[01:10] <Volkodav> I created /boot partition as sdc2 but the installer fails to install grub there ?
[01:11] <Daekdroom> Volkodav, what partition type is it?
[01:11] <Volkodav> tried ext3 and 4
[01:12] <Volkodav> then installed to MBR to different drive and then get the error on inserting btrfs and also no /sbin/init in the system
[01:15] <Volkodav> Hmm tried both alpha 2 and daily alternate CD's
[01:27] <Volkodav> I just mounted it and home and boot are empty - so the install failed I guess ?
[01:50] <napsy> Hello. When trying to install catalyst draivers from "Hardware drivers" I get the following error: http://pastebin.com/M7CGYfHK Any fixes?
[02:49] <DanaG> Say, is it normal for the search box in unity not to do jack-diddly-squat?  (yes, I am mixing expressions, I think).
[02:49] <DanaG> I type in it, and letters appear.  Period.  Nothing else happens.
[04:25] <Volkodav> what are the values in /etc/fstab for btrfs for ssd ?
[04:45] <Volkodav> looks like ssd is all it needs really
[05:10] <ripps> lol, the libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 in maverick breaks almost every package in my system
[05:12] <Volkodav> same here
[05:12] <ZykoticK9> Cross post from #ubuntu, but hoping someone closer to the development community might have an insight.  What's up with the version number, in Lucid right now? "lsb_release -d" in terminal is showing "Ubuntu 10.04.1 LTS" currently.  But according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickReleaseSchedule 10.04.1 is suppose to be released on August 12th?
[05:23] <kklimonda> ZykoticK9: it got bumped in preparation for the point release. one less thing to worry about during release process
[05:24] <ZykoticK9> kklimonda, thanks.  That's a lot better answer then the "it's lieing" in #ubuntu.  Take care.
[05:47] <DanaG> That's part of the release process.
[05:47] <DanaG> The "release" is just when they say "these packages as they are now, are the release".
[05:47] <DanaG> The system builds the release automatically.
[05:48] <DanaG> So they have to change the version, then build the "release" on that changed version.
[05:48] <DanaG> At least, that's my impression.
[06:47] <Tohuw> Why isn't aptitude included in 10.10?
[06:48] <Tohuw> My sloppily researched conclusion had always been that apt-get doesn't handle unused dependencies in some cases when removing packages.
[06:48] <ajmitch> afaik it is included, just not on the default install
[06:48] <Tohuw> oh, it's in the repos
[06:49] <Tohuw> I just thought it odd they would preclude it from the default packages.
[06:50] <Tohuw> eh, every time I try empathy I end up going back to Pidgin. It looks like this will be no exception... empathy is a very lackluster IRC client
[06:50] <DanaG> Empathy is a pathetic, well, anything.
[06:50] <Tohuw> ^
[06:51] <Tohuw> The decision to leave Pidgin was a poor one, in my mind.
[06:55] <Tohuw> oh hey, removing empathy and empathy-common no longer breaks ubuntu-desktop
[06:55] <Tohuw> also, i'm going to crash in a moment
[07:03] <Volkodav> empathy sucks
[07:34] <kklimonda> Volkodav: that's great - thanks for sharing your insight with us
[07:34] <Volkodav> anytime
[08:25] <Machtin> hey guys. is it me or is java gone from the repos?
[08:28] <kklimonda> no, it's there
[08:37] <void^> sun-java was moved to partner repo in lucid
[08:44] <Machtin> yep, read that.. was it renamed?
[08:45] <Machtin> java6-runtime <- is it that one then, i guess?
[09:34] <napsy> Hello. Are the linux-image and linux-headers packages in sync yet?
[09:38] <Guest79647> The Last update broke kernel versions and catalyst modules can't compile
[10:53] <napsy> Is there a way to turn on power-saving for opensource radeon drivers?
[11:28] <sepidev> Why everything (GUI Apps) in ubuntu 10.10 works 30% to 50% slower than the normal situation. Is is a X11 bug?
