[00:07] <TheMuso> Anybody else get only a small amount of bugmail in the last 12 hours or so? Or did I really receive no audio bugmail overnight? :)
[01:34] <Sarvatt> TheMuso: i got about 50 or so bug mails from ubuntu-x-swat in the past 12 hours, it does seem quiet :)
[01:35] <micahg> TheMuso: ah, there was some LP read only time today, maybe that affected it
[01:35] <TheMuso> Sarvatt: hrm ok
[01:35] <TheMuso> micahg: Likely yes.
[06:42] <pitti> Good morning
[07:21]  * pitti merges libwmf to get desktop installable again
[07:31] <baptistemm> hi there
[08:09] <and471> mvo, mornin
[08:09] <mvo> hey and471!
[08:10] <and471> mvo, I have fixed the gdebi papercut and it should be ready for merging https://code.launchpad.net/~and471/gdebi/fix-376966
[08:10] <mvo> and471: a quick question  lp:~and471/software-center/login-and-reviews-frontend	 <- should I merge this one ? or merge but exclude the review dialog bits?
[08:10] <mvo> and471: nice, I have a look
[08:10] <and471> mvo, gimme a sec
[08:12] <mvo> and471: gdebi> looks good! many thanks
[08:12] <and471> mvo, the method I use to write the config file is just as dirty as synaptic :D
[08:12] <mvo> and471: yeah, not worse at least ;)
[08:12] <mvo> and471: I have a look at the python-apt one (i.e. if I can add bindings to "Dump")
[08:13] <and471> mvo, ok, it should be easy enough to drop that in
[08:13] <and471> mvo, ok with lp:~and471/software-center/login-and-reviews-frontend
[08:14] <and471> mvo, IIRC the login dialog works and meets the spec
[08:14] <mvo> and471: login-and-review> ok, cool
[08:14] <and471> mvo, the review dialog is not yet finished
[08:14] <and471> however when you click the review button in the appdetailsviewgtk, it calls it up
[08:14] <and471> (the login dialog)
[08:15] <and471> so I suppose you could merge all as the login would appear, but not the review dialog as it is not hooked up to the login dialog yet
[08:15] <mvo> and471: ok, should I just not include those bits in the merge?
[08:15] <mvo> I guess the later
[08:16] <and471> mvo, having the review dialog stuff in there wouldn't impact it, it just wouldn't ever be run
[08:16] <mvo> and471: ok, if it does not break anything that should be fine :)
[08:17] <and471> mvo, hehe don't blame me if it does :D
[08:17] <mvo> lol
[08:30] <mvo> and471: python-apt has a dump() method now, but it will not to nice indention
[08:30] <and471> ah ok :)
[08:31] <and471> mvo, can you drop that in, in the merge?
[08:31] <mvo> sure
[08:47] <didrocks> hey pitti
[08:47] <didrocks> pitti: not only UNR, the desktop failed yesterday too, not matter. I took previous image first :)
[09:12] <pitti> didrocks: I retried the librsvg build and merged libwmf, so it should be better now
[09:12] <pitti> seems every day there's something else which breaks it
[09:14] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, unfortunately :( Well, too late for the unity image, but good for A3 ;) thanks!
[09:15] <pitti> didrocks: you can still use persistency and dist-upgrade
[09:15] <pitti> didrocks: does it work reasonably now?
[09:15] <didrocks> pitti: that's what I've done in fact, taking Monday's image and dist-upgrade
[09:15] <didrocks> it works well, yes :)
[09:19] <and471> see ya
[09:35] <huats> morning
[09:38] <ogra_> pitti, gwibber seems broken too
[09:39] <ogra_>   gwibber: Depends: python-pysqlite2 but it is not installable
[09:39] <ogra_>   gwibber-service: Depends: python-pysqlite2 but it is not installable
[09:39] <pitti> ugh, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/maverick_probs.html is quite horrible
[09:39] <pitti> something for kenvandine to fix, as it seems
[09:40] <pitti> python comes with a current sqlite3 module
[09:40] <ogra_>   * debian/control
[09:40] <ogra_>     - Added a Depends for python-pysqlite2
[09:40] <ogra_> ...
