[00:44] <joe_2010> Hello all!
[00:45] <joe_2010> Will the BtrFS be supported soon on the/all of Ubuntu's distros, more or less soon!?
[00:48] <Daekdroom> joe_2010, support is on its way into 10.10.
[00:49] <joe_2010> Ah, I see...  Ok, thanks!
[05:39] <cjae> anyone here a kde user if so running kde 4.5 without hitch?
[05:40] <cjae> 4.5 rc2
[05:42] <cjae> is there a kubuntu+1?
[06:06] <cjae_> anyone usng kde4.5rc2?
[07:57] <sinurge> hi, big issue, i dw the 10.10 alpha 2 64bit..it boots up but if you click "try ubuntu" it goes to a freeze with a X mouse pointer or "install ubuntu" and it goes to a  freeze post nw time sync
[08:10] <sinurge> repeat, i dw the 10.10 alpha 2 64bit..it boots up but if you click "try ubuntu" it goes to a freeze with a X mouse pointer or "install ubuntu" and it goes to a  freeze post nw time sync
[08:45] <pawan> hi
[08:45] <pawan> whats up
[08:45] <pawan> pawan here
[08:48] <alakhia> i don't have sound with kubuntu maverick ... how can I troubleshoot please?
[09:44] <KE1HA> Does anyone know if the 10.10 RC's have fixed the Intel I855 Black Screen Issues ?
[11:31] <sinurge> need lucid support anyone there?
[11:31] <sinurge> sorry maverick support
[11:32] <yofel> wth, monospace suddenly looks really squashed here o.O
[11:32] <yofel> !anyone
[11:33] <sinurge> got maverick alpha2, on booting i dont get ahead of sysn netwok time
[11:34] <sinurge> i did f6 when the cd was booking and got the options screen, then selected try ubuntu (live desktop) with options pci=nomsi it goes ahead with the dots blinking but nothing happnens
[11:35] <sinurge> yofel: anychance you can help?
[11:36] <yofel> well, don't think so, but did you see if X started on another vt? (8 maybe) how long did you wait? (and wth does nomsi mean?)
[11:38] <sinurge> i waiting for about 10 minutes, cd blinking was all very standard and the hdd indicator was on
[11:39] <sinurge> pci=nomsi is a kernal boot line that i have to put to boot ubuntu on both jaunty and lucid installations on the computer
[11:39] <sinurge> otherwise i never get to the login prompt
[12:34] <aboSamoor>  Hi, I pulled the latest unity version, but still away from this screenshot http://dl.dropbox.com/u/217582/Files%20Shared%20from%20GNOME%20Do/unity_dash01-1951205588.jpg ?
[12:36] <ikonia> aboSamoor: what are you actually asking ?
[12:37] <Euthanatos> projectM 2.0 has been out for over a year now will 10.10 include it or is there a reason it wasn't bothered with in lucid?
[12:37] <aboSamoor> ikonia, how can i get that version of unity ?
[12:37] <ikonia> Euthanatos: maybe no-ones packaged it, it's that simple
[12:37] <ikonia> aboSamoor: what version is it ?
[12:37] <ikonia> Euthanatos: log a feature request on luanchpad
[12:37] <aboSamoor> ikonia, i do not know
[12:37] <ikonia> launchpad even
[12:38] <ikonia> aboSamoor: ok....so how you know you have the wrong version ?
[12:39] <aboSamoor> I do not have wrong one, but I am trying to find the one in the screenshot
[12:40] <ikonia> aboSamoor: so if you don't have the wrong one....you have the right one, so what's the problem
[12:40] <aboSamoor> ikonia, it does not look like the screenshot
[12:40] <Euthanatos> I'm wondering if it might have something to do with this: "If you would like to use the new Milkdrop 2.0 support, remember to install the Nvidia Cg toolkit, enable USE_CG during compilation, and install the Milkdrop 2.0 presets." - from sourceforge projectM updates page
[12:40] <ikonia> aboSamoor: ok, so contact the person who's screen shot it is, and ask them what theme they are using
[12:40] <ikonia> Euthanatos: doubtful
[12:41] <Euthanatos> ok thanks
[14:14] <shadeslayer> anyone around to help me with nvidia-current?
