=== oubiwann is now known as oubiwann-away === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha === zyga-afk is now known as zyga === Claudinux is now known as Klaudinux === Klaudinux is now known as Claudinux === shpongle is now known as serfus === serfus is now known as shpongle [12:12] how do themes get that small icon of the program in the window border [12:16] karim__: try #ubuntu-desktop - this channel is just for meetings === JamieBen1ett is now known as JamieBennett [12:31] hey is the meeting in silence === yofel_ is now known as yofel [12:37] karim__: there's no meeting right now, at all other times it is silence in here, yes [12:38] karim__: check the topic === oubiwann-away is now known as oubiwann === bjf[afk] is now known as bjf === sound-10001 is now known as sound-1000 [16:01] * mvo looks around [16:02] * psurbhi1 waves [16:02] hi [16:03] hi === psurbhi1 is now known as psurbhi [16:04] are we meeting today? [16:05] hi [16:06] who's chairing [16:06] hmm.../me looks at last agenda [16:06] I suspect it was ev [16:07] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2010/0623#Chair for next meeting [16:08] hey ev ;) [16:08] perfect timing [16:08] damn IRC bouncers [16:08] right, I'm running this thing, aren't I? [16:09] well, "running" would imply some speed ... [16:09] lol [16:09] right [16:09] #startmeeting [16:09] Meeting started at 10:09. The chair is ev. [16:09] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [16:09] [TOPIC] Lightning round [16:09] New Topic: Lightning round [16:09] order: Keybuk, mvo, csurbhi, barry, ev, doko, cjwatson [16:10] given that Scott's bouncer is on the same box, I'm assuming he's offline for the same reason [16:10] mvo: you're up [16:10] sprint: s-c whats-new/buy-something, mago/ldtp into with ara, metadata in PPAs, design team feedback on specs/usertesting/s-c, unity&oneconf integration in sc, ubuntuone collaboration (login) [16:10] (done) [16:10] * worked on #601877 and 601874. The fix to both of them is the same really. Have uploaded a ppa and shall ask the user to see if the fix works for them. I cannot reproduce the bug, so cannot test it. [16:10] * looked around for bugs in e2fsprogs. [16:10] * configuring qemu environment for testing. [16:10] * need to test mdadm and send a request for upload. [16:10] done [16:10] * mvo is happy that he actually took notes this time during the sprint :) === asac_ is now known as asac [16:11] barry: ping [16:12] catching up on email threads; babysitting py27 ppas; reviewing/discussing/fixing ftbfs on debian-python; pep 3149 (versioned .so) shepherding; upgraded main box to maverick (only failure: known libvirt security breakage). done. [16:12] Fixing bugs in the installer design, trying to get a working version of greyable bin, working on a take a photo page, and trying to package sphinxsearch's python api. Verifying a ubuntu netbook USB disk for the shop. Just had a call with Andrew S. on the installing non-free software during install stuff. Moving forward there, I let him know that I'll be on vacation so the deadline is well before FF. [16:13] General "oh my god, feature freeze in a few days, panic" stuff [16:13] (done) [16:13] another set of openjdk-6 security updates, lucid sru's for eglibc. gcj-4.4, some linaro work, and openjdk & eglibc bug triage [16:13] done [16:14] cjwatson is on holiday [16:15] oh, well then [16:15] no actions from last meeting [16:15] [TOPIC] alpha 3 [16:15] New Topic: alpha 3 [16:15] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+bugs?field.milestone:list=27561 [16:16] I see a few that are ours [16:16] anyone need help getting things ready for alpha 3 or have time to help with alpha 3 tasks? [16:17] ...and are we up-to-date on our work item status? [16:18] somewhat ;) [16:18] mostly [16:18] I need to update mine to reflect last week [16:18] says the two with the most items ;) [16:18] *ducks* [16:18] [TOPIC] sponsorship queue! [16:18] New Topic: sponsorship queue! [16:18] *runs* [16:19] http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/ [16:19] LINK received: http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/ [16:19] ^ you know the drill [16:19] [TOPIC] Business from activity reports [16:19] New Topic: Business from activity reports [16:19] anyone have anything they'd like to raise? [16:21] doko: we need to talk about the timeline for py27 decision. we can take that offline after meeting [16:21] right [16:21] [TOPIC] Any other business? [16:21] New Topic: Any other business? [16:21] I'm assuming not, given the above [16:22] barry: sure, but we have to wait for alpha3 anyway [16:22] I think HR expects objectives in by this Friday....but I don't ;) [16:22] lol === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk [16:22] barry: I'd like to be involved in that discussion. [16:22] doko: right. i'm just worried about vacations getting in the way ;) [16:22] [TOPIC] good news? [16:22] New