Riddellhas anyone noticed yet?00:01
macoRiddell: noticed what?00:02
macohave any of you figured out how to make firefox use the correct dpi?00:05
macoi set my dpi with xrandr and all of kde is behaving marvelously00:05
macobut seems like the firefox/kde integration could use some magic to make it behave too00:06
macoi just cant figure out *what* magic *pout*00:06
Riddellmaco: well you need to notice it first, it would spoil the surprise if I gave the game away00:13
macoRiddell: very nice! you got the password00:14
macoanyway, i think this is the bug im hitting https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk2-engines-qtcurve/+bug/42061000:14
ubottuLaunchpad bug 420610 in gtk2-engines-qtcurve (Ubuntu) "QtCurve does not use specified font settings (dup-of: 414711)" [Undecided,New]00:14
ubottuLaunchpad bug 414711 in kde-style-qtcurve (Ubuntu) "[Karmic] QtCurve uses huge fonts instead of KDE fonts" [Undecided,New]00:14
* Riddell wonders who will notice next00:18
macoso i think we can work around that bug i just pointed to through the magic of kubuntu default settings? maybe?00:25
danttiRiddell: hmmm very nice if it's what i'm thinking00:26
claydohRiddell: nice :)00:33
ScottKRiddell: I'm reasonably certain I've noticed.00:54
ScottKmaco: Assuming the comments in 414711 are correct, we should be able to.00:56
macothe graphical workaround worked for me00:59
macoonce i got to the comment about changing "general" not "menu" at least ;-)00:59
darkwingduckI tried /part02:01
JontheEchidnaooo, the new website is live02:58
JontheEchidnasomebody should blog, but I've already blogged 3 times in the past 24 hours02:59
jjesseok i'l do it03:03
jjessewho designed it?03:05
=== DarkwingDuck is now known as DWonderly
nigelbWOW. Riddell, its beautiful!03:11
Riddelljjesse: Ofir Klinger03:13
shtylmanwow... new kubuntu site03:17
shtylmanI never thought this day would come03:17
=== wgrant_ is now known as wgrnat
=== wgrnat is now known as wgrant
maco:-/ the beta ppa is all full of brokenness05:58
macoit wants to remove kdebase-plasma{a} kdepimlibs-data{a} libkfontinst4{a} libkonqsidebarplugin4{a} libkwineffects1{a} libplasma-applet-system-monitor4{a} libplasmaclock4{a}   libprocesscore4{a} libprocessui4{a} libsolidcontrol4{a} libtaskmanager4{a} libweather-ion4{a} 05:58
apacheloggerRiddell: the difference between ubuntu-sso and ubuntuone-auth is that ubuntu-sso does not hardcode ubuntuone08:54
apacheloggermaco: use a proper package manager :P09:02
CIA-98[ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100729080425-37c9sblq4iroj0k9 * (3 files in 2 dirs) get rid of com.ubuntuone.authentication dbus service09:04
apacheloggerlo Quintasan09:51
apacheloggerRiddell: splitting the ubuntuone KCM into multiple (with sidepane menu) has but oene disadvantage ... I would have to build my own dialog in the statusnotifer instead of just showing a kcm :/09:56
valoriewebsite looks great!10:03
apacheloggernew site10:21
apacheloggerwith stinky ktorrent icon ^^10:21
* apachelogger pokes sheytan to do something about this madness ^^10:21
apacheloggervalorie: was that announced somewhere?10:22
valorieno, I was just reading the logs, and figured that's what riddell was being cagey about10:22
sheytanapachelogger for me, changing the page now, wasn't good idea ( of course from artwork site, don't know about technical) :) But i can make for you the icon :)10:23
apacheloggersheytan: I talked to ofirk about it, but apparently he did not change it yet *shrug*10:24
apacheloggersheytan: also, I think deploying artwork improvements will be easier now that the site in general is through reviews and whatnot :)10:24
sheytanapachelogger, when was that? :) I was talking to him, he liked my mockups, so i'm working on it. I'm going to change almost everything (artwork) and some layout. But ofir said he wants it to 10.1010:25
apacheloggerall I care about is getting rid of that icon :P10:25
Riddellthe Get Kubuntu icon?10:25
apacheloggerbecause it is not only crap but also disturbs recognizability since an app icon gets used as action icon10:26
ulyssessee it in links, and the icon was getting out^^10:26
apacheloggerRiddell: yeah10:26
apacheloggerulysses: website can also be added to the report I think10:26
apacheloggerthen we should be good to publis10:26
apacheloggerRiddell: how about some website hyping? ^^10:26
* apachelogger prepares upgrade to maverick so he can continue on u1 finalizing10:28
sheytanwell, i will work on that page until i finish it. When you will to adpot the artwork and layout changes for maveric release, then you just contact me :)10:29
apacheloggerRiddell: btw, I also uploaded a qoauth package with necessary patches to make it work for ubuntu-sso, so once/if the u1 people accept my patches the foundations should be inplace to launch a proper alpha/beta/something10:29
sheytanapachelogger when you were speaking with ofir ?:)10:32
sheytanwas he here?10:32
apacheloggerthat must have been at least a month agao10:32
* apachelogger complains at least monthly about the icon10:33
apacheloggerfor at least half a year now ^^10:33
sheytanyeah, he should show up here w week ago, but he doesn't10:34
sheytani mailed him yesterday10:34
sheytanhe said he's kinda busy right now10:34
sheytanapachelogger take a look: http://a.imageshack.us/img38/8484/kubuntu1.jpg10:38
Riddellapachelogger: what needed patching in qoauth?10:38
sheytanno kget, ktorrent icons :D10:39
Adri2000does anyone know if someone is working on updating the colibri package with version 0.2.0?10:39
sheytanulysses did Ofirk develop the page too?10:44
ulyssesI don't know10:45
sheytanas far as i know he did. So thanks to him should be written on the wiki, too :)10:45
ulyssesI'll do10:45
apacheloggerRiddell: who contributed to the new site?10:45
sheytanyes, we should write everyone who did :)10:46
apacheloggersheytan: how is workspace coming along?10:55
* apachelogger is wondering what the state my-bzr means10:55
Riddellapachelogger: ofir mostly10:55
RiddellAdri2000: I wasn't aware of a release10:56
apacheloggerulysses: in that case I would say ofir listed first with hearts and stars and stuff10:56
apacheloggerRiddell: anyone else though?10:56
sheytanapachelogger i don't know what you mean. Sorry my english ins't perfect ;)10:56
apacheloggerQuintasan: kdegraphics?10:56
Riddellapachelogger: maybe ryan10:56
apacheloggersheytan: I agree with you :)10:56
sheytanapachelogger that? :D10:57
apacheloggerwe should write everyone who did10:57
Adri2000Riddell: hmm right, looking at git log it seems ready by indeed it may have not been officially released yet10:57
sheytanapachelogger, oh, yes :)10:58
* apachelogger postpones his upgrade to maverick until he has a proper desk to work on and does update kdegames meanwhile10:58
ulyssesapachelogger: ofirk was added to the first, only the stars and hearts missing:P10:58
apacheloggerno stars and hearts!!!!10:58
RiddellAdri2000: it's not on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/colibri10:59
Riddellor rather http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Colibri?content=11714710:59
Quintasanoh right11:14
QuintasanI didn't upload?11:14
Riddellupload what?11:14
QuintasanRiddell: apachelogger says I did not upload kdegraphics rc311:15
Quintasanso I'm doing it now11:15
Riddellto the PPA?11:15
Quintasanwait, they are uploaded11:15
apacheloggerQuintasan: well, eitherway the wiki page does not say you did :P11:15
Quintasanoh man11:15
Quintasanlet me check bzr11:16
* apachelogger would call that system fail11:16
* Riddell spots http://websvn.kde.org/tags/KDE/4.5.0/11:16
apacheloggerwhat use is the wiki page if one cannot trust the states there11:16
Quintasanoh god11:16
* apachelogger poposes that we do not backport rc3 to lucid11:17
apacheloggerand jump at 4.5.0 + spend some additional time on QAing that11:17
QuintasanWe already have tarballs for 4.5 or they just tagged it?11:22
Riddelljust tagged11:24
Riddellin the mean time we have http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/release-team/2010-July/003973.html "New (optional but preferred) dep introduced in 4.5 - Opentts"11:29
Riddelland http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/release-team/2010-July/003988.html "Unannounced optional runtime dependency for SC 4.5: Cagibi 0.1 in kdesupport"11:30
* Riddell grabs cagibi11:33
debfxthe new website doesn't have a news feed anymore :(11:35
Riddellcan't be hard to set if up if you know the drupal fu11:37
freinhardwhat am i missing in case of "Could NOT find shared-mime-info"? could build a package with kde-workspace-dev 4.4.2 as dependency but doesn't work for 4.4.9211:38
