[01:21] maco: [01:21] http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/qtxml.html [01:22] Riddell: I'm not sure there will be a packagekit release tomorow (since Richard seems to be on holydays) do you want a diff file of the changes? [01:23] I'm also finishing some kpackagekit stuff which would also be nice to be in the next alpha [01:24] maco: also a tutorial regarding qtdom: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/QtDOM_Tutorial [01:35] NCommander: Please give us a fix then. It'd be nice to be able to (at least once this cycle) get KDE to build on armel. [03:06] JontheEchidna: Congratulations: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2010/08/in-case-you-missed-it.html [03:06] neato [03:09] apachelogger: thank you! [03:35] neversfelde: because we wanted to sync [04:01] hello [06:41] will KNetworkManager be wroking properly in KU 10.4? 10.10? [06:50] win 4 === James147_ is now known as James147 [09:39] eh [09:40] stalcup: can you send me a merge directive for kdeartwork plz [09:41] Quintasan: ping [09:43] [ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100802084300-qnorsyi45yr1tkv1 * debian/ (7 files) packaging++ [10:02] hmm, guess we won't be uploading 4.5.0 before freeze https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dpkg/+bug/612457 [10:02] Launchpad bug 612457 in dpkg (Ubuntu Maverick) "1.15.8.2 regression: dpkg-deb segfaults" [Critical,Triaged] [10:04] <\sh> Riddell: I thought pitti is fixing it right now... [10:04] dantti: patch against packagekit is good [10:29] [ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100802092911-h9mqi94n6ffdirhz * debian/ (ubuntu-sso-qt.install control rules) packaging++ [10:42] [ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100802094232-8ul1ol0qbkezuaqm * debian/control conflict && replace the python thing [10:44] message indicator enabled in kubuntu-default-settings for kopete and konversation, patched directory into quassel [10:44] Riddell: btw, what do you think about turning off backup-file-saving in kate? [10:44] jon and I find it rather annoying and useless most of the time [10:44] apachelogger: on what rationale? [10:45] leaves files all over the place [10:45] ... milian suggested that something more vim-like is in the works though [10:45] as an emacs user I've got used to those little twiddle files around the place and I do find them occationally useful [10:45] what is more vim like? [10:47] Riddell: http://vimdoc.sourceforge.net/htmldoc/recover.html [10:47] vim creates "swap" files which are a lot like the runtime backups openoffice maintains [10:47] so in case your editor goes down you can recover your work [10:48] which for me used to be more useful than the random backup kate leaves around [10:49] yes that is nicer [10:49] well I'd prefer to keep it on until kate gets support for that [10:49] but I'm not too fussed [10:49] I'd worry that someone would expect it to be on then get grumpy when it isn't and they've lost their work [10:50] hm, I wonder if more people turn it off ^^ [10:51] stalcup: lol @ skeletor [10:51] * apachelogger leaves a cookie on stalcup's desk [10:52] Riddell: I am going to repoke the desktopcouch/u1 people again today and if they don't get to merge my stuff I will upload a patched version to the archives [10:52] apachelogger: or should I try poking someone? [10:53] "libqt4-dev: Conflicts: libqtwebkit-dev but 2.0~week27-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1 is to be installed [10:53] hmm, I had a feeling qt was going to get messy in lucid PPA backports [10:54] Riddell: well you could try vertok for u1 and CardinalFang for desktopcouch [10:54] apachelogger: what are the merge request URLs? [10:54] but from what I gather they are just busy and not really sure if they should not use some generic implementation such as python-keyring [10:54] where python-keyring apparently does not provide the functionallity they need [10:55] https://code.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/ubuntuone-client/kwallet-support/+merge/31138 [10:55] https://code.