| amitk | morning | 07:46 |
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| lag | Morning | 07:47 |
| abogani | Morning | 07:50 |
| cooloney | morning, eu | 08:10 |
| apw | moin | 08:37 |
| jk- | hey apw | 08:45 |
| apw | hi | 08:45 |
| ericm_ | apw, cking, is smb on vacation this week? | 08:59 |
| jk- | all of the UK is taking a swap day tomorrow | 09:00 |
| trapmax | i'm trying to create an lvm-snapshot. my machine just hungs there. here's the kern.log http://pastebin.com/KUzVGZSQ | 09:01 |
| ericm_ | jk-, ok | 09:02 |
| ericm_ | apw, so I have to bug you again | 09:02 |
| apw | ericm_, smb is in today | 09:02 |
| ericm_ | after mvl-dove branch is rebased, all the tags could possibly be inconsistent with the current history right? | 09:03 |
| * smb is there | 09:03 | |
| apw | ericm_, the tags are correct in that the point to the tree at the time the release was made | 09:03 |
| ericm_ | morning smb | 09:03 |
| apw | the release commits in the latest copy of the tree do not correspond to the tags ... but the tags are right | 09:03 |
| ericm_ | apw, yeah - but now the rebased commit isn't | 09:04 |
| ericm_ | I mean the equivalent one, you know what I mean | 09:04 |
| apw | right ... that is correct, but only the tag matters | 09:04 |
| ericm_ | apw, ok I see | 09:04 |
| smb | The tags should still be there but point to something not linearly connectect to the releas | 09:04 |
| apw | you don't use the release commit to find the tree for the release, you use the tag, that is what the release was really made from | 09:05 |
| ericm_ | smb, apw, OK I see | 09:05 |
| ericm_ | smb, one other thing - why don't we just put maint-startnewrelease to replace the fdr startnewrelease? | 09:07 |
| smb | ericm_, Mostly because I just recently wrote it | 09:07 |
| ericm_ | smb, mostly I much enjoyed using that script :-) | 09:08 |
| smb | ericm_, Another thing that is a bit of a problem it that those scripts use other libraries in the kteam-tools domain | 09:08 |
| smb | ericm_, Thanks, I enjoy those too. Take some of the manual labour away | 09:09 |
| ericm_ | smb, ok - I copied the lib directly to my /usr/lib/python, though not sure if that's the right way | 09:10 |
| ericm_ | smb, maybe for the scripts in kernel package, we could just hardcode those libs into the scripts, but that creates maintenance problems :-/ | 09:11 |
| smb | ericm_, From my intention you would just add the kteam-tools/maintsacripts to your PATH and all should work | 09:11 |
| smb | All scripts look for libraries relative to their own path in kteam-tools/lib | 09:12 |
| ericm_ | Grr.... I copied those to ~/bin, ugly hacks | 09:12 |
| smb | Hmm, seems its only me that thinks adding a path is much simpler. :-P | 09:13 |
| * apw notes he mentioned that smb adds that dir to their path ... | 09:14 | |
| smb | apw, That dir? Which one | 09:14 |
| apw | kteam-tools/maint-scripts | 09:15 |
| apw | the one you said just now, i mentioned it yesterday when i mentioned the scirpts for doing start new release, which is how he knows about it! | 09:15 |
| smb | Ah, ok. Understand now | 09:15 |
| apw | smb, that the scripts don't cope correctly still if you run them directly ... is still annoying, and something i mean to fix | 09:15 |
| smb | apw Hm, well should be a relative simple fix | 09:16 |
| apw | yep, should be, just not obthered to look yet | 09:16 |
| smb | apw, Just that I never saw that much need as I got it in my path | 09:16 |
| apw | its a proformer fragment of code needed to do it | 09:17 |
| smb | Because I am lazy and don't want to type the complete path all the time | 09:17 |
| smb | apw, The problem likely is this needs to go into all scripts looking for a lib | 09:17 |
| apw | and everything looking for a binary too | 09:18 |
| smb | Huh? | 09:18 |
| apw | other binaries called from the binaries (or scripts) needs it too, so i don't have to add the path | 09:18 |
| smb | Well, thats what PATH is for | 09:19 |
| apw | but for a small code change it can work both ways and ~/git/kteam-tools/maint-foo/maint-bar | 09:19 |
| smb | I find it somewhat strange to expect a script or binary will find anything somewhere | 09:19 |
| apw | will work as expected instread of exploding randomly for some commands | 09:19 |
| apw | plus actually just using path is dangerous as i could have two versions installed | 09:20 |
| apw | and get the libraries or binaries from the other one | 09:20 |
