[12:12] <karim__> how do themes get that small icon of the program in the window border
[12:16] <dholbach> karim__: try #ubuntu-desktop - this channel is just for meetings
[12:31] <karim__> hey is the meeting in silence
[12:37] <dholbach> karim__: there's no meeting right now, at all other times it is silence in here, yes
[12:38] <dholbach> karim__: check the topic
[16:01]  * mvo looks around
[16:02]  * psurbhi1 waves
[16:02] <doko> hi
[16:03] <barry> hi
[16:04] <barry> are we meeting today?
[16:05] <mvo> hi
[16:06] <robbiew> who's chairing
[16:06] <robbiew> hmm.../me looks at last agenda
[16:06] <robbiew> I suspect it was ev
[16:07] <robbiew> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2010/0623#Chair for next meeting
[16:08] <robbiew> hey ev ;)
[16:08] <robbiew> perfect timing
[16:08] <ev> damn IRC bouncers
[16:08] <ev> right, I'm running this thing, aren't I?
[16:09] <doko> well, "running" would imply some speed ...
[16:09] <ev> lol
[16:09] <ev> right
[16:09] <ev> #startmeeting
[16:09] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:09. The chair is ev.
[16:09] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:09] <ev> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[16:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  Lightning round
[16:09] <ev> order: Keybuk, mvo, csurbhi, barry, ev, doko, cjwatson
[16:10] <ev> given that Scott's bouncer is on the same box, I'm assuming he's offline for the same reason
[16:10] <ev> mvo: you're up
[16:10] <mvo> sprint: s-c whats-new/buy-something, mago/ldtp into with ara, metadata in PPAs, design team feedback on specs/usertesting/s-c, unity&oneconf integration in sc, ubuntuone collaboration (login)
[16:10] <mvo> (done)
[16:10] <psurbhi> * worked on #601877 and 601874. The fix to both of them is the same really. Have uploaded a ppa and shall ask the user to see if the fix works for them. I cannot reproduce the bug, so cannot test it.
[16:10] <psurbhi> * looked around for bugs in e2fsprogs.
[16:10] <psurbhi> * configuring qemu environment for testing.
[16:10] <psurbhi> * need to test mdadm and send a request for upload.
[16:10] <psurbhi> done
[16:10]  * mvo is happy that he actually took notes this time during the sprint :)
[16:11] <ev> barry: ping
[16:12] <barry> catching up on email threads; babysitting py27 ppas; reviewing/discussing/fixing ftbfs on debian-python; pep 3149 (versioned .so) shepherding; upgraded main box to maverick (only failure: known libvirt security breakage).  done.
[16:12] <ev> Fixing bugs in the installer design, trying to get a working version of greyable bin, working on a take a photo page, and trying to package sphinxsearch's python api.  Verifying a ubuntu netbook USB disk for the shop.  Just had a call with Andrew S. on the installing non-free software during install stuff.  Moving forward there, I let him know that I'll be on vacation so the deadline is well before FF.
[16:13] <ev> General "oh my god, feature freeze in a few days, panic" stuff
[16:13] <ev> (done)
[16:13] <doko> another set of openjdk-6 security updates, lucid sru's for eglibc. gcj-4.4, some linaro work, and openjdk & eglibc bug triage
[16:13] <doko> done
[16:14] <robbiew> cjwatson is on holiday
[16:15] <ev> oh, well then
[16:15] <ev> no actions from last meeting
[16:15] <ev> [TOPIC] alpha 3
[16:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  alpha 3
[16:15] <ev> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+bugs?field.milestone:list=27561
[16:16] <ev> I see a few that are ours
[16:16] <ev> anyone need help getting things ready for alpha 3 or have time to help with alpha 3 tasks?
[16:17] <robbiew> ...and are we up-to-date on our work item status?
[16:18] <ev> somewhat ;)
[16:18] <barry> mostly
[16:18] <ev> I need to update mine to reflect last week
[16:18] <robbiew> says the two with the most items ;)
[16:18] <ev> *ducks*
[16:18] <ev> [TOPIC] sponsorship queue!
[16:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  sponsorship queue!
[16:18] <barry> *runs*
[16:19] <ev> http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/
[16:19] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/
[16:19] <ev> ^ you know the drill
[16:19] <ev> [TOPIC] Business from activity reports
[16:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  Business from activity reports
[16:19] <ev> anyone have anything they'd like to raise?
[16:21] <barry> doko: we need to talk about the timeline for py27 decision.  we can take that offline after meeting
[16:21] <ev> right
[16:21] <ev> [TOPIC] Any other business?
[16:21] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any other business?
[16:21] <ev> I'm assuming not, given the above
[16:22] <doko> barry: sure, but we have to wait for alpha3 anyway
[16:22] <robbiew> I think HR expects objectives in by this Friday....but I don't ;)
[16:22] <ev> lol
[16:22] <ScottK> barry: I'd like to be involved in that discussion.
[16:22] <barry> doko: right.  i'm just worried about vacations getting in the way ;)
[16:22] <ev> [TOPIC] good news?
[16:22] <MootBot> New Topic:  good news?
[16:22] <robbiew> I'll write up some guidelines and get those out by next week...I think by end of August is more reasonable ;)
[16:23] <barry> ScottK, doko: +1.  after this meeting?
