[00:01] has anyone noticed yet? [00:02] Riddell: noticed what? [00:05] hrmph [00:05] have any of you figured out how to make firefox use the correct dpi? [00:05] i set my dpi with xrandr and all of kde is behaving marvelously [00:06] but seems like the firefox/kde integration could use some magic to make it behave too [00:06] i just cant figure out *what* magic *pout* [00:13] maco: well you need to notice it first, it would spoil the surprise if I gave the game away [00:14] Riddell: very nice! you got the password [00:14] anyway, i think this is the bug im hitting https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk2-engines-qtcurve/+bug/420610 [00:14] *pout* [00:14] Launchpad bug 420610 in gtk2-engines-qtcurve (Ubuntu) "QtCurve does not use specified font settings (dup-of: 414711)" [Undecided,New] [00:14] Launchpad bug 414711 in kde-style-qtcurve (Ubuntu) "[Karmic] QtCurve uses huge fonts instead of KDE fonts" [Undecided,New] [00:18] * Riddell wonders who will notice next [00:25] so i think we can work around that bug i just pointed to through the magic of kubuntu default settings? maybe? [00:26] Riddell: hmmm very nice if it's what i'm thinking [00:33] Riddell: nice :) [00:54] Riddell: I'm reasonably certain I've noticed. [00:56] maco: Assuming the comments in 414711 are correct, we should be able to. [00:59] the graphical workaround worked for me [00:59] once i got to the comment about changing "general" not "menu" at least ;-) [02:01] I tried /part [02:01] BAH [02:58] ooo, the new website is live [02:59] somebody should blog, but I've already blogged 3 times in the past 24 hours [03:03] ok i'l do it [03:05] who designed it? === DarkwingDuck is now known as DWonderly [03:11] WOW. Riddell, its beautiful! [03:13] jjesse: Ofir Klinger [03:17] wow... new kubuntu site [03:17] I never thought this day would come [03:17] hahaha === wgrant_ is now known as wgrnat === wgrnat is now known as wgrant [05:58] :-/ the beta ppa is all full of brokenness [05:58] it wants to remove kdebase-plasma{a} kdepimlibs-data{a} libkfontinst4{a} libkonqsidebarplugin4{a} libkwineffects1{a} libplasma-applet-system-monitor4{a} libplasmaclock4{a} libprocesscore4{a} libprocessui4{a} libsolidcontrol4{a} libtaskmanager4{a} libweather-ion4{a} [08:54] Riddell: the difference between ubuntu-sso and ubuntuone-auth is that ubuntu-sso does not hardcode ubuntuone [09:02] maco: use a proper package manager :P [09:04] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100729080425-37c9sblq4iroj0k9 * (3 files in 2 dirs) get rid of com.ubuntuone.authentication dbus service [09:43] \o [09:51] lo Quintasan [09:56] Riddell: splitting the ubuntuone KCM into multiple (with sidepane menu) has but oene disadvantage ... I would have to build my own dialog in the statusnotifer instead of just showing a kcm :/ [10:03] website looks great! [10:21] oh [10:21] new site [10:21] with stinky ktorrent icon ^^ [10:21] * apachelogger pokes sheytan to do something about this madness ^^ [10:22] valorie: was that announced somewhere? [10:22] no, I was just reading the logs, and figured that's what riddell was being cagey about [10:22] :-) [10:23] apachelogger for me, changing the page now, wasn't good idea ( of course from artwork site, don't know about technical) :) But i can make for you the icon :) [10:24] sheytan: I talked to ofirk about it, but apparently he did not change it yet *shrug* [10:24] sheytan: also, I think deploying artwork improvements will be easier now that the site in general is through reviews and whatnot :) [10:25] apachelogger, when was that? :) I was talking to him, he liked my mockups, so i'm working on it. I'm going to change almost everything (artwork) and some layout. But ofir said he wants it to 10.10 [10:25] *shrug* [10:25] all I care about is getting rid of that icon :P [10:25] the Get Kubuntu icon? [10:26] because it is not only crap but also disturbs recognizability since an app icon gets used as action icon [10:26] see it in