[14:14] <shadeslayer> !nvidia
[14:15] <shadeslayer> aha^
[14:32] <om26er> with compiz, changing theme does not change window border
[14:33] <om26er> anyone know where the bug is. or maybe the bug number ;)
[14:42] <rye> Is it only me or Ambiance theme buttons look like they are missing the texture and task bar buttons are extremely light in Maverick? Is this a theme issue?
[16:07] <knittl> hi. is libept0 save to remove or should i wait until the dependency conflict resolves itself?
[16:27] <yofel> knittl: libept0 should be safe to remove as libept1 should be used now
[16:28] <knittl> yofel: ok great. thx
[16:36] <alakhia> i don't have sound with kubuntu maverick ... how can I troubleshoot please?
[16:38] <alakhia> under mixer, i see 2 devices: radeon x1200 (hdmi) and internal audio
[16:38] <alakhia> both are unmuted
[16:38] <alakhia> yet, no sound
[16:41] <penguin42> alakhia: You could try lsof /dev/snd/* as root to see if anything has the devices open
[16:42] <alakhia> i see 4 entries .... all of them by pulseaudio
[16:43] <penguin42> oh ok, I didn't realise KDE used pa
[16:44] <alakhia> ok, what next? is the sound going to HDMI? That wouldn't work since I don't have any hdmi device connected
[16:44] <penguin42> what does pactl stat say?
[16:45] <penguin42> in particular the Default sink
[16:45] <shadeslayer> where would the default args for passing to chromium be stored btw?
[16:45] <shadeslayer> there was a file afaik
[16:45] <alakhia> Default Sink: alsa_output.pci-0000_00_14.2.analog-stereo
[16:46] <penguin42> alakhia: And what does lspci show as device 00:14 ?
[16:46] <penguin42> shadeslayer: /etc/chromium-browser/default
[16:46] <shadeslayer> penguin42: thanks
[16:47] <alakhia> 00:14 has 5 sub entries from .0 to .4
[16:47] <penguin42> what's number 2 ?
[16:47] <alakhia> 14.2 is Audio device: ATI Technologoes Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
[16:48] <penguin42> and what does 14.0 show?
[16:48] <alakhia> PCI bridge: ATI Tech Device 7914
[16:48] <yofel> alakhia: did you try to move 'Internal Audio' to the top of the list in the KDE multimedia settings?
[16:49] <penguin42> alakhia: OK, so that's likely the internal audio is the default sink; so at least PA thinks it is using the internal
[16:50] <alakhia> in multimedia settings, clicking test on internal works
[16:50] <alakhia> :)
[16:50] <alakhia> i'll move it up and see
[16:53] <alakhia> still can't hear audio from firefox youtube
[16:53] <yofel> hm, works here though
[16:55] <alakhia> let me try a local audio file
[16:55] <penguin42> alakhia: Try opening a shell and doing pasuspender /bin/cat    now leave that there, and try and open a new youtube page
[16:55] <yofel> here the hdmi sink was preferred too and I had no sound, I set the default to prefer Internal audio (PA I guess) and now it works
[16:59] <alakhia> local audio via vlc doesn't work
[17:00] <alakhia> nothing shows up pasuspender either
[17:00] <yofel> hm, didn't try vlc, let's see
[17:00] <penguin42> alakhia: ok, close that pasuspender with ctrl-d  other wise it will confuse you more
[17:00] <yofel> alakhia: can you check in the vlc audio settings if it's using pulseaudio for output?
[17:01] <yofel> 'Default' should work too (at least it does here)
[17:03] <alakhia>  vlc shows 'Default'
[17:05] <yofel> hm... can you set internal audio as the preferred output for all phonon catergories maybe?