[09:40] <ogra_> from the changelog :)
[09:40] <pitti> kenvandine: ^ don't :)
[09:41] <pitti> import sqlite3 as dbapi2
[09:41] <pitti> is all you should ever need in python
[09:43]  * ogra_ wonders why linux vs linux-meta is out of sync on arm
[09:46] <ogra_> argh !
[09:47] <ogra_> pitti, do you have power to promote a kernel from universe to main ? http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/pool/universe/l/linux/
[09:47] <pitti> sure
[09:47]  * ogra_ doesnt get why that happens from time to time
[09:47] <pitti> NEWing error, I assume
[09:47] <pitti> someone forgot to override it to main
[09:47] <ogra_> every tenth kernel upload or so
[09:48] <ogra_> ah, its all manual ?
[09:48] <ogra_> i thought there were some automatisms in place
[09:48] <pitti> nope
[09:48] <pitti> let me finish my current NBS slaughtery
[09:50] <tkamppeter> I have a question about bug 610982. seb126 marked it "Invalid" without giving a comment. What is wrong with it?
[09:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 610982 in gconf (Ubuntu) "Problems when running gconf-based applications on a remote desktop (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/610982
[09:52] <pitti> no idea
[09:52] <pitti> might have been a glitich
[09:52] <pitti> ogra: moved to main
[09:52] <ogra> thanks a lot
[09:52] <tkamppeter> pitti, so should I simply move it back to "New"?
[09:52] <pitti> tkamppeter: please do
[09:53] <tkamppeter> pitti, or add tasks for Thunderbird and OOo hoping that the maintainers of these apps would put more effort into it?
[09:54] <tkamppeter> pitti, set back to "New".
[09:54] <pitti> tkamppeter: it doesn't look liek a gconf problem, though, much rather a d-bus session bus one
[09:54] <ogra> yeah
[09:54] <tkamppeter> pitti, is seb128 on the GUADEC currently?
[09:54] <ogra> we have that prob in ltsp since years
[09:54] <pitti> tkamppeter: yes
[09:54] <pitti> something needs to launch a session d-bus when you log in remotely
[09:54] <ogra> its the problem that dbus cant connect to your local machine over the network
[09:55] <tkamppeter> pitti, which package should I add then?
[09:55] <ogra> there should be a session dbus but its not connected to the right instance
[09:56] <pitti> tkamppeter: d-bus, but I'm sure there's an existing bug for it already
[09:57] <tkamppeter> pitti, "dbus" added.
[09:59] <tkamppeter> pitti, ogra, the app should connect to the GConf on the remote box, then it would not need to reach over the network. And it should fall back to defaults in case it does not find any GConf (for example if remote box is headless app server).
[10:00] <ogra> connecting to an already running gconfd remotely has likely an xauth problem you need to solve first
[10:01] <ogra> as a workaround you could just add a wrapper script that fires up a gconfd instance and a session dbus inside your ssh session
[10:04] <tkamppeter> ogra, can I somehow reset the XAUth for this connection? Note that it works partially, I can open X applications which do not use GConf.
[10:04] <ogra> i dont know, i havent touched xauth for two years and a lot changed
[10:06] <rickspencer3> RAOF, are you still around at all?
[10:06] <tkamppeter> ogra, thanks for the hints. I typed
[10:06] <tkamppeter> /usr/lib/libgconf2-4/gconfd-2 &
[10:07] <tkamppeter> in my SSH session and afterwards started "ooffice" out of it and it came up without any problems.\
[10:07] <ogra> perfect
[10:08] <tkamppeter> Also the already running thunderbird stopped freezing (so it caught up the gconfd).
