[00:16] <MagicFab> These are good news: http://en.community.dell.com/dell-blogs/enterprise/b/tech-center/archive/2010/07/27/dell-openmanage-6-3-for-ubuntu.aspx
[00:37] <arrrghhh> anyone use rtorrent here?  i'm having issues with the watch directory feature & pausing/temporarily stopping torrents...
[00:45] <smoser> mathiaz, actually most of that is in uec-run-instances, which SpamapS worked on recently. it definitely needs some work, but it is there.
[00:45] <smoser> its also, i tihnk, sort of part of mr.awsome
[00:52] <raubvogel> Trying to learn how to create a private package repository: which directories does reprepro needs and what do they do (my google-fu has only found how-tos, but not whys)
[01:15] <arrrghhh> *cough*
[02:02] <RoAkSoAx> exit
[02:10] <zul> im broken?
[02:45] <jeeves_Moss> how can I force a 6.4LTS server to do a dist upgrade?  I've tried "apt-get dist-update" and it claims there is no updates
[02:46] <arrrghhh> 6.04 isn't supported is it?
[02:46] <arrrghhh> do-release-upgrade
[02:47] <jeeves_Moss> arrrghhh, I had to install 6.04 in order to get these IBM x335 boxes to play nice with Ubuntu
[02:48] <arrrghhh> are you sure it's a good idea to upgrade them then?  lol
[02:48] <jeeves_Moss> arrrghhh, they're fresh installs, so if it tanks, I'll just reinstall
[02:48] <arrrghhh> there's emergency broacast boxes that run redhat distro's from 1996 becuase it works.
[02:48] <jeeves_Moss> arrrghhh, what's the syntax I need?
[02:48] <arrrghhh> if it works, it works.
[02:48] <arrrghhh> "sudo do-release-upgrade" what do you mean?
[02:49] <jeeves_Moss> arrrghhh, that's what I needed to know.  I was trying "sudo apt-get do-release-upgrade" and it wasn't working.  LOL
[02:49] <arrrghhh> oh... crap.  sorry haha.
[02:49] <jeeves_Moss> arrrghhh, your syntax didn't work.  it just line feeds
[02:49] <arrrghhh> hrm...
[02:49] <arrrghhh> maybe that was an advent with 8.04
[02:50] <jeeves_Moss> other ideas?
[02:50] <arrrghhh> aptitude?
[02:50] <arrrghhh> aptitude safe-upgrade i think
[02:51] <jeeves_Moss> nana
[02:51] <jeeves_Moss> *nada
[02:51] <arrrghhh> http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/upgrade
[02:52] <arrrghhh> go to the "network upgrade for ubuntu servers" section
[02:52] <jeeves_Moss> arrrghhh, that's desktop
[02:52] <arrrghhh> c'mon now!
[02:52] <arrrghhh> i know it says 8.04 -> 10.04
[02:52] <jeeves_Moss> yep
[02:52] <arrrghhh> but do it
[02:52] <arrrghhh> apt-get install update-manager-core
[02:53] <arrrghhh> edit /ect/update-manager/release-upgrades and set prompt=lts
[02:53] <arrrghhh> or to =normal, whatever
[02:53] <arrrghhh> and sudo do-release-upgrade --devel-release
[02:53] <jeeves_Moss> sudo apt-get install update-manager-core
[02:53] <jeeves_Moss> sudo do-release-upgrade
[02:54] <arrrghhh> i was going to keep you in LTS trains
[02:54] <arrrghhh> but whatever mang
[02:54] <arrrghhh> it's all there in that doc!
[02:54] <jeeves_Moss> thanks
[02:57] <jeeves_Moss> ...and off to hardy we go
[02:57] <arrrghhh> have fun
[03:42] <lfaraone> If you don't have plymouth installed, does "splash" in the kernel parameter do antyhing?
[04:52] <imyousuf> Hi
[04:53] <imyousuf> I am facing some problem regarding discovering nodes in eucalyptus http://paste.ubuntu.com/470196/
[04:53] <imyousuf> When it is discovering a node it is identifying with its inet6 address and not the inet4 address
[04:54] <imyousuf> can someone please help resolve this issue
[05:17] <Adman65> i am using the ec2 image, i added a new user via adduser, except I can't connect as that user using its password. Do I have to pass in a pem file when I ssh ?
[05:51] <SpamapS> Adman65: its likely that password auth is just turned off for the EC2 images.
[05:59] <smoser> Daviey, awake ?
[06:00] <smoser> Adman65, password auth in ssh is disabled in ec2 images.
[06:00] <smoser> to "fix":
[06:01] <smoser> sed -i "s/#PasswordAuthentication/PasswordAuthentication/" /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[06:01] <smoser> sudo sed -i "s/#PasswordAuthentication/PasswordAuthentication/" /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[06:01] <smoser> sudo restart ssh
[06:24] <imyousuf> I am facing some problem regarding discovering nodes in eucalyptus (UEC) http://paste.ubuntu.com/470196/
[06:24] <imyousuf> When it is discovering a node it is identifying with its inet6 address and not the inet4 address
[06:25] <twb> Do you actually use ipv6 at all?
[06:25] <twb> If not, suggest turning it off at the boot prompt
[06:27] <imyousuf> twb: nope
[06:27] <imyousuf> twb: by boot prompt do you mean bios?
[06:27] <twb> No, I mean in your bootloader: grub or pxelinux or whatever
[06:28] <imyousuf> ok, I am using grub, can you plz give me a pointer to how I might go about achieving it twb?
[06:29] <twb> grub2 or grub legacy
[06:29] <imyousuf> twb:  the one provided with Lucid Lynx
[06:29] <twb> In /etc/default/grub add ipv6.disable=1 to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT and run "update-grub"
[06:31] <imyousuf> twb: currently the value is GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet" changing it to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet ipv6.disable=1" and running update-grub
[07:17] <ttx> RoAkSoAx: pong
[07:41] <RoAkSoAx> ttx: I attached a debdiff for rhcs
[07:41] <RoAkSoAx> bug #600984
[07:42] <ttx> RoAkSoAx: ok
[07:59] <Daviey> smoser, o/
[07:59] <smoser> hey
[07:59] <smoser> que pasa senor?
[07:59] <Daviey> smoser, oh joy, about ftbfs
[07:59] <smoser> i've a merge for you to look at for eucalyptus.
[07:59] <smoser> yeah
[08:00] <smoser> once it bfs, i have some changes that i need.
[08:00] <smoser> they'rre not well tested, thoguh, as i can't install
[08:00] <smoser> :)
[08:00] <smoser> but fairly well tested given that slight difficulty
[08:00] <Daviey> HAH
[08:01] <eagles0513875> i need some serious help
[08:01] <eagles0513875> for some reason my server seems to be stuck in an infinite loop
[08:01] <eagles0513875> it boots up gets to the login then shuts down and restarts
[08:02] <smoser> if you care to review, Daviey https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/ubuntu/maverick/eucalyptus/maverick.bug611144/+merge/31249
[08:05] <Daviey> smoser, visually, it looks sane
[08:05] <smoser> well, it builds.
[08:07] <Daviey> smoser, in lucid or maverick?
[08:08] <smoser> in maverick
[08:08] <smoser> i hand installed the libjibx into an otherwise clean schroot
[08:08] <smoser> the dpkg-buildpackage
[08:09] <Daviey> ahh
[08:09] <Daviey> sweet :)
[08:46] <eagles0513875> vhey guys i need some big time help i have a server down and its kind of in an infinite boot up and restart loop
[08:46] <eagles0513875> im trying to boot onto the live cd and it wont read it for some reason and with out any networking i can login but after logging in it restarts itself
[08:54] <qman__> eagles0513875, not much you can do until you get it booted to a live environment, or load the disk in another computer
[08:54] <eagles0513875> sigh :(
[08:55] <eagles0513875> qman__: woudl a network boot work?
[08:55] <qman__> have you tried the "recovery mode" option?
[08:55] <qman__> only if you have a server hosting PXE images
[08:55] <eagles0513875> qman__: what do i press to get to grub and kernel selection
[08:55] <qman__> for grub1, escape, for grub2, hold left shift
[08:55] <eagles0513875> hold on
[08:56] <qman__> recovery mode boots it into single user, and then gives you a few options besides just dropping to a root shell
[08:56] <eagles0513875> i know
[08:56] <eagles0513875> i think this loop has something to do with watchdog
[08:57] <eagles0513875> im holding shift and im getting no response
[08:57] <eagles0513875> its like its ignoring the keyboard
[08:57] <qman__> USB?
[08:58] <eagles0513875> ya
[08:58] <eagles0513875> also the cd drive si a bit wonky
[08:59] <eagles0513875> its a sata cd rom drive
[08:59] <qman__> if so, try playing with the legacy USB keyboard options in the BIOS
[08:59] <qman__> or try PS/2
[08:59] <qman__> make sure it's in "native IDE" mode
[09:00] <qman__> some things can handle AHCI, others can't
[09:00] <eagles0513875> qman__: what doesnt make sense is this was working just fine yesterday
[09:01] <qman__> it's a big mess, so if you don't need to hot plug your drive, just use native IDE
[09:01] <eagles0513875> blarg this is a mess
[09:01] <qman__> now, hard drives can really benefit from AHCI, but disc drives, not a big deal
[09:02] <eagles0513875> man this is getting frustrating
[09:03] <eagles0513875> i am wondering if it was the time as the time in the bios was 2 hrs behind
[09:03] <qman__> eagles0513875, by default, linux sets the hardware clock to UTC
[09:04] <eagles0513875> humm
[09:04] <eagles0513875> ok
[09:04] <eagles0513875> that didnt do it
[09:04] <eagles0513875> and i cant change to legacy usb
[09:04] <SuperPetRalf> Can you not trying setting your first boot device to CDROM and then putting in a recovery disk
[09:04] <SuperPetRalf> just to see if you even get usb support?
