[00:13] I have a boot problem; normal users have no access to soundcards and devices random daemons not starting up. can any1 help? [00:23] pcw, the only thing I can think of, as a starting point, is maybe check the logs in /var/log [00:41] seidos:where and what should i look for? I hav plowed through messages dmesg found nothing [00:42] pcw, you can search syslog for the word "error". Wait, you said that random daemons are not starting up? Which daemons? [00:43] apt-cacher-ng [00:44] never heard of it [00:44] some software that does caching of downloads from apt servers [00:44] yeah, I don't have that process running currently. What version of ubuntu are you running? [00:45] lucid [00:45] stock kernel and 35-12 doesnot work [00:45] I'm running Jaunty with an updated kernel. [00:46] 2.6.30, the newer kernels don't work for me either. [00:46] at least 35-12 is finally giving me stable error [00:46] did your system ever work? [00:46] older kernels dont work for me sadly [00:46] yes with stock worked 80% of the time [00:47] how do i find out all the packages that are currently installed? [00:48] :dpkg-query -l [00:49] pcw, I don't know. I'm already out of ideas. [00:50] seidos: 'amd64_edac: probe of 0000:00:18.2 failed with error -22' [00:50] seen this? [00:50] pcw, never [00:50] pcw, I'm running 32 bit on 64 bit hardware. [00:51] think i m gonna just give up on the ubu [00:51] pcw, I don't know, maybe you can try running the daemons manually [00:51] lucid just plain suck [00:51] i can but i just dont want to [00:52] i can fix every prob i have manually [00:52] perhaps a script will fix the problem then [00:52] yes it can [00:53] problem is that there seems to be other deeper problems which i do not understand and wishes to figure out [00:53] ubuntu isn't perfect. lots of different hardware out there. [00:53] sadly intrepid was working very well [00:53] lucid is just a big fail [00:53] or maybe ubuntu is perfect, but all the proprietary hardware isn't :| [00:54] nope [00:54] i hav got 3 mach [00:54] all got various prob with ubu [00:54] GNU/Linux? [00:54] lucid to b exact [00:54] all went well with intrepid [00:54] ubu 9.10 [00:54] maybe lucid isn't the right distro for you. [00:55] yup [00:55] I don't use it [00:55] killing now [00:55] falling back [00:55] thank you very much seidos [00:55] good luck pcw [01:09] how can i find out what users are logged in ssh or otherwise to my server? [01:14] Jason1, I think the command "users" might be what you're looking for. [01:15] or w or who [01:16] ah, who, I had forgotten about that [01:16] w is nicest, haven't heard that before, thanks geirha [01:18] 9.10 is NOT intrepid! [01:19] 9.10 was Krazy Koala :p [01:19] Karmic :-) [01:21] JoeMaverickSett: hello [01:21] stlsaint, hello! morning! (it's morning here!) =D [01:22] seidos: thanks thats why Im in the beginners room! [01:22] Can someone explain to me what the purpose is of each user when they are created having their own group? === uRock is now known as chlorinator [01:25] Jason1, permissions [01:25] so you can share files with people in a group without sharing them with others o a system or network [01:27] chlorinator: why the name change? === stlsaint is now known as hobgoblin2 [01:28] Just got out of the pool and now I smell of chlorine [01:28] aye [01:28] opps === hobgoblin2 is now known as stlsaint [01:29] i've just corrupted my passwd file by changing the numbers around. Is there anyway I can tell from the prompt (wiuthout going to the passwd file) what my current userid # is? [01:29] I shocked it this morning so the chlorine level is very high, but still in the safe zone [01:29] eek [01:30] if you are the admin, then you need to have 700 [01:30] echo $UID [01:30] Jason1: enter id [01:30] Jason1: command: id [01:31] geirha: aye, your just a command library [01:31] :) [01:32] I just aced my Intro to UNIX/Linux class, yet I am lost with some of the permission stuff as far as administering it. === chlorinator is now known as uRock [01:33] uRock: where are you from and what class is this? [01:34] Las Vegas, it was the basic Intro to UNIX/Linux class [01:34] uRock: college? [01:34] yep [01:34] nice [01:34] stlsaint, you