[00:30] <bobo123> to have flash-cookies deleted each time I run firefox I changed the command for the firefox-command in the Program menu to     bash -c 'rm -rf ~/.adobe; rm -rf ~/.macromedia; firefox %u'    instead of just    firefox %u      and it seems to work. Are there any bad side effects by doing this, or are there a better way to do this?
[01:04] <stlsaint> bobo123: a script to run at logout would do that for ya
[01:05] <bobo123> stlsaint: how do I do that?
[01:06] <Masamune> Erp... beginner user here, think I've snafu'd my bootloaders, can't boot into anything or from livecd, anyhelp?
[01:06] <stlsaint> Masamune: please explain what you did
[01:07] <bobo123> stlsaint: ah. you mean a script that runs automaticly (somehow) when I logout from ubuntu?
[01:08] <stlsaint> bobo123: sure
[01:08] <Masamune> was reinstalling 10.04 and decided to shift the 'mount point'? The bit that tells your computer which place to boot from, before now I've set it to the :/ and it's worked, this time I put it in HDA7 with the install, installed everything fine but when I restarted it just gave me Error: File Not Found - Grub Rescue>
[01:09] <Masamune> Checked online and I can't boot from Ubuntu 10.04 live cd and I don't have windows install disk
[01:09] <bobo123> Masamune: you should be able to boot from the livecd at least, since it doesn't depend on the grub bootloader. booting from cd only depends from bios-settings (some computers wants you to press a key for example F10 to get the bios'es boot-from-what menu)
[01:10] <Masamune> I set bios to boot from cd first, used the boot menu and it didn't work.
[01:10] <Masamune> I tried disabling all other boot devices and it just tells me that it is not a system file or something like that and to replace it with bootable media
[01:11] <bobo123> but it tries to read from the cd at least?
[01:11] <Masamune> Yeah it tries, I got as far as the blinking dash which lasts for a minute or so then it just drops out.
[01:11] <stlsaint> Masamune: are you able to try a usb?
[01:12] <Masamune> Not right now, that will have to be for tomorrow.
[01:12] <Masamune> I'm just wondering what the method will be?
[01:12] <Masamune> I've found stuff online describing how to reinstall the bootloaders where they should be but they have all required me to boot from live CD, I'm not even entirely confident that USB booting will work.
[01:13] <stlsaint> Masamune: yes if you are unable to boot from the harddrive, cd, or usb than i cannot currently think of  away to do anything less you do a network boot
[01:13] <stlsaint> but thats for installing mainly
[01:15] <Masamune> I have a USB boot option and Network something but I'm using an old eMac so I don't know if I'll be able to set up a bootable usb.
[01:15] <stlsaint> Masamune: this drive have data you need to save on it?
[01:16] <Masamune> If at all possible yes
[01:16] <Masamune> brb
[01:16] <bobo123> btw...
[01:16] <duanedesign> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Using%20CLI%20to%20Boot
[01:16] <bobo123> are you sure it doesn't boot from the cd but somehow hangs?
[01:18] <duanedesign> if itboots to grub-rescue> you could try the 4 commands listed on that link
[01:18] <Masamune> I should have written down the error message, I remember it being something along the lines of : No bootable media found. or something like that.
[01:19] <Masamune> Duandesgin, I'll have to try that, I tried something similar earlier but it some of the commands could not be found.
[01:20] <Masamune> Also, it's always booted from that CD before, not sure why it stopped this time, by the looks of things if I could boot to cd I could fix this pretty easily using the stuff that's about online.
[01:21] <Masamune> Thanks for the help :D
[02:16] <harrison> hello
[02:57] <harrison> hello?
[03:05] <stlsaint> my network doesnt work under my lucid
[03:08] <yax51> hey I cant seem to play dvds...Ive tried movie player, GNOME Mplayer and about to try Mplayer....but nothing has seemed to work...
[03:09] <head_victim> yax51: have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[03:16] <yax51> Victory!!!! Thanks!