[17:05] <penguin42> alakhia: Can you get the output of pactl list tto a pastebin
[17:06] <yofel> penguin42: I doubt that the problem is on the PA side, esp. since he said that pressint 'Test' works
[17:06] <yofel> *pressing
[17:08] <penguin42> yofel: Ah good point, I was wondering about something as simple as what volume it thinks it is
[17:13] <alakhia> sorry ... battery died
[17:15] <alakhia> booted back up and now kde's audio settings are back where internal audio is 2nd
[17:42] <gnomefreak> anyone else having issues updating packages? update works great but trying to download all fails
[17:42] <gnomefreak> at least the official repos. trying a different mirror
[17:43] <gnomefreak> it was the mirror
[17:43] <penguin42> gnomefreak: Yeh I had a problem before; got a complaint about keys (invalid key? or something?) and a package failed to install - but it seems to be OK now
[17:44] <gnomefreak> penguin42: 404  Not Found [IP: 212.219.56.135 80]   using the gb.archive.... mirrors
[17:44] <penguin42> oh didn't get that
[17:44] <IdleOne> testing now
[17:44] <IdleOne> it is very slow
[17:44] <gnomefreak> dropping the gb. from repos worked
[17:44] <IdleOne> but I also have a download going
[17:45] <gnomefreak> i pinged it and only got 7% loss
[17:46] <IdleOne> seems to be dowloading the packages fine, slow for sure but is working here
[17:47] <gnomefreak> mine wasnt too much slower than normal
[17:47] <IdleOne> like I said the speed is expected due to my download but don't have any issues
[17:47] <gnomefreak> i know apt is a problem seems its a depends issue
[17:48] <gnomefreak> hmmm maybe not
[17:49] <gnomefreak> dropping libept0 but it is going to install libept1. but i will test it here
[17:49] <IdleOne> 17 updates installed without problem
[17:49] <gnomefreak> next is sound issue :(
[17:49] <IdleOne> sorry gnomefreak can't confirm
[17:50] <gnomefreak> IdleOne: it removed libept0 but installed libept1
[17:50] <gnomefreak> renaming package was issue
[17:50] <IdleOne> hmm 7 packages were not installed, yup it wants to remove libept0
[17:51] <gnomefreak> its good to remove
[17:51] <IdleOne> removing it.
[17:51] <IdleOne> will see what happens
[17:52] <IdleOne> The following packages will be upgraded:
[17:52] <IdleOne>   apt apt-transport-https apt-utils aptitude libept1 python-apt synaptic
[17:52] <gnomefreak> it was replaced by libept1
[17:52] <IdleOne> yup
[17:52] <gnomefreak> same package new version
[17:52] <IdleOne> no errors
[17:52] <IdleOne> so still good to go
[17:54] <gnomefreak> can anyone confirm bug 455420?
[17:55] <gnomefreak> why was there supposed to be a key change
[17:56] <gnomefreak> gpg: key 437D05B5: "Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>" not changed
[17:56] <gnomefreak> there are 2
[17:56] <IdleOne> same here
[17:57] <penguin42> gnomefreak: I was having the mute at login but it seems to have stopped for the last week or so
[17:57] <IdleOne> not sure why but I assume if they were unchanged it is because they didn't change
[17:57] <gnomefreak> i still cant get rid of it. clean install and clean upgrade it still happens
[17:59] <IdleOne> I have been having an issue booting to gui with the past 4-5 kernels. I have to login to text mode then startx
[18:00] <penguin42> have't seen that; I still have to change the set gfxmode=
[18:00] <IdleOne> besides that no issues
[18:00] <IdleOne> I get a black screen otherwise
[18:00] <gnomefreak> i saw that once or twice but has cleared up. but i wasnt able to get into a TTY at all when it happened
[18:00] <penguin42> IdleOne: Which card?
[18:01] <IdleOne> nVidia Corporation C61 [GeForce 6150SE nForce 430] (rev a2)
[18:01] <gnomefreak> nvidia 6200 here
[18:02] <penguin42> Radeon here
[18:16] <alakhia_> i have sound now ... thanks penguin42 and yofel
[18:17] <penguin42> alakhia_: How did you fix it?
[18:17] <alakhia_> it was having to set the phonon settings in kde
[18:17] <alakhia_> set analog as the preferred device and now it seems to have taken it
[18:18] <alakhia_> thanks for all the help both of you
[18:18] <penguin42> no problem
[18:51] <yofel> wth..
[18:51] <penguin42> ?
[18:52] <yofel> the screen on my notebook just froze except that I can still move the mouse
[18:52] <penguin42> I've seen X crashes like that before and never understood them
[18:52] <yofel> the last thing in .xsession-errors (fetched over ssh) is
[18:52] <yofel> *** NSPlugin Viewer  *** ERROR: NPN_InvalidateRect() invoke: Message timeout
[18:53] <penguin42> it's difficult to know if that was a symptom or cause though
[18:53] <yofel> well, it did happen after clicking on a picture in firefox, but that has nothing to do with that thing...