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/desktopcouch/kwallet-support/+merge/31135 [10:55] Riddell: ^ [10:55] they'd be better waiting for the actual freedesktop cross desktop password manager I'd think [10:55] (than use python-keyring) [10:56] I do think so too [10:56] OTOH we could just make ubuntu-sso an abstraction between keyrings and apps [10:56] (well, not for desktopcouch, but otherwise ;)) [10:57] mehh.... ubuntuone-client depends on ubuntu-sso-client. [10:57] guess which package contains the syncdaemon ;) [10:58] * apachelogger wonders if that client thingy should be virtual [11:00] * apachelogger is quite the sneaky bunny today [11:00] dpkg: considering removing ubuntu-sso-client in favour of ubuntu-sso-qt ... [11:00] dpkg: yes, will remove ubuntu-sso-client in favour of ubuntu-sso-qt. [11:04] [ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100802100413-uqsv850bfxfkslmo * debian/control provide ubuntu-sso-client so it will be removed without breaking ubuntuone-client [11:11] [ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100802101104-m2lwztc74dttz9o8 * src/AccessToken.h fromat++ [11:13] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100802101257-75b9okpuyzih5drx * src/api/CMakeLists.txt fix build [11:15] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100802101503-wtd06lx5sgso8lkv * src/statusnotifier/StatusNotifier.cpp comment out share action as I prepare for kcm awesomeness [11:19] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100802101834-3vhucq7mnqo35o3k * (6 files in 2 dirs) revise kcm structure to: Ubuntu One (section) |-> General |-> Shares |-> Folders |-> Web [11:32] hm, making multiple kcmodules into one kcm plugin is a bit of a tricky thing I see [12:10] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100802111023-j9tcyw8k1yqj5gfz * src/kcmodule/ (6 files) Folders is sort of working again :D [12:11] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100802111047-v2add8oad3vzq5zr * src/kcmodule/ (Folders.cpp Folders.h) ...if one does not forget to add them... === yofel_ is now known as yofel [12:36] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100802113634-qdp5e8a9x9d4vimq * src/kcmodule/ (9 files) Add Web [12:39] hm [12:39] gtk-recordmydesktop is the broken [12:39] any guesses as to what language the app is written in? :P [12:52] apachelogger: pong [12:52] Quintasan: is maverick done? [12:52] i.e. are you done with your QA ^^ [12:53] Well, I think everything is working fine [12:53] We should make a wiki page with QA test cases [12:54] I'm still QAing [12:54] Riddell: What's the result so far? [12:54] everything installed [12:55] only issue I see is when installing kde-full it removes plasma-widget-networkmanagement [12:55] think I'll change meta-kde to Recommend plasma-widget-networkmanagement not network-manager-kde [12:55] hmm [12:56] Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/u1-kcm.ogv what do you think? [12:56] Quintasan: I agree [12:56] Nightrose: pingy, are you at work? [12:56] Quintasan: could you please get cracking on lucid backports? :) [12:56] * apachelogger is gsocing [12:57] oh, it's monday [12:57] sure [12:58] apachelogger: what's the web module for? why is that better than using a web browser? [12:58] it isn't it is just built in and looks neat ;) [12:59] libqt4-dev: Conflicts: libqtwebkit-dev but 2.0~week27-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1 is to be installed [12:59] particular rationale is that initially you will not be able to remove devices (i.e. remove access permission) via the KCM, so you can easily jump to the web module and do it there [12:59] apachelogger: we do not have that package in lucid, do we? [12:59] also I must repeat that it looks neat ^^ [13:00] Quintasan: there are now two sources in the PPA .. the old qtwebkit and the new qtwebkit-source ... supposedly there is some conflicting going on between those two [13:00] that is just a guess though [13:00] O_O [13:00] and which one should we use? [13:01] the new one ;) [13:01] lol [13:02] Riddell: also, I was thinking to somehow make the general kcm also come in a info-only favor which then can embedd into kinfocenter [13:03] * apachelogger finds it a bit silly that the general module lists stuff such as name and email and subscription (especially since currently you cannot even upgrade via the KCM/API) [13:03] the subscription that is ^^ [13:03] well [13:03] apachelogger: Conflicts: qt3-dev-tools (<= 3:3.3.4-7), libqtwebkit-dev [13:03] in qt4-xqq [13:03] x11* [13:04] Quintasan: for what pkg? [13:04] apachelogger: qt4-x11 in ninjas ppa [13:04] no version specified, just conflicts [13:04] and kdelibs lucid backport fails due to that [13:05] Quintasan: what binary package [13:05] qt4-x11 