[03:55] <tenach> Is there a way to make Empathy comply with my blocked user lists that are set up on the native protocols? People I've blocked on YIM can message me if I'm using Empathy, but can't if I'm using the chat in their web mail.
[06:34] <tenach> If I installed ubuntu, then xubuntu, can i remove the ubuntu metapackage?
[06:35] <tenach> Would that mess things up?
[06:40] <seidos> I've never tried it.  Only one way to find out!
[06:40] <seidos> but I'm not going to do it.  I've already tried too much stuff to break this thing.
[06:41] <seidos> at least for the time being
[06:41] <seidos> I'm kind of comfortable with how well it's working
[06:41] <pedro3005> by ubuntu metapackage you mean ubuntu-desktop?
[06:41] <pedro3005> I don't think it ever hurts to remove it
[06:41] <pedro3005> but I don't know
[06:42] <tenach> Okay.
[06:42] <tenach> A friend of mine put Ubuntu on their netbook, then installed the xubuntu packages.
[06:42] <tenach> Doesn't want to use the NBR
[06:42] <seidos> I've installed the xubuntu-desktop package
[06:43] <seidos> why doesn't he want to use NBR?
[06:43] <IdleOne> you can safely remove ubuntu-desktop package but if/when upgrading to a new version of ubuntu you will want to install it again, it could cause problems if missing.
[06:44] <IdleOne> !purexfce
[06:44] <ubot2> If you want to remove all !KDE and !Gnome packages and have a default !Xubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce »
[06:54] <tenach> seidos, doesn't like the NBR interface.
[06:54] <seidos> tenach, oh
[09:45] <Silver_Fox_> o/
[11:33] <nogrill> hello?
[11:36] <Silver_Fox_> Hello nogrill
[11:37] <nogrill> following problem: metacity kept on crashing and I got a little impulsive, so i would eventually remove it with all of its dependencies trying to switch to the "mutter" alternative because it was the first the synaptics offered. now i ended up with a not booting gui and a networkless console-mode :( help?
[11:41] <nogrill> whoops... I almost forgot, it's a ubuntu 10.04 system
[11:42] <Silver_Fox_> Have you tried sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start ?
[11:44] <nogrill> what would it do ?(sry, there's only this machine available right now, so i will take notes and the try my look when rebooting it ;) )
[11:46] <Silver_Fox_> It restarts gdm
[11:47] <nogrill> :( gdm does start but i don't get past it...
[11:51] <nogrill> i get no desktop...am just dragged back to the login screen
[11:51] <Silver_Fox_> Oh, I misundestood. Sorry
[11:53] <nogrill> :) i don't really know how to describe what went wrong entirely because i don't know what the dependencies were... ;) maybe i should have written them down
[12:07] <nogrill> :) i got an idea....thx for takin the time.
[13:57] <philinux>  My Problem: Router resets after one minute from cold switch on. After that it's ok
[14:54] <hobgoblin> so any uk people (or anyone who possibly might know) have any idea why a bt homehub fails badly with nfs ?
[15:05] <philinux> Hi hobgoblin You asked that yesterday lol
[15:05] <hobgoblin> yep - and I will ask again if I get no answer
[15:05] <philinux> Try asking in ##networking
[15:06] <hobgoblin> I'd need to set the damn thing up to do that ... they's want information - not sure if I can go without music for that long lol
[15:08] <philinux> Whats going wrong
[15:09] <hobgoblin> it fails to read the nfs drives
[15:09] <hobgoblin> not sure tbh - I shall have one more go at the weekend
[15:09] <hobgoblin> possibly it's a firewall in the router doing it
[15:10] <hobgoblin> old netgear has no problems with it - and of course phoning BT will be completely pointless
[15:11] <philinux> Did you have to recompile the kernel
[15:11] <hobgoblin> whatever for?