[09:06] <eagles0513875> SuperLag: already have that
[09:06] <eagles0513875> setup like that and it still doesnt boot off the live cd
[09:06] <eagles0513875> of ubuntu server
[09:06] <SuperPetRalf> ahh
[09:06] <SuperPetRalf> sorry couldnt scroll back that far
[09:06] <eagles0513875> its ok
[09:07] <eagles0513875> i am running out of ideas
[09:07] <eagles0513875> i think a reinstall might be in order
[09:07] <SuperPetRalf> what happens when you try to boot it up?
[09:07] <eagles0513875> starts up i login and it shutdown and reboots
[09:08] <SuperPetRalf> and in single user mode the same?
[09:08] <qman__> his keyboard isn't working to interrupt grub and get to single
[09:08] <qman__> you're going to have to fix one or the other, the CD or the keyboard, in any case
[09:09] <qman__> can't exactly reinstall if you can't boot the live environment
[09:09] <SuperPetRalf> ah have you tried booting from a USB device?
[09:09] <eagles0513875> thing is i dont have a spare usb device on me atm
[09:09] <eagles0513875> the one i have is 16 gb of data on it
[09:09] <eagles0513875> actually brb
[09:09] <eagles0513875> cuz the office was supposed to order some for work
[09:10] <eagles0513875> hold on i might not need it
[09:10] <eagles0513875> ok nm
[09:10] <eagles0513875> i do need it
[09:10] <SuperPetRalf> sure could it be  ahrd ware issue if the kb isnt working and its in a boot loop?
[09:10] <eagles0513875> it seems like all processes are crashing from what im seeing during shutdown
[09:10] <eagles0513875> the server was workign juts fine yesterday
[09:11] <eagles0513875> brb
[09:11] <qman__> that doesn't rule out a hardware issue
[09:11] <SuperPetRalf> has anything changed? plugged in sumthink
[09:15] <SuperPetRalf> Does it crash ont he same process every time?
[09:15] <SuperPetRalf> on the
[09:16] <eagles0513875> it seems like its something with udev
[09:16] <eagles0513875> im gonna use my pendrive and create a bootable usb
[09:16] <eagles0513875> using unetbootin
[09:17] <eagles0513875> just have to get all my data off it first
[09:17] <SuperPetRalf> Sure one other suggestion, when you do remove all the hardware you dont need, including some of the ram and the CD ROM drive if you can
[09:18] <eagles0513875> SuperPetRalf: ?
[09:18] <SuperPetRalf> Just incase it is a hardware issue, it maybe on the the external devices
[09:19] <SuperPetRalf> or an internal device such as a broken pin in the ide cable or faulty RAM
[09:20] <eagles0513875> ieverything is sata
[09:20] <eagles0513875> from cd drive to hdd drives
[09:20] <eagles0513875> i unplugged the network
[09:20] <eagles0513875> which helped some
[09:20] <eagles0513875> before with it plugged in
[09:20] <eagles0513875> it was an instant reboot
[09:21] <eagles0513875> without network it at least stays up for a bit then i login and it goes down
[09:22] <eagles0513875> i think im getting ddosed or something
[09:22] <SuperPetRalf> is it possibly 2 seperate issues, for example you cant use the kb in grub becuase USB support isnt there and there is a corrupt file cousing your system to reboot?
[09:23] <eagles0513875> SuperPetRalf: all i did was modify something in the watchdog conf file and restarted watchdog
[09:23] <eagles0513875> and after that thats when it was in the infinite loop
[09:23] <eagles0513875> prior to that it was fine
[09:24] <SuperPetRalf> can you resotre the old file
[09:24] <eagles0513875> i know what i modified
[09:24] <eagles0513875> just have to comment out one thing
[09:24] <SuperPetRalf> idea
[09:25] <SuperPetRalf> can you turn it on but not logon
[09:25] <SuperPetRalf> then login remotly with ssh?
[09:25] <eagles0513875> i could try that
[09:25] <eagles0513875> also take a look at this
[09:25] <eagles0513875> http://pastebin.com/ebmPZndP <---does that look like someone trying to hack or dos the network
[09:26] <SuperPetRalf> there all outbound though
[09:26] <eagles0513875> not all
[09:26] <SuperPetRalf> but the majority are and I dont htink that could be anough for DOS conditions
[09:27] <qman__> only one is inbound
[09:27] <qman__> looks like your server's been compromised to me
[09:27] <qman__> unless you're legitimately scanning those IPs yourself
[09:27] <eagles0513875> im not
[09:27] <eagles0513875> im protected by router firewall
[09:28] <eagles0513875> only ports i have open and forwarded to the server are 22 and 80
[09:28] <qman__> that's more than enough
[09:28] <eagles0513875> so i need to get iptables up and running on the server as well as a proxy
[09:28] <qman__> you need to fix the hole that they got in with, if they got in
[09:29] <eagles0513875> ya its server side i think
[09:29] <qman__> leave it off the network, and check for evidence of a break in
[09:29] <eagles0513875> thing is i removed the server from the connection via router to the internet
[09:29] <eagles0513875> breakin in what sense
[09:29] <SuperPetRalf> yeah but the traffic is outbound
[09:29] <SuperPetRalf> suggesting if it is its allready comprimised
[09:29] <qman__> unauthorized SSH login, most likely
[09:29] <qman__> with a subsequent rooting
[09:30] <eagles0513875> qman__: i use an alpha numeric password which isnt easy to crack
[09:30] <qman__> doesn't matter
[09:30] <qman__> using password authentication at all is risky
[09:30] <SuperPetRalf> brute force, but i still dont think its likly to be that
[09:30] <eagles0513875> thing is i cant even check the logs
[09:31] <eagles0513875> and most of the attacks are on closed ports
[09:31] <SuperPetRalf> whats the IP address of the server?
[09:31] <qman__> those are outbound connections
[09:31] <SuperPetRalf> .4 or .7?
[09:31] <eagles0513875> none of those
[09:31] <SuperPetRalf> then its not the server
[09:31] <eagles0513875> server has a static internal ip
[09:31] <SuperPetRalf> look at the addresses
[09:31] <qman__> blocking inbound ports has no effect on them
[09:31] <eagles0513875> those i believe are wifi addresses
[09:32] <SuperPetRalf> ahh but all the traffic goes no where near the server so to speak
[09:32] <SuperPetRalf> look its all outbound .2.4 and 2.7
[09:32] <qman__> yeah
[09:32] <qman__> looks like you had a couple zombies on your wifi then
[09:32] <qman__> or someone playing around with nmap
[09:32] <alex88> i'm finally got working suexec with fcgid, but it uses a wrapper that contains http://pastebin.com/KCsLN1dR, now, the wrapper must be owned by the user, so he can change it and put whatever command he wants, how can i solve this?
[09:33] <SuperPetRalf> try and ssh into your own server
[09:33] <eagles0513875> those are wifi ips from .2 to 100
[09:33] <eagles0513875> via router dhcp
[09:33] <qman__> if your server is on the same subnet, you definitely need to put up a firewall
[09:34] <qman__> but that's down the road
[09:34] <qman__> if none of those addresses point to your server, then it's irrelevant
[09:34] <SuperPetRalf> and there are time log inconsistences too
[09:34] <qman__> and this is sounding more like hardware failure by the minute
[09:34] <eagles0513875> ssh seems to be down
[09:34] <SuperPetRalf> see no 11 then 12 and you see what i mean
[09:35] <eagles0513875> cant ssh in
[09:35] <SuperPetRalf> anyway ssh is down just checking are you re plugged in
[09:35] <huats> morning
[09:35] <SuperPetRalf> can you ping?
[09:35] <SuperPetRalf> Morning
[09:35] <eagles0513875> wait hold on
[09:36] <qman__> are you using an onboard NIC?
[09:37] <eagles0513875> no
[09:37] <eagles0513875> that was faulty
[09:37] <eagles0513875> its a pci nic
[09:37] <eagles0513875> i was gonna get a 2nd pci nic
[09:38] <SuperPetRalf> no ping reply is that?
[09:38] <eagles0513875> put one on the dmz and route the traffic to the other one after content filtering etc
[09:38] <qman__> well, that's even more suspect
[09:38] <eagles0513875> server is offline atm
[09:38] <eagles0513875> qman__: ?
[09:38] <qman__> if the onboard was already dead, the motherboard is likely crapping out
[09:38] <eagles0513875> qman__: thing is i had taken this server home and installed server just fine using the onboard nic
[09:38] <eagles0513875> came to work and it didnt work here
[09:39] <SuperPetRalf> you mean during that time you installed fisrt and powered up now its been moved!?
[09:40] <eagles0513875> let me see if i can boot onto a bootable pendrive
[09:40] <eagles0513875> SuperPetRalf: yes
[09:40] <eagles0513875> i reinstalled with this other nic card i bought
[09:40] <SuperPetRalf> ahh
[09:40] <qman__> a failing southbridge chip would explain everything
[09:40] <SuperPetRalf> hardware, or maybe disloged component
[09:40] <qman__> udev crashing, NIC failure
[09:40] <eagles0513875> O_O
[09:40] <SuperPetRalf> im with qman on that
[09:40] <eagles0513875> qman__: this has been online for at least 2 three weeks
[09:41] <qman__> irrelevant
[09:41] <qman__> all hardware fails eventually
[09:41] <qman__> when is a matter of chance
[09:41] <SuperPetRalf> most of the time it jsut goes
[09:41] <SuperPetRalf> no warning
[09:41] <SuperPetRalf> especailly if youve moved it
[09:42] <eagles0513875> thing is this is only a 1 yr old machine
[09:42] <qman__> also irrelevant
[09:42] <SuperPetRalf> is it on a UPS?
[09:42] <eagles0513875> yes
[09:42] <SuperPetRalf> is the UPS rated hight enough?
[09:42] <qman__> could be the power supply as well, but it's a bit too consistent
[09:43] <qman__> when they go, they either usually just pop
[09:43] <qman__> or fail under a heavy load
[09:43] <ttx> Daviey: around ?
[09:43] <qman__> which I guess booting up could case
[09:43] <SuperPetRalf> not if its a 250w USP and 350 PSU
[09:44] <Daviey> ttx: o/
[09:45] <Daviey> ttx: Going through my back log, wanted to catch up with you.