[16:23] <ScottK> Sure.
[16:23] <barry> robbiew: +1
[16:23] <ScottK> Good news is the linaro toolchain stuff landing means qt4-x11 built on armel.  Thanks.
[16:24] <robbiew> ScottK: you have no idea the drama that the linaro toolchain caused last week...lol
[16:24] <doko> ScottK: bad news is that kde4libs now fails =)
[16:24] <ScottK> doko: Riddell has a fix.
[16:24] <ScottK> We just need to get some installability stuff worked out now.
[16:24] <ScottK> Progress.
[16:25] <ev> [TOPIC] next chair
[16:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  next chair
[16:25] <ev> who?
[16:26] <barry> shuffle says keybuk :)
[16:26] <ev> sold
[16:26] <ev> #endmeeting
[16:26] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:26.
[16:26] <ev> thanks!
[16:26] <mvo> thanks
[16:26] <mvo> short and sweet
[16:26] <barry> thanks!  doko, ScottK here or new channel?
[16:26]  * ScottK is flexible.
[16:27] <barry> here is fine with me
[16:28] <barry> so, i've been working my way through jwilk's follow up on debian-python.  i think the only thing painful about 2.7 so far is numpy, but we're beholden to debian on that one i think
[16:28] <ScottK> So it's going to be magically easy?
[16:28] <barry> so while we have a few failures, i don't think there's anything yet identified to stop us from enabling 2.7
[16:29] <barry> ScottK: not magically.  jwilk identified two packages that need fixing, but that should be fairly easy
[16:29] <ScottK> OK.
[16:29] <barry> i have three ftbfs to investigate, but unlikely py27 failures
[16:29] <barry> numpy is the biggest concern, but i think we should not let that stop us
[16:29] <ScottK> My biggest concern is that there isn't a lot of community support available to fix Universe stuff.
[16:30] <ScottK> If you are going to do this, it has to be with an eye towards the whole enchilada.
[16:31] <barry> ScottK: this is true, however the question is whether it's better to try to fix those *before* we enable (remember: not default) py27, or whether we enable it for mav with the understanding that there may be failures in uni we don't know about
[16:31] <barry> ScottK, doko you guys lived through the 2.6 transition, and have a better feel for the problems.  what do you think?
[16:31] <ScottK> You rebuilt everything in py27, right?
[16:31] <doko> the whole enchilada would be the robust python packaging included
[16:31] <barry> ScottK: everything that was build-dep on python-all python-all-dev
[16:31] <barry> in main tho
[16:32] <ScottK> You didn't rebuild Universe?
[16:32] <barry> doko: that's py3.2, which isn't ready upstream yet
[16:32] <doko> barry: as long as you don't change the default, you can always fall back not building for 2.7
[16:32] <barry> ScottK: no, but that's next
[16:33] <ScottK> barry: I think Universe should be rebuilt before a final decision is taken.
[16:33] <barry> ScottK: cool, i'll start scripting that today
[16:33] <doko> ScottK: I disagree, we even didn't rebuild main just for adding 2.7
[16:34] <ScottK> doko: barry did rebuild Main.
[16:34] <barry> well, you mean build-deps, right?
[16:34] <doko> build-deps on python-all*
[16:34] <ScottK> Right.  Not all of it, just the Python using bits.
[16:34] <barry> doko: yep
[16:34] <ScottK> Yes.
[16:35] <ScottK> That's all I'm talking about is Universe packages that build-dep on python-all*
[16:35] <doko> barry: I thought you did do this for universe already?
[16:35] <barry> doko: main
[16:36] <barry> i will set up a ppa for uni today
[16:37] <barry> doko, ScottK main thing for me is agreeing on a timeline for making the decision, given alpha3, feature freeze and vacations coming up
[16:37] <ScottK> I think the gating function on the timeline is the Universe rebuild.
[16:37] <ScottK> Other than that, the sooner the better.
[16:40] <barry> alpha3 is 5-aug.  ff is 12-aug.  beta is 2-sep.  do we need to do this before ff or before beta?
[16:41] <ScottK> Before FF.
[16:42] <ScottK> We should start 6-aug.  5 if we can.
[16:42] <ScottK> (where "do" means add it as a supported version and start work on rebuilds)
[16:43] <ScottK> doko: It would probably be good to provide the same thing in Debian Experimental.  We might get some benefit from testing there.
[16:45] <barry> ScottK: +1
[16:46] <barry> ScottK, doko: pvt email sent
[16:46] <barry> okay, i have what i think i need.  thanks guys
[16:46] <doko> I'm away now
[16:47] <barry> np.  ttyl
[18:08] <renglaji> Is there supposed to be an Edubuntu meeting in here now?
[18:32] <renglaji> No Edubuntu meeting?
[18:46] <pleia2> renglaji: looks like that's not for another couple of hours
[18:46] <pleia2> @now
[18:48] <renglaji> You're right, sorry had my time conversion off. Thanks
[20:06] <renglaji> Will there be an Edubuntu meeting here?
[20:07] <nhandler> renglaji: It is listed on the Fridge, but the agenda (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Meetings/Agenda) doesn't appear to have been updated, so I'm not sure
[20:08] <renglaji> I saw that as well. Thanks for the info.