Riddellapt-get install shared-mime-info  :)11:40
freinhardread: why was it dropped as a dependency of kdelibs5-dev kde-workspace-dev ?11:41
Riddellmost packages won't need it11:41
CIA-98[kdegames] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100729110457-dyklk1wnqxdb89at * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release12:05
Riddellcagibi revu needed http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=844312:15
Riddelldebfx: thanks for the comments, did you install cagibi?12:47
debfxRiddell: no, should I?12:51
Riddelldebfx: when I have it installed I find plasma-desktop freezes after a few minutes12:51
Riddellthis makes no sense to me since plasma-desktop shouldn't have anything to do with cagibi12:51
Riddellso I'd like to know if I'm making it up :)12:52
debfxRiddell: no issues so far12:58
Riddelldebfx: new upload http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=844413:00
QuintasanRiddell: is it fine if I add my patch to notifications in Kopete to our packaging?13:10
apacheloggerQuintasan: is it upstreamed yet?13:10
Quintasanapachelogger: beats, me, I attached it to relevant bug and asked about it in #kopete but noone responded13:11
apacheloggerjon did not wanna sponsor? 13:13
QuintasanIt's not like he didn13:13
QuintasanHe said he didn't touch Kopete at all and it would be safer to get it approved by Kopete devs13:13
RiddellQuintasan: it rather depends on what the patch does :)13:14
apacheloggerdoes he doubt my bug fixing capabilities? :P13:14
QuintasanRiddell: well, it just inverts the logic on one of the if's which made the whole thing not working13:14
Quintasankde bug 18411313:15
ubottuKDE bug 184113 in Notifications "No apparent way to disable events while status is Busy" [Normal,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18411313:15
apacheloggerI havent seen no kopete dev in the channel for quite some time13:15
apacheloggerI think its best if we just peer review13:15
apacheloggerRiddell: if you have time to review the patch... :)13:16
Riddellyum, boolean logic13:17
RiddellQuintasan: can you explain the code change in English?13:18
debfxRiddell: after starting a kcm as root, a second root-user cagibid instance is launched13:18
Riddelldebfx: any kcm?13:18
debfxnot sure, I started the "login screen" kcm13:19
debfxhm "/usr/bin/kcmshell4 kdm --lang en_US" is still running after closing the dialog13:21
QuintasanRiddell: Well, the thing is that when you set you status to Busy or Away and the "Enable notifications while away" was unchecked it shouldn't display notifications at all, but it did show one notification (just one popping out and no further notifications), this boolean logic checks if the event list is empty and if it is then show notifications, but we do not want it to show notifications while we are Busy or Away, right?13:22
apacheloggersupremacy of logic :P13:23
apacheloggerthe first if inside the large if block for inbound messages decided whether a notification should be shown or not13:23
apacheloggerafter that the bool MUST NOT be changed to true13:24
QuintasanI was about to mention that.13:24
apacheloggersince that would violate the logic of deciding whether a notification is to be shown or not13:24
apacheloggerkdeedu done13:25
* apachelogger picks up kdewebdev13:25
apacheloggerbulldog98: how is kdesdk?13:25
apacheloggerulysses: ping13:26
JontheEchidnayou know13:28
JontheEchidnawe can remove X-KDE-RootOnly=true from kdm's kcm's .desktop file now13:28
JontheEchidnait is kauth'd13:28
apacheloggerI think we then can also drop the rootonly patch for systemsettings13:29
JontheEchidnauserconfig still uses it13:29
apacheloggertoo bad13:29
JontheEchidnayeah :/13:29
apacheloggerso who ports userconfig?13:29
apacheloggerOTOH we could redo it in c++ :P13:30
apacheloggerjust joking13:30
JontheEchidnamight not be a bad GSoC proposal for next year13:30
Riddellwe still ought to get that upstream13:30
Quintasanapachelogger: Better than doing it in Python13:30
* Riddell eyes up yuriy 13:30
apacheloggerQuintasan: fullack13:30
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: doing a kde account manager?13:31
JontheEchidnaredoing it in C++, yeah13:31
* apachelogger imagines this to be a quite fun thing to work on TBH ... especially if one would opt for cross-operating system functionallity13:31
Quintasanoh god13:32
apacheloggerthen again one has to wonder how much sense that would make ^^13:32
apacheloggerthough ...13:32
QuintasanAccount managing on Windows using KDE front-end?13:32
apacheloggergetting it to work properly on all *nixes is already quite the challange I imagine13:32
apacheloggerholy muon!13:32
apacheloggerI hear thunder but there is no rain!13:32
apacheloggerQuintasan: hai13:32
* apachelogger likes the packages that actually do not change a lot between rcs13:33
QuintasanJust looking at WinAPI is headachegenerative13:33
QuintasanIt's not worse than Python, I hope13:33
ulyssesapachelogger: pong13:33
apacheloggerulysses: time to push the report out?13:34
apachelogger(namely announce to kubuntu-users and microblag and blogs)13:34
CIA-98[kdewebdev] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100729123508-hjz99ypehwex37oi * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release13:35
ulyssesapachelogger: yes, publish everywhere, geronimo!13:35
apacheloggerulysses: thanks for getting this started *hug*13:38
ulyssesyou're welcome13:38
* Quintasan goes out for shopping with his mother13:45
* Quintasan needs to update his ToDo list with computer-related things13:45
apacheloggerwho can edit the feature tour?14:03
=== yofel_ is now known as yofel
* ryanakca grins at the shiny new website :D14:07
Riddellapachelogger: anyone with the password I guess?14:09
RiddellI couldn't work out how to edit the front page14:09
apachelogger<jefferai> apachelogger: also, unless OpenOffice reads iWork and WordPerfect Office formats, it's probably not right to say "compatible with all Office suites"14:09
apacheloggerRiddell, ryanakca ^14:09
ryanakcaapachelogger: I don't have the password to the new site I don't think14:10
JontheEchidnaRiddell: this will break compilation of kdebase-runtime: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/52687420/kde4libs_4:4.4.92-0ubuntu4_4:4.4.92-0ubuntu5.diff.gz14:10
JontheEchidnawell, for .95 and on at any rate14:11
JontheEchidnaas Quintasan can attest, I believe ;)14:12
RiddellJontheEchidna: that's an puload of 4.4.92 which doesn't have the KIdleTime14:12
RiddellI didn't remove KIdleTime from our bzr packaging which is for 4.4.9514:13
JontheEchidnadisregard me :)14:13
Riddelldebfx: no freezing yet?14:17
macoapachelogger: that was aptitude....  if i do safe-upgrade it lets stuff go through...about 20pkgs, but holds back 120 or so14:17
Riddellryanakca: you do now14:18
RiddellI wonder if this'll work14:18
ubottuHelp! apachelogger, JontheEchidna, nhandler, Riddell, ScottK, Lex79, Quintasan, neversfelde, maco, rgreening14:18
ScottKmaco: Right.  As apachelogger said, use a proper package manager.14:19
debfxRiddell: nope14:19
macowhats improper about aptitude?14:19
shadeslayeromg were dead14:19
shadeslayerRiddell: I just finished uploading the first set of KDE 4.5.0 tarballs to14:19
shadeslayeri just saw that :P14:20
shadeslayerwere not even done with RC14:20
Riddellshadeslayer: uploading to where?14:20
shadeslayerstable/4.5.0/src. Please let me know of any blocking issues (JRiddels PyQt 4.714:20
shadeslayerfix is not yet included I believe).14:20
Riddellah, you're quoting dirk14:20
shadeslayerah you thought i... heheh :p14:21
ScottKmaco: Brain dead dependency resolver that considers removing half your system a good idea sometimes.14:21
=== Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu, making your PC friendly | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | KDE 4.5.0 is go for packaging! https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging
shadeslayeri haz no permissions on *.kde.org14:21
shadeslayerRiddell: skip RC?14:22
ScottKshadeslayer: Yes.14:22
macoScottK: i thought it was useful that it gives you alternative ways to resolve broken dependencies...14:22
Riddellshadeslayer: yes14:22
shadeslayerthat was quick tho....14:22
macoand only full-upgrade will remove things, just like dist-upgrade. safe-upgrade acts like upgrade and doesnt14:22
shadeslayerRC->Final release14:22
ScottKmaco: I find I'm generally better off with apt and sorting it out myself.14:22
shadeslayerthankfully maverick is all sorted out14:23
macoScottK: well apt-get upgrade agrees with aptitude about holding back 140 packages14:23