[09:45] <ttx> Daviey: I had a few questions on the status of euca 2.0 regressions wrt alpha3
[09:45] <Daviey> ttx: I am ontop of hggdh's bugs.
[09:45] <ttx> great
[09:45] <Daviey> ttx: Well at the moment euca 2.0 FTBFS on maverick
[09:45] <eagles0513875> qman__: and SuperPetRalf i have anothe rmachine here at the office i can setup if all else fails
[09:45] <Daviey> (archive version)
[09:45] <ttx> Daviey: smoser told me. The jibx transition was half done on our side
[09:45] <SuperPetRalf> if youve got backups of the old one i would go for it
[09:45] <qman__> eagles0513875, run some hardware diagnostics, boot live and put it under a heavy load
[09:46] <ttx> Daviey: just wondering why it hits so late
[09:46] <qman__> try taking it off the UPS or swapping the power supply, see if it fixes the problem
[09:46] <qman__> if it doesn't, it's probably the motherboard
[09:46] <Daviey> ttx: The old version was only removed from the archive yesterday
[09:46] <ttx> arh.
[09:46] <eagles0513875> qman__: making live usb of kubuntu atm
[09:46] <eagles0513875> only iso i have laying around on this laptop atm
[09:47] <ttx> Daviey: ok, keep me posted, and don't hasitate to ask me/Dustin for support if needed
[09:47] <SuperPetRalf> sure
[09:47] <Daviey> ttx: Personally, i'm not convinced it needs a MIR.. but i guess i should - but MIR's currently seem to be operating slowly
[09:47] <ttx> MIR ? For jibx ?
[09:48] <Daviey> ttx: yeah
[09:48] <ttx> it's just a package split... so it's should be a formality
[09:48] <ttx> the apckage was already reviewed, it's just a matter of promoting it
[09:48] <Daviey> ttx: the new package isn't yet in Ubuntu.. There isn't ANY jibx in Maverick at the moment, i don't think
[09:49] <ttx> but there was one :) Once in main, can return to main.
[09:49] <Daviey> Yeah.. it was for this, i thought it could bypass a MIR.
[09:49] <ttx> Daviey: I'd really much like to have the basic UEC installer work out of the box for A3, like it used to
[09:50] <Daviey> ttx: Agreed.
[09:50] <ttx> I don't care so much about the 10% instance fail rate
[09:50] <Daviey> ttx: I need to do some investigation to the registration issue.
[09:50] <ttx> that we can fix after
[09:50] <Daviey> ttx: It seems it's inconsistent.. :/
[09:50] <ttx> Daviey: Ideally we need to identify the upstream issues
[09:50] <ttx> if any
[09:51] <ttx> to push them upstream today
[09:51] <Daviey> yeah.. There is a call with them today, so i'll try and make sure as much is ready for that.
[09:51] <ttx> inconsistent ? I thought euca_conf --list-nodes always failed
[09:51] <eagles0513875> qman__: and SuperPetRalf live usb is working booting into single user mode
[09:51] <eagles0513875> what should i run
[09:52] <eagles0513875> should i drop down to a root shell with networking ? or a normal root shell SuperPetRalf or qman__
[09:52] <qman__> eagles0513875, with the live environment, you really should load the normal full system
[09:52] <qman__> GUI and all, and load some heavy application to stress the hardware
[09:52] <eagles0513875> ok
[09:53] <Daviey> ttx: That does seem to, but describe-avaliability-zones verbose, sometimes returns
[09:53] <eagles0513875> qman__: normal system is loaded
[09:53] <SuperPetRalf> and try editing your watchdog file back to norman
[09:53] <SuperPetRalf> normal
[09:53] <ttx> Daviey: registration.log should leave a clear trail of what was detected and called
[09:53] <SuperPetRalf> ping out see if your nic is working as it should
[09:54] <ttx> Daviey: to check of the absence of reg is due to an announce issue or a reg issue
[09:56] <eagles0513875> SuperPetRalf: how can i mount the partition of the cd drive cuz on the live usb its only seeing the pendrive partition
[09:57] <SuperPetRalf> use the mount command
[09:57] <SuperPetRalf> go to command line and type man mount
[09:58] <eagles0513875> SuperPetRalf: i know how to use it but i cant seem to find the partition listed when doign fdisk -l
[09:59] <SuperPetRalf> has it deteced it?
[09:59] <eagles0513875> how can i tell
[09:59] <SuperPetRalf> lspci it
[10:00] <eagles0513875> detected the har ddrive
[10:01] <SuperPetRalf> ah, qman_ maybe better at this than me
[10:01] <eagles0513875> ahhh here we go
[10:01] <SuperPetRalf> go it?
[10:01] <eagles0513875> had to drop down to runlevel 1
[10:01] <SuperPetRalf> ahh
[10:01] <eagles0513875> humm but cant mount it as its not listed in the fstab
[10:01] <eagles0513875> qman__: any suggestions
[10:02] <eagles0513875> besides adding it to the fstab
[10:04] <qman__> eagles0513875, use sudo
[10:05] <eagles0513875> i did and still wasnt getting listed
[10:05] <qman__> sudo mount /dev/sd?? /media/disk
[10:06] <SuperPetRalf> isnt a cd "scd"?
[10:06] <SuperPetRalf> ahh grep it
[10:06] <qman__> a CD could be scd or sr, but I don't know why you'd be mounting a CD
[10:07] <SuperPetRalf> well it gives you sumthing to do :) I think eagles needs someting off the cd
[10:07] <qman__> my CD used to be hda
[10:07] <qman__> changed in an update
[10:07] <eagles0513875> question
[10:07] <eagles0513875> how can i get to the etc of the mounted drive
[10:07] <eagles0513875> wait there it is
[10:08] <SuperPetRalf> lol my cd used to be /dev/null
[10:08] <eagles0513875> lol
[10:09] <eagles0513875> lets see if that fixes it
[10:09]  * eagles0513875 crosses fingers
[10:10] <eagles0513875> server is back up SuperPetRalf and qman__
[10:10]  * eagles0513875 makes not to self not to modify watchdog.conf file
[10:10] <SuperPetRalf> WEY!
[10:10] <SuperPetRalf> congrats mate
[10:10] <eagles0513875> ty
[10:10] <eagles0513875> now to firewall it for extra protection
[10:10] <eagles0513875> !iptables | eagles0513875
[10:12] <qman__> yeah, just keep in mind that there's no such thing as a secure wireless network
[10:12] <qman__> if you design and configure with that in mind, you won't have any problems
[10:12] <SuperPetRalf> sure there is its when you turn it off :)
[10:12] <qman__> treat wireless like you treat the internet
[10:12] <eagles0513875> ya
[10:12] <eagles0513875> i hear ya
[10:12] <eagles0513875> its encrypted but cant be too safe
[10:13] <eagles0513875> :)
[10:13] <eagles0513875> qman__:  and SuperPetRalf would you guys recommend me getting a 2nd nic and putting that on the dmz then routing traffic to the internal nic or no need
[10:13] <eagles0513875> or can i still provide content filtering with a single nic interface
[10:13] <eagles0513875> i wonder if i coudl get the onboard working
[10:13] <ShadeS> eagles0513875: yes, you can.
[10:14] <eagles0513875> ok cuz i want to do a lil content filtering for users of the wifi
[10:14] <qman__> you shouldn't need multiple NICs anywhere but at your router
[10:14] <jordanl> is there a limit to the number of IP addresses that you can associate with a NIC in /etc/network/interfaces?
[10:14] <qman__> I would suggest moving your wireless to its own DMZ if you can
[10:14] <eagles0513875> qman__: so you wouldnt recommend putting one nic on the dmz and then routing traffic to a nic which isn ton the dmz
[10:14] <qman__> but that's not always practical
[10:14] <eagles0513875> we want it secure
[10:14] <ShadeS> when you saccrifice usability for security you're being too secure ;)
[10:15] <eagles0513875> lol ShadeS dont get me started with this goverment fiber line we have here at this clinic
[10:15] <eagles0513875> way too bloody restricted
[10:15] <qman__> eagles0513875, splitting your network in multiple places isn't necessary
[10:15] <qman__> you should split it at the router
[10:15] <eagles0513875> qman__: ok
[10:15] <jordanl> i added a second IP to /etc/network/interfaces using an "iface eth0:1 inet static" etc. line
[10:15] <SuperPetRalf> second that
[10:15] <ShadeS> "Those that give up essential useability for security, deserve neither useability or security!" - Benjamin franklin
[10:15] <jordanl> which works
[10:15] <SuperPetRalf> youd end up over complicating things
[10:15] <jordanl> but adding a third IP using "iface eth0:2 inet static" doesn't seem to work
[10:16] <SuperPetRalf> lol
[10:16] <jordanl> i can't ping it from the outside
[10:16] <qman__> jordanl, IME, if you want to use subinterfaces you have to de-configure the main interface
[10:16] <jordanl> actually, i can ping it from something else on the same switch
[10:16] <jordanl> but not from outside that switch
[10:17] <eagles0513875> brb
[10:17] <jordanl> qman__: de-configure the main interface? what do you mean by that?
[10:18] <qman__> jordanl, I have never managed a working configuration where 'eth0' and 'eth0:1' both worked simultaneously, always had to change over to a 'eth0:1', 'eth0:2' setup
[10:19] <jordanl> i see
[10:19] <jordanl> so don't specify anything at all in the file for regular eth0?
[10:19] <qman__> just `auto eth0` so it brings the hardware online
[10:19] <jordanl> currently i have a section for "iface eth0 inet static"
[10:19] <qman__> I would simply change the 'eth0' in that line to 'eth0:0'
[10:23]  * eagles0513875 is happy that server is back online
[10:24] <jordanl> qman__:  is it possible to make this change without restarting the system?