keep asking the questions i wanted to ask! =D [01:34] It isn't for my degree, but I felt I could use it [01:35] * JoeMaverickSett is too slow in typing compared to these IRC Pros. [01:35] 4 people dropped the class because they couldn't handle it [01:35] they said they were too used to windows [01:36] uRock, you should have a student like me! ;) [01:36] lol, I am still a student [01:36] hehe =D [01:37] the teacher is trying to get me into Linux+, but I have taken a disliking to COMPTIA [01:37] why? [01:38] ok so i have seriously messed things up. I can't save my passwd fie [01:38] starting the first of 2011 new certificates have to be renewed every three years [01:38] Jason1: What do you mean? Does sudo passwd fail? [01:39] oh! i am planning to take COMPITA Linux+ [01:39] JoeMaverickSett, get certified before the end of the year, so you don't have to retake [01:40] I could be wrong, it may be for A+ and Network+ only [01:41] uRock, hhmm, alright, thanks for the info. [01:42] JoeMaverickSett, http://www.comptia.org/certifications/listed/renewal.aspx [01:43] I think they are only doing it for the money, not because technology is changing [01:44] aveillux: sudo passwd doesn't fail but I can't save [01:45] Jason1: I guess I don't understand your problem, since you don't use a "save" command to exit passwd [01:45] ok... ctrl O doesn't work in nano [01:45] uRock, alright. taking a look at those. [01:45] Jason1: Um no. [01:45] Jason1: passwd is its own utility. [01:46] ive been editing the /etc/passwd file [01:47] i've messed up all the groups and passwords because I thought I could just delete the groups I didn't want to use. [01:47] Jason1: Why? [01:47] Jason1: That explains a lot. [01:47] because im a dumb newbie! [01:47] Don't say that in here Jason1 [01:47] Jason1: Putting yourself down won't get you anywhere [01:47] Jason1: no one is dumb. Newbie, perhaps, but this is how you learn. [01:47] At least you are learning what /etc/passwd does [01:48] Jason1, chill! people will help. as paultag said newbie,yes, but not dumb! [01:48] uRock: yes that is why i am getting my certs this year ;) [01:49] uRock: also it pertains to sec+ also :D [01:49] stlsaint, for which one would you be getting for? [01:49] JoeMaverickSett: all of them! :D [01:49] JoeMaverickSett: sec+, n+, A+ then continuing on... [01:50] JoeMaverickSett: $250 bucks per test :D [01:50] stlsaint, wohoho! i think you are *The Geek* =D go on mate! [01:50] stlsaint: dude that's a lot of cash [01:50] first i will get sec+ as it is the hardest, then n+ [01:50] stlsaint: is the US paying for it? [01:50] paultag: im a baller! =D [01:50] ok so whats the solution now... I can't get in as root because I turned off root login in ssh [01:50] stlsaint: haha [01:51] paultag: i make it rain on my education!! :D [01:51] LOL [01:51] Jason1: haha, awesome. Try rebooting, and going in through single user mode ( recovery mode ) [01:51] I am geting the Cisco CCNA and I think they now have a cert for PC troubleshooting and repair [01:51] stlsaint: hahaha [01:51] Jason1: that or ctrl + alt + f1 if it gets that far [01:51] * JoeMaverickSett salutes stlsaint! [01:51] Jason1: You don't need root in Ubuntu... sudo does it for you [01:51] +1 aveilleux [01:51] uRock: yep, when its all said and done i will have mcsa,mcse,then some VoIP, Cisco switch expert, amongst others [01:52] make that +2, i never knew that! =D [01:52] stlsaint: spend some of that on LDAP learnings [01:52] paultag: i have you for that! :D [01:52] stlsaint: stlsaint did I show you my new URL / Blog? [01:52] paultag: i have a vps with openldap ramping up for kerberos! :D [01:52] stlsaint: no way!!! [01:52] stlsaint: is it working yet? [01:52] paultag: yea i sent it in whub channel [01:52] are you guys like trying to get all the certs for computer related things? =D [01:53] paultag: i was reading your resume :D [01:53] I wish I could afford that many certs [01:53] stlsaint: whatcha think? [01:53] single user mode? Im on 10.04 LTS server [01:53] paultag: simple, niffty [01:53] stlsaint: thanks :) [01:53] The more you pay, the more you can earn [01:53] Jason1: Oh shoot. Well that explains it [01:53] aveilleux: well im