ScottKWhat does dist-upgrade think?14:23
shadeslayerheheh ^14:23
shadeslayerQuintasan: are you around?14:24
shadeslayerif not... then ill do kdelibs14:24
shadeslayerseems not .... 14:25
CIA-98[muon] jmthomas * 1156659 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/DetailsTabs/ (ChangelogTab.cpp ChangelogTab.h) Make a fancy busy widget for when we are fetching the changelog using KPixmapSequenceOverlayPainter14:25
JontheEchidnadantti: thanks. I didn't know about that class :)14:25
macoScottK: dist-upgrade thinks these need to go away:14:26
maco  kdebase-plasma kdepimlibs-data libkfontinst4 libkonqsidebarplugin4 libkwineffects1 libplasma-applet-system-monitor4 libplasmaclock4 libprocesscore4 libprocessui4 libqt4-assistant libsolidcontrol4 libtaskmanager4 libweather-ion414:26
JontheEchidnamaco: it's correct in that assertion. All of those are now either 4a or 1a14:26
shadeslayermaco: upgrading from what to what?14:26
macoshadeslayer: from normal lucid to the beta ppa14:26
shadeslayerright then... i think thats normal14:27
macoJontheEchidna: oooh ok. thank you :) umm what about kdebase-plasma? thats not a versioned library...14:27
CIA-98[oxygen-icons] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100729132757-19nqhcg4wvfas2j1 * debian/changelog New upstream release14:28
JontheEchidnamaco: that's an old transitional package that used to house folderview. (It's now named plasma-widget-folderview)14:28
macoJontheEchidna: ok then. *chalks it up to scary naming*14:28
JontheEchidnathat one was debian's idea :P14:28
shadeslayerRiddell: also seems my widget is stuck in new.. can you give it a boost :D14:28
maconame a package "half-your-system" and then remove it one release later14:28
macothatd freak people out14:29
shadeslayermaco: we dont want our users to get heart attacks :p14:29
apacheloggershadeslayer: clean out the ppa :P14:31
shadeslayerapachelogger: sure thing..14:31
shadeslayerwhy dont we have a option to select all packages? :P14:32
JontheEchidnabecause launchpad would likely time out if you tried14:33
shadeslayerim keeping grantlee and gluon14:35
shadeslayerif thats not a issue14:35
apacheloggersupposedly we should be able to build with maverick? + new stuff?14:36
apacheloggeralso ... why is there no soprano 2.5?14:37
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: it timed out anyways :P14:37
Riddellshadeslayer: New queue will be processed same time next week I'm afraid14:37
shadeslayerRiddell: ok no problem :)14:37
shadeslayerapachelogger: ok ill delete all the packages then14:37
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: isn't meta-kde essential to the dependency chain?14:38
apacheloggerlike I noticed kde-sc-devel or what it is called is build-dep to all sorts of stuff14:38
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: yus, it has to be bumped each release14:38
JontheEchidnait's how debian prevents misbuilds14:39
apacheloggerkdelibs -> kde-meta -> other stuff?14:39
apacheloggeror does kde-sc-devel even start before kdelibs?14:39
* apachelogger thinks it should be added to the dep graph really14:39
shadeslayer^  i would have thought thats how its done14:39
JontheEchidnakdelibs builds without kde-sc-devel-latest, but all the others need k-s-d-l to build14:39
apacheloggerso who will update the depgraph? ^^14:40
JontheEchidnaI can14:42
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: please do :)14:43
CIA-98[oxygen-icons] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100729134419-ywjifnu8zzsl3b82 * debian/changelog 4.5.014:44
apacheloggerinternal server error14:48
* apachelogger pretty much hates the kubuntu wiki14:48
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: that meta is not bzr'd?14:50
JontheEchidnawell, that is to say that it doesnt' have bzr14:50
JontheEchidnanot that it is not bzr'd14:50
JontheEchidnawell, not that it is not not bzr'd14:50
apacheloggernot having things in bzr stands in the way of distributed kde packaging14:50
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: you are not making sense :P14:51
apacheloggerFile meta-kde_63ubuntu4~ppa1.tar.gz already exists in Private PPA for Kubuntu Ninjas, but uploaded version has different contents. See more information about this error in https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/UploadErrors.14:51
apacheloggernow that is sort of evil14:51
* apachelogger opts for 4.1 since 4 is coming from rc3 14:52
apachelogger  Uploading meta-kde_63ubuntu4.1~ppa1_source.changes: done.14:52
apacheloggerSuccessfully uploaded packages.14:52
apacheloggerthere we go14:52
apacheloggerdid you break it? :O14:53
apacheloggerthat is wrong14:53
JontheEchidnaarrow overload14:54
apacheloggermeta should be above kdelibs14:54
JontheEchidnawhy above?14:54
apacheloggerbecause the resulting packages from meta depend on the appropriate version of kdelibs, dont they?14:54
JontheEchidnakde-sc-dev-latest does not depend on kdelibs14:55
apacheloggerwhat possible point does this silly package have then?14:55
JontheEchidnait breaks packages below the current version of kde you are trying to build, to prevent misbuilds14:56
apacheloggersame thing14:56
JontheEchidnathe version being set in debian/rules14:56
apacheloggerin particular it is the inverse of depending on >= current stuff which of course would not have the desired affect14:57
apacheloggerjust that it does not depend on it for realz ^^14:57
apacheloggeranyhow, for simplifaction I would just put it above kdelibs14:58
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: also, the other junk in there surely declares a dependency on some kdelibs package ;)14:59
JontheEchidnathe other ones technically depend on the whole stack15:00
JontheEchidnawhich would mean it would go on the top of the dependency graph15:00
JontheEchidnabut I will just put it above kdelibs for the sake of not having arrow overl0ad15:00
apacheloggermeta technically does not belong anywhere :P15:01
apacheloggerbecause the graph specifies build-deps15:01
apacheloggerand meta does not have no silly build-deps15:01
apacheloggerI think I just got lost myself15:01
apacheloggeron a more interesting note15:02
apacheloggerbzip2: Compressed file ends unexpectedly;15:02
apachelogger        perhaps it is corrupted?  *Possible* reason follows.15:02
apacheloggerbzip2: Inappropriate ioctl for device15:02
apachelogger        Input file = (stdin), output file = (stdout)15:02
apacheloggerand of course there are no md5sums so I dunno if my download is the craps or if the tar itself is15:02
apacheloggerI shall go into fury mode and write angry mails to dirk15:02
JontheEchidnaI do not know how to position it so that kdelibs is under sc-dev-latest15:03
JontheEchidnait is ending up going with the rest of the first-level tree items15:03
apacheloggerplasma crash15:03
apacheloggeroh dear15:03
apacheloggerah right15:04
apacheloggernow I dunno how my download is going15:04
apacheloggerKDE #fail15:04
* apachelogger uses tty15:04
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: meta -> kdelibs;15:04
apacheloggersort of like that15:04
=== freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: ^15:05
JontheEchidnaoh, that works15:06
apacheloggerremaining is the question why there is no soprano 2.515:06
apacheloggerin the name of darth vader himself!!!!15:06
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: works15:07
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: ohhhhh15:07
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: you could make the arrow from meta to libs be dashed or something ;)15:07
apacheloggerto make it apparent that it does not really build-dep on it ;)15:07
JontheEchidnahow to do that?15:07
apacheloggerman dot15:08
apacheloggerfoo -> bar[someweirdproperty:someweirdvalue];15:09
apacheloggerah s/:/= i think15:09
apacheloggerRiddell: do you want to sync QScintilla2 2.4.4?15:11
apacheloggeror package it right away?15:12
Riddellapachelogger: sync from where?15:12
apacheloggerwell, debian, once it ends up there15:12
Riddelldo we know when that's likely to be?15:12
apacheloggercurrently we are both at 2.4.3 15:12
apacheloggerRiddell: nothing terribly important in the changelog..15:13
RiddellI'll do it quickly15:14
maco3G does work with knm if you know the right info.  copying the info that the wizard generated in nm-applet works15:16
=== ykozlov_ is now known as yuriy_work
JontheEchidnaugh, the ppa builders are having unreasonable wait times again :/15:35
JontheEchidnacan't they just give all the builds on this PPA a score of 0 or something? https://launchpad.net/~pythoneers/+archive/py27stack515:35