links, and the icon was getting out^^ [10:26] Riddell: yeah [10:26] ulysses: website can also be added to the report I think [10:26] then we should be good to publis [10:26] Riddell: how about some website hyping? ^^ [10:28] * apachelogger prepares upgrade to maverick so he can continue on u1 finalizing [10:29] well, i will work on that page until i finish it. When you will to adpot the artwork and layout changes for maveric release, then you just contact me :) [10:29] Riddell: btw, I also uploaded a qoauth package with necessary patches to make it work for ubuntu-sso, so once/if the u1 people accept my patches the foundations should be inplace to launch a proper alpha/beta/something [10:32] apachelogger when you were speaking with ofir ?:) [10:32] was he here? [10:32] that must have been at least a month agao [10:32] *ago [10:33] * apachelogger complains at least monthly about the icon [10:33] for at least half a year now ^^ [10:34] yeah, he should show up here w week ago, but he doesn't [10:34] i mailed him yesterday [10:34] he said he's kinda busy right now [10:38] apachelogger take a look: http://a.imageshack.us/img38/8484/kubuntu1.jpg [10:38] apachelogger: what needed patching in qoauth? [10:39] no kget, ktorrent icons :D [10:39] does anyone know if someone is working on updating the colibri package with version 0.2.0? [10:40] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/TeamReports/10/July [10:44] ulysses did Ofirk develop the page too? [10:45] I don't know [10:45] as far as i know he did. So thanks to him should be written on the wiki, too :) [10:45] I'll do [10:45] Riddell: who contributed to the new site? [10:46] yes, we should write everyone who did :) [10:46] ack [10:55] sheytan: how is workspace coming along? [10:55] * apachelogger is wondering what the state my-bzr means [10:55] apachelogger: ofir mostly [10:56] Adri2000: I wasn't aware of a release [10:56] ulysses: in that case I would say ofir listed first with hearts and stars and stuff [10:56] Riddell: anyone else though? [10:56] apachelogger i don't know what you mean. Sorry my english ins't perfect ;) [10:56] Quintasan: kdegraphics? [10:56] apachelogger: maybe ryan [10:56] sheytan: I agree with you :) [10:57] apachelogger that? :D [10:57] we should write everyone who did [10:57] Riddell: hmm right, looking at git log it seems ready by indeed it may have not been officially released yet [10:58] apachelogger, oh, yes :) [10:58] * apachelogger postpones his upgrade to maverick until he has a proper desk to work on and does update kdegames meanwhile [10:58] apachelogger: ofirk was added to the first, only the stars and hearts missing:P [10:58] no stars and hearts!!!! [10:58] omg [10:59] Adri2000: it's not on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/colibri [10:59] or rather http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Colibri?content=117147 [11:04] ok [11:14] oh right [11:14] I didn't upload? [11:14] upload what? [11:15] Riddell: apachelogger says I did not upload kdegraphics rc3 [11:15] so I'm doing it now [11:15] to the PPA? [11:15] wait, they are uploaded [11:15] Quintasan: well, eitherway the wiki page does not say you did :P [11:15] oh man [11:16] aha [11:16] let me check bzr [11:16] * apachelogger would call that system fail [11:16] * Riddell spots http://websvn.kde.org/tags/KDE/4.5.0/ [11:16] what use is the wiki page if one cannot trust the states there [11:16] done! [11:16] oh god [11:17] * apachelogger poposes that we do not backport rc3 to lucid [11:17] and jump at 4.5.0 + spend some additional time on QAing that [11:18] yes [11:22] We already have tarballs for 4.5 or they just tagged it? [11:24] just tagged [11:29] in the mean time we have http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/release-team/2010-July/003973.html "New (optional but preferred) dep introduced in 4.5 - Opentts" [11:30] and http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/release-team/2010-July/003988.html "Unannounced optional runtime dependency for SC 4.5: Cagibi 0.1 in kdesupport" [11:33] * Riddell grabs cagibi [11:35] the new website doesn't have a news feed anymore :( [11:37] fooey [11:37] can't be hard to set if up if you know the drupal fu [11:38] what am i missing in case of "Could NOT find shared-mime-info"? could build a package with kde-workspace-dev 4.4.2 as dependency but doesn't work for 4.4.92 [11:40] apt-get install shared-mime-info :) [11:41] read: why was it dropped as a dependency of kdelibs5-dev kde-workspace-dev ? [11:41] most packages won't need it [12:05] [kdegames] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100729110457-dyklk1wnqxdb89at * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release [12:15] cagibi revu needed http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=8443 [12:47] debfx: thanks for the comments, did you install cagibi? [12:51] Riddell: no, should I? [12:51] debfx: when I have it installed I find plasma-desktop freezes after a few minutes [12:51] this makes no sense to me since plasma-desktop shouldn't have anything to do with cagibi [12:52] so I'd like to know if I'm making it up :) [12:58] Riddell: no issues so far [13:00] debfx: new upload http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=8444 [13:09] lol [13:10] Riddell: is it fine if I add my patch to notifications in Kopete to our packaging? [13:10] Quintasan: is it upstreamed yet? [13:11] apachelogger: beats, me, I attached it to relevant bug and asked about it in #kopete but noone responded [13:13] jon did not wanna sponsor? [13:13] It's not like he didn [13:13] He said he didn't touch Kopete at all and it would be safer to get it approved by Kopete devs [13:14] pffff [13:14] Quintasan: it rather depends on what the patch does :) [13:14] does he doubt my bug fixing capabilities? :P [13:14] Riddell: well, it just inverts the logic on one of the if's which made the whole thing not working [13:15] kde bug 184113 [13:15] KDE bug 184113 in Notifications "No apparent way to disable events while status is Busy" [Normal,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=184113 [13:15] hm [13:15] I havent seen no kopete dev in the channel for quite some time [13:15] I think its best if we just peer review [13:16] Riddell: if you have time to review the patch... :) [13:17] yum, boolean logic [13:18] Quintasan: can you explain the code change in English? [13:18] Riddell: after starting a kcm as root, a second root-user cagibid instance is launched [13:18] debfx: any kcm? [13:19] not sure, I started the "login screen" kcm [13:21] hm "/usr/bin/kcmshell4 kdm --lang en_US" is still running after closing the dialog [13:22] Riddell: Well, the thing is that when you set you status to Busy or Away and the "Enable notifications while away" was unchecked it shouldn't display notifications at all, but it did show one notification (just one popping out and no further notifications), this boolean logic checks if the event list is empty and if it is then show notifications, but we do not want it to show notifications while we are Busy or Away, right? [13:23] supremacy of logic :P [13:23] the first if inside the large if block for inbound messages decided whether a notification should be shown or not [13:24] after that the bool MUST NOT be changed to true [13:24] I was about to mention that. [13:24] since that would violate the logic of deciding whether a notification is to be shown or not [13:25] kdeedu done [13:25] * apachelogger picks up kdewebdev [13:25] bulldog98: how is kdesdk? [13:26] ulysses: ping [13:28] you know [13:28] we can remove X-KDE-RootOnly=true from kdm's kcm's .desktop file now [13:28] it is kauth'd [13:29] oh [13:29] perfect [13:29] I think we then can also drop the rootonly patch for systemsettings [13:29] userconfig still uses it [13:29] oh [13:29] too bad [13:29] yeah :/ [13:29] so who ports userconfig? [13:30] OTOH we could redo it in c++ :P [13:30] just joking [13:30] might not be a