[10:08] <ogra> though be careful if you run a session on the machine that has a gconfd running too, they access the same db
[10:08] <ogra> (if its the same user)
[10:09] <tkamppeter> ogra, now the problem is how to get it automatically working, as before Maverick it worked.
[10:10] <tkamppeter> ogra, this will be the subject of the bug now.
[10:10] <ogra> i dont think there is a way apart from a wrapper script
[10:11] <tkamppeter> ogra, did Thunderbird and OOo change so that they require GConf now (and so they worked correctly before Maverick as that time they did not need GConf)?
[10:11] <ogra> i think they did require gconf before
[10:13] <tkamppeter> ogra, but why did they work then before?
[10:13] <ogra> heh, i dont know :)
[10:13] <ogra> surely something has changed if it worked before
[10:14] <ogra> but i wouldnt think the apps did in that respect
[10:14] <ogra> gconf, dbus or xauth defaults changed i guess
[10:17] <tkamppeter> ogra, which package provides the xauth defaults?
[10:17] <ogra> i think thats xauth
[10:18] <tkamppeter> ogra, added it
[10:42] <RAOF> rickspencer3: Yeah, ish
[10:43] <tkamppeter> ogra, thanks, I have added your suggestion to the bug report.
[10:43] <rickspencer3> RAOF, nm
[10:44] <rickspencer3> I was interested in working on my web cam widget
[10:44] <rickspencer3> but it can wait until you're properly at work
[10:44] <RAOF> Ah, ok.
[10:44] <RAOF> I should point you at the gstreamer bug report about that, at least.  There's useful info there.
[10:46] <rickspencer3> thanks RAOF
[10:48] <RAOF> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=599885 is the relevant bug, which suggests calling gdk_window_ensure_native in the realized callback for your window.
[10:48] <ubot2> Gnome bug 599885 in gst-plugins-gl "[gtk examples] unstable behaviour with recent gtk (post csw merge)" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[10:51]  * RAOF returns to his regularly scheduled thoughless daze.
[11:35] <seb128> hey
[11:35] <seb128> pitti, could you review the gnome-keyring sru I uploaded?
[11:35] <seb128> it should fix gnome-keyring breaking in some locales when running a python-gnomekeyring software
[11:37] <lool> Hmm I get:
[11:37] <lool> [540752.124868] type=1400 audit(1280398892.803:86):  operation="file_mmap" pid=32403 parent=1 profile="/usr/bin/evince" name="/usr/lib/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders/svg_loader.so" pid=32403 comm="evince" requested_mask="m" denied_mask="m" fsuid=1000 ouid=0
[11:37] <lool> and some icons are broken
[11:38] <lool> This looks like our apparmor profiles need an update
[11:39] <lool> /etc/apparmor.d/abstractions/evince mentions /usr/share, but not /usr/lib
[11:39] <seb128> hum, feel free to do the changes, not sure we will manage to do it from GUADEC
[11:40] <lool> I looked, it seemed I would be able to do them but I don't trust myself to touch the apparmor profile
[11:40] <seb128> can you cc jdstrand on the bug?
[11:41] <seb128> he usually do those tweaks
[11:41] <lool> Yup, saw him in the changelog
[11:46] <pitti> seb128: we have an SRU freeze until after 10.04.1, unless it's a really urgent one
[11:47] <seb128> pitti, it's breaking ubuntuone login on locales with non ascii chars in "default"
[11:47] <seb128> ie french
[11:48] <seb128> ie if that's the first keyring client you run the default keyring creation break and ubuntuone client crashes
[11:48] <lool> LP #611248
[11:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 611248 in evince (Ubuntu) "Broken icons in top bar (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/611248
[11:48] <seb128> we got bad press due that issue
[11:50] <seb128> lunch time, got to go
[11:50] <seb128> bbl
[11:59] <didrocks> pitti: seb128 will read the backlog on my computer
[11:59] <pitti> ah
[11:59] <pitti> didrocks: well, as I said, we are currently SRU-frozen
[11:59] <asac> hmm. latest gtk blasts my console with this:
[11:59] <asac> (meloc:17190): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Cannot open pixbuf loader module file '/usr/lib/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache': No such file or directory
[12:00] <asac> is that a known bug or did i hack a bug in my app ;)?