shadeslayersorry guys .. power outage15:41
shadeslayeryou wont believe this.. one secc15:42
shadeslayerha http://imgur.com/POkMP15:42
shadeslayeri dont even have 250 TB of HD space :P15:42
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: from the url I feel scaryness ^^15:44
shadeslayerapachelogger: ppa cleansed out15:44
JontheEchidnathey are rebuilding the entire python stack, eating up all the i386 builders15:44
JontheEchidnaand causing a huge backup15:44
JontheEchidnatwo weeks ago they made a 2 day backup on builds :/15:45
apacheloggershadeslayer: I hope you did not kill my new meta-kde upload15:45
shadeslayeruh oh15:45
shadeslayeryou should have told me not to delete that :p15:46
shadeslayersorry :(15:46
apacheloggermy oh my15:46
apacheloggernow I have to bump to 4.215:47
apacheloggerah well15:47
apacheloggeroxygen is still uploading15:47
shadeslayerapachelogger: you didnt add ~ppa1 ? 0_o15:47
apacheloggeroh, true15:48
Quintasangod dman15:52
* Quintasan never belived in doing "some" shoppin with his mother15:53
QuintasanBut that was overkill15:53
JontheEchidnathis is why we can't have nice things: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopp2440515:56
JontheEchidnaboth intrepid and hardy are eol, yes?16:05
JontheEchidna(for us, anyway)16:06
JontheEchidnaif so, couldn't we remove the ancient kubuntu-members-kde4 ppa/team?16:07
RiddellJontheEchidna: yes16:09
ScottKJontheEchidna: Whine at barry on #ubuntu-devel about it.16:11
ScottK(PPA wait times)16:11
JontheEchidnaI've whined at soyuz via answers.launchpad.net to make scoring for ppa's with unreasonable pending builds... reasonable16:12
shadeslayerQuintasan: where did you add the KTime Idle stuff?16:20
Quintasanto where should it be16:20
shadeslayer( that was not pushed to bzr )16:20
shadeslayerchangelog doesnt say anything ;)16:20
shadeslayerits debian/kdelibs5-dev.install:usr/include/KDE/KIdleTime16:21
Quintasanit is there16:21
shadeslayeryes, but not in changelog16:21
shadeslayersomething is wrong... hmmm16:22
shadeslayerdpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: quilt cmake (>= 2.6.3) libphonon-dev (>= 4:4.7.0really4.4.1-0ubuntu3) libqt4-dev (>= 4:4.7.0~beta2) libqt4-opengl-dev (>= 4:4.7.0~beta2) libqtwebkit-dev libkeyutils-dev flex bison libsoprano-dev (>= 2.4.63) libstreamanalyzer-dev (>= 0.6.3) libxtst-dev libgif-dev libenchant-dev xsltproc automoc (>= 1.0~version-0.9.88) liblzma-dev libattica-dev (>= 0.1.4) shared-desktop-ontologies (>= 016:23
shadeslayer.5) libdbusmenu-qt-dev (>= 0.3.0) libpolkit-qt-1-dev libxss-dev libqca2-dev docbook-xml (>= 4.0) docbook-xsl after i ran apt-get build-dep kdelibs16:23
shadeslayerwill have to install by hand :S16:23
QuintasanI wanted to install kdelibs5-dev on cowbuilder and save changes16:24
Quintasanthanks for remining me shadeslayer 16:24
QuintasanJontheEchidna: wait, what, they are rebuidling whole python stack? -_-16:26
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: exactly.16:26
JontheEchidnaPrivate PPAs get a build score of over 9000, so KDE 4.5 will be ok16:26
Quintasanbut still, rebuilding whole python crap16:27
JontheEchidnaStart in 4 seconds (12505)16:27
Quintasanmakes me feel sick16:28
JontheEchidna^literally over 900016:28
QuintasanIT'S POWER LEVEL IS OVER 1200016:28
ScottKQuintasan: To help evaluate if we should include Python 2.7 as a supported Python version in Maverick.16:29
ScottKIt's not just because barry's a masochist.16:29
QuintasanI know that, but I get that idea that it won't be supported16:30
ScottKActually leaning towards.  Decision next week probably.16:30
Riddelllast picture of agateau http://www.flickr.com/photos/jriddell/4841174254/16:51
macoRiddell: uhh i know which one you are. which one is he?16:51
Riddellnext to me16:52
Riddellhe was looking so confident too http://www.flickr.com/photos/jriddell/4841174536/16:52
macohard to tell with helmet16:52
Riddellseconds before he disappeared http://www.flickr.com/photos/jriddell/4841174690/16:52
jussihei all16:53
shadeslayerjussi: \o17:05
shadeslayerRiddell: nice pics... prague? 17:05
shadeslayerikonia: you were flamed on a blog :P17:10
shadeslayerhttp://www.declaredvoid.com/?id=78 << 17:10
nigelbshadeslayer: LOL17:20
nigelbhe complains about the crumbs.  sigh.  its an upstream design change :/17:20
shadeslayeryep.. not our fault17:21
shadeslayertho i think the boot screen is much better now17:21
nigelbI agree17:21
nigelband about gimp, its as thought we've blacklisted gimp17:22
nigelblike "don't install gimp, its evil" and "oh yeah, i'm installing"17:22
nigelbthat dude needs a serious reality check17:22
nigelbgah, no comments section17:22
maconigelb: i know!17:23
macoi was going to make a comment saying to bitch to upstream gnome because its not an ubuntu decision and tahts what you get for using software made by people who hate choice...but...17:23
shadeslayeryou could mail him... :P17:24
ScottKIt's all rather off topic for KUBUNTU development.17:24
* shadeslayer goes back to refresh kubuntu_70_qreal.diff 17:24
* nigelb gets back to work17:24
shadeslayerseems it can be dropped :)17:33
Riddellshadeslayer: yes that can go17:34
shadeslayerRiddell: we should really enforce dep317:34
shadeslayerkdelibs building \o/17:34
jussiahh yeah, I mentioned this to a friend the other day, was meaning to file a wishlist bug. So I had an idea. Id love to have an upgrade option where it upgrades your machine to a clean install, saving only selected folders. that way you could eliminate the need to download and burn/usb'ise the iso and install it, if you could upgrade to a clean install.17:42
shadeslayeralso ill be nuking the system after packaging KDE 4.5 :p17:43
jussishadeslayer: :) glad someone likes my idea17:44
shadeslayerjussi: its a good idea :D17:44
shadeslayerfor eg. id like to save a few particular folders.... 17:44
shadeslayerand have a clean install17:44
jussishadeslayer: yeah, my usecase is music/video folders. ive a backup, but its a lt to copy back and forth...17:45
jussiso if I can just leave them there an get a clean install, that would be nice17:46
jussiof course I could set it up with a different partition, but thats not the point17:46
* Riddell away, back sunday evening, have fun17:47
shadeslayerRiddell: bye17:47
shadeslayerQuintasan: the kdelibs LP import should get working soon, just heard from jelmer @ #launchpad18:05
Quintasansoon as in few weeks or few hours?18:16
Quintasanshadeslayer: ^18:16
Quintasanwho the hell removed my yellow cells? :<18:17
Quintasanshadeslayer: I have a request, do not assign yourself to more than one package on wiki, unless you are doing two at the same time which is error prone :P18:18
shadeslayerQuintasan: actually the thing is that i have made changes to the 2 other packages18:20
shadeslayerwhich i have not pushed to bzr18:20
shadeslayerill push all of them at once18:20
Quintasanshadeslayer: what about the import?18:21
shadeslayerQuintasan: and about the previous question, well.. jelmer says another few days18:22
shadeslayerhes on #launchpad right now, so you can get all the details from him18:22
shadeslayerand kdelibs is almost done....18:23
shadeslayerwow.. took only 30 mins to compile :D18:23
shadeslayerQuintasan: i think it takes 2 hours on LP right?18:24
shadeslayeralso.. dpkg-gensymbols: warning: some new symbols appeared in the symbols file: see diff output below <<18:24
ari-tczewQuintasan: can you syncing by script syncpackage?18:24
Quintasanari-tczew: I do not think I have that script.18:25
shadeslayerQuintasan: whut? :P18:25
shadeslayerits in ubuntu-dev-tools btw18:25
QuintasanI have that installed :/18:26
shadeslayerso you must have that i think18:26
Quintasanari-tczew: the package is in universe?18:26
shadeslayerQuintasan: what do i do with the new symbols?18:27
Quintasanshadeslayer: copy paste the diff output to a patch and obviously patch the file18:28
shadeslayerwhee.. system hand18:29
Quintasanit is in bzr branch18:29
ari-tczewQuintasan: yes in universe18:31
ari-tczewQuintasan: it's easy18:31
Quintasanargh this is pain of running lucid18:31
Quintasanoutdated tools :/18:32
shadeslayerQuintasan: btw you can take workspace if you want, i didnt get around to working on that18:32
Quintasan!file debian.changelog18:32
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about file debian.changelog18:32
Quintasanworkspace is too big18:32
shadeslayerhehe :P18:32
shadeslayeralso we need pimlibs first i think18:32
QuintasanI have it ready18:33
Quintasanwaiting for kdelibs18:33
shadeslayerawesome :D18:33
