 603022 in mlterm (Ubuntu) "[MIR] mlterm" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/603022 === yofel_ is now known as yofel [12:36] hi, what is the best way to quickly learn how to make custom livecd? [12:42] xelister: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization [12:44] hi, could someone trigger the build of https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/2.21.5-1ubuntu1 the missing dep libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev is available now === oubiwann-away is now known as oubiwann [12:46] Damascene: not sure ;) ... what you want to say? [12:55] mdz: we talked a while ago about the super slow update-manager progress bar with nvidia, is this still a issue for you? it appears that I can (finally!) reproduce the problem === pascal80 is now known as padv [12:56] Riddell: I need to choose what things are installed by default (throw out some applications, add nvidia and radeon drivers), and run some custom script on boot. Easy to do? [12:56] Riddell: also, the livecd should have propertiary drivers for both nv and radon and on boot detect and choose the needed one.. will that work? [12:56] also make bootup fast, just boot to live cd, not offer to install [12:57] xelister: that URL explains how to install and uninstall bits [12:57] Hi, I am trying to build a source package from lp:~ubuntu-desktop/rhythmbox/ubuntu on Lucid, but I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/470225/ Any suggestions? [12:59] allquixotic: Build-dependencies not installed? [12:59] ansgar: I have all the required build-depends. [13:02] bzr-buildpackage can't find the source tarball. So I guess the question is where are the sources for the git snapshot packages in the current Maverick development for ubuntu-desktop. [13:04] nevermind; answered my own question! I needed a deb-src line for maverick. [13:19] tjaalton: the guy who does the cool electric piano keyboards with kubuntu on is asking "I need also to know IF the new Xorg server 1.8 or 1.9 is included in 10.10" do you have a quick answer? [13:22] zyga:pong [13:27] zul, are you going to work on the server papercuts project? [13:28] ivanka, congratulations on walking 100km :-) [13:28] zyga: yes [13:29] zul, I'm interested in the tracepath/traceroute papercut [13:29] zyga: ok [13:29] zul, would you be interested in taking over and finishing the code required to implement it? [13:29] zyga: sure [13:30] zul, great, if you want I can help you with this and share the branch I have for this feature [13:30] zyga: yes please [13:30] zul, one second [13:32] zul, I'm copying my branch (a snapshot of it really) to people.c.com [13:33] zyga: thank you :-) [13:33] zul, http://people.canonical.com/~zyga/trunk.dbus.tar.gz [13:33] zul, get that tarball please [13:34] zul, hopefully your need can motivate me to finish this :D [13:34] ivanka, quite a feat really, how did you train to do that? [13:37] zul, this code is really different from what c-n-f was before but it has support for a quirk like this [13:37] zul, what it _doesnt_ have is the user interface [13:37] zul, if you think that finishing this is within the scope of your project I'll gladly walk you through the coded [13:38] zyga: actually its probably not a papercut if its modiyinfg code for command-not-found you might want to talk to mvo about it though [13:38] zul, ok [13:39] zul, _or_ [13:39] zul, you could get the trunk from ubuntu and just add a one-liner that knows this particular problem [13:39] zyga: i could do that :) [13:40] zul, the code is in lp:ubuntu/command-not-found AFAIR [13:40] zyga: gotcha [13:40] could someone have a look at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/debian/+source/pygi/+bug/604121 [13:40] Launchpad bug 604121 in pygi (Ubuntu) "Please remove pygi package from maverick archive" [Wishlist,Confirmed] [13:40] ? [13:45] vish, your debdiff is OK. If you have upload rights on system-config-printer (in main), upload it (but take into account that I uploaded it yesterday, apply your change to the newest version). [13:46] tkamppeter: i dont have upload rights :s , could you upload it? [13:47] vish, no problem, and thanks for the fix. [13:47] tkamppeter: np , thanks :) [13:52] vish, uploaded. [13:53] neat! thanks. [13:59] were I can find Rick Spencer? [14:00] davmor2: He's at GUADEC, dunno if he is connecting to IRC.. [14:00] err Damascene [14:01] what? [14:01] are you Rick? [14:03] Damascene: this message was for you -> He's at GUADEC, dunno if he is connecting to IRC.. [14:03] ok thanks [14:04] Damascene: No. He usually hangs around in this channel, but this week he is at a conference (with rather bad internet connection) so I don't know if he'll be connecting. I guess you can just send him a mail. [14:04] I think he found a good connection today. I'm really upset with him comment on my MIR [14:05] if there is a program with bug it should be fixed or replaced. we just asked for alternative and it become "won't fix" [14:05] bug 603022 [14:05] Launchpad bug 603022 in mlterm (Ubuntu) "[MIR] mlterm" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/603022 === Riddell changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper-lucid | #ubuntu-app-devel for application development on Ubuntu | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | builds broken until libtimedate-perl reappears [14:10] Damascene: Well, a bug isn't really the place to discuss such a thing. [14:12] hi rickspencer3 [14:13] hi Damascene === sconklin-gone is now known as sconklin [14:13] I've updated bug 603022 with some information if you don't mind [14:13] Launchpad bug 603022 in mlterm (Ubuntu) "[MIR] mlterm" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/603022 [14:13] I hope you change your mind [14:14] Damascene, I'm still confused [14:14] why can't users just install their terminal of choice? [14:14] I'm not sure what problem is attempted to be solved [14:16] rickspencer3, the same could be said about translations and fonts, what is language selector for? === bjf[afk] is now known as bjf [14:17] any one could just install those things by him self [14:17] Damascene, but you're talking about a terminal [14:17] right? [14:17] yeah, do you question the important of terminal? [14:17] no [14:18] so what is it? [14:18] rsalveti: ok - thx for the heads up, though I can't do merges myself at the moment. I suspect kirkland will see