[01:27] <daker> anyone here ?
[01:28] <daker> i want to show you what i have done
[01:28] <daker> http://ubuntuone.com/p/Arn/
[20:58] <daker> newz2000, http://ubuntuone.com/p/Arn/
[20:58]  * newz2000 looks
[20:59] <newz2000> daker: what are you showing me here?
[20:59] <daker> ubuntu start page
[20:59] <newz2000> ah, I see the diff now
[20:59] <newz2000> that's clever, does it work just like you'd expect with a normal button?
[21:00] <daker> yes
[21:00] <newz2000> (or is this just a mockup?)
[21:00] <daker> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~adnane002/ubuntu-start-page/ubuntu-10.10
[21:00] <newz2000> daker: do you want me to help you get in touch with the person who maintains that?
[21:01] <daker> that would be great
[21:01] <stas_> newz2000: since you're online and I am too :)
[21:01] <stas_> maybe we should prepare a new countdown for the upcoming release in autumn?
[21:01] <newz2000> daker: the person you need is beuno, I'll tell him about what you'vve done
[21:02] <newz2000> stas_: nah, lets just use the old 10.04 one
[21:02] <daker> newz2000, cool thanks a lot
[21:02] <newz2000> ;-)
[21:03] <newz2000> stas_: yeah, I guess that's going to come a bit earlier this year
[21:03] <stas_> :)
[21:03] <newz2000> Instead fo using app-engine we should use a technology we can host internally that works the same way, django probably
[21:04] <stas_> too much headaches with local hosting :)
[21:04] <newz2000> I hear you, but the sysadmins would like to have control over it
[21:05] <newz2000> I wonder how hard it would be to prototype w/ app engine but host on one of our platforms
[21:05] <stas_> bzr push , bzr pull :)
[21:05] <newz2000> yeah
[21:05] <stas_> no need for complexity like gapps
[21:06] <newz2000> Well, I liked our little dynamic redirector we used so that we could have just an <img tag
[21:06] <newz2000> I think we should switch 100% to that
[21:06] <newz2000> no more js
[21:06] <newz2000> thoughts?
[21:06] <stas_> true
[21:07] <newz2000> I'll send an email to sysadmins right now to get us set up with something. We'll say it can be either php or python and see what they pick
[21:07]  * newz2000 knows what they'll pick
[21:08] <stas_> both are good for facebook, worked with both apis so doesn't really matter
[21:08] <stas_> except the app will have to be rewritten for php
[21:09] <newz2000> stas_: do you think the app will continue to work as is or will facebook's changes require a big change?
[21:10] <stas_> newz2000: so far that feature works, though I can't say how much they will support it
[21:10] <newz2000> Do you want to keep it as is or do you want to modernize it?
[21:10] <newz2000> I'm wondering if I should even mention the php option or just say python
[21:11] <stas_> i would like to make some refactoring in code, but i won't touch api stuff
[21:11] <newz2000> ok, I'll just say python then
[21:11] <stas_> ask them what are the benefits of moving from python if they say no
[21:11] <stas_> if they got good reasons, i'm ok
[21:12] <newz2000> ok. I'm quite certain they'll prefer python anyway.
[21:14] <newz2000> stas_: how cachable is this content? Does it need cookies or sessions or stuff like that?
[21:14] <newz2000> (facebook app that is)
[21:15] <stas_> nope, though i need some db storage
[21:15] <stas_> since user prefs needs to be stored
[21:20] <newz2000> ok, sent the request.
[21:20] <newz2000> I better get back to themeing wiki.ubuntu.com now
[21:24] <daker> newz2000, i got a idea
[21:24] <newz2000> let's hear it
[21:25] <daker> well , i dont know if we can implement a small news system on ubuntu start
[21:25] <daker> somewhere on the page
[21:25] <daker> so it can display a small news around ubuntu
[21:26] <newz2000> There's been talk about that, and the thought process at the time was this:
[21:26] <newz2000> this page is translated into many languages
[21:26] <newz2000> it's used very often by people who may not really know or care about Ubuntu
[21:26] <newz2000> (think about your browser page in windows talking about cool microsoft news)
[21:26] <newz2000> (though apple does it :-()
[21:27] <newz2000> and it needs to be very fast or people will change their default page
[21:27] <newz2000> (therefore it's 100% static content now, though this is an easy barrier to overcome)
[21:27] <newz2000> I think some dynamic content (maybe created statically each day) would be awesome
[21:27] <stas_> i don't use it, and surely ain't gonna use it if there will be news on it
[21:28] <newz2000> stuff from the shop or maybe links to some of the popular destinations like gmail
[21:28] <daker> yes
[21:28] <newz2000> we know fromthe search log that a lot of people go to gmail, hotmail, etc
[21:29] <newz2000> daker: here's basically how that project works
[21:29] <newz2000> beuno is in charge and does 50% or more of the work
[21:29] <newz2000> a couple people from the community help with translation related stuff
[21:29] <daker> where can i find him ?
[21:29] <newz2000> he's here on freenode or in launchpad
[21:29] <daker> in which channel ?
[21:30] <newz2000> daker type /whois beuno
[21:30] <newz2000> or send him a /msg
[21:30] <daker> oki
[21:30] <newz2000> you can also ask a question on the ubuntu-start-page project
[21:30] <newz2000> That might be a good place to propose more lengthy ideas
[21:30] <newz2000> here's a key piece of info...
[21:30] <daker> oki thanks
[21:30] <newz2000> start page is not his #1 priority
[21:31] <daker> newz2000, i know :D
[21:33] <daker> newz2000, i am waiting for a good theme for the wiki :D
[21:33] <newz2000> the wait is nearly over. ;-)