shadeslayeryeah should be done in 20 mins18:33
shadeslayeri just have to refresh symbols file18:33
Quintasan!search debian.changelog18:33
ubottuFound: 18:33
Quintasanoh great18:34
Quintasanari-tczew: wait a second, let me get the newer python-debian libs18:34
shadeslayerdpkg-genchanges: error: cannot read ../kde4libs_4.5.0-0ubuntu1~ppa1.dsc: No such file or directory 0_o18:35
shadeslayerah i see18:35
Quintasanari-tczew: so, what do you want me to sync?18:36
ari-tczewQuintasan: sponsorship and use syncpackage script :)18:36
QuintasanI got it working18:36
Quintasan(Damn python)18:36
shadeslayerQuintasan:  _ZN11KTextEditor8Document11textChangedEPS0_RKNS_5RangeERK7QStringS4_@Base 4:4.5.0-0ubuntu1~ppa1 << should i remove the -0ubuntu1~ppa1?18:42
Quintasanhmmmm, for ppa upload not18:43
shadeslayerfor bzr?18:43
Quintasanyou should do another debuild -S for bzr or edit it by hand with regexp18:43
Quintasanthough I'm not sure about that18:43
Quintasanapachelogger: ^18:43
shadeslayerim standing by :P18:44
QuintasanWhy don't just just copypaste the output to a diff file and patch it?18:45
shadeslayerusing quilt?18:47
shadeslayeri dont know.. isnt that .. wrong? :P18:47
shadeslayerapachelogger: dude.. advise :P18:54
shadeslayerQuintasan: im following your lead and putting ~ppa1 stuff in18:56
Quintasangah no18:57
QuintasanYou got that diff formatted output?18:57
Quintasanput it into that damn file18:57
Quintasancopy it to debian/18:57
ScottKRiddell: Is cagibi needed in Main?18:57
Quintasanpatch -p0 < patchname.diff18:57
Quintasanrm patchname18:57
shadeslayerah ScottK is here...18:57
shadeslayerScottK: can you advise?18:57
Quintasanpatchname.diff and rebuild18:57
shadeslayerQuintasan: i did that18:58
ScottKshadeslayer: What's the question?18:58
QuintasanSo what's the problem now? :P18:58
shadeslayerScottK: http://pastebin.com/xnvah6VS<< updated symbols, do we need the -0ubuntu1~ppa1 part?18:58
shadeslayerQuintasan: the -0ubuntu1 part troubles me :P18:59
ScottKshadeslayer: No.18:59
shadeslayeralrighty then19:00
QuintasanScottK: that -0ubuntu.... is not needed at all?19:00
ScottKQuintasan: Not in symbols file when the symbol is introduced with the new upstream version.19:01
QuintasanOh, I see19:01
shadeslayerrejoice! <bigjools> I rescored the python rebuild earlier, it's behind everything else now19:03
JontheEchidnathere still are 400 packages in queue because of it, but yay19:08
JontheEchidna(400 non-python ones that were held up because of python)19:08
freinhardnot enough build daemons?19:10
shadeslayerfreinhard: too many python packages19:10
yofelwell that too19:10
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: how do they upload 177 packages in one go :P19:11
freinhardshadeslayer: as usual: before solving the real problem, try a bigger hammer!19:11
yofelonly 3 i386 ppa builders... https://edge.launchpad.net/builders/ 2 day queue19:11
shadeslayerwhat happened to the others ? 0_o19:12
ulyssesJontheEchidna: how's going Muon release?19:13
JontheEchidnaulysses: source is out there, but due to PPA constipation there are no binary packages :(19:14
ScottKDoes anyone know if cagibi is needed for 4.5.0?19:17
* Quintasan is trying sbuilder19:20
Quintasanshadeslayer: Python happened to them19:21
shadeslayerScottK: kdelibs seems to be building fine without it19:21
shadeslayerQuintasan: haha :P19:21
ScottKshadeslayer: Is that the package that uses it?19:21
shadeslayernope.. i just checked the cmake output and i dont think it uses it19:22
JontheEchidnaScottK: It's an optional runtime dependency that we would like to have19:23
Quintasanari-tczew: This sbuild seems interesting19:30
QuintasanLVM support <319:30
Quintasanneversfelde: \o19:30
ari-tczewQuintasan: ;)19:31
Quintasangod no, in FLORIDA?19:32
macoQuintasan: whats wrong with florida?19:32
* Quintasan will be 18 then so he can go19:32
Quintasanmaco: UDS N19:32
macoi know...19:32
macobut why is taht "god no"?19:32
QuintasanI forgot I can apply for sponsorship19:33
Quintasanmaco: So Florida is pretty awesome19:33
shadeslayerQuintasan: its announced?19:34
shadeslayerwhere? when?19:34
ScottKJontheEchidna: So Universe is fine then?19:34
shadeslayeri want to apply too :P19:34
Quintasansome people are denting it on identi.ca19:34
macorobbie announced it on twitter and identi.ca19:34
macoorlando, fl19:35
JontheEchidnaScottK: I think we want it on the CD19:35
* shadeslayer forgets to fire up choqok everytime :p19:35
macoand the date's been on the wiki for a month or two now... last week of october19:35
ScottKJontheEchidna: That can wait for MIR, etc. It won't block building in the mean time.19:35
* shadeslayer rushes to see19:35
QuintasanAra, still no kdelibs in ppa?19:37
neversfeldeiss someone alread packaging kdepimlibs?19:37
shadeslayermaco: as in exact last week?19:37
shadeslayerQuintasan: wait some :P19:37
macoshadeslayer: yes, the last set of M-F in october19:37
macoshadeslayer: thats the 25-2919:38
shadeslayeri have exams :/19:38
ScottKJontheEchidna: I accepted it into Universe.  If someone wants it on the CD, they need to get hot on a MIR.19:38
* shadeslayer starts crying19:38
macoshadeslayer: yeah its exam time here too19:38
Quintasanneversfelde: I;m doing kdepimlibs19:38
macoim hoping to convince my professors to schedule exams for the first 3 weeks of october, not the last one19:38
shadeslayermaco: and i cant come in the next cycle :S19:38
neversfeldeQuintasan: Have you noticed the patch announced on the packager list a few minutes ago?19:39
shadeslayeralso im yet to find the wiki page19:39
macoshadeslayer: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NReleaseSchedule19:39
Quintasanneversfelde: nope, I'm not sure I'm even receiving mails from them though I've subscribed19:40
shadeslayermaco: thanks19:40
ScottKRiddell: Very nice that the canoes were blue.19:40
shadeslayererr... 28 october is thursday ... 19:41
macoshadeslayer: yes...?19:41
Quintasanneversfelde: care to link me to ml?19:41
macoshadeslayer: every date on the schedule is a thursday19:41
shadeslayermaco: ill apply anyway, ill try to convince my professors too :P19:41
macoafaict, freezes and such are always on thursdays so if they slip, friday's still there to catch them19:41
shadeslayerwe also have the common wealth games here during october, so i guess something must be worked out19:42
shadeslayerwhy couldnt they delay it by a week.. :(19:42
shadeslayermaco: i was counting on the UDS to be in november19:43
macoshadeslayer: yeah me too til i saw that schedule a while back19:44
neversfeldeQuintasan: the archive is only available to list members https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-packager19:44
macotheyre usually november, and once it was december19:44
shadeslayerQuintasan: i has patch19:44
shadeslayerone sec19:44
Quintasanneversfelde: lol, it seems I was rejected when I first subscribed19:45
Quintasanoh man19:45
shadeslayerQuintasan: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/contactsearch-speed-fix.diff19:45
shadeslayeryou might want to poke Riddell then19:46
QuintasanShould I apply that directly to source or use it as a quilt patch?19:46
shadeslayerQuintasan: http://pastebin.com/p7LN0hiM << mail19:46
shadeslayerwell i guess quilt patch19:47
Quintasanpatching now19:47
shadeslayermaco: maybe we can bribe dholbach :P19:48
shadeslayerget him to postpone it :D19:48
shadeslayerQuintasan: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-fastuserswitch/0.2.1-1 \o/19:48
macoshadeslayer: you mean claire?19:50
shadeslayermaco: who? .. i dont know alot of people out of this channel :D19:50
macoshadeslayer: claire is the person that Makes Things Happen at canonical19:50
shadeslayerwhatever it takes to get the dates postponed by one week :P19:51
Quintasanwhy the heck shift-backspace is mapped to restart X?19:51
macoshadeslayer: http://blogs.sun.com/barton808/resource/UDS_CommandCentral.JPG keybuk, james troup, and claire19:52
macoQuintasan: whats it supposed to do?19:52
shadeslayerah :D19:52
shadeslayermaco: only 3 people in the pic :P19:52
shadeslayeroh wait19:53
shadeslayeri read that wrong :D19:53
macoonly 3 names listed...19:53
shadeslayermaco: i read ..., james, troup, and claier19:53
Quintasanmaco: shit+backspace shouldn't do anything19:53
macoQuintasan: oh ok19:53
macois james troup elmo?19:53
=== shadeslayer changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu, making your PC friendly | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | KDE 4.5.0 is go for packaging! https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging | New Kubuntu site up! thanks to ofirk !