in the army so i pay for it myself then they reimburse me ;) [01:53] Jason1: Can you ssh as yourself? [01:53] * JoeMaverickSett wished he was stlsaint! =P [01:53] stlsaint: Thhhbt [01:53] Jason1: are you using passwords or keys? [01:53] when I ssh as myself a different username actually appears [01:54] aveilleux: aawww i love you too! :D [01:54] can Jason1 use vi to alter the passwd file? [01:54] Jason1: try using -l [01:54] uRock: He was using nano [01:54] Jason1: ssh server -l jason [01:54] k [01:54] uRock: thats not the issue [01:54] JoeMaverickSett: ;) [01:55] Jason1: what command are you using to ssh in? [01:56] stlsaint, how do you even study for all those? you must have lot's of space in your head! 500GB @7200RPM? =P [01:56] stlsaint, for the ms certs, did you take classes or just read, practice, then test? [01:56] im using putty on a windows desktop to ssh in [01:56] JoeMaverickSett: hehe, naw i have the entire mcsa course that i took in college a few months back on my ipod [01:57] with reititon everything starts to sink in [01:57] uRock: ^^ [01:57] vi is way to intense for me [01:57] Jason1: what user? [01:57] right now Im in as myself [01:57] * JoeMaverickSett got nothing to say about stlsaint! [01:57] id # 1002 [01:57] the army also paid for me to take the mcsa course :D [01:57] woo [01:58] gotta love VA [01:58] uRock: YEP [01:58] pays my bills when I am in school [01:58] darn summer break [01:58] Jason1: what does your prompt say for the user? [01:58] i get this error if I try to make changes HELP : loglevel(0-9) reBoot Crash terminate-all-tasks(E) memory-full-oom-kill(F) kill-all-t asks(I) thaw-filesystems(J) saK show-backtrace-all-active-cpus(L) show-memory-usage(M) nice-all-RT-t asks(N) show-registers(P) show-all-timers(Q) unRaw Sync show-task-states(T) Unmount show-blocked-tas [01:58] dude hell yes [01:59] jason@myserver [01:59] Jason1: does sudo -i command work? [01:59] Jason1: do you have physical access to the machine? [01:59] if anybody needs mcsa/sec+ notes let me know...i love to share from what the intructors gave me [02:00] not exactly physical access but I can get into it. [02:00] stlsaint: thanks, I might :) [02:00] Jason1: sudo -i [02:00] Jason1: does that work? [02:00] Jason1: is it a virtual machine? [02:00] sudo: unknown uid: 1002 [02:00] yes [02:00] haha w00t, called it [02:01] paultag: genious showoff :P [02:01] Jason1: OK. So, let's hack into this biznatch, as the kids today like to say [02:01] Jason1: does su work? [02:01] Jason1: so that HELP error is if you try and ssh in? [02:01] Jason1: or are you already on the box [02:01] Jason1: do you know the root password? [02:01] im already nano on passwd [02:01] * stlsaint fades to background..... [02:01] Jason1: well that file is fucked anyway, I'm guessing [02:01] lol [02:01] stlsaint: naw, take point [02:02] I do know the root passwd but don't i need to enable it in the sshd_config? [02:02] paultag: fsck() no [02:02] stlsaint: I'll watch, I need to clean the kitch :) [02:02] Jason1: try ctrl + x, n, sudo - [02:02] Jason1: SSH is something else. No [02:02] paultag: NO...i dont know what you were going to do [02:02] stlsaint: >:) [02:02] wait [02:02] Jason1: su - [02:02] Jason1: You /can/ enable root in Ubuntu, but there's really no need [02:02] Jason1: not sudo, sudo won't work because of the passwords [02:02] Jason1: that will be the root pw, not user local pw [02:03] Jason1: you should be able to gainroot if you know it [02:03] paultag, Jason1: to get root in Ubuntu (if sudo -i is unsuccessful) you can sudo su [02:03] aveilleux: sudo will fail, the sudo'ers group is blasted if it failed [02:03] paultag, Jason1: That way you don't actually enable the root account [02:03] aveilleux: I think he already has it enabled [02:03] paultag: D8 [02:03] yeah [02:03] im at my prompt. What do I need to do again? Im not following [02:03] Jason1: su - [02:03] Jason1: that will be your root password [02:04] su: Cannot determine your user name. [02:04] Jason1: if you did not enable the root account, you might be fscked. [02:04] Oh shucks [02:04] Jason1: su -m root [02:04] oh noes [02:04] same: su: Cannot determine your user name. [02:04] Gah. [02:04] Jason1: do you have gcc installed? [02:04] don't know what it is so probbaly not [02:05] Jason1: OK, I'd use this time to get all data off that machine and re-install [02:05] I can get in as another user who has sudo. I can try that. [02:05] it maybe on a default server install [02:05] Jason1: It's OK. It might be blasted as well, if you lost sudoers group it should not work [02:05] Jason1: oh heck yea get in that way [02:05] oh [02:05] thats true [02:05] but try [02:05] stlsaint: could be spot on [02:05] im in as root as another user! whewww! [02:05] wooo!! [02:05] sweet [02:05] Jason1: congrats :) [02:05] stlsaint: you rock :) [02:06] (didn't like the reinstall option) [02:06] stlsaint: +1 paultag point [02:06] Jason1: why is that? [02:06] W00T!! [02:06] Jason1: I've reinstalled more times then I can count :) [02:06] i already have clients running on the system [02:06] pfft, i just reinstalled yesterday :D [02:06] Jason1: oh shucks [02:06] Jason1: aye, fix that sudoers group man [02:06] Jason1: are they getting to it by IP or CNAME ? [02:06] im way out ahead of myself at the moment trying to catch up! [02:07] * stlsaint loves conky [02:07] dns manager points them to their folder with virtual host [02:07] Jason1: you could bring up another Vitural Server, install it, then rysnc the data on the two [02:07] Jason1: can you fix your groups with this root user? [02:07] Jason1: then switch the CNAME for the domain, and then bring down the first after two hours or so [02:08] because that login file is fscked up from the looks of it [02:08] paultag: they are logged on as root right now [02:08] Jason1: right?? ^ [02:08] For the room: http://www.zazzle.com/root_access_tshirt-235683678517126274 (I know the syntax is a little off, but I had to dumb it down a little) [02:08] Moral of the story *never* *ever* edit /etc/passwd manually. [02:09] _+1 aveilleux [02:09] +10000000 drubin [02:09] i can probably fix the users im not sure. Im using a virtual terminal at the moment, rather than actually ssh into the system [02:09] lesson learned [02:09] Jason1: yup. That's all that counts [02:09] Jason1: consider a re-wipe [02:09] Jason1: you might have lost a lot of groups etc [02:09] aveilleux: 35 bucks for that!?!? ROBBERY!! :P [02:10] well there were 3 uers I edited and 3 groups i deleted. Can I put them back in from the prompt? [02:10] stlsaint: It's the lowest price I could set D: [02:10] Jason1: Learning is more important then any thing else :) [02:10] aveilleux: oh [02:10] drubin: did you see my new domain? [02:10] Jason1: not without knowing what they were [02:10] Jason1: you don't take notes, perchance? [02:10] stlsaint: Inverted colors is something in the range of $20 [02:10] paultag: I even viewed it. you mades me enables javascripts ;) [02:10] well I do know what they were. They were friends login ids. [02:10] drubin: hahahaha [02:10] * uRock The best way to learn is the hard way. [02:11] drubin: suck it up, it's 2010 [02:11] true! [02:11] paultag +1 [02:11] paultag: Hey never been rickrolled or any thing with my anti javascript policies :) [02:11] drubin: None of the rickrolls work on Opera ;) [02:11] * drubin views page source before enabling javascripts [02:11] i know all the id numbers and the reality is I can do without all of them if we can just get mine working. my id # is 2002 [02:12] drubin: haha [02:12] omw 3:30am and next doors alarm is going off ;/ [02:13] so is it possible to repair the passwd file using command prompts instead of editing the file? [02:13] Jason1: Repair possibly not. [02:13] lol, I just watched my neighbor's kids kill a bouncing room and it was only up for 30 minutes [02:14] lol [02:14] Jason1: If you have broken your passwd file I would suggest a reinstall. [02:14] Jason1: aye [02:14] I concur with drubin and stlsaint [02:14] even though Im root at the moment? [02:14] Jason1: unless you know *excatly* what changed [02:15] I believe I do. [02:15] Jason1: Next leasson is backup and restores ;-p [02:15] Jason1, back it up before making changes in the future [02:15] haha [02:15] Jason1: *.old will save your life [02:16] if I can delete the two users and edit me from id 1003 to 1002 that