[10:25] <jordanl> can i just /etc/init.d/networking restart
[10:25] <qman__> jordanl, yes
[10:25] <qman__> or service networking restart
[10:27] <jordanl> didn't quite work as expected
[10:27] <jordanl> "ip addr show" still lists an IP for eth0
[10:27] <jordanl> and nothing for eth0:0, in fact, i got an error when it tried to assign an address to eth0:0
[10:28] <jordanl> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/242999/
[10:30] <eagles0513875> question qman__  or SuperPetRalf if i am using godaddy's dns and pointing the domain i have with them at the server ip woudl i need to have port 53 open on the server?
[10:31] <jordanl> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/243000/
[10:31] <qman__> eagles0513875, no
[10:31] <eagles0513875> ok
[10:31] <eagles0513875> qman__: would you suggest changing the port ssh uses?
[10:31] <qman__> eagles0513875, no
[10:32] <qman__> I would suggest using key-based authentication instead of passwords
[10:32] <eagles0513875> ok will do that now gonna need some help with that but let me get the firewall up and running
[10:32] <qman__> jordanl, I haven't seen that one before
[10:33] <jordanl> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/243001/
[10:33] <qman__> maybe they've changed some things to make it work
[10:33] <jordanl> that's my conf file
[10:33] <qman__> oh, I bet I know what it is
[10:33] <jordanl> the ubuntu server guide made it seem so easy
[10:33] <qman__> try removing the IP assigned to eth0 manually
[10:34] <qman__> then restarting networking
[10:34] <jordanl> ok
[10:34] <jordanl> ip addr del 10.2.2.154/26 dev eth0
[10:34] <jordanl> like that?
[10:35] <andyltm> What is the normal amount of load on a server (dual proc) with 2gb ram and a website that has ~ 20,000 pg views/day?
[10:35] <SuperPetRalf> if its a full blown server have you ever conisred sumthink like webmin
[10:35] <qman__> I don't know how to do it with the ip command, I always use ifconfig, even though I guess that's the "wrong" way now
[10:36] <SuperPetRalf> theres a ip command?
[10:36] <jordanl> still no luck
[10:36] <jordanl> very strange that i can't ping the .160 from the outside
[10:36] <qman__> more IOCTL errors?
[10:37] <qman__> or just the ping not working
[10:37] <jordanl> no, the IOCTL errors went away
[10:37] <jordanl> and it looks okay in ip show
[10:37] <qman__> ok
[10:37] <qman__> how smart is the switch?
[10:38] <jordanl> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/243006/
[10:38] <jordanl> the switch is supposed to be smart
[10:38] <ShadeS> 'supposed'
[10:39] <qman__> that might be what's breaking it
[10:39] <jordanl> yes, it's a cisco
[10:39] <qman__> if the switch is programmed to only allow X IPs per MAC
[10:39] <qman__> or if it's doing something like STP and just dropping the ball
[10:39] <jordanl> i've encountered this before
[10:40] <jordanl> and i *think* rebooting fixed it
[10:45] <imyousuf> Hi
[10:45] <imyousuf> I need some help regarding eucalyptus
[10:46] <jordanl> i disabled the other secondary IP
[10:46] <jordanl> still not working :(
[10:48] <imyousuf> I am doing $ sudo service eucalyptus-nc status and getting start/running, but if I do euca-describe-availability-zones verbose the max column shows all 0. When I try sudo euca_conf --no-rsync --discover-nodes it does not discover any nodes :( can someone please help me? output of the commands are http://paste.ubuntu.com/470622/
[10:48] <jordanl> i'll try to pick up on it tomorrow
[10:48] <jordanl> it's late here
[10:48] <jordanl> thanks for the help
[10:48] <qman__> jordanl, good luck with it
[11:06] <imyousuf> I am doing service eucalyptus-nc status and getting start/running, but if I do euca-describe-availability-zones verbose the max column shows all 0. When I try euca_conf --no-rsync --discover-nodes it does not discover any nodes :( can someone please help me? output of the commands are http://paste.ubuntu.com/470622/ (re-run)
[11:20] <maxb> Anyone who uses schroot here?
[11:20] <maxb> Any thoughts on why it might be running its chroot setup-stop scripts *twice* on chroot exit?
[11:23] <alex88> is possible to restore database from mysql files? i mean, i have just the filesystem, not standard sql backup
[11:29] <imyousuf> twb`: if you have time would you kindly have a look at http://paste.ubuntu.com/470622/ ? I set the ipv6 setting after that, discover-nodes does not even discover the node :(
[11:29] <eagles0513875> !squid | eagles0513875
[11:30] <eagles0513875> is there a wiki page for setting up squid on the ubuntu wiki
[11:30] <twb`> imyousuf: I don't provide support for eucalyptus
[11:30] <imyousuf> oh ok twb`, thanks, can you please point me to someone who does, I have been sitting with this for over a week :(
[11:33] <twb`> I can't, sorry.
[11:33] <imyousuf> twb`: np, thanks
[11:44] <eagles0513875> quick question about iptables
[11:44] <eagles0513875> i have port 80 open on the inbound connection how am i able to get a webpage with the outbound port being blocked?
[12:58] <twb`> What's the current best practice for doing PPPoE on lucid?
[12:59] <twb`> I see that a stock install has pulled in "pppoeconf", which depends on "ppp | pppoe" -- that seems to suggest those packages are interchangable.
[12:59] <eagles0513875> !pppoe
[13:00] <eagles0513875> twb`: is that of any help for ya
[13:00] <twb`> eagles0513875: well, reading random shit on the internet is plan B.
[13:00] <pmatulis> doesn't look random to me
[13:00] <twb`> Plan A is to get a recommendation from a denizen here that I trust to have a clue
[13:01] <twb`> (Though that recommendation could be "ubuntu-serverguide's way is the Right Way")
[13:03] <twb`> pmatulis: the community part of the wiki can be pretty random :-(
[13:10] <Daviey> twb`, If you are happy to follow that, and report how it works out - if it looks good, we can move it to the offical part.
[13:10] <twb`> Daviey: fairy nuff.
[13:11] <twb`> I can't actually do that TODAY, because manglement hasn't arranged for a spare DSL modem and account to test against.
[13:11] <Daviey> :(
[13:12] <twb`> I should also grovel through the C4 host that's currently doing our PPPoE
[13:15] <eduardo_f> I have a shell script that writes stuff in a lofile, I want to execute the script in a way that it is restarted if nothing is written in the logfile for 30 mins, ideas?
[13:19] <twb`> That concept is called a "watchdog"
[13:19] <twb`> If you go through apt, there's probably a couple of tools to facilitate it
[13:22] <eduardo_f> pseudo-code would be smth like this: if (not writing to logfile) then (restart process) unless (process finished)
[13:22] <eduardo_f> I guess I want a software watchdog, not the kernel one, I'll look through apt, thnx twb`
[13:22] <twb`> eduardo_f: right
[13:32] <cloakable> Of course it does, it's Java >.>
[14:04] <eagles0513875> !watchdog | eagles0513875
[14:12] <diogo_79> hi
[14:13] <diogo_79> guys how can i see what services are running on ubuntu?
[14:16] <pmatulis> diogo_79: you can look at open ports (listening) or processes running
[14:17] <diogo_79> what is the command ?
[14:17] <SuperPetRalf> why not just do a top?
[14:18] <SuperPetRalf> thats:
[14:18] <SuperPetRalf> $ top
[14:19] <diogo_79> thanks
[14:19] <SuperPetRalf> np hope thats what your looking for
[14:20] <tangerine0469> i am having trouble installing 10.04 lts on a raid 1 can anyone help?
[14:20] <diogo_79> when i do sudo mysql -e to grant privileges to a user gives me access denied dont undersand why if i execute the command with sudo
[14:21] <SuperPetRalf> Doesnt MySQL have a different user database to you linux box
[14:21] <nimrod10> diogo_79, why do you need to do sudo mysql ?
[14:22] <SuperPetRalf> and whats the RAID issue?
[14:22] <nimrod10> diogo_79, it should work fine without suda
[14:22] <nimrod10> *sudo
[14:22] <diogo_79> because without sudo gives me access denied
[14:22] <diogo_79> where is the command
[14:22] <tangerine0469> it asks me if i want to activate the raid and i say yes, then it fails to write the file system to the drive
[14:23] <diogo_79> sudo mysql -e "grant all privileges on zabbix.* to zabbix@localhost identified by 'senha';"
[14:23] <diogo_79> gives access denied to root
[14:24] <tangerine0469> i get to the point of choosing a guided partitioning and i have chosen each of the options seperately and still get no where
[14:26] <SuperPetRalf> ah afraid im not going to be much use with that sorry, but there should be someone else in the community that can have you tries the ubunut forums?
[14:28] <tangerine0469> not yet, i figured i would try this place first
[14:28] <tangerine0469> thanks though
[14:45] <nimrod10> diogo_79, you should be able to execute the mysql command without sudo access
[14:45] <nimrod10> as in mysql -e "grant ...."
[14:45] <diogo_79> but gives me access denied
[14:45] <nimrod10> then run it with mysql -uyouruser -p -e "command "
[14:47] <thesheff17> diaog_79: mysql command has nothing to do with sudo...mysql contains its own username/password in order to manipulate mysql stuff.
[14:47] <nimrod10> the user that you give to mysql should be the user you have set up in mysql and NOT a linux user
[14:49] <mathiaz> ttx: howdy!
[14:50] <ttx> mathiaz: yo
[14:50] <mathiaz> ttx: is there a blueprint to track sponsoring work as work items?
[14:50] <ttx> mathiaz: no
[14:50] <mathiaz> ttx: IIRC there is a blueprint for New,Undecided bugs work
[14:51] <mathiaz> ttx: what do you think about creating a server-maverick-sponsoring blueprint?
[14:51] <ttx> mathiaz: as in one work item per week per core-dev/motu person ?
[14:51] <mathiaz> ttx: yes
[14:51] <mathiaz> ttx: modeled after the bug-triagging blueprint
[14:51] <ttx> hmm
[14:51] <mathiaz> ttx: server-maverick-dailytriage
[14:52] <mathiaz> ttx: the intent is the same IMO
[14:52] <ttx> I'm not totally convinced by that one tbh
[14:52] <BlackZ> hey mathiaz
[14:52] <mathiaz> ttx: why?