shadeslayerparty time ! :D19:55
shadeslayerQuintasan: ugh.. more symbols appeared out of now where19:57
shadeslayerQuintasan: also .. lol 20:00
Quintasanshadeslayer: what?20:08
shadeslayerQuintasan: see what you said before ;)20:08
Quintasanoh god20:08
* Quintasan looks for aforementioned key20:09
Quintasanshadeslayer: where are my kdelibs?20:11
shadeslayerQuintasan: http://pastebin.com/UZthkzAU20:12
shadeslayerfix0ring them20:12
shadeslayerhttp://pastebin.com/Ytn8dgry < that one20:16
Quintasanshadeslayer: ignore mans20:21
ulysseswho stole my browsers?:P20:21
Quintasanshadeslayer: TBH all files except kspell_aspell.so20:23
Quintasanare already in install files20:23
shadeslayeras well as .desktop20:23
Quintasanapachelogger: fix that damn hook already20:23
shadeslayerfalse positives20:24
shadeslayerQuintasan: final rebuild20:25
shadeslayerwith debuild -nc ;)20:25
shadeslayerthen i upload20:25
QuintasanRiddell: ping20:26
shadeslayerQuintasan: hes gone till sunday20:26
Quintasanoh my20:26
shadeslayerQuintasan: what happened?20:26
QuintasanNothing important20:28
shadeslayerQuintasan: i keep getting more symbols :/20:30
QuintasanAdd them all20:30
shadeslayertill what end? :P20:30
QuintasanBeats me20:30
QuintasanTill it builds?20:30
shadeslayerit builds20:30
shadeslayerdpkg-gensymbols: complains tho20:31
=== jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna
apacheloggerQuintasan: whut?20:36
shadeslayerapachelogger: the B10 List missing hook20:36
shadeslayerand till what end do i add the new symbols?20:37
apacheloggerwhat is wrong with the hook?20:37
shadeslayerafter every compile i get new ones20:37
shadeslayerapachelogger: gives out false positives20:37
shadeslayerof that only line 6 and 10 20:38
apacheloggerother than this not having anything to do with the hoook...20:38
apacheloggerare surely not false positives20:38
apacheloggerand manpages are a known limitation of the particular list-missing implementation20:38
shadeslayeruh usr/lib/libkdeinit4_kio_http_cache_cleaner.so was already in install file20:39
JontheEchidnaactually, the libkdeinit4 ones do seem to be really false postivies in my experience20:39
shadeslayersame for the next one as well20:39
shadeslayerdude.. you made me miss dpkg-gensymbols :P20:39
apacheloggerthat is curious then20:39
shadeslayerhmm.. everything looks okies now20:40
JontheEchidnabut is kspell_aspell.so and .desktop really already there?20:41
shadeslayerthose were not there.. like i said, 6 and 10 were not  there20:41
JontheEchidnagood. I was worried for a bit there20:41
JontheEchidnacurious about the libkdeinit4 ones, though20:42
shadeslayerapachelogger: JontheEchidna btw new site is up20:42
shadeslayerin case you guys didnt notice20:42
apacheloggersomeone needs to blog20:43
apacheloggera lo20:43
apacheloggerabout sites and reports and 4.5 and awesome and love and stuff20:43
JontheEchidnashadeslayer: I dent'd about it this morning, actually20:43
shadeslayerbtw dont take up kdeutils yet20:44
ubottuKDE bug 245289 in general "printer-applet crashed on startup" [Crash,Resolved: fixed]20:44
shadeslayernew tarball might be uploaded20:44
* apachelogger pokes shadeslayer to hurry along with kdelibs -.-20:47
shadeslayeralmost done :D20:47
shadeslayeri was supposed to be asleep 15 mins ago :P20:47
shadeslayerbrrr... its stuck at dbg packages :/20:48
apacheloggerwhen we started with ninjas I did sleep like 4 hours on release days :P20:48
shadeslayerhehe ^20:48
JontheEchidnaI pbuilt for 12 hours straight when I was a youngin'20:49
apacheloggergood ol times ^^20:49
apacheloggershadeslayer: what is stuck?20:49
shadeslayerdone 20:49
apacheloggeror rather in what state20:49
shadeslayerapachelogger: dbg package was stuck at dpkg-deb: building package `kdelibs5-dbg' in `../kdelibs5-dbg_4.5.0-0ubuntu1~ppa1_amd64.deb'.20:49
shadeslayerhold on now..20:50
apacheloggerdid you turn off lzma compression?20:50
shadeslayeri dont think so :P20:50
apacheloggeryou can do that via pbuilderrc actually20:50
shadeslayerwhatever comes defaukt :D20:50
apacheloggerwhich is pretty neat20:50
apacheloggershadeslayer: default is lzma which will probably prelong package builds by 100%...20:50
* apachelogger thinks you can actually turn off compression altogether20:50
apacheloggershadeslayer: export DEB_NO_LZMA=1 in your pbuilderrc(s)20:52
* apachelogger thinks that maybe he should add a non-compression option to pkg-kde-tools20:55
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: ^ opinions20:55
JontheEchidnathat would be neat20:56
Quintasanapachelogger: seems like I have you spirit, I went and got my sleeping bag here so I won't have a long way to bed today20:59
* apachelogger is half way in bed21:00
apacheloggerlike literally ... my legs are already in bed ^^21:00
Quintasanshadeslayer: are you uploading yet?21:01
JontheEchidnaoh, I'll be away starting tomorrow until August 11th. (though I may still get online from time to time. It'll just be less often)21:01
Quintasanshould I get coffee?21:01
apacheloggeroh noes!21:02
apacheloggerno JontheEchidna :(21:02
JontheEchidnaeven I have to have my 2 weeks :P21:02
apacheloggerQuintasan: I do not even have no coffee left21:02
* apachelogger could get some breakfast tea ^^21:02
shadeslayeruploading noq21:02
QuintasanI have 8 cans of Mountain Dew but I think I do need coffee now21:03
QuintasanMD is awesome21:03
* apachelogger is wondering if apachelogger the irish soul is thinking of the right kind of mountain dew ^^21:03
shadeslayerUploading kde4libs_4.5.0.orig.tar.bz2 21:04
QuintasanI do net think so apachelogger ^^21:04
apacheloggersoft drink21:04
apacheloggerwhat an unappropriate name for a soft drink :P21:04
apacheloggerprobably not a big seller in irland21:04
shadeslayerguess what.. there was a power outage just now21:05
apacheloggeror maybe it is?21:05
shadeslayerthe universe is conspiring against me now :D21:05
apacheloggershadeslayer: that is what you get for not uploading kdelibs I suppose :P21:05
JontheEchidnamore people need to digg this! http://digg.com/linux_unix/New_Kubuntu_website_is_live21:05
* Quintasan gets his banhammer21:05
Quintasanshadeslayer: ^_^21:05
JontheEchidnaanyways, time to go home... bbiab21:05
shadeslayerapachelogger: so now i hooked up the modem and the laptop to my backup power supply...21:06
* Quintasan smashes shadeslayer's power cord with b&hammer21:06
Quintasanapachelogger: check msg :P21:06
shadeslayerim still here21:06
apacheloggerdid I get porn?21:06
QuintasanJust a little question ^_^21:07
shadeslayerSuccessfully uploaded packages.                                                                                                           21:07
apacheloggershadeslayer: so21:09
apacheloggershadeslayer: can we take kdebase-runtime, base and that shit? :P21:09
apacheloggerpardon the language there21:09
* apachelogger watched to much lewis black ^^21:09
shadeslayerapachelogger: uh actually... runtime and kdebase have some changes21:09
shadeslayerill push them to a bzr branch first then21:09
Quintasancommit them!21:09
apacheloggershadeslayer: well, just unmark the stuff we can work on while you take your beauty sleep ;)21:10
