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karim__how do themes get that small icon of the program in the window border12:12
dholbachkarim__: try #ubuntu-desktop - this channel is just for meetings12:16
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karim__hey is the meeting in silence12:31
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dholbachkarim__: there's no meeting right now, at all other times it is silence in here, yes12:37
dholbachkarim__: check the topic12:38
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* mvo looks around16:01
* psurbhi1 waves16:02
dokohi16:02
barryhi16:03
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barryare we meeting today?16:04
mvohi16:05
robbiewwho's chairing16:06
robbiewhmm.../me looks at last agenda16:06
robbiewI suspect it was ev16:06
robbiewhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2010/0623#Chair for next meeting16:07
robbiewhey ev ;)16:08
robbiewperfect timing16:08
evdamn IRC bouncers16:08
evright, I'm running this thing, aren't I?16:08
dokowell, "running" would imply some speed ...16:09
evlol16:09
evright16:09
ev#startmeeting16:09
MootBotMeeting started at 10:09. The chair is ev.16:09
MootBotCommands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]16:09
ev[TOPIC] Lightning round16:09
MootBotNew Topic:  Lightning round16:09
evorder: Keybuk, mvo, csurbhi, barry, ev, doko, cjwatson16:09
evgiven that Scott's bouncer is on the same box, I'm assuming he's offline for the same reason16:10
evmvo: you're up16:10
mvosprint: s-c whats-new/buy-something, mago/ldtp into with ara, metadata in PPAs, design team feedback on specs/usertesting/s-c, unity&oneconf integration in sc, ubuntuone collaboration (login)16:10
mvo(done)16:10
psurbhi* worked on #601877 and 601874. The fix to both of them is the same really. Have uploaded a ppa and shall ask the user to see if the fix works for them. I cannot reproduce the bug, so cannot test it.16:10
psurbhi* looked around for bugs in e2fsprogs.16:10
psurbhi* configuring qemu environment for testing.16:10
psurbhi* need to test mdadm and send a request for upload.16:10
psurbhidone16:10
* mvo is happy that he actually took notes this time during the sprint :)16:10
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evbarry: ping16:11
barrycatching up on email threads; babysitting py27 ppas; reviewing/discussing/fixing ftbfs on debian-python; pep 3149 (versioned .so) shepherding; upgraded main box to maverick (only failure: known libvirt security breakage).  done.16:12
evFixing bugs in the installer design, trying to get a working version of greyable bin, working on a take a photo page, and trying to package sphinxsearch's python api.  Verifying a ubuntu netbook USB disk for the shop.  Just had a call with Andrew S. on the installing non-free software during install stuff.  Moving forward there, I let him know that I'll be on vacation so the deadline is well before FF.16:12
evGeneral "oh my god, feature freeze in a few days, panic" stuff16:13
ev(done)16:13
dokoanother set of openjdk-6 security updates, lucid sru's for eglibc. gcj-4.4, some linaro work, and openjdk & eglibc bug triage16:13
dokodone16:13
robbiewcjwatson is on holiday16:14
evoh, well then16:15
evno actions from last meeting16:15
ev[TOPIC] alpha 316:15
MootBotNew Topic:  alpha 316:15
evhttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+bugs?field.milestone:list=2756116:15
evI see a few that are ours16:16
evanyone need help getting things ready for alpha 3 or have time to help with alpha 3 tasks?16:16
robbiew...and are we up-to-date on our work item status?16:17
evsomewhat ;)16:18
barrymostly16:18
evI need to update mine to reflect last week16:18
robbiewsays the two with the most items ;)16:18
ev*ducks*16:18
ev[TOPIC] sponsorship queue!16:18
MootBotNew Topic:  sponsorship queue!16:18
barry*runs*16:18
evhttp://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/16:19
MootBotLINK received:  http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/16:19
ev^ you know the drill16:19
ev[TOPIC] Business from activity reports16:19
MootBotNew Topic:  Business from activity reports16:19
evanyone have anything they'd like to raise?16:19
barrydoko: we need to talk about the timeline for py27 decision.  we can take that offline after meeting16:21
evright16:21
ev[TOPIC] Any other business?16:21
MootBotNew Topic:  Any other business?16:21
evI'm assuming not, given the above16:21
dokobarry: sure, but we have to wait for alpha3 anyway16:22
robbiewI think HR expects objectives in by this Friday....but I don't ;)16:22
evlol16:22
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ScottKbarry: I'd like to be involved in that discussion.16:22
barrydoko: right.  i'm just worried about vacations getting in the way ;)16:22
ev[TOPIC] good news?16:22
MootBotNew Topic:  good news?16:22