[15:11] <philinux> Ah that was the old days lol
[15:12] <Silver_Fox_> If in doubt always recommend recompiling kernal
[15:12] <Silver_Fox_> Basic rule of thumb
[15:12] <hobgoblin> possibly, been using nfs for a few years without issue
[15:14] <hobgoblin> philinux: ty for the channel anway - I shall set the thing up and get as much info as I can before I go there
[15:15] <philinux> hobgoblin: would upnp work
[15:15] <hobgoblin> believe I tried that
[15:16] <hobgoblin> but I am sort of fairly sure it is some stupid firewall rule ... and I also need to change the IP addresses it gives
[15:33] <hobgoblin> hi swoody
[15:33] <hobgoblin> can we help you :)
[15:36] <philinux> hobgoblin: Edification: what does chanserv gives voice mean
[15:37] <Mohan_chml> hobgoblin, we surely can help swoody
[15:37] <Mohan_chml> (:
[15:37] <hobgoblin> just exactly that, there are some voiced people in here and some not
[15:37] <philinux> voiced?
[15:37] <slidinghorn> philinux, it's for members of the Beginners Team
[15:37] <philinux> ah ok
[15:38]  * slidinghorn is in beginners team limbo
[15:38] <hobgoblin> it used to be that this was the team channel and at one point we made meetings so that only voiced people would be able to talk
[15:38] <slidinghorn> :-P
[15:38]  * hobgoblin has wandered away from the fold 
[15:38]  * Mohan_chml needs hobgoblin back to the team
[15:38] <hobgoblin> seeing if the grass is greenererer
[15:38] <hobgoblin> Mohan_chml: would like not need ;)
[15:39] <Mohan_chml> ?_?
[15:39] <hobgoblin> personally hobgoblin does not need the obnoxious and pompousness that took over
[15:39] <Mohan_chml> ;_;
[15:39] <hobgoblin> so will just wander in and help and wander out again
[15:39] <philinux> What obnox and pomp?
[15:40] <hobgoblin> philinux: stuff
[15:40] <philinux> ok
[15:40] <hobgoblin> don't worry :)
[15:40] <philinux> Who are the mods in here ?
[15:41] <hobgoblin> there are a couple of irc ops idling in here - and a few of the voiced members have ops
[15:41] <hobgoblin> but if stuff needs doing then a shout in ubuntu-beginners-team usually wakes someone up
[15:42] <philinux> can you tell who are irc ops from the sttus icons in right pane?
[15:42] <hobgoblin> no
[15:42] <Mohan_chml> philinux, why you need ops here??
[15:42] <Mohan_chml> ops names*
[15:42] <hobgoblin> I just happen to know some of them
[15:42] <philinux> Just learning IRC
[15:42] <philinux> Bit green in these parts
[15:43] <philinux> ops names*
[15:43] <hobgoblin> only rarely did I ever need to use ops in here when I had it
[15:43] <hobgoblin> there's a permatroll that visits from time to time but mostly it's a good channel
[15:43] <philinux> hob not just in here other channels etc
[15:44] <Mohan_chml> philinux, you mean you want to know the acces list of a channel??
[15:44] <hobgoblin> well I don't know for sure in a general sense
[15:45] <philinux> Just want to know how has ops in any channel for info. Does it show in the right pane of people singed in
[15:45] <hobgoblin> no
[15:46] <philinux> Ah
[15:46] <philinux> It currently says 1 ops 67 total
[15:46] <hobgoblin> that is chanserv
[15:47] <Mohan_chml> philinux, what client you are using?
[15:47] <hobgoblin> in xchat green node is ops - yellow is voiced
[15:47] <philinux> xchat
[15:47] <hobgoblin> then ^^
[15:49] <philinux> Ah ok. I guess some are eligile to take ops
[15:49] <hobgoblin> and of course afaik freenode staff can take ops anywhere they want
[15:50] <hobgoblin> nhandler would answer that one if he was about
[15:51] <nhandler> Need me?