Quintasanthere was a major cleanup in ppa it seems21:11
shadeslayerapachelogger: hahaha sure :D21:11
shadeslayerQuintasan: yeah i did that21:11
Quintasanmeta-kde is still being published?21:12
shadeslayerstupid dophin21:12
apacheloggerQuintasan: hm?21:13
Quintasan Note: Some binary packages for this source are not yet published in the repository.21:13
Quintasanon meta-lde21:13
shadeslayerseems i was wrong.. no major changes for kdebase* as well21:14
shadeslayerill unmark from wiki21:14
apacheloggerQuintasan: well, I only uploaded half an hour ago because shadeslayer deleted my earlier upload21:14
shadeslayer+ accidently21:14
apacheloggeryeah sure :P21:14
* Quintasan hits shadeslayer with banhammer21:14
Quintasango to sleep21:14
apacheloggeryou just didnt want me to get launchpad karma21:14
apacheloggershadeslayer: nighty night!21:14
apacheloggersleep tight21:14
Quintasanapachelogger: Don't you have like over 9000 of it?21:15
apacheloggerdream of library symbols and missing files21:15
shadeslayer^ totally21:15
apacheloggerQuintasan: 9k? what is this? kindergarden? Oo21:15
apachelogger9k I had when I was not even MOTU21:15
QuintasanI don't know how much I have21:16
shadeslayerQuintasan: you missed a 021:16
apacheloggermind me, I still need to apply for MOTO so I can talk to neversfelde again21:16
QuintasanI have 5000 karma :O21:16
shadeslayerQuintasan: only? :P21:16
apacheloggerneversfelde: applied for MOTO and apparently got accepted as such21:16
QuintasanI don't care about karma21:16
shadeslayerQuintasan: i haz 10k :D21:16
apacheloggerand you alway say I do not do no work :P21:17
shadeslayerme neither 21:17
Quintasanjamesw has about 1milion IIRC21:17
apacheloggerQuintasan: that is because all ubuntu bzr imports go through his account21:17
apacheloggerwhich is weird in itself IMHO21:17
shadeslayerapachelogger: he wants all the karma21:17
apacheloggeryup yup ^^21:17
Quintasannice karma stealing21:17
apacheloggerquite the badass21:18
apacheloggerassign me a package to update21:18
Quintasanapachelogger: kdebindings21:18
QuintasanPython is broken again21:18
apacheloggerpyth0rn is broken?21:19
apacheloggerhow so?21:19
Quintasanbecause it is Python?21:19
apacheloggergood point21:19
shadeslayeranyways ... im off to sleep .. ill take up whatever is left of KDE tomorrow :D21:19
QuintasanDo we need any explanations for Python being broken?21:19
Quintasanshadeslayer: NOTHING WILL BE LEFT21:19
shadeslayerif theres any ...21:19
shadeslayerhehe :D21:19
shadeslayerthats good :P21:19
shadeslayernight then21:20
apacheloggerI think jon broke the graph :/21:20
apacheloggerQuintasan: bindings is pending anyway because of pimlibs :P21:20
Quintasanand I'm pending due to kdelibs21:21
Quintasanoh build started21:21
apacheloggerwell, I will get ready with graphics then21:21
apacheloggerQuintasan: you did graphics already? :P21:26
CIA-98[kdegraphics] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100729202808-q5mfakcbvjsc9st8 * debian/ (changelog control) * New upstream release - Also Bump the build-depends ;)21:28
Quintasanno pushing to bzr without testbuilding21:28
* Quintasan kicks apachelogger 21:28
Quintasanalso, use sbuild21:29
apacheloggerif I do not push and say my head explodes that no one can build on the work21:29
apacheloggerQuintasan: why would I want to use sbuild?21:29
QuintasanBecause it is better21:30
QuintasanAnd used by Debian21:30
apacheloggerand that is supposed to justify sbuild? Oo21:30
apacheloggerholy french fries21:30
Quintasanwell, it's faster than cowbuilder even?21:31
Quintasanseconds faster but faster21:31
apacheloggerdude, the compression of the debs probably takes longer than any of those setting up themselfs21:33
apacheloggeryou are tweaking at the wrong end21:33
* apachelogger thinks a build bot would be nice21:39
apacheloggerannouncing when a build starts and ends and when it is published and if there was an issue and maybe add the last couple of build lines if there was an issue ^^^21:40
Quintasankdelibs failed22:03
Quintasanapachelogger: I'm going to fix that crap22:03
txwikingerWhen I use qtwebkit to display a webpage, is it only statically, or does it also do javascript?22:04
* apachelogger is wondering why it failed22:04
apacheloggertxwikinger: js too22:04
* txwikinger likes that22:04
Quintasanshadeslayer: --22:05
apacheloggerIIRC we use that other thing22:05
Quintasangod damn22:05
* txwikinger tries to find Riddell's old tutorial on how to create a webbrowser in 5 minutes22:05
apacheloggerhence we do not build or package with aspell22:05
txwikingerQuintasan: please stop using this kind of languagw22:05
apacheloggertxwikinger: on techbase it is I suppose22:05
apacheloggerjust add qwebview and then the desired stuff for the UI you want and hook up the Qt signals to the appropriate slots ;)22:06
Quintasantxwikinger: Yes Sir!22:06
apacheloggerQuintasan: supposedly shadeslayer did not build in a clean env?22:06
apacheloggerwhat I came to wonder about...22:06
apacheloggerwho do you people actually do symbols file updates?22:07
* apachelogger has a feeling a pbuilder hook would be nice for that stuff22:07
QuintasanI did them onc22:08
Quintasanjust applied the diff22:08
txwikingerapachelogger: actually on the kubuntu wiki22:11
Quintasangreat, now launchpad time outs on me22:11
JontheEchidnaScottK: if any launchpad blog would not make you cringe, this would be the one: http://blog.launchpad.net/general/assigning-bugs-to-someone-else-or-not22:12
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: ^ how are symbol files being updated?22:12
JontheEchidnause pkgkde-deb2symbols22:13
JontheEchidnathen pkgkde-symbolshelper create -o libfoobar.symbols <dir with symbol files>22:13
JontheEchidnawell, actually that's for a new symbols file22:13
JontheEchidnato update them22:14
JontheEchidnawhat I've done is save the diff that debhelper spits at you22:14
JontheEchidnaand then pkgkde-symbolshelper patch symbols.diff -p packagename22:14
apacheloggersounds like a lovely PITA22:15
apacheloggerit shall be hook'd I say22:15
apacheloggerbut first things first... pkg-kde-tools22:15
JontheEchidnabattools need to come back with a vengance22:15
ulyssesJontheEchidna: Muon 0.4 for amd64 is reafy?22:17
JontheEchidnawhoa, you're fast22:17
JontheEchidnayeah, you should see it if you check for updates22:17
* ulysses upgrading Muon22:18
JontheEchidnalooks like i386 will be there in 3 days...22:20
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: the realm of supremacy shall once more reach out over the lands of kubuntu22:20
ulyssesoh, I was too fast: ímuon: error while loading shared libraries: libdebconf-kde.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory22:21
Quintasanapachelogger: how do you plan on doing that?22:21
JontheEchidnathat library is whacked22:22
ScottKJontheEchidna: Yes.  Just about my exact thought when I read it.22:22
JontheEchidnaulysses: could you apt-cache policy libdebconf-kde0 please?22:23
ulyssesInstalled: 0.1~svn1156003-0ubuntu1~ppa222:23
Quintasanwhat the heck22:25
Quintasanapachelogger: the install files that shadeslayer uploaded do not install that aspell file22:25