[11:28] <Volkodav> Anybody tested the SSD on brtfs with write cache on/off ? I am reading different results
[11:30] <Volkodav> trying to figure what will be a better option for performance/life expextancy
[11:31] <sepidev> I need some advices about maverick
[11:32] <sepidev> everything(GUI apps) works slower (30% to 40% )than normal situation.
[11:33] <sepidev> I think there would be an X11 bug, but i can find a viable solution
[11:34] <sepidev> hey...
[11:35] <Crashbit> sepidev: I think there would be a GTK bug
[11:36] <sepidev> maybe... but how can i get rid of it?
[11:36] <sepidev> some gtk themes such as elemetary affect the performance drastically
[11:37] <Crashbit> I don't know, I think it's a bug with RGBA (transparency)
[11:39] <sepidev> I searched into "Configuration Editor" to find a way to disable RGBA mode, but i found nothing.
[11:45] <Crashbit> sepidev: I have the same problem and "gtkperf" shows poor perfomance
[11:47] <sepidev> Crashbit: Have you found a way?
[11:48] <kklimonda> I don't think there is a simple workaround other than changing a theme
[12:15] <Crashbit> I'm searching in launchpad for GTK and RGBA bugs, but I don't see any bug that correspond with what happens
[12:18] <kklimonda> one of bugs that you may be affected by is bug 595845
[12:19] <gnomefreak> #ubuntu-bugs would be the best place to ask
[12:19] <gnomefreak> they might know more
[12:32] <om26er> Crashbit, but that change is not in maverick I think
[12:35] <Crashbit> om26er: I don't know, with clearlooks theme, the perfomance is better than ambiance, but transparencies doesn't work correctly
[12:35] <om26er> Crashbit, these are the bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=gtk-csd but the change is not in maverick. they are from alpha2 when gtk had csd support
[12:44] <om26er> there is a gtk update which apparently seem to remove way too many things..
[12:44] <om26er> anyone else have it?
[12:45] <gnomefreak> i didnt see it but let me check to make sure
[12:46] <Sarvatt> om26er: it's been fixed for a few hours here
[12:46] <gnomefreak> gtk2-engines-pixbuf gir1.0-gtk-2.0 were the only ones by the look of it
[12:46] <gnomefreak> a few other libgtks as well
[12:47] <gnomefreak> Sarvatt: do you have the fixed version
[12:48] <Sarvatt> it was libwmf
[12:49] <Sarvatt> i think, it stopped trying to remove most of gnome on dist-upgrade once that update came along
[12:50] <gnomefreak> well an hour ago i did dist-upgrade and it didnt want to remove anything, but added a few packages
[12:52] <Sarvatt> yeah last night up until a few hours ago it was trying to remove most of gnome, guessing om26er's mirror is just lagging
[12:52]  * om26er switches the mirror
[12:52] <gnomefreak> gb is one of the best to use
[12:52] <gnomefreak> i use it and i get updates when i should :)
[12:57] <Volkodav> what is that mirror ? mine still wants to remove
[13:00] <gnomefreak> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick main restricted   sorry i forgot to add the gb when i removed us
[13:00] <gnomefreak> Volkodav: i recommend using gb depending on wher eyou are
[13:01] <Volkodav> US
[13:01] <gnomefreak> Volkodav: than either use gb.archive (just adding the gb and the .
[13:01] <gnomefreak> or just remove us.
[13:02]  * Volkodav fixing
[13:02] <gnomefreak> me too :)
[13:06] <gnomefreak> it seems partner repo doesnt like gb
[13:06] <gnomefreak> never had issues with it before
[13:06] <Volkodav> I'll try some UK
[13:07] <gnomefreak> gb is in UK (at lleast i am pretty sure
[13:07] <gnomefreak> )
[13:07] <Volkodav> I don't see on the list though
[13:08]  * gnomefreak has a hard time remebering what countries are part of UK
[13:08] <gnomefreak> !mirrors
[13:08] <gnomefreak> Volkodav: try one of there on the link(s)
[13:09] <gnomefreak> damn smart got fast
[13:09] <gnomefreak> Channels have 30538 new packages.