[18:53] <yofel> symptom I guess
[18:54] <yofel> oh GREAT
[18:54] <yofel> my stupid 'swap everything in memory out after waking up from suspend' is back on my eeePC -.-
[18:55]  * gnomefreak guessing you are on 64bit and nspluginwrapper crashed
[18:55] <gnomefreak> not sure why the screen going blank
[18:55] <penguin42> but nspluginwrapper crashes don't normally take out the whole of X
[18:55] <gnomefreak> i know
[18:57] <yofel> why the hell is it swapping?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/471547/ I have swappiness set to 0 btw..
[18:57] <penguin42> well something is using lots of RAM
[18:58] <penguin42> you're 820M into swap so it's not a tiny thing either
[18:59] <yofel> well, I have 1GiB of memory free..
[18:59] <yofel> and before I suspended I had no swap usage at all
[18:59] <penguin42> yofel: Well you do then; you didn't at some point
[19:00] <yofel> hm, running strace on the frozen X give me http://paste.ubuntu.com/471547/ o.O
[19:01] <penguin42> that's your free
[19:01] <yofel> eek
[19:01] <yofel> http://paste.ubuntu.com/471551/
[19:03] <yofel> like 100 lines per second and no output except for that
[19:03] <yofel> well, except if I move the mouse or press something on the keyboard, so it's not completely frozen
[19:04] <yofel> ah, seems like kwin froze solid
[19:04] <yofel> restart_syscall(<... resuming interrupted call ...>
[19:07] <penguin42> yofel: If it happens again I would be tempted to gdb attach to X (from a text terminal) and get a backtrace
[19:07] <yofel> well, I still have the freeze open (I'm on my netbook now)
[19:07] <yofel> let's try gdb
[19:09] <yofel> well, that gives me a trace from within nvidia -.-
[19:09] <yofel> ah well, I'll just kill it
[19:47] <LucidFox> Is there a way to remove that blue indicator with a spready-arms person from the panel?
[19:48] <penguin42> doesn't actually have that on either of his machines; so I'll answer yes without knowing any more on the basis that it's gone from mine
[20:30] <crimsun> DanaG: what do you need WRT pulse?  (from earlier in the week)
[20:38] <penguin42> crimsun: Do you generally care about moans in /var/log/user.log if everything is actually apparently working ok?
[20:39] <crimsun> penguin42: yes, but they may not be muzzled
[20:39] <crimsun> are the moans the sort of asyncq.c or the sort of alsa-util.c?
[20:40] <penguin42> crimsun: I've got one of the oldee 'ALSA woke us up to write new data to the device, but there was actually nothing to write!' (alsa-sink.c), followed by a 'Most likely this is a bug in the ALSA driver 'snd_hda_intel' followed by a 'We were woken up with POLLOUT set -- however a subsequent snd_pcm_avail() returned 0 or another value < min_avail.'  and then I've got  abunch of ratelimit.c 'events suppressed' entries every so often
[20:41] <crimsun> penguin42: hmm, anything even slightly correlated to the ratelimit.c warnings?
[20:41] <crimsun> stuttering, popping, etc.
[20:41] <penguin42> crimsun: No
[20:42] <crimsun> still a bug in alsa-driver, regardless :/
[20:42] <penguin42> crimsun: They are pulseaudio[2011]: ratelimit.c: 955 events suppressed  ; I've got one at 18:13 (955 events), one at 18:35 with 904, one at 773 at 19:38 and one at 20:23 with 703 events
[20:43] <penguin42> I've been listening to ogg's via Exaile and watching some flash videos on and off over that time
[20:43] <crimsun> I'd report it still.
[20:44] <penguin42> one report for all of that ?
[20:45] <penguin42> I'm subscribed to bug 320875 which is pretty ancient
[20:46] <crimsun> penguin42: your hda controller and codec have to match the reporter's precisely
[20:46] <crimsun> otherwise you really need to file a separate bug report
[20:46] <penguin42> ah ok
[20:47] <penguin42> what package should I file it against? pa? linux? One of the alsa ones?