[15:52] <nhandler> You can see who has OP access in a channel with: /msg chanserv access #channel list
[15:52] <hobgoblin> I knew you'd know
[15:52] <hobgoblin> :)
[15:53] <philinux>  /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-beginners list
[15:53] <philinux> err
[15:53] <Mohan_chml> philinux, lol
[15:53] <hobgoblin> remove the space philinux
[15:54] <philinux> What space. Need more coffee kettle is on
[15:54] <hobgoblin> at the beginning
[15:55] <philinux> Blimey
[15:56] <duanedesign> in a default install does the category Applications --> Other  have any application launchers?
[15:56] <hobgoblin> not afaik duanedesign
[15:56] <duanedesign> ahhh, thank you
[15:56] <hobgoblin> hang on - I think I am wrong
[15:57] <philinux> Yes it has a load
[15:57] <hobgoblin> thought so - just remembered I disable a whole bunch of menu stuff #
[15:58]  * duanedesign trying to decide if my app should install in other or accessories
[15:58] <philinux> duanedesign: Which app
[15:58] <hobgoblin> what is the app
[15:58] <duanedesign> clicompanion
[15:59] <hobgoblin> oh that - remind me
[15:59] <duanedesign> https://launchpad.net/clicompanion
[15:59] <duanedesign> about to push a new version
[15:59] <duanedesign> with a shiny new logo and desktop file to install a launcher in the menu.
[16:00] <philinux> duanedesign: I'd go with accessories
[16:00] <hobgoblin> accessories or maybe even system tools
[16:00] <philinux> duanedesign: since terminal lives there
[16:00] <duanedesign> hmm tough choice. there are so many apps in Accessories
[16:01] <hobgoblin> you gonna go to a ppa?
[16:01] <philinux> 13
[16:01] <philinux> Not as bad as systemprefs
[16:02] <duanedesign> hobgoblin: think so. I am going to put it here https://launchpad.net/~clicompanion-devs
[16:02] <hobgoblin> duanedesign: hoiw do you run it
[16:02] <philinux> duanedesign: system tools is not active as a menu item in the default install
[16:03] <duanedesign> hobgoblin: if you install the deb that is on the page now you have to issue the command clicompanion
[16:03] <hobgoblin> duanedesign: I get an error running it
[16:03] <duanedesign> hobgoblin: no .clicompanion file
[16:04] <hobgoblin> yea
[16:05] <hobgoblin> all good now - I would put it in accessories
[16:05] <duanedesign> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~duanedesign/clicompanion/1.0/annotate/head%3A/.clicompanion
[16:06] <duanedesign> if you put that in $home
[16:06] <duanedesign> hobgoblin: ok accessories it is :)
[16:06] <duanedesign> thanks. will get that ppa up now
[16:07] <philinux> duanedesign: defo access
[16:27] <duanedesign> https://launchpad.net/clicompanion  i have the new .deb up
[16:30] <philinux> Just installed and doesn't run
[16:31] <philinux> duanedesign: terminal output http://paste.ubuntu.com/470732/
[16:36] <duanedesign> thanks philinux
[16:36] <hobgoblin> duanedesign: I get some errors from some of the buttons  - http://ubft.pastebin.com/4ccY6jcu
[16:37] <hobgoblin> I removed the old one before I reinstalled it - so you know
[16:37] <philinux> duanedesign: next deb then ! ;)
[16:37] <duanedesign> aha
[16:38] <duanedesign> there is a blank line at the bottom of the .clicompanion file :P
[16:38] <duanedesign> thnk you for testing!
[16:38] <hobgoblin> there are 2 df -h's too
[16:39] <hobgoblin> maybe add sudo fdisk -l to the list too :)
[16:39] <hobgoblin> and you have sudo lspci and lspci - is sudo lspci not better as sudo lshw
[16:39] <hobgoblin> lsusb maybe
[16:39] <hobgoblin> I'll shutup now :)
[16:40] <philinux> hobgoblin: floodbot help
[16:41] <duanedesign> hobgoblin: no that is helpful. I need a good default setup
[16:41] <philinux> duanedesign: apt-get update && apget upgrade
[16:41] <philinux> must learn tospell
[16:42] <philinux> with the sudo would help
[16:42] <hobgoblin> mmm I must have the old list then
[16:44] <hobgoblin> and a remove the old list makes it not start
[16:48] <duanedesign> hobgoblin: ok i put up the new one
[16:48]  * philinux thinks Duane is packaging new deb
[16:48] <hobgoblin> new deb?