[14:52] <mathiaz> ttx: it shows up on the work item list and help to burn wi down
[14:52] <Daviey> ttx / mathiaz: Keep in mind package sets can also sponsor, not just motu/coredev
[14:53] <ttx> mathiaz: having plenty of work items that you cannot do anything about until it's time to act on them...
[14:53] <mathiaz> Daviey: right - I'd suggest the WI to be named: sponsor stuff
[14:53] <ttx> mathiaz: a calendar sounds more appropriate
[14:53] <Daviey> mathiaz, a BIG +1
[14:53] <ttx> otherwise you'll duplicate your vacation notices
[14:54] <mathiaz> ttx: right - I'd still have to mark it as completed
[14:54] <ttx> completed ? or dropped ?
[14:54] <mathiaz> ttx: things I've done - so that it shows on the graph
[14:54] <Daviey> yeah.. and as it is supposed to be a dedicated thing - it should still show on our WI tracker
[14:54] <ttx> Also at the start of a subcycle you'll end up having 50 WIs with only 10 you can actually work on
[14:55] <ttx> which will make looking for them a bit counter-productive
[14:55] <Daviey> ttx, But the %'s increase of comepleted would then match the milestones?
[14:55] <ttx> so I wanted to try the dailytriage one for beta and see how well it flies
[14:55] <mathiaz> ttx: ok
[14:56] <mathiaz> ttx: my goal is to have the sponsoring work show up somehow
[14:56] <ttx> I think it generates noise and duplication
[14:56] <mathiaz> ttx: it seems that integrating it in the personal page is better then
[14:56] <ttx> I can be convinced otherwise though :)
[14:56] <mathiaz> ttx: including a calendar feed on the personal page
[14:56] <Daviey> Well we could speak with dholbach about duplicating the 5 a day project to sponsoring stuff
[14:57] <ttx> another way to fix it is to do "sponsor+triage" days (community role days)
[14:57] <Daviey> extracting sponsorship information via the LP API isn't complex
[14:57] <mathiaz> ttx: so that things that needs to be done on a specific day show up automatically
[14:57] <ttx> then it does not generate so much additional wi
[14:58] <mathiaz> Daviey: right - what I'd like to have is a report based on the sponsoring page but filtered for the ubuntu-server team
[14:58] <ttx> another thing I fear is that if 60% of the WIs are actually things that will get burned in all cases, being late in the remaining 40% might not be easy to spot
[14:58] <Daviey> mathiaz, a TODO list?
[14:58] <mathiaz> Daviey: yes - it's all about generating TODO lists
[14:59] <mathiaz> Daviey: which are small enough to not scare people away
[14:59] <ttx> in a nutshell, I'm not sure we need work items to show recurrent work that we can skip in case of absence
[14:59] <mathiaz> Daviey: and getting them small is about providing views
[14:59] <Daviey> mathiaz, Getting that should be reasonably easy.. limited to packages in the packageset
[14:59] <ttx> I prefer work items to be things that need to be completed
[14:59] <Daviey> (but should we only be sponosring stuff in our set - or generic)?
[14:59] <ttx> rather than a weekly task reminder
[14:59] <mathiaz> Daviey: start with set, then go on generic
[15:00] <mathiaz> Daviey: the idea is to provide multiple lists to process by order of priority
[15:00] <mathiaz> ttx: fair enough
[15:00] <mathiaz> Daviey: for example my sponsoring work consists of:
[15:01] <mathiaz> Daviey: 1. https://code.launchpad.net/~mathiaz/+activereviews
[15:01] <ttx> mathiaz: but that's just me. That's what I mean by "not entirely convinced" and wanting to try out with dailytriage first
[15:01] <mathiaz> Daviey: 2. https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-server/+activereviews
[15:01] <mathiaz> Daviey: 3. https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server/+activereviews
[15:01] <ttx> mathiaz: otherwise what's the next step, one work item with every weekly meeting ?
[15:01] <mathiaz> Daviey: 4. https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server/+patches
[15:02] <mathiaz> ttx: hm - I don't understand what you mean
[15:02] <mathiaz> Daviey: process each queue in that order
[15:02] <ttx> mathiaz: well, meetings also take time. Having one work item for each of your weekly meeting would account for that
[15:03] <mathiaz> Daviey: once arrived at the end of one queue, jump to the next one
[15:03] <mathiaz> Daviey: provided you still have time
[15:03] <ttx> mathiaz: if you have one to remember your "sponsoring hour" why not to remember your "weekly meeting" ?
[15:03] <Daviey> ahh, i see mathiaz - is your process documented?
[15:03] <mathiaz> Daviey: the other part of that is that sponsoring is time-boxed
[15:04] <Daviey> ttx, We don't have a problem attending meetings - it's also very obvious if people aren't there
[15:04] <mathiaz> Daviey: spend 1/2 a day maximum
[15:04] <Daviey> sponsorship seems to be slipping by, hence dholbach's email
[15:04] <mathiaz> Daviey: nope - it's in my head - and I'm still experimenting - that's my personal workflow
[15:04] <ttx> Daviey: we shouldn't have problems attending sponsoring hours. There is a schedule for them
[15:04] <ttx> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/CodeReviews
[15:05] <ttx> Daviey: to me sponsoring time is very close to meetign time.
[15:05] <ttx> it occurs at a specific time and takes one hour.
[15:05] <ttx> I cannot have opther meetings conflicting with it.
[15:05] <mathiaz> ttx: granted - if WI is defined as work to be done ASAP and sponosring/meeting as recurring event at a specific time/day, then meeting/sponosring should go on the calendar
[15:05] <Daviey> mathiaz, Talking about last week - i really think it is awesome if people share personal workflows - doesn't need to be an "offical" one
[15:06] <mathiaz> Daviey: agreed - I'm still experimenting with my workflow and improving on it
[15:06] <mathiaz> Daviey: I plan to blog about it - and/or share with others
[15:06] <Daviey> mathiaz, personally, i'd really appreciate it
[15:06] <mathiaz> Daviey: it's just in experimentation mode now - I'd like to wait until I can report that this is working well for me
[15:07] <mathiaz> ttx: how about server-maverick-isotesting
[15:07] <Daviey> oh sure
[15:08] <mathiaz> ttx: this is also something that can only happen at a very specific time
[15:08] <ttx> mathiaz: rigth.. I like that one because it accounts for work that needs to be done on release week
[15:08] <mathiaz> ttx: so having a WI also helps to calculate the workload?
[15:09] <ttx> mathiaz: not the workload. An accurate completion %
[15:10] <ttx> if you do 10 WI per week, you should only plan 9 on release week, since one of them is taken by ISO testing :)
[15:10] <mathiaz> ttx: so how is that different from sponsoring work?
[15:10] <ttx> adding 1 work item every week doesn't help in that area
[15:10] <mathiaz> ttx: gotcha
[15:10] <ttx> again, I'm open to experiment with it
[15:11] <ttx> I just fear to dilute the % work to be done into recurring work that will get done anyway.
[15:11]  * Daviey thinks about some pretty graphs!
[15:12] <mathiaz> ttx: BTW when is the archive frozen for alpha3?
[15:12] <mathiaz> ttx: today Thursday or next Tuesday?
[15:12] <ttx> if you have 120 normal WI and 100 recurrent ones... The last 100 will get done anyway. But spotting that you'll be late on the first 120 gets harder
[15:12] <ttx> soft freeze, normally today
[15:13] <mathiaz> ttx: ok
[15:13] <ttx> That's why I asked for papercuts to be fixed before today, btw
[15:13] <nlko> hi guys, ive follwoed this tutorial here, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mailman, when i send an email to the new list i get the following error "pipe_transport unset in system_aliases router" in exim4 mainlog...any ideas please?
[15:13]  * ttx pauses
[15:13] <nlko> exim works to send email to system accounts and receives from remote addresses...
[15:15] <nlko> but when i send a email to the new list, i get that error ^
[15:22] <Daviey> ttx, Are you free for a chat in a few mins?  Currently in a call, and would be useful to talk about some of it.
[15:24] <nlko> no ideas?
[15:33] <ttx> Daviey: I'm available now
[15:33] <Daviey> rocking
[15:34] <Daviey> ttx, mumble?
[15:34] <ttx> Daviey: I'm on
[15:42] <SpamapS> ScottK: looks like the kolab patches are on the radar now for PHP
[16:05] <ScottK> SpamapS: Yes.  I've been following the discussion.  Thank you.
[16:08] <SpamapS> ScottK: Hopefully the Kolab guy can help push it through when he gets back. ;)
[16:08] <mathiaz> SpamapS: I've looked at the ceph package
[16:08] <ScottK> SpamapS: Do we need the configure stuff they mentioned?
[16:09] <mathiaz> SpamapS: and curbed LP to be able to use a merge proposal to track the discussion
[16:09] <mathiaz> SpamapS: so you may have received a bunch of uncessary emails while I was experimenting with LP to get it to do what I wanted
[16:11] <smoser> unnecessary emails from LP ?
[16:11] <smoser> what ?
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[16:17] <SpamapS> mathiaz: I think I got one or two. :)
[16:18] <mathiaz> SpamapS: let me know when you get to ceph - and I'll explain what I did to get the proposal going
[16:18] <mathiaz> SpamapS: the *merge* proposal setup
[16:20] <SpamapS> mathiaz: I'm looking at the proposal right now..
[16:21] <mathiaz> SpamapS: ok - so I've setup a project in LP with an empty-branch, branch it and copied the content of the source package from the PPA
[16:21] <SpamapS> mathiaz: http://code.launchpad.net/~clint-fewbar/+junk/ceph-packaging  this one at least fixes the lintian report W's and E's
[16:22] <mathiaz> SpamapS: and then I pushed it to LP to create a merge proposal
[16:22] <SpamapS> mathiaz: sage has been selectively pulling changes from that branch into his own packaging
[16:22] <mathiaz> SpamapS: right - so could you rebase your +junk branch from lp:review-new-branches
[16:23] <SpamapS> mathiaz: I don't know how to use rebase
[16:23] <mathiaz> SpamapS: well - rebase was wrong choice
[16:23] <mathiaz> SpamapS: basically restart based on lp:review-new-branches
[16:23] <SpamapS> lol ok.. and cherry pick diff's in?