[20:48] <crimsun> ubuntu-bug alsa-base
[20:48] <penguin42> ok
[20:48] <crimsun> it's an alsa-driver Feature
[20:52] <penguin42> crimsun: Bug 612122
[20:53] <penguin42> (At least I assume it's moaning about the hda I'm using and not the hdmi one that isn't used)
[20:54] <crimsun> thanks
[21:04] <duffydack> This isnt a snipe at anyone but I think the 'controls' in the new volume applet need to be smaller and more refined.. maybe they arent a permanent fixture anyway but I`m just adding my 2p worth.
[21:04] <crimsun> duffydack: please file a bug for that, then.
[21:05] <stukad> whats the difference with 10.10 alpha 1, alpha 2 and the daily build found at: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ ?
[21:05] <vershan> how do i  upgrade to 10.10 alpha 2
[21:06] <penguin42> vershan: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/alpha2
[21:06] <coz_> vershan,   sudo update-manager -d
[21:07] <vershan> yeah ive done that and have alpha 1
[21:07] <vershan> how do i upgrade to alpha 2
[21:07] <coz_> vershan,  if that didnt do it then something is up...is alpha 2 out already?
[21:07] <vershan> yeah
[21:07] <coz_> vershan,  then that should have updated it
[21:07] <coz_> vershan,   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:08] <yofel> !final
[21:08] <yofel> er.. that needs fixing..
[21:08] <yofel> jussi: ^
[21:08] <stukad> whats the difference between alpha 2 and the daily build found at: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ ?
[21:08] <vershan> thanks ill check guys
[21:09] <yofel> stukad: aplha2 is the daily build of July 1st
[21:09] <stukad> and the "current" one got released today?
[21:10] <yofel> yes, the isos are rebuild every day (if possible)
[21:10] <coz_> stukad,   that doesnt necessarily mean  the daily will work
[21:10] <yofel> so you should use the current iso, but we don't give any guarantee that it works at all
[21:10] <stukad> oh
[21:10] <coz_> ^^ :)
[21:11] <stukad> are you guys on 10.10 atm?
[21:11] <yofel> for the alphaX snapshots we at least try to make sure that it works somewhat
[21:11] <Volkodav> I could not install from daily 3 days ago - alternate
[21:11] <yofel> stukad: yes
[21:11] <Volkodav> had to use alpha 2
[21:11] <Volkodav> and then update
[21:11] <coz_> frankly I would no install daily   ...think of it as the time of experimentation between alphas :)
[21:12] <vershan> how to check which alpha version is in use
[21:12] <yofel> vershan: impossible, they're just snapshots of maverick on a specific date
[21:12] <vershan> ahhhhhhhhh, now i get it
[21:13] <yofel> vershan: so you're only running alpha2 if you installed maverick on July 1st and never installed any updates
[21:13] <stukad> so if i go ahead installing alpha2, would i need to burn/usb + format/reinstall to get the stable version ones it's out, or could i just grab it with dist-upgrade within alpha 2?
[21:13] <vershan> ok
[21:13] <coz_> stukad,  from alpha 2  to release you mean?
[21:13] <stukad> yes coz_
[21:14] <yofel> stukad: just installing updates is fine, though a fresh install might be cleaner (no obsolete libs that were replaced, etc.)
[21:14] <penguin42> stukad: No, it wil lupdate most stuff - there are normally a few small differences that get left around
[21:14] <coz_> stukad,  my opinion ...play with what you have indljcing updates until release
[21:14] <coz_> including
[21:14] <penguin42> stukad: If you've got alpha 1 installed you might want to remove the unclutter package
[21:14] <coz_> and as mentioned   ...then download final and reinstall fresh
[21:16] <stukad> well im at 10.4 atm. so i guess i stick with it until the final release of 10.10
[21:16] <coz_> stukad,  sounds like a good idea :)
[21:18] <yofel> stukad: if you want to try maverick in a vm you could use testdrive, that will sync the daily iso and attempt to boot it in kvm
[21:20] <stukad> well im just looking forward to try out TRIM for ssd's in maverick. cba to do it with a testdrive :/
[21:22] <yofel> oh, that won't work in a vm obviously ^^ - but you should wait at least until beta if it's the first time you're using a devel release
[21:33] <yofel> heh, just booted the live from today and got 'The installer encountered an unrecoverable error', then failsave-x, choosing to run it in low res does nothing - sudo startx from vt gets me into a session, but I get dbus errors when I try to open ubiquity, nice...
[23:13] <penguin42> anyone else having problems with f-spot imports?