bad GSoC proposal for next year [13:30] we still ought to get that upstream [13:30] apachelogger: Better than doing it in Python [13:30] * Riddell eyes up yuriy [13:30] Quintasan: fullack [13:31] JontheEchidna: doing a kde account manager? [13:31] redoing it in C++, yeah [13:31] * apachelogger imagines this to be a quite fun thing to work on TBH ... especially if one would opt for cross-operating system functionallity [13:32] oh god [13:32] then again one has to wonder how much sense that would make ^^ [13:32] though ... [13:32] Account managing on Windows using KDE front-end? [13:32] getting it to work properly on all *nixes is already quite the challange I imagine [13:32] holy muon! [13:32] I hear thunder but there is no rain! [13:32] Quintasan: hai [13:33] * apachelogger likes the packages that actually do not change a lot between rcs [13:33] Just looking at WinAPI is headachegenerative [13:33] It's not worse than Python, I hope [13:33] apachelogger: pong [13:34] ulysses: time to push the report out? [13:34] (namely announce to kubuntu-users and microblag and blogs) [13:35] [kdewebdev] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100729123508-hjz99ypehwex37oi * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release [13:35] apachelogger: yes, publish everywhere, geronimo! [13:38] ulysses: thanks for getting this started *hug* [13:38] you're welcome [13:45] * Quintasan goes out for shopping with his mother [13:45] * Quintasan needs to update his ToDo list with computer-related things [14:03] who can edit the feature tour? [14:03] Riddell? === yofel_ is now known as yofel [14:07] * ryanakca grins at the shiny new website :D [14:09] apachelogger: anyone with the password I guess? [14:09] I couldn't work out how to edit the front page [14:09] apachelogger: also, unless OpenOffice reads iWork and WordPerfect Office formats, it's probably not right to say "compatible with all Office suites" [14:09] Riddell, ryanakca ^ [14:10] apachelogger: I don't have the password to the new site I don't think [14:10] Riddell: this will break compilation of kdebase-runtime: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/52687420/kde4libs_4:4.4.92-0ubuntu4_4:4.4.92-0ubuntu5.diff.gz [14:11] well, for .95 and on at any rate [14:12] as Quintasan can attest, I believe ;) [14:12] JontheEchidna: that's an puload of 4.4.92 which doesn't have the KIdleTime [14:12] file [14:12] aaah [14:13] I didn't remove KIdleTime from our bzr packaging which is for 4.4.95 [14:13] disregard me :) [14:17] debfx: no freezing yet? [14:17] apachelogger: that was aptitude.... if i do safe-upgrade it lets stuff go through...about 20pkgs, but holds back 120 or so [14:18] ryanakca: you do now [14:18] I wonder if this'll work [14:18] !ninjas [14:18] Help! apachelogger, JontheEchidna, nhandler, Riddell, ScottK, Lex79, Quintasan, neversfelde, maco, rgreening [14:18] ~ninjas [14:19] maco: Right. As apachelogger said, use a proper package manager. [14:19] eh? [14:19] Riddell: nope [14:19] whats improper about aptitude? [14:19] omg were dead [14:19] Riddell: I just finished uploading the first set of KDE 4.5.0 tarballs to [14:20] i just saw that :P [14:20] were not even done with RC [14:20] shadeslayer: uploading to where? [14:20] stable/4.5.0/src. Please let me know of any blocking issues (JRiddels PyQt 4.7 [14:20] fix is not yet included I believe). [14:20] ah, you're quoting dirk [14:20] yep [14:21] ah you thought i... heheh :p [14:21] maco: Brain dead dependency resolver that considers removing half your system a good idea sometimes. === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu, making your PC friendly | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | KDE 4.5.0 is go for packaging! https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging [14:21] i haz no permissions on *.kde.org [14:22] Riddell: skip RC? [14:22] shadeslayer: Yes. [14:22] ScottK: i thought it was useful that it gives you alternative ways to resolve