| apw | the tools come as a kit, and should ensure they use the ones from the kit | 09:20 |
| apw | i am not asking you to do the work, i'll get to it when it next annoys me | 09:21 |
| smb | apw, Somehow you sound like asking for bulletproof shoes while waving around your gun :-P | 09:21 |
| apw | smb, its a personal way of working that i use commonly with other applications is all | 09:22 |
| apw | and its odd that that one does not follow the same rule | 09:22 |
| apw | i tend to not have random scripts on my path that have low utility, by which i mean i use them seldom | 09:22 |
| smb | As odd as it is to me that you don't work like me. | 09:22 |
| smb | But ok | 09:22 |
| apw | especially ones which mess arround with the current directory state | 09:22 |
| apw | as there is inhearnt risk of running the wrong thing and shitting all over what you are doing | 09:23 |
| apw | so if i am doing a review i can see adding that dir to the path for that session and using lots of scripts for a bit there | 09:23 |
| apw | but normally to just get one function out of it, i'll just pick it by absolute path | 09:23 |
| smb | I can try to put in a more robust lookup and you can do the others | 09:23 |
| apw | as i say, don't feel you need to do anything | 09:24 |
| apw | i have lots of experience of doing this mod, as i have it in everything i write for the same reason :) | 09:24 |
| smb | I would do it just once in one script to have a reference for it. Also in case I do more scripts | 09:25 |
| apw | watch out for the path case, ie there are three cases ./xxx ~/foo/xxx and xxx via path, they all present differenet via $0 | 09:26 |
| apw | in my scripts i typically have a $here which is instantiated from $0 and basically allow me to find everything else .... include $here/../lib/foo $here/oother-binary | 09:27 |
| smb | I believe there is an abspath which returns the complete path, which I can use instead of getcwd alone | 09:27 |
| apw | yeah there may even be a python lib fn for finding 'here' | 09:27 |
| apw | here=`dirname $0` | 09:28 |
| apw | case "$here" in | 09:28 |
| apw | *) here="`pwd`/$here" ;; | 09:28 |
| apw | esac | 09:28 |
| apw | is what i do in shell | 09:28 |
| smb | here = os.path.abspath(os.getcwd()) | 09:28 |
| smb | I think | 09:28 |
| apw | no that is 'here' of the user, not the here of the program | 09:29 |
| apw | ok a line is missing from that fragment ... cause it starts with a / | 09:29 |
| apw | damn irc client | 09:29 |
| smb | right, replace that the path of the program | 09:29 |
| apw | here=`dirname $0` | 09:29 |
| apw | case "$here" in | 09:29 |
| apw | /*) ;; | 09:29 |
| apw | *) here="`pwd`/$here" ;; | 09:29 |
| apw | esac | 09:29 |
| apw | the problem is that $0 is not always fully qualified | 09:30 |
| apw | it is generally what the user typed, which can be relative | 09:30 |
| apw | so you have to be sneaky | 09:30 |
| smb | Hm, so does maint-getabis currently fail for you that way. It seems at least for the libpath I already use abspath | 09:31 |
| ericm_ | smb, hrm... maint-getabis doesn't work with version number like: EE: Ubuntu-2.6.32-206.19foo1 does not seem to be a valid name | 09:37 |
| ericm_ | it's in maint-getabis | 09:37 |
| smb | ericm_, Did you tag it like that? | 09:37 |
| ericm_ | smb, oh no - let me tag it again | 09:37 |
| ericm_ | smb, now it works | 09:38 |
| ericm_ | smb, hrmm... downloading abi failed | 09:39 |
| ericm_ | smb, it's an OEM kernel, so the kernel image package isn't on the server | 09:39 |
| smb | Well the script is geared towards official releases. So it looks on official host archives only | 09:39 |
| ericm_ | smb, yeah - that makes sense - but is it possible to provide kernel package manually? | 09:40 |
| ericm_ | smb, I'm thinking of maintaining the OEM kernel tree as our official ones with same branch management | 09:40 |
| smb | ericm_, Not yet. You could add that to a wish list. | 09:40 |
| smb | ericm_, Though I probably would make it an additional 'location' to look for packages | 09:41 |
| ericm_ | smb, yeah that's a good idea | 09:41 |
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| cooloney | apw: just saw your patch about readahead, will this one be summitted to upstream? | 09:55 |
| apw | cooloney, likely yes, whether they will take it is another question as it uses a page bit, and they are very scarese | 09:57 |