robbiewI'll write up some guidelines and get those out by next week...I think by end of August is more reasonable ;)16:22
barryScottK, doko: +1.  after this meeting?16:23
ScottKSure.16:23
barryrobbiew: +116:23
ScottKGood news is the linaro toolchain stuff landing means qt4-x11 built on armel.  Thanks.16:23
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robbiewScottK: you have no idea the drama that the linaro toolchain caused last week...lol16:24
dokoScottK: bad news is that kde4libs now fails =)16:24
ScottKdoko: Riddell has a fix.16:24
ScottKWe just need to get some installability stuff worked out now.16:24
ScottKProgress.16:24
ev[TOPIC] next chair16:25
MootBotNew Topic:  next chair16:25
evwho?16:25
barryshuffle says keybuk :)16:26
evsold16:26
ev#endmeeting16:26
MootBotMeeting finished at 10:26.16:26
evthanks!16:26
mvothanks16:26
mvoshort and sweet16:26
barrythanks!  doko, ScottK here or new channel?16:26
* ScottK is flexible.16:26
barryhere is fine with me16:27
barryso, i've been working my way through jwilk's follow up on debian-python.  i think the only thing painful about 2.7 so far is numpy, but we're beholden to debian on that one i think16:28
ScottKSo it's going to be magically easy?16:28
barryso while we have a few failures, i don't think there's anything yet identified to stop us from enabling 2.716:28
barryScottK: not magically.  jwilk identified two packages that need fixing, but that should be fairly easy16:29
ScottKOK.16:29
barryi have three ftbfs to investigate, but unlikely py27 failures16:29
barrynumpy is the biggest concern, but i think we should not let that stop us16:29
ScottKMy biggest concern is that there isn't a lot of community support available to fix Universe stuff.16:29
ScottKIf you are going to do this, it has to be with an eye towards the whole enchilada.16:30
barryScottK: this is true, however the question is whether it's better to try to fix those *before* we enable (remember: not default) py27, or whether we enable it for mav with the understanding that there may be failures in uni we don't know about16:31
barryScottK, doko you guys lived through the 2.6 transition, and have a better feel for the problems.  what do you think?16:31
ScottKYou rebuilt everything in py27, right?16:31
dokothe whole enchilada would be the robust python packaging included16:31
barryScottK: everything that was build-dep on python-all python-all-dev16:31
barryin main tho16:31
ScottKYou didn't rebuild Universe?16:32
barrydoko: that's py3.2, which isn't ready upstream yet16:32
dokobarry: as long as you don't change the default, you can always fall back not building for 2.716:32
barryScottK: no, but that's next16:32
ScottKbarry: I think Universe should be rebuilt before a final decision is taken.16:33
barryScottK: cool, i'll start scripting that today16:33
dokoScottK: I disagree, we even didn't rebuild main just for adding 2.716:33
ScottKdoko: barry did rebuild Main.16:34
barrywell, you mean build-deps, right?16:34
dokobuild-deps on python-all*16:34
ScottKRight.  Not all of it, just the Python using bits.16:34
barrydoko: yep16:34
ScottKYes.16:34
ScottKThat's all I'm talking about is Universe packages that build-dep on python-all*16:35
dokobarry: I thought you did do this for universe already?16:35
barrydoko: main16:35
barryi will set up a ppa for uni today16:36
barrydoko, ScottK main thing for me is agreeing on a timeline for making the decision, given alpha3, feature freeze and vacations coming up16:37
ScottKI think the gating function on the timeline is the Universe rebuild.16:37
ScottKOther than that, the sooner the better.16:37
barryalpha3 is 5-aug.  ff is 12-aug.  beta is 2-sep.  do we need to do this before ff or before beta?16:40
ScottKBefore FF.16:41
ScottKWe should start 6-aug.  5 if we can.16:42
ScottK(where "do" means add it as a supported version and start work on rebuilds)16:42
ScottKdoko: It would probably be good to provide the same thing in Debian Experimental.  We might get some benefit from testing there.16:43
barryScottK: +116:45
barryScottK, doko: pvt email sent16:46
barryokay, i have what i think i need.  thanks guys16:46
dokoI'm away now16:46
barrynp.  ttyl16:47
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renglajiIs there supposed to be an Edubuntu meeting in here now?18:08
renglajiNo Edubuntu meeting?18:32
pleia2renglaji: looks like that's not for another couple of hours18:46
pleia2@now18:46
ubottuCurrent time in Etc/UTC: July 28 2010, 17:46:2618:46
renglajiYou're right, sorry had my time conversion off. Thanks18:48
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renglajiWill there be an Edubuntu meeting here?20:06
nhandlerrenglaji: It is listed on the Fridge, but the agenda (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Meetings/Agenda) doesn't appear to have been updated, so I'm not sure20:07
renglajiI saw that as well. Thanks for the info.20:08
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