broken dependencies... [14:22] shadeslayer: yes [14:22] that was quick tho.... [14:22] and only full-upgrade will remove things, just like dist-upgrade. safe-upgrade acts like upgrade and doesnt [14:22] RC->Final release [14:22] maco: I find I'm generally better off with apt and sorting it out myself. [14:23] thankfully maverick is all sorted out [14:23] ScottK: well apt-get upgrade agrees with aptitude about holding back 140 packages [14:23] What does dist-upgrade think? [14:23] heheh ^ [14:24] Quintasan: are you around? [14:24] if not... then ill do kdelibs [14:25] seems not .... [14:25] [muon] jmthomas * 1156659 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/DetailsTabs/ (ChangelogTab.cpp ChangelogTab.h) Make a fancy busy widget for when we are fetching the changelog using KPixmapSequenceOverlayPainter [14:25] dantti: thanks. I didn't know about that class :) [14:26] ScottK: dist-upgrade thinks these need to go away: [14:26] kdebase-plasma kdepimlibs-data libkfontinst4 libkonqsidebarplugin4 libkwineffects1 libplasma-applet-system-monitor4 libplasmaclock4 libprocesscore4 libprocessui4 libqt4-assistant libsolidcontrol4 libtaskmanager4 libweather-ion4 [14:26] maco: it's correct in that assertion. All of those are now either 4a or 1a [14:26] maco: upgrading from what to what? [14:26] shadeslayer: from normal lucid to the beta ppa [14:27] right then... i think thats normal [14:27] JontheEchidna: oooh ok. thank you :) umm what about kdebase-plasma? thats not a versioned library... [14:28] [oxygen-icons] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100729132757-19nqhcg4wvfas2j1 * debian/changelog New upstream release [14:28] maco: that's an old transitional package that used to house folderview. (It's now named plasma-widget-folderview) [14:28] JontheEchidna: ok then. *chalks it up to scary naming* [14:28] that one was debian's idea :P [14:28] Riddell: also seems my widget is stuck in new.. can you give it a boost :D [14:28] name a package "half-your-system" and then remove it one release later [14:29] bleh [14:29] thatd freak people out [14:29] maco: we dont want our users to get heart attacks :p [14:31] meh [14:31] shadeslayer: clean out the ppa :P [14:31] apachelogger: sure thing.. [14:32] why dont we have a option to select all packages? :P [14:33] because launchpad would likely time out if you tried [14:34] lol [14:35] im keeping grantlee and gluon [14:35] if thats not a issue [14:36] why? [14:36] supposedly we should be able to build with maverick? + new stuff? [14:37] also ... why is there no soprano 2.5? [14:37] JontheEchidna: it timed out anyways :P [14:37] shadeslayer: New queue will be processed same time next week I'm afraid [14:37] Riddell: ok no problem :) [14:37] apachelogger: ok ill delete all the packages then [14:38] JontheEchidna: isn't meta-kde essential to the dependency chain? [14:38] like I noticed kde-sc-devel or what it is called is build-dep to all sorts of stuff [14:38] apachelogger: yus, it has to be bumped each release [14:38] so [14:39] it's how debian prevents misbuilds [14:39] kdelibs -> kde-meta -> other stuff? [14:39] or does kde-sc-devel even start before kdelibs? [14:39] * apachelogger thinks it should be added to the dep graph really [14:39] ^ i would have thought thats how its done [14:39] kdelibs builds without kde-sc-devel-latest, but all the others need k-s-d-l to build [14:39] ok [14:40] so who will update the depgraph? ^^ [14:42] I can [14:43] JontheEchidna: please do :) [14:44] [oxygen-icons] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100729134419-ywjifnu8zzsl3b82 * debian/changelog 4.5.0 [14:48] internal server error [14:48] * apachelogger pretty much hates the kubuntu wiki [14:49] hm [14:50] JontheEchidna: that meta is not bzr'd? [14:50] nope [14:50] well, that is to say that it doesnt' have bzr [14:50] not that it is not bzr'd [14:50] well, not that it is not not bzr'd [14:50] not having things in bzr stands in the way of distributed kde packaging [14:51] JontheEchidna: you are not making sense :P [14:51] File meta-kde_63ubuntu4~ppa1.tar.gz already exists in Private PPA for Kubuntu Ninjas, but uploaded version has different contents. See more information about this error in https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/UploadErrors. [14:51] aha [14:51] ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh [14:51] right [14:51] now that is sort of evil [14:52] * apachelogger opts for 4.1 since 4 is coming from rc3 [14:52] Uploading meta-kde_63ubuntu4.1~ppa1_source.changes: done. [14:52] Successfully uploaded packages. [14:52] there we go [14:53] http://simplest-image-hosting.net/png-0-kde-dep-graph [14:53] :s [14:53] did you break it? :O [14:53] ah [14:53] that is wrong [14:54] ugly [14:54] arrow overload [14:54] meta should be above kdelibs [14:54] why above? [14:54] because the resulting packages from meta depend on the appropriate version of kdelibs, dont they? [14:55] kde-sc-dev-latest does not depend on kdelibs [14:55] what possible point does this silly package have then? [14:56] it breaks packages below the current version of kde you are trying to build, to prevent misbuilds [14:56] ah [14:56] same thing [14:56] the version being set in debian/rules [14:57] in particular it is the inverse of depending on >= current stuff which of course would not have the desired affect [14:57] just that it does not depend on it for realz ^^ [14:58] anyhow, for simplifaction I would just put it above kdelibs [14:59] JontheEchidna: also, the other junk in there surely declares a dependency on some kdelibs package ;) [15:00] the other ones technically depend on the whole stack [15:00] which would mean it would go on the top of the dependency graph [15:00] but I will just put it above kdelibs for the sake of not having arrow overl0ad [15:01] meta technically does not belong anywhere :P [15:01] because the graph specifies build-deps [15:01] and meta does not have no silly build-deps [15:01] well [15:01] I think I just got lost myself [15:02] so [15:02] on a more interesting note [15:02] bzip2: Compressed file ends unexpectedly; [15:02] perhaps it is corrupted? *Possible* reason follows. [15:02] bzip2: Inappropriate ioctl for device [15:02] Input file = (stdin), output file = (stdout) [15:02] and of course there are no md5sums so I dunno if my download is the craps or if the tar itself is [15:02] um [15:02] I shall go into fury mode and write angry mails to dirk [15:02] muhahahahaha [15:03] I do not know how to position it so that kdelibs is under sc-dev-latest [15:03] it is ending up going with the rest of the first-level tree items [15:03] http://simplest-image-hosting.net/png-0-kde-dep-graph0 [15:03] ah [15:03] plasma crash [15:03] oh dear [15:04] ah right [15:04] now I dunno how my download is going [15:04] KDE #fail [15:04] * apachelogger uses tty [15:04] JontheEchidna: meta -> kdelibs; [15:04] sort of like that === freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying [15:05] http://paste.ubuntu.com/470709/ [15:05] JontheEchidna: ^ [15:06] oh, that works [15:06] http://simplest-image-hosting.net/png-0-kde-dep-graph1 [15:06] remaining is the question why there is no soprano 2.5 [15:06] in the name of darth vader himself!!!! [15:07] JontheEchidna: works [15:07] JontheEchidna: ohhhhh [15:07] JontheEchidna: you could make the arrow from meta to libs be dashed or something ;) [15:07] to make it apparent that it does not really build-dep on it ;) [15:07] how to do that? [15:08] man dot [15:08] dunno [15:09] foo -> bar[someweirdproperty:someweirdvalue]; [15:09] ah s/:/= i think [15:11] Riddell: do you want to sync QScintilla2 2.4.4? [15:12] or package it right away? [15:12] apachelogger: sync from where? [15:12] well, debian, once it ends up there [15:12] do we know when that's likely to be? [15:12] *shrug* [15:12] currently we are both at 2.4.3 [15:13] Riddell: nothing terribly important in the changelog.. [15:14] I'll do it quickly [15:14]