[16:48] <duanedesign> yes
[16:49] <philinux> Aha he we go again
[16:49] <hobgoblin> duanedesign: does the deb not include the basic . file?
[16:49] <duanedesign> https://launchpad.net/clicompanion
[16:49] <duanedesign> hobgoblin: yes if you remove the .clicompanion file it should reinstall it
[16:49] <hobgoblin> ok I can test that too
[16:51] <hobgoblin> duanedesign: cat .clicompanion cat: .clicompanion: No such file or directory
[16:51] <hobgoblin> oh it is elsewhere then
[16:52] <duanedesign> that is weird.
[16:52] <duanedesign> it is here as well   /etc/clicompanion.d/clicompanion.config
[16:52] <hobgoblin> run remove and quit still give the same errors
[16:52] <duanedesign> and the application copies it from there on first run
[16:52] <hobgoblin> gdebi made no mention of making a file in home
[16:52] <philinux> duanedesign: http://paste.ubuntu.com/470738/
[16:52] <hobgoblin> oh ok
[16:53] <philinux> duanedesign: I purged the old one
[16:53] <duanedesign> philinux: you must still have the old .clicompanion file. it wont overwrite it if it already exists
[16:54] <duanedesign> philinux: ok. I wonder if it is not installing over the one in /etc/clicompanion.d/clicompanion.config
[16:54] <philinux> duanedesign: no .clicompanion file in home I dont think it ran enough to create one
[16:54] <philinux> brb
[16:55] <hobgoblin> duanedesign: it works here - other than the errors above
[16:55] <duanedesign> ok. so it copied the fiile into your ~/home
[16:55] <duanedesign> ha ha ~/home
[16:56] <hobgoblin> yep it did
[16:56] <philinux> duanedesign: I just purge it and all in etc gone will reinstall
[16:58] <philinux> duanedesign: same errors as before in pastebin
[17:00] <Mjiig> i can't connect to other computers on my network with nautilus. it always returns an error. can anyone help me?
[17:00] <hobgoblin> duanedesign: I lied the run works - I was just not giving it aamything to run
[17:02] <duanedesign> philinux: can you open ~/.clicompanion and see if it has a blank line at the bottom?
[17:03] <philinux> duanedesign: no file created as it failed to run I guess
[17:03] <duanedesign> philinux: ok i am attempting to reproduce
[17:03] <philinux> Im using 64 bit
[17:04] <hobgoblin> duanedesign: do you want me to add a blank line to mine?
[17:09] <hobgoblin> duanedesign: I can reproduce it failing and I did
[17:09] <duanedesign> philinux: when you purged the config files did you leave the folder /etc/clicompanion.d
[17:10] <duanedesign> i can rm ~/.clicompaninon; rm /etc/clicompanion.d/clicompanion.config  and when it reinstalls it wont copy the file into home
[17:10] <philinux> I did apt-get purge and it removed everything
[17:13] <Mjiig> i can't connect to other computers on my network with nautilus. it always returns an error. can anyone help me?
[17:14] <duanedesign> hobgoblin: by adding the extra line?
[17:14] <hobgoblin> duanedesign: from purge to reinstall  - http://ubft.pastebin.com/B4Yt6PE3
[17:14] <hobgoblin> duanedesign: yes - by adding a line it failed to start
[17:15] <hobgoblin> Mjiig: what are you trying to connect to ? windows machines?
[17:15] <Mjiig> yes if i click Places>Network it comes up with a windows network option, clicking this returns an error
[17:16] <hobgoblin> Mjiig: never had much to do with samba - I assume the first time you tried it asked to install what it needed?