[16:23] <mathiaz> SpamapS: so that we can create a merge proposal and keep the discussion there
[16:24] <mathiaz> SpamapS: yeah - if you wanna keep the history
[16:24] <mathiaz> SpamapS: this is a workaround the fact that LP doesn't support commenting on branches
[16:24] <SpamapS> mathiaz: I think its appropriate that a merge proposal is where discussion goes
[16:25] <SpamapS> mathiaz: but its difficult when there's nothing to merge to.. ;)
[16:25] <mathiaz> SpamapS: yeah - that's the issue ;)
[16:25] <mathiaz> SpamapS: if you don't base your branch from an existing branch you can't create a merge proposal
[16:26] <mathiaz> SpamapS: see bug 564391
[16:27] <mathiaz> SpamapS: and bug 575104
[16:27] <SpamapS> mathiaz: so should I branch lp:~mathiaz/review-new-branches/ceph-new-pkg , or the trunk?
[16:28]  * mathiaz thinks
[16:28] <mathiaz> SpamapS: you can branch lp:~mathiaz/review-new-branches/ceph-new-pkg and push it to your own LP account
[16:28] <mathiaz> SpamapS: we'll start over the merge proposal then
[16:28] <SpamapS> right, and then propose to merge with yours
[16:29] <SpamapS> I don't think you have to start over
[16:29] <mathiaz> SpamapS: with lp:review-new-branches
[16:29] <mathiaz> SpamapS: my branch doesn't have anything special
[16:29] <mathiaz> SpamapS: it's just a copy of the package.
[16:30] <mathiaz> SpamapS: once we get the merge proposal rolling we'll be able to track fixes in new revisions
[16:30] <SpamapS> clint@ubuntu:~/pkg/ceph/bzr$ diff -ur ceph-new-pkg ceph | wc -l
[16:30] <SpamapS> 74
[16:30] <SpamapS> My branch doesn't exactly have a ton of changes. :)
[16:31] <mathiaz> SpamapS: this whole thing is an experiment for me as well - we'll problem run into some bumps along the way
[16:32] <SpamapS> mathiaz: right, we usually don't have this problem because of auto-sync from debian. ;)
[16:37] <SpamapS> bzr: ERROR: Branches have no common ancestor, and no merge base revision was specified.
[16:37] <SpamapS> I'm trying to remember how to resolve this.. have done so before
[16:38] <ScottK> Delegate the task to someone lower in the food chain.
[16:39] <SpamapS> ScottK: ++
[16:39] <SpamapS> crap
[16:39] <SpamapS> Only amoebas and Cucumbers below me in the food chain
[16:46] <SpamapS> mathiaz: ok, pushed, merge proposed, I'm heading out for a few minutes
[17:06] <Yosi123> hi all
[17:08] <Yosi123> I just spoke to the ppl @ #httpd, and they are telling me that my hostname or host domain can't match the name of my apache2 virtual servers..  and that is the reason I'm getting a wierd error message when restarting apache2...  does this make sense, and if so, is there an easy way to change the host or domain name of the box?
[17:09] <Yosi123> I get this message when restarting apache2 "[warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts"
[17:14] <smoser> Daviey, working euca ?
[17:15] <Daviey> smoser, should be - working libjibx should be in the archive - as of a few mins ago
[17:20] <SpamapS> Yosi123: your <VirtualHost xxx> sections need xxx to be *:80
[17:23] <smoser> Daviey, so there is a libjibx ?
[17:24] <smoser> not just a libjibx1.1 ?
[17:24] <smoser> do you need to rebuild euca ?
[17:24] <Daviey> smoser, I think it should just work - there is a meta package
[17:24] <smoser> ah.
[17:24] <smoser> ok.
[17:24] <Daviey> libjibx-java
[17:24] <Daviey> ^^ meta package to versioned package
[17:24] <Daviey> not had a chance to confirm yet.. but it should have landed within the hour
[17:25] <webPragmatist> can i patch this manually http://code.google.com/p/modwsgi/issues/detail?id=197
[17:28] <Yosi123> SpamapS - des this look fine this is my apache2.conf   http://pastebin.ca/1911072
[17:29] <webPragmatist> is it possible to make dig show all the a records for a domain?
[17:29] <SpamapS> webPragmatist: its a harmless message
[17:29] <webPragmatist> SpamapS: that doesn't mean it should be allowed to fill up my logs with garbage
[17:31] <SpamapS> webPragmatist: if its happening a lot, then you can most certainly patch it. ;)
[17:31] <webPragmatist> yea it does
[17:31] <SpamapS> webPragmatist: looks like 3.3 came out last week
[17:32] <webPragmatist> http://cl.ly/48ee77b2abc8d80a11af
[17:32] <webPragmatist> every second for a period of times sometimes
[17:33] <webPragmatist> time*
[17:33] <webPragmatist> anyway my dig question is more important
[17:33] <SpamapS> webPragmatist: looks like the watch file on the mod-wsgi file is a tad broken...
[17:33] <SpamapS> webPragmatist: so the debian maintainer may not know that 3.3 is available
[17:33] <SpamapS> webPragmatist: you can certainly build your own 3.3 package and install it, which is what I'd suggest over manually patching
[17:34] <SpamapS> webPragmatist: unless you have a patch from somebody else that you know will work.
[17:34] <SpamapS> webPragmatist: dig can do an AXFR if the server allows it, but most servers do not.
[17:34] <SpamapS> webPragmatist: AXFR == zone transfer == "show me all your records"
[17:34] <webPragmatist> oh right
[17:35] <webPragmatist> for using failover dns
[17:35] <webPragmatist> or secondary dns
[17:35] <webPragmatist> rather
[17:35] <SpamapS> yes
[17:35] <SpamapS> tho I tend to agree with Dan Bernstein on this that AXFR is stupid and rsync over ssh is probably a better method.
[17:35] <webPragmatist> well it's not my dns server
[17:36] <SpamapS> which is why the admin probably doesn't want to show you all the records. ;)
[17:36] <webPragmatist> yea… i mean i could setup axfr… but for some reason i was thinking i could look up all the a records
[17:36] <webPragmatist> without some authoritative access
[17:37] <SpamapS> well some sites still do allow axfr to anybody
[17:37] <webPragmatist> well ours you have to setup and acl
[17:47] <dclake_> I cant connect to my ldap server I'm a newbie
[17:49] <webPragmatist> 4sure
[17:49] <zul> mathiaz: ping
[17:49] <mathiaz> zul: p/
[17:51] <webPragmatist> SpamapS: can i not just replace python with python3 from the repo/
[17:52] <SpamapS> webPragmatist: definitely not
[17:52] <SpamapS> webPragmatist: python3 is not entirely compatible with python2
[17:52] <zul> mathiaz; do we want smbk5pwd it looks like pulling in heimdal-dev then
[17:52] <mathiaz> zul: smbk5pwd is not enabled in openldap now IIRC
[17:53] <mathiaz> zul: are you looking at enabling the overlay?
[17:53] <zul> mathiaz: it is
[17:53] <webPragmatist> SpamapS:  ah i see
[17:53] <zul> mathiaz: in debian it is
[17:53] <mathiaz> zul: hm - it may have been a change in debian then
[17:54] <mathiaz> zul: we'd probably have to remove that build dependency then
[17:54] <mathiaz> zul: or check if it can be build with mit-dev instead
[17:54] <zul> mathiaz: k ill remove it
[17:55] <maek> Im trying to make a local install source for netboots from a lucid dvd I have mounted. in my apt-mirror config file I have deb file:/media/cdrom lucid main - when I run apt-mirror It says Proceed indexes: [Psh: cannot open file:/media/cdrom//dists/lucid/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: No such file but that file exists and I can gunzip -c Packages.gz and see all the meta data for packages. any idea?
[17:55] <maek> also when I copied the dvd source and shared it via http as an install source I get the same problem. corrupt maybe? but when I install from the same dvd no problems.
[18:06] <papertigers> what version of ubuntu does vmbuilder use when making a VM?
[18:06] <papertigers> nvm is that the suite option?
[18:10] <smoser> papertigers, vmbuilder runs on the host
[18:10] <smoser> you can specify the suite, and it will debootstrap a version of that suite.
[18:11] <caps_lock> UEC, Eucalyptus in Static mode, do I set the cloud storage control to use the bridge interface, or the physical interface included in the bridge?
[18:11] <papertigers> smoser: okay sweet, how do you give the vm a name?
[18:12] <smoser> i dont know what you mean by name
[18:12] <smoser> "bobby" is  a pretty good name
[18:12] <papertigers> as in virsh list shows me the vm's
[18:12] <papertigers> how do i set that name
[18:12] <smoser> i dont know. i know its in the libvirt xml.
[18:12] <smoser> but i dont' know if vmbuilder allows you to set that or not.
[18:13] <papertigers> smoser: foudn it
[18:13] <papertigers> in the man
[18:13] <papertigers> thanks
[18:17] <maek> maybe im going about this the wrong way. how do I take a dvd of lucid and convert it into a source I can use for network installs?
[18:27] <SpamapS> zul: where is the daily builds PPA for php?
[18:28] <zul> SpamapS: not there yet
[18:30] <SpamapS> zul: oh? that would be nice. ;)
[18:30] <zul> SpamapS: yes yes :)
[18:31] <ChmEarl> maek, cd /var/www; mkdir ubuntu;mount /dev/sdc /mnt/iso;cp -r /mnt/iso/* /var/www/ubuntu
[18:31] <ChmEarl> maek, then http://localhost/ubuntu  and bliss
[18:38] <papertigers> does anyone know or smoser how to tell the vm disk where to go, example I want it to be on my nfs server
[18:39] <Guest40049>  Hi, i have a pc with ubuntu server 10.04, it ran for month (before 10.04 with 8.04) but now the pc halt at the boot start. If i boot with a liveusb it just halt after selecting language and starting the installation. I'm sure the cpu temperature is right and the rams are ok. what can be the problem?