[13:09] <Volkodav> :)
[13:10] <gnomefreak> Computing transaction...
[13:10] <gnomefreak> No interesting upgrades available.  :)
[13:11]  * gnomefreak uses it due to the things it says
[13:12] <Pici> !mirrorstatus | also
[13:12]  * gnomefreak not sure how to word this
[13:14] <gnomefreak> mvo: any chance smartpm will get an overhauled gui (i dont like the fact that it gives you the folders with the packages in side.) but maybe that is just me :(
[13:14]  * gnomefreak tries to stick to terminal rather than gui
[13:16] <gnomefreak> ok we should really rename !mirros or alias it
[13:17] <Pici> gnomefreak: go for it
[13:17] <gnomefreak> Pici: im thinking
[13:17]  * gnomefreak goes for smoke to think
[13:20] <Volkodav> Utah server is up to date
[13:23] <Volkodav> all good
[13:36] <Volkodav> hmm can't get vlc smplayer or xine-ui installed
[13:37] <Volkodav> borked packages and dependencies
[13:42] <gnomefreak> xine has depends issues
[13:42] <gnomefreak> has for a few days now
[13:44] <Volkodav> same as the other two
[13:49] <head_victim> xine just worked for me
[13:49] <head_victim> And I installed vlc yesterday or the day before?
[13:50] <gnomefreak> it does work now
[13:50] <Volkodav> can not get any of them installed for 2 days now - just checked again
[13:50] <Volkodav> maybe it is on x86_64
[13:50] <gnomefreak> yep me niether but i just installed xine-ui
[13:50] <head_victim> Hmm odd, the mirror I use is saying up to date on launchpad as well so it's not lagging behind
[13:51] <head_victim> I am on 64 bit
[13:51] <Volkodav> xine-ui:
[13:51] <Volkodav>  Depends: libxine1 but it is not going to be installed
[13:51] <Volkodav> Depends: vlc-nox but it is not going to be installed
[13:51] <Volkodav>  Recommends: vlc-plugin-pulse but it is not going to be installed
[13:52] <gnomefreak> libxine1 is already the newest version.
[13:52] <gnomefreak> libxine1 set to manually installed.
[13:52] <head_victim> Yeah both are here as well.
[13:53] <head_victim> so gnomefreak are you on 64 as well? Volkodav you are on 32?
[13:54] <gnomefreak> yeah vlc is still broken
[13:54] <Volkodav> 64
[13:54] <gnomefreak> im on 32
[13:54] <head_victim> Odd, I have both installed on 64, going to set up a 32 install as well to confirm
[13:55] <Volkodav> http://pastie.org/1065358
[13:55] <gnomefreak> anyone know what format cds use?
[13:55] <Volkodav> that's what it offers
[13:55] <Pici> gnomefreak: iso9660
[13:55] <gnomefreak> music cd? Pici
[13:56] <Pici> uh
[13:57] <gnomefreak> Volkodav: yeah using apt-get will cause depends issue. aptitude tends to get into trouble sometimes
[13:59] <gnomefreak> aptitude does as you tell it to no matter what (you can also choose from different ways to do it)
[14:00] <gnomefreak> smartpm does the same thing sometimes
[14:00] <Volkodav> yeah
[14:00] <gnomefreak> coffee run
[14:01] <Volkodav> Depends: libmpcdec3 which is a virtual package - that's a show stopper
[14:04] <yofel_> Volkodav: what app?
[14:04] <Volkodav> xine-ui
[14:05] <yofel> needs a rebuild then
[14:05] <yofel> maverick has libmpcdec6
[14:05] <Volkodav> well I'll wait then
[14:20] <gnomefreak> anyone else notice F-spot crashing?
