[01:17] <kees> superm1: in lucid, mk-sbuild changed a lot (default names of schroots always have -$arch appended) but that shouldn't have broken old schroots
[01:17] <kees> superm1: that said, I have been having to tweak my /etc/schroot/schroot.conf with ever new major version of schroot
[01:26] <picard1421> http://pastebin.com/c5Va7nSY why is this not compiling?
[01:40] <YokoZar> slangasek: Do you think we'll be able to start breaking up ia32-libs this release or is that the next phase of multiarch?
[01:41] <ion> I was happy to see there’s some progress with multiarch spec.
[01:49] <picard1421> anyoe?
[01:55] <maxwellian> picard1421: I got here after you asked your question, can you repeat it?  I'm very new, so there's about a one in a million chance that I could help, but we can try. :P
[02:13] <picard1421> http://pastebin.com/c5Va7nSY  why is this not compiling?
[02:13] <sladen> picard1421: first off, it's not a good idea to be running as root!  Please consider working as your own user, in your own home directory
[02:14] <picard1421> i tried that
[02:14] <picard1421> but since i did not extract it on ..
[02:14] <picard1421> my drive i extracted on windows.. permission were messed up
[02:14] <picard1421> i changed everything to 777 just for the pure purpose i want this to run .. i can redo it all later im wiping this install once i figure out how to compile this.. anyway..
[02:14] <picard1421> and redoing it completely
[02:14] <sladen> picard1421: chown -R yourusername.yourusername the-messed-up-directory
[02:15] <sladen> ahhhh.  Are you trying to compile this on a FAT partition?
[02:15] <picard1421> yea
[02:15] <sladen> okay.
[02:16] <sladen> picard1421: 1. logout from root, login as yourself,   2. go to your home directory, make a new directory, cd into that
[02:16] <sladen> picard1421: 3. cp -a ../../somewhere/ ./here
[02:16] <picard1421> k
[02:17] <picard1421> ok?
[02:17] <sladen> picard1421: so we're in your home directory (which is not a FAT partition), the copied tree is owned by *you* (not root) and isn't 777 ?
[02:18] <slangasek> YokoZar: pam and libselinux are at the top of the list of packages to convert, and both of those are in ia32-libs today; so if we succeed in delivering any multiarch support, yes, we can start trimming ia32-libs
[02:18] <picard1421> yes
[02:18] <sladen> picard1421: does  'make all'  work now?
[02:19] <YokoZar> slangasek: I'll note that PAM probably doesn't work properly in ia32-libs as it is now anyway (https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ia32-libs/+bug/172400)
[02:19] <picard1421> nope
[02:19] <picard1421> still same errors
[02:19] <slangasek> YokoZar: yes, I'm aware
[02:19] <sladen> picard1421: delete  (rm -r that);  tar zxvf it again, fresh, into a directory in your home directory
[02:19] <sladen> picard1421: ah, we're on #ubuntu-devel, lets take this private
[02:21] <YokoZar> slangasek: Anyway, I'll keep an eye out and maybe help migrate some packages to multiarch once it becomes possible :)
[02:21] <slangasek> that would be keen
[05:36] <superm1> kees, okay i'll mess around a little bit with it.  worst comes to worst i'll just nuke em and make new schroot's
[08:03] <mage7> hello....i am still looking for an idea for a college  project for 3 ppl...if any of you have an idea of any module you would like in ubuntu pls suggest
[09:14] <mage8> hello....i am still looking for an idea for a college project for 3 ppl...if any of you have an idea\module you would like in ubuntu please suggest
[09:56] <judgen> mage8, How about a dock that can be used with windowmanagers that enforces borders. This could be achieved with "override_redirect"
[09:57] <judgen> Cairo-dock and awn work very poorly on those ytpe of envoriments.
[10:05] <mage8> judgen...thanks for reply...i dont know whether it is suitable as a project..i have to see how large it is
[10:09] <mage8> would'nt a patch to Cairo-dock or awn be a more appropriate repsonse
[10:11] <judgen> mage8, maybe, i am not sure.
[11:24] <LucidFox> I've been wondering
[11:24] <LucidFox> what prevents GPL-like licenses from being revoked?
[11:28] <judgen> LucidFox, Nothing per se, but the source that is under GPL is still available for usage and forking.
[11:28] <judgen> You can not take back the code that is allready released.
[11:29] <judgen> Compareable to a sales contract
[11:31] <LucidFox> So, what will happen if a copyright holder tries to declare the terms under which they released their works void, and to prohibit existing users from exercising their GPL rights?
[11:31] <LucidFox> they can't do that?
[11:33] <ansgar> LucidFox: They cannot do that for old releases, only for new ones.
[11:34] <ansgar> LucidFox: The GPL even states 'All rights granted [...] are irrevocable provided the stated conditions are met.'