[18:50] <SpamapS> ugh.. I hate when people ask and bail in < 10 minutes
[19:09] <zul> SpamapS: welcome to ubuntu ;)
[19:14] <zul> SpamapS: can you keep an eye on those imap patches when it goes into php's svn repo?
[19:15] <zul> SpamapS: its going to be a while before debian upstream is going to accept them...they havent even though of moving to 5.3.3 yet
[19:16] <SpamapS> zul: yeah, I am subscribed to the php bug
[19:16] <zul> SpamapS: k....so am i
[19:16] <ivoks> just one? :)
[19:17] <zul> well....yeah...ubuntu-server-bugs gets all of it so I see it anyhow
[19:17]  * zul goes back to fixing php....<meek>yay</meek>
[19:18] <SpamapS> zul: the annotations patch is particularly sticky
[19:18] <zul> well if its all imap stuff then its not going into the the proper php package anyways
[19:19] <SpamapS> zul: Apparently upstream (uw-imap) won't accept annotation support until rfc5464 is ratified by the ietf
[19:19] <zul> SpamapS: meh
[19:21] <SpamapS> zul: no movement since 12/2008 .. This seems like Kolab's fight.. not ours.
[19:21] <zul> SpamapS: indeed...we just integrate
[19:21] <SpamapS> ScottK: did you see the update regarding c-client not supporting annotations?
[19:22] <ScottK> SpamapS: I saw that.  Is c-client part of php?
[19:22] <Daviey> SpamapS: well if we can help poke, we should - which is what you have done :)
[19:22]  * ScottK mostly knows about MTAs, not IMAP.
[19:23] <SpamapS> ScottK: no its the uw-imap client lib for IMAP
[19:23] <ScottK> Right.
[19:23] <ScottK> That patch is on kolab's list.
[19:24] <SpamapS> I'm happy to poke whoever you guys think I should poke, but I don't know if I'm sexy enough for the IETF ;)
[19:25] <ScottK> http://kolab.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs-kolab.cgi/server/patches/imap/
[19:25] <ScottK> SpamapS: What does "ratified" mean?
[19:25] <ScottK> That's not an IETF term.
[19:25] <ScottK> If it's got an RFC number, then it's been published.
[19:26] <SpamapS> ScottK: meaning instead of just a draft that people are working on, it is published as an official IETF RFC
[19:26] <SpamapS> hm
[19:26] <SpamapS> so maybe it got published and nobody told uw-imap ;)
[19:27] <SpamapS> indeed it has been published
[19:27] <SpamapS> http://ietfreport.isoc.org/idref/rfc5464/
[19:27] <talcite> Hey guys. I'm trying to resize a 2.5tb GPT partition into a 5tb one without destroying my data. The filesystem is OCFS2, so parted blows up when I try resize. Is there another tool I can use?
[19:29] <ScottK> SpamapS: It's a propsed standard, http://www.rfc-editor.org/categories/rfc-proposed.html, which in IETF terms is pretty standard.
[19:30] <ScottK> SpamapS: For comparison, that's as standard as RFC 2821/22.
[19:32] <SpamapS> ScottK: got a good primer on rfc procedures? i'm pretty ignorant on them
[19:32] <ScottK> SpamapS: I saw comments (I think in the Kolab vcs) that uw-imap upstream is pretty dead.  If the patches are "OK" with php upstream except needing polishing for configure time check for c-client, I think it might be ~OK for us to go ahead.
[19:32] <SpamapS> ScottK: agreed
[19:33] <ScottK> SpamapS: Not one that reflects reality (IETF is big on theory).  Bottom line is if "proposed standard" isn't enough for uw-imap, that's just a fancy way of saying "we aren't going to do it."
[19:34] <ScottK> SpamapS: The other question this brings up is, "If php needs c-client at build time for this to work, how are we going to build it in php5 without putting uw-imap in Main?"
[19:34] <ScottK> That may be a lot harder.
[19:37] <SpamapS> Source: php-imap
[19:38] <ScottK> Ah.  In Universe.  Cool then.
[19:38] <ScottK> Thanks.
[19:52] <SpamapS> Hmm, I wonder if I can make a collectd-plugins package like this php-imap pakage so we don't have to have all of collectd's dependencies in main
[19:56] <ScottK> SpamapS: You might also look at clamav and libclamunrar for example.
[19:57] <ScottK> SpamapS: What's the next step wrt the php packages?  If I get Kolab to commit to updating the patch to provide configure time checks, is that sufficient?
[20:01] <SpamapS> ScottK: I think that would go a long way to helping the developers move forward. Getting c-client's upstream to wake up and take the patch would be good too.
[20:01] <SpamapS> I'm shocked to hear that uw-imap's development is that dead
[20:02] <SpamapS> if so.. then it might make sense to simply fork it and suggest to PHP that they use the kolab-c-client
[20:02] <ScottK> I'll let the upstream's sort that out.  I don't feel guilty about patching our uw-imap in the meantime though.
[20:06] <RoyK> seems we might abandon our new 16 and 24 core machines in favour of GPUs
[20:06] <RoyK> it's bad - what are we to do with that old iron :D
[20:08] <Hellmark[S10e]> I'm running a couple servers with fresh installs, and having some issues with tftp-hpa
[20:08] <Hellmark[S10e]> it doesn't seem to log anything
[20:09] <Hellmark[S10e]> any idea?
[20:13] <ivoks> it doesn't log anything
[20:13] <ivoks> check /etc/default/tftpd-hpa
[20:13] <ivoks> you can add options to the daemon
[20:14] <ivoks> iirc, -v is for verbose loging
[20:14] <ScottK> SpamapS: I sent mail to the Kolab people.  Thanks for your help in this.
[20:15] <ivoks> right, -vvvv should do the trick :)
[20:17] <SpamapS> ScottK: no problem its been fun. :)
[20:18] <ScottK> RoyK: You can send it to me if you want.
[20:18] <RoyK> hehe
[20:44] <Hellmark[S10e]> invoks was helpful.
[20:45] <Hellmark[S10e]> although apparently it is picky about where you place the -vvvv
[20:45] <Hellmark[S10e]> have to do it right after the file name on the exec line, or else it gets ignored
[20:49] <lau> hi, I want to automatically blacklist / remove a kernel module nf_nat_sip at startup
[20:49] <lau> I created /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-mylis.conf
[20:50] <lau> remove nf_nat_sip /sbin/modprobe -r nf_nat_sip
[20:50] <lau> is that the right way to force the kernel not to load that module ever ?
[20:50] <lau> (i am running lucid)
[20:52] <soren> No.
[20:52] <soren> You probably want "blacklist nf_nat_sip"
[20:52] <soren> What you did told modprobe to remove nf_nat_sip every time you remove nf_nat_sip :)
[20:53] <lau> hello soren I already tried this one but after a reboot the module was loaded :(
[20:53] <webPragmatist> is bind9 required?
[20:53] <soren> required?
[20:54] <soren> For what?
[20:57] <pwnguin> judgement call question: i have a server running 9.10. is there much benefit from waiting for 10.04.1 vs upgrading now?
[20:57] <SpamapS> pwnguin: yes :)
[20:57] <pwnguin> and that would be?
[20:58] <SpamapS> pwnguin: a number of bugs have been fixed mostly.
[20:59] <pwnguin> dont i get them from a dist-upgrade anyways?
[21:00] <SpamapS> pwnguin: If you have some project that is blocked on moving forward, then yeah you should update, but if you just want the latest crack.. I'm not sure there's a compelling reason to push forward.
[21:00] <pwnguin> 10.04 is like 3 months old now
[21:00] <SpamapS> pwnguin: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-10.04.1
[21:00] <SpamapS> Take a look at the bugs listed there.
[21:02] <mathiaz> all the bugs in the list above marked as Fix Released are already in lucid now
[21:02] <mathiaz> the one marked as Fix Committed are currently sitting in lucid-proposed
[21:03] <mathiaz> pwnguin: so if you're not waiting for any bugs *not* marked as Fix Released then you can update to lucid now
[21:03] <mathiaz> SpamapS: 10.04.1 is just a reroll of the isos to include the current updates in lucid
[21:06] <mathiaz> pwnguin: and BTW if you've kept your system already up-to-date then you'll already have all the fixes
[21:06] <SpamapS> mathiaz: right, I guess my point is that the .1 release will have a number of bugs fixed, and if any of them might affect you, wait. :)
[21:07] <SpamapS> mathiaz: he will?
[21:07] <mathiaz> SpamapS: well - .1 will have all the fixes included *now* in lucid
[21:07] <mathiaz> SpamapS: yes - we don't publish new fixes on 10.04.1
[21:07] <SpamapS> SRU's go back to all releases?
[21:07] <mathiaz> SpamapS: Point releases are just an iso respin that include all updates published in lucid
[21:07] <SpamapS> I guess it makes sense.
[21:08] <mathiaz> SpamapS: when 10.04.1 is released there aren't any new updates that show up from nowhere
[21:09] <mathiaz> SpamapS: if you've installed 10.04 and upgrades as security/SRU have been rolled out, your system will be at 10.04.1 automatically
[21:09] <SpamapS> no
[21:09] <SpamapS> he has 9.10
[21:09] <mathiaz> SpamapS: point releases are really about iso (ie insallation media)
[21:09] <SpamapS> I was offering an opinion that may not be shared by all..
[21:10] <mathiaz> SpamapS: well - upgrades from 9.10 to lucid include SRU and updates IIRC
[21:11] <SpamapS> I guess to me, point releases are rallying points for bugs to be fixed by.
[21:11] <SpamapS> But I concede the point that ultimately, you can upgrade at any time and get *at least* the bugs that have been released up until now.
[21:11] <mathiaz> SpamapS: right.