Topic: good news? [16:22] I'll write up some guidelines and get those out by next week...I think by end of August is more reasonable ;) [16:23] ScottK, doko: +1. after this meeting? [16:23] Sure. [16:23] robbiew: +1 [16:23] Good news is the linaro toolchain stuff landing means qt4-x11 built on armel. Thanks. === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [16:24] ScottK: you have no idea the drama that the linaro toolchain caused last week...lol [16:24] ScottK: bad news is that kde4libs now fails =) [16:24] doko: Riddell has a fix. [16:24] We just need to get some installability stuff worked out now. [16:24] Progress. [16:25] [TOPIC] next chair [16:25] New Topic: next chair [16:25] who? [16:26] shuffle says keybuk :) [16:26] sold [16:26] #endmeeting [16:26] Meeting finished at 10:26. [16:26] thanks! [16:26] thanks [16:26] short and sweet [16:26] thanks! doko, ScottK here or new channel? [16:26] * ScottK is flexible. [16:27] here is fine with me [16:28] so, i've been working my way through jwilk's follow up on debian-python. i think the only thing painful about 2.7 so far is numpy, but we're beholden to debian on that one i think [16:28] So it's going to be magically easy? [16:28] so while we have a few failures, i don't think there's anything yet identified to stop us from enabling 2.7 [16:29] ScottK: not magically. jwilk identified two packages that need fixing, but that should be fairly easy [16:29] OK. [16:29] i have three ftbfs to investigate, but unlikely py27 failures [16:29] numpy is the biggest concern, but i think we should not let that stop us [16:29] My biggest concern is that there isn't a lot of community support available to fix Universe stuff. [16:30] If you are going to do this, it has to be with an eye towards the whole enchilada. [16:31] ScottK: this is true, however the question is whether it's better to try to fix those *before* we enable (remember: not default) py27, or whether we enable it for mav with the understanding that there may be failures in uni we don't know about [16:31] ScottK, doko you guys lived through the 2.6 transition, and have a better feel for the problems. what do you think? [16:31] You rebuilt everything in py27, right? [16:31] the whole enchilada would be the robust python packaging included [16:31] ScottK: everything that was build-dep on python-all python-all-dev [16:31] in main tho [16:32] You didn't rebuild Universe? [16:32] doko: that's py3.2, which isn't ready upstream yet [16:32] barry: as long as you don't change the default, you can always fall back not building for 2.7 [16:32] ScottK: no, but that's next [16:33] barry: I think Universe should be rebuilt before a final decision is taken. [16:33] ScottK: cool, i'll start scripting that today [16:33] ScottK: I disagree, we even didn't rebuild main just for adding 2.7 [16:34] doko: barry did rebuild Main. [16:34] well, you mean build-deps, right? [16:34] build-deps on python-all* [16:34] Right. Not all of it, just the Python using bits. [16:34] doko: yep [16:34] Yes. [16:35] That's all I'm talking about is Universe packages that build-dep on python-all* [16:35] barry: I thought you did do this for universe already? [16:35] doko: main [16:36] i will set up a ppa for uni today [16:37] doko, ScottK main thing for me is agreeing on a timeline for making the decision, given alpha3, feature freeze and vacations coming up [16:37] I think the gating function on the timeline is the Universe rebuild. [16:37] Other than that, the sooner the better. [16:40] alpha3 is 5-aug. ff is 12-aug. beta is 2-sep. do we need to do this before ff or before beta? [16:41] Before FF. [16:42] We should start 6-aug. 5 if we can. [16:42] (where "do" means add it as a supported version and start work on rebuilds) [16:43] doko: It would probably be good to provide the same thing in Debian Experimental. We might get some benefit from testing there. [16:45] ScottK: +1 [16:46] ScottK, doko: pvt email sent [16:46] okay, i have what i think i need. thanks guys [16:46] I'm away now [16:47] np. ttyl === oubiwann is now known as oubiwann-away === zyga is now known as zyga-afk === oubiwann-away is now known as oubiwann === unimix_ is now known as unimix|work [18:08] Is there supposed to be an Edubuntu meeting in here now? [18:32] No Edubuntu meeting? [18:46] renglaji: looks like that's not for another couple of hours [18:46] @now [18:46] Current time in Etc/UTC: July 28 2010, 17:46:26 [18:48] You're right, sorry had my time conversion off. Thanks === bjf is now known as bjf[food] [20:06] Will there be an Edubuntu meeting here? [20:07] renglaji: It is listed on the Fridge, but the agenda (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Meetings/Agenda) doesn't appear to have been updated, so I'm not sure [20:08] I saw that as well. Thanks for the info. === bjf[food] is now known as bjf === bjf is now known as bjf[afk] === Andre_Gondim is now known as Andre_Gondim-afk