[11:39] <mage8> LucidFox:you cant go back on what you already agreed upon...thats like breaking the terms of the contract you have already signed
[11:40] <mage8> however, if say you 're the sole copyright holder of the program and you release version 1.0 as gpl
[11:41] <mage8> and you make modifications to it and release v2.0 under some other license ...that should be perfectly legal and enforcable iif am not mistaken
[11:42] <mage8> however those got v1.0 under gpl are still under the terms of gpl
[11:44] <mage8> in the case of linux however which has the contributions of thousands of people...there can be no change of license unless each and every contributer agrees to the new license
[14:08] <smmalmansoori> hi
[14:10] <smmalmansoori> i want to program a small feature for ubuntu and submit it
[14:10] <smmalmansoori> can someone answer me a couple of question so I can go about it please?
[15:05] <ronnie> Guys I found a problem in casper
[15:05] <ronnie> on ubuntu 10.04
[15:07] <ronnie> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9649581#post9649581
[15:08] <ion> Please use Launchpad for bug reports.
[15:09] <ronnie> I dont know if its a bug yet, or what the bug is about
[15:09] <ronnie> hopeing someone coudl enlighten me
[17:42] <abhijit> hello all
[17:42] <abhijit> :)
[18:06] <njin> hello everybody
[18:06] <ion> good news, everyone
[18:09] <njin> SPArc isn't supported anymore??
[18:10] <geser> for are long time already not anymore
[18:19] <ion> blackz: Wouldn’t it be nicer to put a single copy of ppa-purge to universe instead of having copies of it in a number of PPAs?
[18:20] <BlackZ> ion: it's already in universe
[18:22] <ion> blackz: Ah, a binary package hasn’t just reached my mirror yet. I only looked at “apt-cache policy ppa-purge” and made an invalid assumption. Sorry for the noise. :-)
[18:27] <BlackZ> ion: the binary package needs to be manually approved by an archive admin at this moment (it's in the NEW queue)
[18:29] <BlackZ> s/approved/accepted
[18:40] <ion> Aye
[18:53] <alkisg> Tuxpaint and tuxtype were demoted from main to universe and the translations are missing (stripped), so they *only* need a reuploading. Is that possible, or some other method applies better? Besides reporting the problem (bug #503919), can we do anything to help with its resolution?
[18:53] <Aquina> Isn't there an inofficial SPARC group which partially keeps the things running. I think I heard about that...
[18:56] <jpds> Aquina: Yes, but it's unmaintained.
[19:22] <mage8> looking for college project ideas....if anyone has any thing they would like to see implemented please give suggestions
[19:24] <ion> mage8: Bug 1
[19:25] <mage8> sorry didnt get the joke
[19:26] <ion> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1 would be nice to get fixed finally.
[19:28] <mage8> well we've to finish the project in 1 sem....unless we crash bill gates private yacht laden with explosives into redmond i dont think we would be able to finish the project in time
[19:29] <alkisg> You could create a virus that transmutes all windows installations to ubuntu installations :D
[19:29] <alkisg> *transformes
[19:30] <alkisg> mage8: you need to be more specific, but I doubt if that's the correct channel anyway..
[19:31] <alkisg> E.g. a programming project? In which languages, toolkits etc?
[19:32] <mage8> well we're not really specific about topic...1. we're quite noob coders...2. 3 in a team...3. have 1 sem to finish(the next sem) 4. it should qualify as a project(that is it should not be something like bugfix or implement a small feature)
[19:32] <mage8> language toolkits not specific...we look to learn the languages,frameworks in this sem and start coding next sem
[19:33]  * alkisg doesn't know which channel would be appropriate for that question, but maybe someone in #edubuntu has some idea, if you ask at weekdays...
[19:34] <mage8> well we've to submit abstract on monday
[19:34] <mage8> and yeah i know we left it for the last moment
[19:37] <mage8> hmmm...scanning through ubuntu's gsoc page
[19:45] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> hello guys
[19:45] <mage8> going  to bed ...to wake up in 4 hours
[19:47] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> seems some people were wrong here, ubuntu iphone will never be possible, once again people like me and James that has been kicked when asking help talking about the project of porting ubuntu on iphone, were right to only listen to themselves
[19:48] <Aquina> hello, jacquesdptd_iP-1
[19:48] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> Cause, yes iX has done it, and James has completed the project and has or is on the point of releasing the first downloadable image :)
[19:49] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> i hope you take it as a good news, cause further help after seeing it is a real thing will be much appreciated
[19:50] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> Hi Aquina
[19:50] <Aquina> iPhone sucks. It's a nightmare to integrate it into an already established IT-landscape. Blackberrys integrate much more seamless. And by the way... Apple is on it's way to close all it's stuff. UI and services was just the beginning...
[19:50] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> that said Aquina, show me 1, only 1 phone that as managed to port any other OS for real and useable
[19:50] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> ?
[19:50] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> and dont show me htc hd 2
[19:51] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> cause the guy is even not capable of clicking on the blind little error window
[19:51] <Aquina> I don't understand the question ("for real and usable")? What do you mean by that?