[12:00]  * asac wonders if last upgrade maybe failed in the middle and checks
[12:01] <didrocks> asac: seb128 says it's likely due to the gdkpixbuf split
[12:01] <asac> great
[12:01] <pitti> there was some churn this morning about that indeed
[12:02] <asac> not so great i mean
[12:02] <asac> seems that the pixbuf rendering is completely broken now (e.g. my gps map doesnt paint at all anymore ;))
[12:02]  * asac goes and checks if a fix is already building
[12:03] <asac> ah ... depenency problems prevented gtk stuff to configure
[12:03] <asac> lets see if install -f cures it
[13:00] <pitti> didrocks/seb128: do you think this can be tested very fast? we are still waiting on a new mysql, which will hopefully land today
[13:16] <kenvandine> pitti, oh... doh!
[13:16]  * kenvandine fixes
[13:20] <pitti> hey kenvandine, good morning
[13:20] <pitti> kenvandine: thanks
[13:36] <pitti> kenvandine: oh, so it already used the sqlite3 module? that was easy then :)
[13:36] <kenvandine> pitti, yeah... my mistake :)
[14:00] <seb128> hey
[14:00] <seb128> pitti, yes, it's easy to test
[14:00] <seb128> pitti, just start a guest session in french and run a pythong-gnomekeyring software
[14:01] <seb128> asac, did you fix your pixbuf issue?
[14:01] <pitti> seb128: ok, looking
[14:01] <pitti> seb128: so, no gnome 3.0 this time after all, eh?
[14:01] <asac> seb128: i need to force upgrade
[14:01] <asac> seb128: and then rebuild my project
[14:01] <asac> (reconfigure + make)
[14:01] <asac> i dont think thats the goal ;)
[14:01] <asac> ... but yes, i am not blocked
[14:01] <seb128> asac, why force upgrade? what conflicts do you get?
[14:02] <seb128> pitti, you can run /usr/share/doc/python-gnomekeyring/examples/keyring.py
[14:02] <seb128> to test
[14:02] <asac> seb128: i dont know anymore... my upgrade apparently aborted and dist-upgrade lead to this afterwards:
[14:02] <asac> You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these.
[14:02] <asac> The following packages have unmet dependencies: libgtk2.0-dev: Depends: libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev (>= 2.21.0) but it is not installed librsvg2-dev: Depends: libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev (>= 2.21.6) but it is not installed
[14:02] <asac> E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.
[14:02] <asac> -f fixed that
[14:03] <seb128> did you have any file conflict in the log before?
[14:04] <asac> seb128: http://paste.ubuntu.com/470693/
[14:04] <asac> that caused:
[14:05] <asac> (gtk-update-icon-cache:16320): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Cannot open pixbuf loader module file '/usr/lib/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache': No such file or directory
[14:05] <asac> Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev_2.21.6-2ubuntu1_i386.deb
[14:05] <asac> Log ended: 2010-07-29  12:35:29
[14:05] <asac> which made this configuring fail
[14:05] <seb128> hum, k, weird
[14:09] <asac> seb128: do you need more info?
[14:09] <asac> i think its a migratio nissue ... maybe you moved something that is missing during configure?
[14:09] <seb128> asac, robert_ancell did the update and we are at GUADEC this week
[14:09] <asac> also the fact that my app previosly built against the old gtk failed then doesnt feel right
[14:09] <seb128> asac, I will ping you next week if I need infos
[14:09] <asac> e.g. why do i need to reconfigure/rebuild.