should be all i need [02:16] Jason1: sudo cp corg.conf xorg.conf.old has saved my butt so many times [02:16] (this is called denial phase) [02:16] lool [02:16] lol [02:17] but seriously, your saying its not possible even though I know the users and groups i edited? [02:17] Jason1: It's possible, but very difficult [02:17] Jason1: the way linux internally stores UIDs might be different [02:18] or if I delete all the applicable users and just create a new one for myself [02:18] ? [02:18] (from root) [02:18] Jason1: You could try that but you might have issues later on. [02:18] Jason1: So like we all said make backups. [02:19] Jason1: but yes you can try it only after you have backups :) if it doesn't work reinstall with backups [02:19] any how I need to get going. [02:19] ok.. im ready for the lesson on backups now! [02:20] Jason1: Before doing anything to a system file, sudo cp XX XX.old [02:20] Jason1: Where XX is the name of the file [02:20] ok [02:21] hey drubin, got a few secs? [02:23] drubin: I need some py help :) [02:25] ok so how do I get the backups to put back later. FTP? [02:26] i can't get on [02:26] Jason1: use rsync with a failover server if it's production [02:26] Jason1: What? Just sudo mv XX.old XX [02:26] That'll overwite the broken copy with the backup [02:26] Just leave it in the same dir [02:27] what is rsync? [02:27] Jason1: it will let you sync two directories over the network [02:27] Jason1: so sync mirror two installs, and then switch over the DNS entry [02:28] Jason1: I do this all the time in the datacenter I manage [02:28] old hardware upgrades etc [02:29] ah.. ok.. RIght now I only have the one server and it is taking up everything on the virtual host [02:29] Jason1: but it's virtual [02:29] add another vmachine [02:29] or do you not have ownership of the server? [02:30] im using linnode [02:31] I can reduce the size of the current install and then create a second if thats what your getting at, since right now it fills up all of my alloted space [02:31] Ah, no, can't do that with linode [02:32] Jason1: might be able to do that [02:32] can only have one running at a time, so you'd have to sync via an intermediary [02:33] +1 pleia2 [02:33] and that also entails downtime [02:34] so i need to setup 3? [02:35] my brain is fried at this point! [02:36] Jason1: do you have another machine you can use? [02:36] Jason1: to maybe use for syncing? [02:38] when you say machine what do you mean? [02:38] computer [02:38] im sitting at my desktop. Its a windows platform. there is the server itself which is on linnode [02:38] hrm [02:38] shucks [02:39] linnode will allow me to reduce the size of the current install. I could cut it in half. [02:39] then I would be able to setup a second install. I just don't know how to get the files back and forth between the two. [02:40] Jason1: can you ssh into that server using a form of gui? [02:41] the second (to be the newly created one)??? [02:41] no, [02:41] Jason1: like in linux you can connect to the server using nautilus [02:42] Jason1: is there something in windows that you have to do that? [02:42] yes its called puTTY. I use that to SSH into the server [02:42] that opens up my shell [02:42] try WinSCP [02:42] i have winSCP as well for ftp [02:43] Jason1: that's SFTP [02:43] Jason1: it's FTP over SSH [02:43] ok [02:43] ( a.k.a. scp ) [02:43] stlsaint: he can get data thru the pipe :) [02:43] winSCP doesn't work because I can't login [02:43] Jason1: pull that data from your sever to your windows system [02:44] Jason1: reformat then put back [02:44] Jason1: if you can putty you should be able to login [02:44] Jason1: it uses ssh to xfer, so if you can ssh in, you can scp over [02:44] i can't get into the server right now with winSCP [02:44] Jason1: how do you get in via PuTTY ? [02:44] Jason1: you can winscp but you can ssh?? [02:45] i can ssh but not winscp [02:45] :| [02:45] Jason1: just *try* for me, I know how this works on a low level [02:45] oh wait.. actually.. Ive nbever closed my session because I didn't want that to be gameover [02:45] Jason1: yes please try it [02:45] server refuses key [02:46] Jason1: your going through same port correct? [02:46]