[19:51] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> ok the interface loads but that's it
[19:51] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> i Mean that on my iX image i know browse internet
[19:52] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> now
[19:52]  * jacquesdptd_iP-1 set any settings i want
[19:53] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> for sure many things remain to be made that's why i would like to be able to find cool people giving advice, what should we use to have even ligher image etc... We gonna set either Matchbox or Enlightnement
[19:53] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> but the system is really working
[19:53] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> as if it would be working on a computer
[19:54] <Aquina> Sorry I still don't understand. When talking about operating systems I have my preferences. Regarding mobile phines and their special hardware requires different systems. I have no preference here. What I wanted to point out however is that Apple has broken and closed systems and is not better than Microsoft or thelike. I stongly recommend to use technically advanced systems like BSD or GNU/Linux.
[19:54] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> and without James that began the project and never lost hope
[19:55] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> and i remind myself a day i told him to come here to ask for help it was for touch screen that we were not able to use, he's got kicked, i can assume, myself to be a bit, straight, but he is really cool, the reason he was kicked was because we've told him, we can't install it on iphone
[19:56] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> for sure iphone are some of the hardest phone to be used with third party os's
[19:56] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> that's why idroid and now ix are brilliant things
[19:56] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> cause planetbeing did an amazing thing reverse enginering every hardware to make unix/linux driver
[19:56] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> s
[19:57] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> he started from nothing and no documentation
[19:58] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> i agree with you that some other device are far more open to be rooted and then used with other open sources project
[19:58] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> but or now, except the n900 that i like cause of maemo on it and i find it really cool to have a linux distrib on a phone
[19:59] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> Even if think iPhones are great phones to be use with their proper os (iOS) i like what did nokia
[19:59] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> and then meego
[20:00] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> but i was so much waiting for the first real port of ubuntu on a phone, and i'm really happy that we've made it, on iPhone 3g as i've got an iPhone 4, i'm gonna use it only with third party os's like iX
[20:00] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> well that's it, my question was we've started from an ubuntu-minimal rootfs with armel karmic
[20:00] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> xfce
[20:01] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> and what would you advice as window manager ? Matchbox or e17 ?
[20:01] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> even if we gonna try to make both for people to be able to choose then
[20:02] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> cause of course, at the moment it's not the fastest system i've been running, but it runs and it's responsive, really
[20:02] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> but i'm sure it still can be optimised
[20:02] <ion> Does e17 implement something for mobile devices? If not, definitely not e17.
[20:02] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> and you are the poeple that are the most qualified for this
[20:02] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> i mean, if i have to find help in ubuntu dev, it should be the right place no ? :)
[20:03] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> ion: you mean, no on screen keyboard, no gsm app that's what you mean ?
[20:04] <ion> I mean, like matchbox.
[20:04] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> cause the goal is also to have a real os running on the phone and to continue to use OS X when using the iPhone as a phone, it's more the fact to have a super little computer
[20:04] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> ok
[20:04] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> i've checked a bit, but it seems the project of e17 is not evolving that much
[20:05] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> maybe matchbox is lot more customizable
[20:06] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> but we want to use the port as a computer, sure it will be good if it can also be used to make calls, at least sip ones, but the use is really to have your little ubuntu in your pocket, aircrack , maybe flash lite will be able to run i have good hopes from test i've made for now, and some other stuff
[20:06] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> all interesting we can do on a real desktop os that we can't on a mobile one :)
[20:08] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> +things
[20:10] <Aquina> Is this really Ubuntu on a Phone you're talking about?
[20:10] <Aquina> e17 looks nice but is maybe to resouce consumptive.
[20:16] <Aquina> cu
[20:17] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> yes
[20:17] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> i don't know for now
[20:17] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> we are using xfce
[20:18] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> sorry i was checking the video
[20:18] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> dunno if ican deliver a video right now
[20:19] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> cause James is the founder, is started the project, and i told him i'll wait till he release the first image, wich he should hve done this afternoon, but i have no news about if it's done or not
[20:20] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> i see it normal that first greetingz goes to him cause without him nothing would have been possible, he worked night and days even when people were telling him we couldnt do it
[20:21] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> and he was right to do it cause i think its pretty well done and that only the beginning, ok guys i'm gonna ask you just 1 or 2 question, advices, so i can continue to work tonight
[20:22] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> i want it to be the lightest as possible, for now it runs, well, i even managed to remote control it from my iphone 4 and to use iphone 4 as mouse and keyboard with hippo remote
[20:22] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> that was funny, an iphone to control another
[20:22] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> vnc protocol, ssh running perfectly too
[20:24] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> but now we gonna have to choose, a good wm, the best interface that would fit to the size, maybe see if we can use evtouch instead of evdev but i didn't manage to make evtouch to work actually, the best internet browser, and check if flash light could run on it, oh also, i'm using onboard for now as on screen keyboard but i'm sure i can find better and i have to find a gesture app in order to have a better experience
[20:25] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> i was thinking about building an interface with maximus so we could have icons only in the top taskbar, and all windows maximised
[20:25] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> like on ubuntu mid
[20:26] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> but i don't know then how to make the keyboard not to be maximised to, and the best would be that the keyboard pops up when touching a form or any text input spot
[23:02] <petergons> ex-chat