| smb | apw, So maint-getabis seems to work for me without having the path set. So it seems lib lookup is ok. when calling other scripts it seems to require a little more. I changed maint-startnewrelease accordingly. Maybe there is a simpler way by adding it to the right path within python but this seems to work for me. | 09:58 |
| apw | smb ta, will try it out | 09:59 |
| cooloney | apw: understood | 09:59 |
| cooloney | apw: ureadahead needs this patch, i guess. | 10:00 |
| apw | ureadahead2 needs it yes | 10:00 |
| ikepanhc | when sprint, Tim said when UDS, we make agreements, its means "Each team makes agreements for next release" or "Kernel team makes agreements to other team"? | 10:05 |
| apw | each team agrees with the other teams what it will deliver for the release | 10:06 |
| apw | so both i think | 10:06 |
| ikepanhc | apw: thanks | 10:06 |
| * ikepanhc hates writing slide :( | 10:06 | |
| jk- | ike: if you like, I'm happy to read & review | 10:23 |
| ikepanhc | jk-: sure, but please wait me finish :) | 10:27 |
| jk- | ikepanhc: of course :) | 10:27 |
| ericm_ | smb, in maint-getabis:DownloadPackage(), it looks like if I download the .deb package manually, it won't bother to download | 10:49 |
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| ericm|ubuntu | smb, yet the problem is where, I downloaded the package in the current ubuntu-lucid/ directory, but doesn't seem to be recognized as already existing | 10:50 |
| smb | ericm|ubuntu, Might work, though you would have to do it either on the remote host or say --local | 10:51 |
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| ericm|ubuntu | smb, but maint-startnewrelease doesn't accept --local | 10:52 |
| smb | Hm, I should add that as passthrough then | 10:53 |
| diwic | what (Maverick) kernel repo/ppa should I enable if I want to help out with testing? | 10:56 |
| apw | ~kernel-ppa/pre-proposed | 11:00 |
| diwic | whoa! That was an interesting resume effect | 11:02 |
| apw | heh what did you see ? | 11:03 |
| diwic | My (other) laptop makes screen effects that reminds me of the demo scene in the 90's | 11:03 |
| * apw is intregeded, but has no idea what that might look like | 11:04 | |
| diwic | It purely hang under Lucid, so this is maverick. Every other scanline is black, and the others are fading between white and blue-black | 11:05 |
| diwic | hmm...seem to have settled as being grey + black now | 11:06 |
| diwic | a few blue pixels in the top and bottom though | 11:06 |
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| marco74 | hello anybody here in this room | 11:17 |
| marco74 | I have a problem concerning the ubuntu-kernel of Lucid | 11:17 |
| marco74 | can anybody help me? | 11:17 |
| apw | wtf why to people just appear ask and go without waiting? | 11:34 |
| apw | diwic, sounds mad enugh | 11:35 |
| apw | oh _and_ logoff irc completely ... | 11:36 |
| apw | cking, hey | 11:36 |
| === apw changed the topic of #ubuntu-kernel to: Home: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/ || Maverick Kernel Version: 2.6.35 || Ubuntu Kernel Team Meeting - August-03 - 17:00 UTC || If you have a question just ask, and do wait around for an answer! | ||
| cking | apw, what? | 11:44 |
| apw | cking, was trying to work out if you could hear me on mbl | 11:45 |
| apw | as you clearly wern't there ... | 11:45 |
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| diwic | apw, you have a movie in bug #611254 | 12:41 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 611254 in linux (Ubuntu) "Resume hangs and shows funny patterns on screen (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/611254 | 12:41 |
| apw | diwic, what do you use to play it? totem just ignores it | 12:48 |
| diwic | apw, it works in VLC. It's straight from the phone | 12:49 |
| apw | diwic, so it does, cute effect | 12:50 |
| diwic | apw, I'll just wait for our suspend/resume guy (still haven't learned all names and who does what) to take care of it :-) | 12:55 |
| apw | cking, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/52687216/MOV00503.MP4 | 12:55 |
| apw | diwic, i wonder if thats just the video ram decaying cause its not being refreshed cause we are crashed | 13:10 |
| Sarvatt | diwic: does booting with vesafb=fubar fix it? :) | 13:10 |
| apw | literally =fubar ? | 13:11 |
| Sarvatt | invalid parameter so it wont load | 13:11 |
| apw | Sarvatt, do we have any idea why vesafb is relevant ? | 13:12 |
| diwic | If that matters, it's Via/OpenChrome | 13:13 |