[21:12] <SpamapS> I think we should probably *brace* for the impact of bugs from people rolling out 10.04.1
[21:12] <mathiaz> SpamapS: a point release in Ubuntu LTS is a rallying points for new installation
[21:12] <mathiaz> SpamapS: what will also happen at 10.04.1 is that upgrades from Hardy the last LTS will be enabled
[21:13] <SpamapS> does that mean that hardy users who do dist-upgrade will get moved up to lucid?
[21:13] <mathiaz> SpamapS: not dist-upgrade - via do-release-upgrade/update-manager
[21:14] <mathiaz> SpamapS: dist-upgrade is not recommended to perform an upgrade in Ubuntu
[21:14] <mathiaz> SpamapS: and dist-upgrade doesn't know about new releases
[21:14] <mathiaz> SpamapS: (ie sources.list won't be automatically modified)
[21:14] <SpamapS> thats what I thought.. wasn't sure. :)
[21:14] <SpamapS> have never used 'do-release-upgrade'
[21:15] <pwnguin> mathiaz: thanks. i thought as much but figured theres an angle i havent considered
[21:15] <SpamapS> In Debian land we always had to go into sources.list and change "slink" to "potato" and dist-upgrade. ;)
[21:15] <mathiaz> SpamapS: right - that's what do-release-upgrade does
[21:16] <pwnguin> and a few other things
[21:16] <mathiaz> SpamapS: it also has code to handle upgrade issues that are not supported by dist-upgrade
[21:16] <mathiaz> SpamapS: do-release-upgrade (and update-manager) can be thought as "executable release notes"
[21:16] <pwnguin> theres a pool of scripts it runs for no obvious place scripts
[21:18] <SpamapS> ah cool
[21:19] <SpamapS> somewhere during my webops experience I let go of ever upgrading a server again
[21:19] <SpamapS> current OS not doing what you want? Spin up latest stable OS that does do what you want, update config-mgmt to adapt to any changes, deploy onto new server, deprecate or reuse old server.
[21:20] <mathiaz> SpamapS: Velcoume 2 Ze Kloud...
[21:20] <SpamapS> came up with a server naming scheme that supported it too.... clustername-revname-id ... so  static-b-04 meant static cluster, OS rev b (CentOS 5.3 in this case), number 4
[21:21] <SpamapS> mathiaz: I was doing this with throw-away 1U's .. but yes.. ze kloud ist der makink it fashter
[21:22] <SpamapS> mathiaz: so .. collectd plugins.. what would you say to splitting it into its own source package, much like php-imap does?
[21:22] <SpamapS> mathiaz: at issue is the list of MIR-needing libs .. if we can just leave the plugins that need those libs out of main .. *win*
[21:31] <maccam94> i'm having trouble with nfs shares that mount at boot causing my system to hang
[21:34] <maccam94> they are mounted at /home and /usr/local, and it looks like mountall stops the boot process when they fail to mount
[21:53] <pwnguin> mathiaz: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-dfsg-5.1/+bug/551130
[21:53] <pwnguin> you know if that one's due to customization, or does it include default installs?
[22:03] <bogeyd6> Can someone recommend a better guide than https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBonding for ethernet bonding in ubuntu
[22:34] <doronba> hello, anyobody has experience with installing ubuntu 9.10 on vmware esx?
[22:35] <doronba> performance is rather slow and i wonder if anybody encountred an issue
[22:36] <ChmEarl> doronba, I run it paravirtual in Xen 4.0 with good results
[22:38] <doronba> ChmEarl , there are probably big enough differences that it wont compare, but did you tweak any setting on it? specifically Apache is running really slow, and cant get why.
[22:39] <ChmEarl> doronba, what choices in tasksel? I only run lamp+ubuntu server
[22:41] <lowridah> can you run an pv kernel in esxi?
[22:41] <doronba> ChmEarl basic, lamp, openssh
[22:42] <doronba> lowridah i dont actually know
[22:42] <lowridah> i prefer xen or xenserver since i can run most linuxes in pv
[22:42] <lowridah> xenserver is crazy slick
[22:43] <doronba> lowridah i should try it, however our production farm is vmware based.
[22:43] <doronba> and generally it rocks, i just cant figure if the problem is lamp based or host based
[22:44] <ScottK> SpamapS: I've never had an Ubuntu Server upgrade go bad where I used do-release-upgrade.
[22:45] <ChmEarl> doronba, create this file in your www root and run apache bench http://paste.ubuntu.com/470847/
[22:45] <ChmEarl> doronba,  $ab -n 2000 http://localhost/test.php
[22:46] <ChmEarl> doronba, once it runs redirect results to a file and pastebin.ubuntu.com
[22:48] <doronba> ChmEarl http://paste.ubuntu.com/470848/
[22:49] <ChmEarl> doronba, I get this http://paste.ubuntu.com/470850/ on a C2D 3.0 Ghz with LVM on Sata
[22:50] <ChmEarl> doronba, your document length should be 90kB, not 280b
[22:51] <doronba> ChmEarl where does it get this value then?
[22:51] <ChmEarl> doronba, if the doc length is 280b, then you are getting 404
[22:52] <doronba> right :)
[22:52] <papertigers> doronba: running in KVM runs fine
[22:52] <doronba> sorry one sec
[22:54] <doronba> ChmEarl http://paste.ubuntu.com/470853/
[22:55] <ChmEarl> doronba, the transfer rate is on par with 100Mb network and # of requests is OK
[22:57] <doronba> but it doesnt engage the network device right?
[22:57] <ChmEarl> doronba, but that ran on localhost... across the network will be lower
[22:57] <SpamapS> ScottK: Yeah, I'm not saying upgrades are bad for servers. I'm saying, in a high churn webops environment, where I've spent a large amount of my time managing servers, upgrades are sort of pointless.
[22:58] <doronba> ChmEarl i should test it via network see what kind of result i get
[22:58] <ScottK> SpamapS: I think it tends to go better in Ubuntu than other distros.  For most I wouldn't even attempt it.
[22:58] <ChmEarl> doronba, next you can run apache bench on another VM
[22:58] <doronba> i think once it passes through the NIC all kinds of weird stuff happens
[22:59] <SpamapS> ScottK: yes, every debian shop I ever managed, (ubuntu server didn't exist back then) would always just upgrade when the stable releases arrived.
[22:59] <ChmEarl> doronba, run ab on another VM and point it back to your target VM
[22:59] <doronba> ChmEarl, yup trying to set this up
[23:00] <SpamapS> ScottK: but when you're scaling up and out.. and moores law means leaving a 3 year old server on *costs* you money.. upgrades are pointless.
[23:00] <ScottK> Right.  Generally with servers as long as what you have is still supported for security, unless you need something new, staying with what's working is best.
[23:01] <SpamapS> ScottK: case in point, last company bought a pair of $30kUS servers for MySQL in 2005, and then in 2008, a pair of $30kUS servers for mysql.. that had *6 times the RAM* and CPU's that were 3x faster, and 2x the drive bays.. oh, and that used about 10% less power.
[23:01] <ScottK> Right.
[23:02] <SpamapS> But, if you have a flat load and are more focused around having a stable server that never goes away.. upgrades that go well are as sweet as honey.
[23:03] <ScottK> I have a development server that I upgrade every 6 months.  The rest I just run on LTS (I have already upgraded to Lucid though).
[23:06] <SpamapS> yeah, traditional shops will upgrade. especially if they do something like install 6 - 9 months before LTS..
[23:06] <SpamapS> If I had been evaluationg Ubuntu Server this time last year, I'd have chosen Karmic, not Hardy
[23:07] <SpamapS> figuring that an upgrade would be smooth and I could get the newer features that it already had.
[23:07] <doronba> ChmEarl  http://paste.ubuntu.com/470855
[23:07] <doronba> these are results from a machine on the same lan
[23:08] <doronba> its a jump on Timeper request
[23:08] <ChmEarl> doronba,  3.4 MB/s transfer is poor, but thee are no errors
[23:09] <doronba> yes, so my hunch is with the negotiation with the switch where the problem is
[23:09] <ChmEarl> doronba, for pv to pv VM I get about 28MB/s on a gb network
[23:10] <ChmEarl> doronba, apache2 is not the problem if a straight file transfer speed is similar
[23:12] <doronba> ChmEarl it is on a gb network, something is wrong with network engotiation, ill look deeper. thank you for all the help
[23:14] <ChmEarl> doronba, np
[23:21] <ChmEarl> doronba, can you tell what ethernel driver karmic uses? lsmod
[23:24] <Nwallins> Hi, I used the alternate install disc for meerkat to get a minimal install
[23:24] <doronba> ChmEarl http://paste.ubuntu.com/470859/ results
[23:24] <Nwallins> but it is installing a bunch of stuff.  i wasn't asked for a software selection
[23:24] <Nwallins> i am getting compiz, erlang, a bunch of stuff i don't want
[23:25] <ChmEarl> doronba, pcnet32
[23:25] <Nwallins> is that the way the alternate install disc is supposed to work?
[23:26] <Nwallins> i really just want miminal + xorg + lxde
[23:27] <ChmEarl> doronba, sometimes there are other drivers which work better in karmic
[23:28] <doronba> ChmEarl nay tips how do i go testing this?
[23:28] <lowridah> Nwalins:  why not install server+ubuntu-desktop?
[23:29] <lowridah> oh
[23:29] <lowridah> lxde
[23:29] <ChmEarl> doronba, if you can specify a driver in esx, then as long as karmic supports it, try it
[23:29] <wizardslovak> hello people
[23:29] <doronba> will give it a try
[23:30] <wizardslovak> is there any GUI for managing apache and samba ?
[23:36] <fluvvell> gidday, I'm just doing some maintenance on friends dead pc and thought I'd boot a live  10.04 cd.  It brings up a 10.04 login prompt, username of ubuntu and nothing does not log it in. Anyone seen this before?
[23:40] <lau> identify quiky*
[23:41] <ChmEarl> doronba, see post #7 here: http://newyork.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1421399 they got vmxnet3 driver working