ulyssesJontheEchidna: the whole output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/470839/22:26
JontheEchidnaulysses: try installing libdebconf-kde-dev for a temporary workaround22:27
JontheEchidnaulysses: could I get the output of apt-cache show muon too, please?22:27
ulyssesJontheEchidna: Thanks, Muon starts! http://paste.ubuntu.com/470840/22:28
JontheEchidnaulysses: apt-cache show, please :)22:28
ulyssesJontheEchidna: Oh, that's here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/470841/22:29
JontheEchidnagah, it's still not linking22:29
JontheEchidnaI'll have to add it as a manual dependency again22:31
apacheloggerQuintasan: shadeslayer did not push?22:31
JontheEchidnaman, I thought .so versioning would fix the libdebconf-kde linking issue :(22:36
JontheEchidnasweet, in all its localized glory :)22:38
ulyssesnow we have to go and translate the package descriptions, what is  suck:P22:40
JontheEchidnaulysses: is "Not installed" really the same as in english?22:41
ulyssesJontheEchidna: no, it was fuzzy today morning, and the translator credit is wrong, bI committed the fix22:42
Quintasanoh man22:42
Quintasanthis is some serious mess22:42
JontheEchidnaaah, good to hear22:42
JontheEchidnaI was afraid I had messed something up ;)22:42
* ulysses slaps scripty22:43
* JontheEchidna watches more Stargate SG122:43
Quintasanplus he did no ~ppa1 upload22:45
* apachelogger hands Quintasan a cookie to make him less grumpy22:51
Quintasancookies won't help that22:51
apacheloggertoo bad :/22:53
apacheloggerwell, it was worth a try22:53
QuintasanThis is some serious business22:53
apacheloggerifeq ($(DEB_BUILD_ARCH),i386)22:53
QuintasanI wonder why sbuild won't keep downloaded packages22:54
apacheloggercan you feel it22:54
apacheloggerthe darkness?22:54
apacheloggerpoor old amd64 will feel so alone :(22:54
JontheEchidnafor not doing translation shizz on i386!22:54
apacheloggerexactly 22:54
Quintasansix cans left22:54
JontheEchidnaonly doing it on i386!22:54
eMylleroh gawd!!22:57
eMyllerqtwebkit is rendering stuff properly now! :D22:57
eMyllerwhen did they fix it?22:58
Quintasanapachelogger: building22:58
* eMyller wants to give the one who solved the bug a kiss22:58
apacheloggerbuffalo soldier22:58
eMyller[if it's a female, ofc]22:58
apacheloggerdreadlock rasta22:58
apacheloggertherw as a buffalo solider22:58
apacheloggerin the heart of america22:58
apacheloggerstolen from africa22:58
apacheloggerbrought to america22:59
apacheloggerfighting on arrival22:59
apacheloggerfighting for survival22:59
apacheloggereMyller: that sort of attitude is you not getting anywhere in floss :P23:00
apacheloggerway to few women23:00
apacheloggerone must be more flexible in these grounds :P23:00
eMyllerwas kidding, ofc23:00
eMyllerwait.. no box-shadow yet. :(23:00
apacheloggersee, not kissworthy yet anyway23:01
ulyssestime to sleep, good night23:04
eMyllernite, ulysses23:04
* apachelogger loves the doctor who soundtracks ^^23:05
apacheloggerme@osiris:~/tmp/kde-l10n-de-4.4.92$ ar t ../kde-l10n-de_4.4.92-0ubuntu1*deb23:05
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: what do you see here?23:05
JontheEchidnaan unzipped .deb?23:06
eMylleri'm using the browser addressbar at bottom. am i normal?23:06
apacheloggerwell, notice anything odd about the content? ^^23:06
apacheloggereMyller: I did have that too for a very long time23:06
apacheloggerQuintasan: what is odd about that :O23:06
Quintasanwell it's a langpack23:07
eMylleram trying to get used to it. feels good, unless for the fact that the suggestions widget isn't positioned upwards the address input widget.23:07
eMyllerso i can't see it entirely sometimes.23:07
Quintasanapachelogger: well, the only thing that seems odd is that the one file is gzipped and the other is not :P23:08
apacheloggerhere is a tip23:08
apacheloggerme@osiris:~/tmp/kde-l10n-de-4.4.92$ ar t /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs5_4%3a4.4.92a-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa2_i386.deb 23:08
apacheloggerme@osiris:~/tmp/kde-l10n-de-4.4.92$ export DEB_NO_LZMA=123:08
apacheloggerme@osiris:~/tmp/kde-l10n-de-4.4.92$ export DEB_NO_COMPRESSION=123:08
apacheloggerbuild time down 100200204%23:08
apacheloggerQuintasan: and that is how I will archive supremacy23:08
Quintasanhow does one move the aptcache from /var/cache/pbuilder/aptcache?23:13
Quintasanlibxine1-misc-plugins: Depends: libmpcdec3 which is a virtual package.23:14
Quintasanwhat the heck23:14
ScottKQuintasan: You need to update.  Either you're behind or your mirror is stale.23:15
ScottKlinxine got rebuilt already.23:15
Quintasanoh okay23:15
QuintasanScottK: ugh, seems like my mirror is stale23:17
ScottKFor the development release, I recommend you always pull straight from a.u.c.23:18
Quintasana.u.c. is what?23:19
QuintasanScottK: ^23:20
eMylleranyone on 32b could please give me the latest builds for oxygen-transparent?23:20
eMyllerKate is not behaving well with it, and the devs swear it's about oxygen-transparent...23:21
ScottKi.e. don't use a mirror23:21
ryanakcabug 61145223:23
ubottuLaunchpad bug 611452 in Kubuntu Website "Typo in http://www.kubuntu.org/'s title" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/61145223:23
QuintasanScottK: works, thanks23:24
eMylleranyone could please confirm https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42156 ?23:24
ubottubugs.webkit.org bug 42156 in WebKit Qt "Qt WebKit doesn't play nice with some CSS3 rendering" [Major,Unconfirmed]23:24
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: if rbot were truely superior its ++ plugin would use prefix ++ instead of postfix23:36
JontheEchidna~karma c23:36
JontheEchidnaaww, no kubotu23:36
QuintasanJontheEchidna: I told apachelogger I can host kubotu for a while but he didn't want me to do so :P23:38
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: whut?23:39
* apachelogger does not follow23:39
JontheEchidnafor non-pod types, ++var is more efficient than var++23:39
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: in ruby pod does not exist :P23:39
apacheloggerin fact, I would not talk about types in a ruby context to begin with23:40
apacheloggerwhich is the try supremacy here23:40
apacheloggerQuintasan: I rather have a permanent home than a travelling bot :P23:40
QuintasanIt is not23:40
Quintasanokay, it built sucessfully23:40
QuintasanTAD late but uploading23:41
Quintasanshadeslayer: you sure did some nasty things23:41
Quintasanapachelogger: we do not need compression in local builds, right?23:41
* apachelogger just wrote a mail about that stuff :P23:42
apacheloggerQuintasan: generally not, unless you publish your builds somehwere23:42
QuintasanI use pbuilder just to check if it builds23:43
apacheloggerthough one might argue that issues at compression stage might be happening that you will not see in a testbuild with no compression23:43
QuintasanI have never ever saw that happen23:43
apacheloggerthen I would argue that the chance of that happening is like 0.000000000000000123:43
stalcupdoes kubotu need hosting?23:49
eMyllerQuintasan: do you have oxygen-transparent there?23:55

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