[14:20] <Volkodav> I use mirage
[14:20] <Volkodav> light and fast
[14:21] <gnomefreak> i want f-spot screen saver so i kind of need it
[14:49] <head_victim> I can confirm the fault with vlc on 32bit looking for vlc-plugin-pulse, working fine on 64
[14:49] <Volkodav> hmm
[14:49] <head_victim> xine-ui worked fine though
[14:50] <head_victim> I'm new to this alpha stuff should we wait a day or so to see if it's going to be built or file a bug?
[14:52] <Volkodav> nah - wait it'll get fixed
[14:52] <head_victim> No worries.
[16:35] <sinurge> does anyone know of a good news reader
[16:36] <sinurge> oops sorry wrong forum
[16:39] <charlie-tca> sinurge: I like liferea
[16:52] <sinurge> thanks charlie-tca but would like something from the terminal
[16:56] <charlie-tca> newsbeuter was good for terminal
[16:56] <charlie-tca> even allows podcasts
[18:13] <LucidFox> Wow
[18:14] <LucidFox> just updated to Maverick on my netbook, the Unity UI looks really slick, kudos for that
[18:14] <LucidFox> but how do I add an application icon to the left navigation bar?
[18:20] <ChogyDan> hey guys, is there a way to explore the maverick packages without installing maverick?
[18:21] <Volkodav> read about them
[18:21] <Volkodav> look at screenshots
[18:21] <Volkodav> :-D
[18:21] <ChogyDan> Volkodav: I mean where, how
[18:22] <ChogyDan> packages.ubuntu.com is still down...
[18:22] <Volkodav> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/alpha2
[18:22] <ChogyDan> ah, I see what you are saying
[18:27] <yofel> ChogyDan: you could query the bot '/msg ubottu info <packagename> maverick'
[18:27] <Volkodav> yofel what's up
[18:28] <Volkodav> did you bench your SSD on brtfs with/without cache write
[18:28] <Pici> I use rmadison myself.
[18:29] <Volkodav> I have a strange feeling close to almost sure that ext4 tuned up for ssd in 10.4 is snappier then 10.10 with brtfs on the same drive
[18:30] <ChogyDan> yofel: thanks
[18:30] <Volkodav> at least boot almost twice faster
[18:32] <yofel> Volkodav: nope, my ssd is still using ext4, I don't really have the time to reinstall currently ./
[18:32] <yofel> and pretty much everyone seems to say that btrfs is slow, especially with dpkg
[18:32] <Volkodav> I did side by side install on the same drive - maverick has twice larger partiton and still feels slower:-(
[18:33] <yofel> I guess it's not so bad with an ssd, but still..
[18:33] <Volkodav> it really is
[18:33] <Volkodav> I can really tell the difference between 10.4 on ext4
[19:22] <dupondje> Somebody else having the problem that Terminal is sometimes getting closed when trying to close another program ?
[19:22] <dupondje> I close for example firefox who is on top
[19:22] <dupondje> bug instead of firefox closing, terminal is closing
[19:29] <Chipaca> dupondje: yes
[19:30] <yofel> dupondje: you mean closing from the taskbar or by the window close button?
[19:30] <Chipaca> close button
[19:31] <yofel> doesn't happen here (KDE)
[19:31] <Chipaca> not just with the terminal, however; a couple of times the window that is not the topmost one of a stack of maximized windows closes instead of the topmostest one
[19:31] <Chipaca> once, the terminal, but another time it was chromium
[19:31] <Chipaca> the terminal asked because I had several tabs open, fortunately
[19:32] <patdk-wk> doesn't happen for me, using gnome
[19:32] <patdk-wk> I have 50 packages since yesterday to update though :(
[19:39] <patdk-wk> ok, updated, rebooted, still can't make that issue happen
[19:40] <Daekdroom> Never happened here.
[20:23] <dr3mro> hello please I want to participate to ubuntu ... where do I start.. I want to be a developer with python please any one guide me the way thnx
[20:25] <BUGabundo> anyone noticed faster boots in this last few days?