it. [14:18] halfline: what am I looking at? [14:18] Damascene, I question the value of shipping and supporting 2 terminals to solve the case [14:19] we can't use ls, apt-get cat and many other terminal programs probably with vte [14:19] it's not that you are going to install it for every users [14:19] the solution sounds rather complicated and hard to maintain when there is a work around as easy as installing a different terminal [14:19] only the users who chose to localize their systems [14:19] right [14:20] I think if we were to invest in this it would make much more sense to make Gnome Terminal work [14:20] hallyn: what am I looking at? [14:20] rickspencer3, I'm getting the idea that you have not read the original bug carefully [14:21] * hallyn scrolls up [14:21] Damascene, perhaps [14:21] 02:29 < rsalveti> hallyn: just sent a request to merge for bug 610742 [14:21] Launchpad bug 610742 in qemu-kvm (Ubuntu) "qemu shows "qemu: Unsupported syscall: 335" for pselect in Maverick" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/610742 [14:21] rickspencer3, all this have been discussed earlier [14:21] kirkland: ^ [14:22] rickspencer3, one of the main things was that vte is not going to be fixed any time soon while Mlterm is ready and it can just be a choice in Language Selector [14:22] just a choice [14:22] that doesn't change my feedback [14:23] ok, thanks for helping [14:23] I'm not trying to be argumentative here, I'm just not convinced we've arrived at a good solution yet [14:23] rickspencer3: last thing I heard was that upstream is not interested in fixing vte for RTL language users, since it would be "too difficult to do so". So, who do you think can fix vte and in which time frame? [14:24] ArneGoetje I don't know [14:24] rickspencer3: well, mlterm is the _only_ terminal out there which supports RTL languages properly. [14:24] so users who need it can install it [14:25] my point is that the work around is not too hard, but the solution that has been proposed to avoid the work around seems overly complex and requires supporting another VT [14:25] rickspencer3: then that should be communicated better [14:25] I'm communicating right now [14:25] rickspencer3: I mean to the RTL language users [14:26] what specifically was not communicated? [14:26] never mind, it's a moot point [14:26] rickspencer3: That mlterm is what they want as a terminal solution and how to get it [14:27] so many many people choose alternate software, that's why we have Universe and that's why we have software-center [14:29] rickspencer3, but you don't ship broken software and tell a user to search for a solution him self in a bug report suggesting using mlterm. It will be kind of you if you suggest that early when a user seeks for language support [14:29] hallyn: ah, merging qemu ... personally, i'd say just wait for 0.13; but if you're feeling motivated, you can do the new dot release === Riddell changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper-lucid | #ubuntu-app-devel for application development on Ubuntu | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs [14:31] topicdiff, builds no longer broken now that libtimedate-perl is in again [14:32] still not promoted to ports yet :/ [14:32] Riddell: thanks for those removals yesterday [14:33] geser: mm well I removed a few packages which ought not to have been :( [14:34] Hmm, I wonder [14:34] mmmm I've added the ubuntu-mozilla-daily ppa but it seems that some info of the Release file are not take into account by apt [14:34] Would it be possible to request for my Ubuntu developer privileges to be suspended until Canonical's font is publicly released? [14:34] 500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa/ubuntu/ lucid/main Packages origin ppa.launchpad.net [14:36] rickspencer3, sorry for heating things like that but I thought I should provide as much support as I can for my language and making ubuntu better [14:39] snap [14:39] I hope he didn't go away mad [14:40] Alternatively I guess I could just publicly upload the font, presumably at the cost of my Ubuntu membership but meh [14:43] kirkland: that particular bug appears to be a papercut, so i'd say let's wait [14:51] lool: the patch basically kills the warning [14:51] was the upstream decision [14:52] hallyn: kirkland: will qemu be updated before A3? [14:52] that's why I created the bug [14:53] rsalveti: The initial patch implemented the syscall using libc; I think it's not acceptable [14:53] because I'm using qemu with rootstock, and without this patch my logs are huge, and I have to filter it to not show to the user [14:53] rsalveti: I wonder why we didn't send a patch to use sys_pselect instead [14:53] lool: probably because no one worked on this [14:54] rsalveti: I would recommend you don't merge a patch implementing the syscall if it's against upstream recommendation [14:54] it should be an easy fix, but someone have to do it :-) [14:54] rsalveti: did you plan to add a different patch which just skips the warning for this syscall? [14:54] lool: but this is my patch [14:54] rsalveti: If you don't have the time yourself, you could ask Michael, he wrote the original one [14:54] slangasek: I'd welcome a comment of yours on bug 570944 -- if you agree with it, I'll make it happen. [14:54] Launchpad bug 570944 in samba (Ubuntu) "passwd : gives "Authentication token manipulation error"" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/570944 [14:54] just skipping the warning [14:54] rsalveti: Oh ok [14:54] rsalveti: I didn't see that one [14:55] rsalveti: but we're on the same page [14:55] that's why this patch is simple and can be merged [14:55] rsalveti: Right [14:55] lool: the original patch from michael was dropped [14:55] they just got the one that adds the define [14:56] and later one they pushed another patch just to remove the message [14:56] *later on [14:57] Hmm... PPAs "start in..." estimates look a lot like XP filecopy progress bar ones. [14:57] lool: the patch that implements pselect was dropped from our package when was updated for 12.3 [14:58] rsalveti: I'd love if you could review which patches were dropped [14:58] rsalveti: I dont think it was a good change to remove all patches in there, without any warning (at least I didn't get one) [14:58] lool: well, this is the first I noticed, but I can review the others [14:59] because when I started apt-get I got a huge huge log [14:59]