[17:17] <Mjiig> no, it never asked to install anything and never works
[17:18] <Mjiig> if i connect with smb://<ip address> i get onto the network but any other options i click return an error
[17:19] <hobgoblin> Mjiig: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpSamba have a look there - unfortunately I only ever looked at it for a very short time
[17:20] <Mjiig> thanks i'll take a look
[17:21] <philinux> duanedesign: new deb in the wings?
[17:27] <duanedesign> philinux: think so :)
[17:43] <varun_> Hi all! I'm using this kind of service for the firs time. Just wanna try how I can seek/offer help if and when needed.
[17:43] <kohlers> i got a little problem with an external storage device... the (partitioned) disc is being detected, but won't be mounted because it is "not authorized". what might be wrong?
[17:45] <varun_> for a quick read/write access, you can try "gksudo nautilus".
[17:46] <kohlers> in terminalthat is?
[17:46] <varun_> Yes. For a permanent permission change, you may need to use commands like chmod, but I'm not familier with it.
[18:15] <duanedesign> philinux: i think i got it figured out
[18:15] <philinux> What was it
[18:15] <duanedesign> philinux: sudo apt-get purge clicompanion removes everything but the .clicompanion fiile because that gets copied from inside the app, not the installer
[18:16] <duanedesign> so it is seeing that .clicompanion file and not copying the new one
[18:16] <philinux> Yep but I never got a .clicompanion folder
[18:16] <duanedesign> it is just a file
[18:16] <philinux> Ah
[18:16] <duanedesign> if you do the purge and a rm ~/.clicompanion
[18:16] <duanedesign> then install the .deb, cross my fingers, it should work
[18:17] <philinux> stand bye
[18:17] <duanedesign> i was getting the same thing. I could not figure it out, lol
[18:18] <philinux> Yep running now wohoo
[18:18] <duanedesign> oh great!
[18:18] <duanedesign> philinux: thank you so much for testing it
[18:19] <philinux> Runs a treat
[18:20] <duanedesign> if you highlight a vommand and clickhelp the man page comes up
[18:20] <duanedesign> command*
[18:21] <duanedesign> i piped it through 'most' because people were having trouble figuring out how to close the man page. Most has the 'press Q to close' at the bottom
[18:21] <philinux> duanedesign: Yeah, I was expect to use mouse to scroll but it's cursor up down as usual
[18:21] <duanedesign> i noticed that too.
[18:22] <philinux> Good idea most, never heard of ot before
[18:22] <duanedesign> philinux: i stunbled upon it when i started using zsh instead of bash
[18:22] <philinux> duanedesign: you need to get debian certified and have it packaged in ubuntu
[18:23] <duanedesign> i got a .zshrc file from bodhi and it was set t open all man pages with most
[18:23] <duanedesign> philinux: i have done one blog post for the 1.0b1 and it was very popular
[18:24] <philinux> I beleive it takes ages to get in to debian packaging
[18:24] <duanedesign> wished i would of set up the PPA before i did that. Now a lot of people have an early 'buggy' version
[18:24] <philinux> This trusted thing I read
[18:24] <duanedesign> ahhh
[18:25] <hobgoblin> duanedesign: you know that running help against any of the sudo commands only gets man sudo
[18:26] <philinux> duanedesign: I wonmder if it's possisble to automate this. http://tuxtweaks.com/2009/12/remove-old-kernels-in-ubuntu/
[18:28] <hobgoblin> I'd not like that - could go horribly wrong :)
[18:29] <nhandler> Didn't the functionality of rm -rf / (DO NOT RUN THE COMMAND) change to display a warning or something?
[18:31] <IdleOne> nhandler: I would test "the command" but honestly I'm to affraid to
[18:31] <nhandler> IdleOne: Yeah, I was going to do it in TestDrive, but for some reason, testdrive is acting up
[18:31] <IdleOne> then again I do have a separate /home and a clean install wouldn't hurt me so much
[18:31] <hobgoblin> nhandler: something along those lines I am sure
[18:31] <philinux> hobgoblin: works a treat
[18:32] <nhandler> Anyone with a VM around to test that rm command ?