[20:27] <yofel> !contribute | dupondje
[20:27] <yofel> !contribute | dr3mro
[20:27] <yofel> sry dupondje
[20:30] <patdk-wk> BUGabundo, nope, mine is always fast :)
[20:31]  * BUGabundo steals patdk-wk ultra fast SSDs
[20:31] <patdk-wk> my laptop :)
[20:31] <patdk-wk> but I was meaning my esxi :)
[20:34] <IdleOne> !packaging | dr3mro
[20:37] <BUGabundo> http://bootcharts.f.bugabundo.net/
[20:37] <BUGabundo> here are my boot charts
[20:37] <BUGabundo> they really show faster boots
[21:49] <dupondje> yofel: windows close button
[21:49] <dupondje> Chipaca: you know if there is some bug about it ?
[21:49] <Chipaca> dupondje: no. Until you asked, I thought it was just me or something :)
[21:51] <dupondje> seems not :P
[21:51] <dupondje> but I have no idea where to file a bug ...
[21:52] <dupondje> what package ..
[21:52] <Chipaca> dupondje: do you use compiz?
[21:52] <dupondje> nop
[21:53] <Chipaca> dupondje: me netiher. So it's probably metacity.
[22:36] <sepidev> why most of  meerkat's themes work so slowly? is there a bug in GTK+ or theme engines?
[22:41] <sepidev> most of the meerkat's themes work slowly.why? how can i repair it?
[23:35] <Nwallins> Hi, I tried to use the alternate install disc to get a minimal install
[23:36] <Nwallins> instead i got the kitchen sink -- compiz, erlang, python-twisted, etc.
[23:36] <Nwallins> i was never asked for a software selection
[23:36] <Nwallins> also, I could not set my / to be bootable during manual partitioning
[23:37] <head_victim> There is a minimal installation cd usually, not sure if there's one for meerkat, hang on a tick I'll look
[23:37] <Nwallins> I would hit [Enter]   on Bootable: no, the screen would flash
[23:37] <Nwallins> and back to the configure screen, with Bootable still no
[23:37] <Nwallins> head_victim: ok, thx
[23:37] <head_victim> Nwallins: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[23:38] <Nwallins> head_victim: nothing for meerkat?
[23:38] <head_victim> Nwallins: not on that page, but that's the context, looking for a link to the meerkat one if it exists
[23:39] <Nwallins> ok, got it
[23:40] <head_victim> Cool, I was still looking
[23:40] <Nwallins> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/maverick/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[23:40] <head_victim> Just be aware you have to download more stuff using that install
[23:40] <head_victim> It's basically just the core and then you download the other packages required.
[23:40] <Nwallins> so, the alternate installer is supposed to isntall everything?
[23:40] <Nwallins> yep, what i want
[23:40] <Nwallins> i think exactly what i want is something like debian base system
[23:40] <head_victim> Nwallins: for what you want it sounds like the minimal would suit better.
[23:41] <head_victim> Nwallins: well that is similar to the netinstall debian download
[23:41] <Nwallins> yep
[23:41] <head_victim> I haven't used the alternate cd in ages sorry so not exactly sure what it does and doesn't offer.
[23:42] <Nwallins> i read you can get a minimal system out of it
[23:42] <Nwallins> i want miminal + xorg + lxde
[23:42] <Nwallins> but it never asked me for software selection
[23:42] <Nwallins> i look over and it's downloading compiz   o_0
[23:42] <head_victim> There may have been an "advanced" button somewhere that would ahve given you the option but yeah, not sure as I haven't actually used it for a while :/
[23:42] <Nwallins> or copying from cd or whatever
[23:53] <Nwallins> head_victim: fyi, no kernel modules found
[23:53] <Nwallins> installer no workie
[23:53] <head_victim> hmm
[23:54] <Nwallins> i gotta run, i will be back on in 2 hours, or tomorrow
[23:54] <Dink> Nwallins, there is a "minimal/base" option for the alternate cd
[23:55] <Dink> I think its f4 or f6 forget which and you select minimal
[23:55] <Dink> nvm you left
[23:57] <head_victim> Ah he did indeed