| Sarvatt | i'm just curious because i've seen similar caused by vga16fb. I saw it was openchrome, I'm sorry diwic :) | 13:14 |
| apw | framebuffer handling is mostly broken .. i am working on what is becoming a major patch for it now | 13:15 |
| diwic | Sarvatt, I tried it and as we already suspected, it didn't work, i e no difference | 13:17 |
| diwic | apw, video ram decaying was the best theory out of 1 theories so far | 13:18 |
| * apw likes those odds | 13:33 | |
| * apw bets his theory is the closest to the truth | 13:33 | |
| apw | smb, these new ext4 patches are they the ones we already have or new ones? | 13:45 |
| apw | (the ones in the stable queue for .32) | 13:45 |
| smb | apw, May or may not. I have not done a comparison yet to find out whether the sets are 1:1 | 13:45 |
| apw | there seems to be 52 of them | 13:46 |
| smb | that sounds not too bad | 13:46 |
| apw | 142 in total on the queue, 52 ext4 | 13:46 |
| smb | Let me run over them with a script to be sure its all we had | 13:46 |
| diwic | should I put something into a git kernel commit to make it automatically close a LP bug? | 13:50 |
| apw | diwic, yep, a BugLink: link | 13:51 |
| * smb is too slow | 13:51 | |
| apw | BugLink: http://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/581525 | 13:51 |
| ubot2 | Ubuntu bug 581525 in linux-meta (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Lucid: system becomes unstable randomly, seems related with apparmor (affects: 5) (heat: 32)" [Undecided,In progress] | 13:51 |
| manjo | apw, how does that automatically close an LP bug ? | 13:52 |
| diwic | apw, thanks | 13:52 |
| apw | insert changes copied them over to LP: #nnnnn in the debian changelog | 13:52 |
| apw | and things so marked in there are closed by the janitor when the package is published | 13:52 |
| apw | manjo, ^^ | 13:53 |
| manjo | did now know that ... thanks | 13:53 |
| apw | t'is why they are important to have in the bugs | 13:53 |
| apw | the - LP: bits of the debian changelog are made from them | 13:53 |
| manjo | apw, I always added them not knowing their side effects | 13:54 |
| apw | * SAUCE: Yama: search for PTRACE exceptions via thread group leader | 13:54 |
| apw | - LP: #603716 | 13:54 |
| apw | like that ... and that is grepped out by the janitor | 13:54 |
| soren | manjo: Technically, it's dpkg-genchanges that does it. It spots the stuff in debian/changelog and adds a line to the _source.changes file (X-Launchpad-Bugs-Fixed, IIRC), which in turn is handled by Launchpad. | 13:56 |
| apw | soren, heh even more complex | 13:56 |
| soren | Well, the magic has to happen somewhere :) | 13:57 |
| * manjo is feeling dizzy | 13:57 | |
| soren | This way, if the distro team feels like changing preferred format for it in the debian changelog, it doesn't require changes in Launchpad. | 13:57 |
| apw | /home/apw/upload/arm/linux-fsl-imx51_2.6.31-104.12_source.changes:Launchpad-Bugs-Fixed: 310760 410933 410933 416325 416325 427948 430694 430694 430694 430809 430809 433904 435958 438687 445580 446595 | 13:58 |
| apw | and there it is lurking in the changes file | 13:58 |
| soren | Ok, so no "X-" prefix. My bad :) | 13:59 |
| manjo | so if a patch fixes multiple bugs we need to have multiple Buglink: ... in the commit comments ? | 13:59 |
| apw | yeah such inaccuracy you should be fired | 13:59 |
| apw | manjo, yes | 13:59 |
| soren | apw: You can't fire people who've already left. :) | 13:59 |
| apw | and they end up as - LP: #xxx, #yyy | 13:59 |
| apw | and so on | 13:59 |
| apw | soren, i didn't say who should fire you did i ? :) | 14:00 |
| soren | apw: point :) | 14:00 |
| manjo | cease fire | 14:00 |
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| ericm | smb, when you rebase mvl-dove branch against master, what is the command you use, 'git rebase Ubuntu-2.6.xx-xx.xx' or 'git rebase --onto Ubuntu-2.6.xx-xx.xx <some start point> mvl-dove' | 14:02 |
| smb | ericm, The second form | 14:02 |
| ericm | smb, as I expected, ok | 14:03 |
| smb | ericm, Though I started to run it as a script: maint-rebase-branch | 14:03 |
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| smb | ericm, This would end on a branch named auto-tmp-rebase which one can check and then reset the target branch to that | 14:05 |
| ericm | smb, ah - script again, thanks - I love your scripts :-) | 14:05 |
| smb | ericm, Thanks :) These are quite ego-centric for the moment, so feel free to let me know anything that can be improved. | 14:07 |