[18:32] <IdleOne> nhandler: I assume it requires sudo before it runs
[18:32] <nhandler> IdleOne: Yeah
[18:32] <hobgoblin> I was just looking and found I've not anymore
[18:33] <IdleOne> nhandler: let me know if you find someone with a vm to test, if not I will test later tonight.
[18:33] <hobgoblin> IdleOne: I'll do it shortly
[18:33] <nhandler> Thanks hobgoblin
[18:33] <IdleOne> hobgoblin: ok.
[18:35] <IdleOne> nhandler: if it does'nt ask for extra confirmation before running it would be a good feature to add.
[18:35] <IdleOne> doesnt should be proper spelling
[18:36] <hobgoblin> as opposed to duznt
[18:37] <IdleOne> ha
[18:37] <IdleOne> yes
[18:37] <IdleOne> lol
[18:38] <zkriesse> lol
[18:38] <zkriesse> hey IdleOne and hob
[18:38] <zkriesse> hobgoblin:
[18:38] <IdleOne> heya zkriesse
[18:41] <zkriesse> hello the100BiLL
[18:42] <hobgoblin> nhandler IdleOne - just booting xubuntu - what command exactly do you want to see run?
[18:43] <nhandler> hobgoblin: sudo rm -rf /
[18:43] <hobgoblin> k - 2 secs
[18:43] <hobgoblin> or a bit longer for this old thing lol
[18:43] <zkriesse> lol
[18:44] <hobgoblin> nhandler IdleOne  in xubuntu you get rm: cannot remove root directory
[18:45] <hobgoblin> I vaguely remember seeing something you need to add somewhere to allow it
[18:45] <nhandler> hobgoblin: Alright. If that is a backed up VM, could you try doing sudo rm -rf /*
[18:45]  * nhandler thinks that command actually runs
[18:47] <pedro3005> I think you need
[18:47] <pedro3005> sudo rm -rf / --no-preserve-root
[18:47] <hobgoblin> nhandler: it's not backed up - but it's not important - and the output is looooooooooooooooonng
[18:47] <nhandler> hobgoblin: Did it run?
[18:48] <nhandler> pedro3005: To run the first command, probably. I think the second command would run though
[18:48] <IdleOne> For officialness sake and for those who read logs: WARNING Do NOT run the above rm command on your system. The command completely deletes everything in your / partition, in essence it destroys your install.
[18:48] <hobgoblin> hang on I will pastebin an image
[18:48] <hobgoblin> good call IdleOne :)
[18:49] <hobgoblin> nhandler: a whole bunch of http://i.imgur.com/LxxFE.png
[18:49] <zkriesse> For officialness sake and for those who read logs: WARNING Do NOT run the above rm command on your system. The command completely deletes everything in your / partition, in essence it destroys your install.
[18:49] <zkriesse> Figured I'd make it bold for ya IdleOne
[18:50] <hobgoblin> nhandler: something happened - as sudo is borked now
[18:50] <nhandler> zkriesse: It isn't, and the logs won't show it bold either
[18:50] <zkriesse> Oh
[18:50] <zkriesse> Argh
[18:50] <nhandler> hobgoblin: Yeah, the whole system is probably messed up (like I said it would be)
[18:50] <hobgoblin> I only got a warning from the first command - the second just ran
[18:50] <IdleOne> zkriesse: I have my client set to strip bold/color but the extra warning in the logs is always good :)
[18:50] <hobgoblin> nhandler: yea - good job I run it in the vm - that would have been a d'oh moment :D
[18:51] <nhandler> hobgoblin: Alright thanks for your help. I am reviewing a book, and wanted to double check my understanding of that command
[18:51] <IdleOne> one last time.
[18:51] <hobgoblin> I will reinstall and run the no preserve one if you like
[18:52] <IdleOne> For officialness sake and for those who read logs: WARNING Do NOT run the above rm command on your system. The command completely deletes everything in your / partition, in essence it destroys your install.
[18:52] <nhandler> IdleOne: No need. I really just wanted to know that the first command wouldn't run
[18:52] <zkriesse> hello geekerson!