[14:09] <seb128> well upgrade worked fine there
[14:10] <seb128> you should not need to, there is a trigger which should update that cache
[14:10] <asac> ok. i think it was not "running", but just building
[14:10] <asac> so thats fine i guess
[14:10] <seb128> I'm wondering if that's another case of "the directory the triggers watch was not there before upgrade so the trigger doesn't work"
[14:10] <asac> e.g. reconfigure was needed to find the right files during build etc.
[14:22] <micahg> seb128: good call on GNOME 3:)
[14:22] <seb128> ;-)
[14:57] <seb128> re
[14:57] <seb128> mvo, hey
[14:57] <seb128> asac, is your upgrade log somewhere online?
[14:57] <seb128> asac, /var/lib/dpkg/info/libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0.postinst does create this cache
[14:58] <seb128> I'm not sure how that broke
[14:58] <mvo> hey seb128
[14:58] <seb128> mvo, how are you today?
[15:01] <mvo> seb128: good, thanks. better than yesterday :)
[15:01] <mvo> seb128: how are you? how is guadec?
[15:03] <seb128> mvo, got a cold
[15:03] <seb128> other I'm fine
[15:03] <seb128> GUADEC is nice
[15:03] <seb128> nice to talk to people there
[15:04] <seb128> the presentations are not so interesting though
[15:05] <mvo> seb128: hope you get well soon
[15:06] <mvo> seb128: I can imagine its great to talk to all the people face-to-faceagain :)
[15:08] <seb128> yeah
[15:09] <cassidy> seb128, that's because you didn't saw my presentation yet :p
[15:10] <seb128> cassidy, I guess ;-)
[15:10] <seb128> asac, do you use the ubuntu-desktop ppa?
[15:19] <asac> seb128: i hope not
[15:19] <seb128> asac, ok, can you put your upgrade log online?
[16:08] <and471> mvo, thanks for the merge
[16:08] <mvo> and471: hi! cheers, not in trunk yet, but not much missing :)
[16:08] <and471> mvo, thats fine :)
[16:09] <mvo> and471: the state transitions seems to be not fully caputred yet, but I got distracted by other work
[16:09] <mvo> it looks very nice
[16:09] <and471> mvo, are we talking about gdebi or SC?
[16:11] <and471> mvo, just got your email, I was thanking for the merge of gdebi :)
[16:11] <and471> mvo, yeah the login stuff is not fully completed yet, hopefully I should be able to do some more work on it
[16:11] <mvo> and471: oh, gdebi - yeah, thanks for this too :)
[16:12] <and471> mvo, so gdebi is in trunk, but not SC?
[16:12] <mvo> and471: yeah, see mail. sc has some small issues, probably just a matter of ~30min of debugging and tweaking
[16:13] <and471> mvo, yeah, the SC thing is fine, I stopped work on it a while back so I could not really remember whether it was fully implemented
[16:14] <mvo> ok
[17:28] <and471> mvo, you have any experience with gstreamer?
[17:28] <and471> jono, or could you help out? http://pastebin.ca/1911073
[17:29] <and471> this doesn't seem to work, and yet the cli pipeline works fine
[17:32] <jono> and471, what are you doing? recording video and audio?
[17:32] <and471> jono, yup
[17:32] <jono> and471, I recommend you ask in #gstreamer - I haven't hacked with gst for quite a while
[17:32] <and471> jono, ok, I asked in there but maybe I should wait a bit longer
[17:34] <jono> and471, :)
[21:50] <Jefro> hi folks - anyone going to LinuxCon with Ubuntu 10.04 CDs?  I'm giving a desktop linux presentation and would love to have a few CDs from each distro on the table.
[21:57] <tatertot> I was wondering if anyone has any relevant information on what career is looking more promising.  I am trying to decide between Network Admin. and Database Admin.  I need to lock it down before I start selecting classes for Summer semester.  Any advice?
[21:59] <desrt> free software hacker is looking pretty good
[21:59] <desrt> i recommend that one :)