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| * manjo going down for reboot | 15:32 | |
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| manjo | I will be offline for a few mts my electric company is cutting my power to replace the meter | 17:05 |
| apw | yeah right :) | 17:12 |
| apw | you will be gone for HOURS :) | 17:12 |
| cking | days even | 17:33 |
| * cking hopes manjo has a lot of batteries | 17:34 | |
| jjohansen | ogasawara: I'm going to have another AA sync request for tonight / friday morning. Its not that different from what we have but brings it up to match with the latest updates. | 18:07 |
| ogasawara | jjohansen: cool, I'll wait for it then | 18:07 |
| jjohansen | ogasawara: well no real need to wait, I can push it when you want. Just the longer I wait the more likely it will match whats hopefully going upstream | 18:08 |
| jjohansen | its done now, just waiting on feedback | 18:09 |
| ogasawara | jjohansen: maybe just wait and see if you get any feedback by tomorrow. I'd like to be as close to what's upstream as possible. | 18:09 |
| ogasawara | jjohansen: I'm gonna hold off the upload as long as I can anyways as I'm hoping 2.6.35 final might land | 18:09 |
| jjohansen | ogasawara: also I have a pv-ops request coming too, no nasty xen branch :) | 18:10 |
| ogasawara | jjohansen: sweet | 18:10 |
| apw | jjohansen, that sounds good | 18:15 |
| apw | ogasawara, i shot you a summary email on all the patches i've puked out today | 18:15 |
| * apw is wandering off for some beer shortly, i'll try and check my email tonight in case you have any issues | 18:16 | |
| ogasawara | apw: yep, saw it. Just getting through the last set. looking okay so far. I'm gonna fire up some tests across some of my systems before I push. | 18:17 |
| apw | sounds good. doesn't solve the fact that plymout | 18:17 |
| apw | plymouth fires up too soon on a lot of drm h/w. but at least it not longer blows the kernel up (for me at least) | 18:17 |
| * manjo getting lunch will be back soon | 18:33 | |
| * vanhoof just loves updating wikis :) | 18:43 | |
| cking | vanhoof, watch out - you may become a wiki gardener soon | 19:00 |
| jjohansen | cking: beat me too it | 19:00 |
| vanhoof | lol | 19:06 |
| * vanhoof *hides* | 19:06 | |
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| jjohansen | -> lunch | 20:09 |
| bjf | jjohansen, i added you as UDS-N roomie :-) | 20:19 |
| jjohansen | bjf: wow you are on top of things :) | 20:42 |
| * ogasawara lunch | 20:43 | |
| * manjo going to post office ... brb 30mts | 21:34 | |
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| bjf | ogasawara, hope you don't mind if i poke at qa about testing proposed :-) | 22:19 |
| ogasawara | bjf: don't mind at all, was actually hoping others would chime in :) | 22:19 |
| ogasawara | bjf: I was thinking the exact same questions you posted. | 22:19 |
| jjohansen | bjf: have fun tilting at windmills | 22:20 |
| ogasawara | heh | 22:20 |
| bjf | jjohansen, i'm willing to have a go at this one for a bit, it's been years since I sent some really flaming email | 22:21 |
| jjohansen | :) | 22:21 |
| ogasawara | bjf: after the chat with them at the rally I thought we'd figured out the preseed bit, and modification of the dist.info file to search for results of testing from -proposed, and tweaking their prober or whatever to detect new packages in -proposed | 22:22 |
| ogasawara | bjf: I swear ronald even sent an email about it | 22:23 |
| bjf | ogasawara, yes i had the same thoughts as well, I guess we were mistaken | 22:23 |
| komputes | ogasawara: hi there! :) | 22:49 |
| * komputes hands ogasawara a present - https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/611474 | 22:49 | |
| ubot2 | Ubuntu bug 611474 in linux (Ubuntu) "boot failure SAS hard drives controller (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] | 22:49 |
| apw | ogasawara, yo ... checking in ... all good? any problems? | 22:50 |
| ogasawara | apw: all good | 22:52 |
| ogasawara | apw: just have one more system I want to install and test on | 22:52 |
| ogasawara | cool, the touchscreen on the hp-mini is working again | 22:56 |
| apw | ogasawara, awsome :) ... night | 23:30 |
| daishadar | can someone give me a general idea of what will probably stop working if i install a mainline kernel? what are ubuntu specific patches and drivers for? | 23:58 |
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