[18:53] <IdleOne> nhandler: I know. I am thinking more about a new user who is reading the log and decides to test it themself
[18:55] <nhandler> IdleOne: That comment was meant to be for hobgoblin ;)
[18:55] <IdleOne> ahh
[18:55] <hobgoblin> aahh :)
[18:55] <hobgoblin> okey doke nhandler
[18:57] <IdleOne> maybe we need to open a #ubuntu-test-commands-at-your-own-risk :P
[18:57] <philinux> LOL
[18:58] <IdleOne> or a #ubuntu-you-must-be-crazy-to-try-this
[18:58] <hobgoblin> someone will still do it and complain
[18:58] <IdleOne> true
[18:58] <zkriesse> +1 hobgoblin
[18:58] <hobgoblin> or we would not need knives cut warnings :)
[18:58] <paultag> IdleOne: hahaha
[18:58] <paultag> IdleOne: I have the perfect command for that channel
[18:59] <IdleOne> paultag: heh
[18:59] <paultag> IdleOne: man hdparm
[18:59] <paultag> IdleOne: /DANGEROUS
[18:59] <paultag> IdleOne: nnnnn....
[19:02] <paultag> IdleOne: that's gotta be the most damaging command ever
[19:02] <IdleOne> it surely looks dangerous
[19:07] <hobgoblin> nhandler: the preserve and no preserve are actually in man rm now
[19:07] <nhandler> hobgoblin: I know :)
[19:07] <hobgoblin> :) - just wanted to see what happened did you
[19:10] <nhandler> hobgoblin: Yep. I like to ensure the suggestions I make to others are in fact accurate
[19:11] <hobgoblin> I should hope so :)
[19:11] <collinp> Accuracy is a good thing.
[19:12] <paultag> ah
[19:12] <paultag> Bah*
[19:12] <paultag> not always :)
[19:12] <hobgoblin> usually collinp - only usually
[19:12] <paultag> you've clearly never played on the CPU level collinp :)
[19:12] <collinp> No.
[19:12] <hobgoblin> or been shot at
[19:12] <collinp> hah
[19:12] <paultag> hobgoblin: or been shot at
[19:12] <collinp> No, I haven't been shot at either.
[19:13] <paultag> collinp: or races
[19:13] <paultag> raced *
[19:13] <paultag> or programmed :P
[19:43] <hobgoblin> duanedesign: and if you by chance happen to exit instead of quit it just sits there
[19:53] <philinux> duanedesign: sudo iwlist needs parameters
[19:54] <philinux> Gotta go
[20:04] <duanedesign> hobgoblin: exit? you mean the close button?
[20:10] <hobgoblin> duanedesign: no - if you happen to exit the thing on autopilot as you would a terminal it just echoes exit and sit's there
[20:14] <duanedesign> aha
[20:15] <duanedesign> hobgoblin: thank you. i will file a bug on that
[20:15] <hobgoblin> :)
[20:15] <hobgoblin> I missed a trick there - I should have filed the bug and then moaned about the dev :D
[20:17] <duanedesign> hobgoblin: and the help button man pages for sudo commands runs 'sudo man iwlist'
[20:17] <hobgoblin> does it?
[20:17] <duanedesign> the help button when highlighting a command with sudo.
[20:18] <hobgoblin> just gets me man sudo |most
[20:18] <duanedesign> ahh, so it..ok
[20:18] <duanedesign> i just saw the bug report :)
[20:20] <hobgoblin> duanedesign: do you get a warning from the help ps command
[20:21] <duanedesign> wow!
[20:21] <duanedesign> i wouldnt of seen that one
[20:21] <duanedesign> :)
[20:22] <hobgoblin> :)
[20:22] <hobgoblin> in fact any of the help for commands where there are more than 1 thing only gets help for the first
[20:23] <duanedesign> hmm,lokks like the help needs help
[20:23] <duanedesign> looks*
[20:25] <hobgoblin> maybe you could remove the first part from the table and prepend sudo when the command runs
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