is no binary package :P [13:05] apachelogger: does anyone use kinfocenter? [13:05] apachelogger: libqt4-dev [13:05] Riddell: dunno, but it is little effort since kinfocenter also uses KCMs [13:05] it is also neat ^^ [13:06] * apachelogger thinks about selling points here [13:06] Quintasan: I think you will have to look into qt4-x11 then :S [13:06] me@osiris:~$ apt-cache show libqt4-dev|grep Conflicts [13:06] Conflicts: qt3-dev-tools (<= 3:3.3.4-7) [13:06] no confict there [13:06] but a breaks I have seen [13:07] apachelogger: download the debian.tar.gz for lucid backport ^_^ [13:07] I will change it and reupload [13:07] I am just saying that mav does not have no conflict so obviously lucid needs to be fix0red ^^ [13:08] apachelogger: anyways to get a new dsc without source tarball? [13:08] * Quintasan is too lazy to download [13:08] no [13:09] :< [13:09] well, technically, but you really do not want to go there [13:09] it's really really bad/ [13:09] ? [13:09] * apachelogger is wondering how to build the shares kcm [13:09] Quintasan: well you need to do everything dpkg-source would be doing (calculating checksums and whatnot) [13:10] oh [13:10] I'm too lazy to do that [13:10] Downloading [13:10] ^^ [13:11] Meanwhile I will get some tea and find my vaacum cleaner [13:12] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100802121147-ed2spnmjm8gd3l9x * src/statusnotifier/StatusNotifier.cpp when trying to connect change the statusnotifier to indicate this [13:12] * apachelogger ponders lunching [13:13] meh [13:13] * apachelogger patches a syncd again [13:16] * Riddell uploads the new kdebase-workspace tar to ninjas [13:20] wait [13:20] I do not have a lucid pbuilder [13:26] https://wiki.ubuntulinux.jp/Events/OSC2010Kansai [13:26] great [13:27] some reading for me [13:27] Sput: is it possible to override quassel settings? [13:27] in the way we do for kde apps in our kubuntu-default-settings package [13:28] apachelogger: I belive that libqt4-dev should depend on libqtwebkit-dev [13:29] ot at least recomment it [13:29] s/t/d [13:29] how so? [13:30] hmmm [13:30] holy cheese [13:30] ImportError: No module named ubuntu_sso [13:31] Wait [13:31] Quintasan: it already recommends libqtwebkit-dev [13:31] You are not using Python, are you? [13:32] what the heck [13:32] debfx: no it doesn't [13:32] you know [13:32] I didnt like python [13:32] now I truely hate it [13:32] debfx: he's talking about lucid PPA [13:32] <3 ubuntuone [13:33] apachelogger: Replaces: libqtwebkit-dev [13:33] I think I should also get rid of that [13:33] oh great [13:33] and, qtwebkit or qtwebkit-source? [13:33] something is leaking into plasma again [13:33] Quintasan: latter [13:34] Quintasan: and yes supposedly you should [13:34] Quintasan: just hold on to maverick for reference [13:34] Quintasan: is there a reason kdeaccessibility isn't in bzr? [13:34] Riddell: I probably didn't push [13:37] Riddell: pushed [13:37] thanks [13:37] Riddell: depends on what you plan to do [13:37] apachelogger: so no recommends on libqtwebkit? :< [13:37] Sput: turn off systray icon, turn on message indicator [13:38] * Quintasan thinks that would solve tons of problems with that [13:38] Riddell: mmmh, can your way of doing that drop config files in users' $HOME? or does it need to be a systemwide file in /etc? [13:38] Quintasan: libqt4-dev does recommend libqtwebkit-dev in maverick so that's fine to add, but packages shouldn't expect that (it's a circular dependency) [13:39] Sput: needs to be system wide [13:39] Quintasan: not if it is not in mav [13:39] Sput: at the moment I've patched it which is ok but not very elegant [13:39] hokay, I'd need to write something for that, I guess... we don't have a global settings file atm [13:39] hah [13:39] I see [13:39] Sput: that's what I thought [13:40] Sput: here the patch incase you want to check I'm not breaking anything :) http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/kubuntu_02_enable_message_indicator.diff [13:41] Riddell: that looks straightforward enough :) [13:42] Riddell: do you know someone from the sru team that can take a look at bug 573785? [13:42] Launchpad bug 573785 in qtm (Ubuntu) "QTM crashes when a window is launched" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/573785 [13:42] Riddell: what about that Kopete patch, did you look into it or I should make a hell on earth in #kopete? ^_^ [13:43] :O [13:43] great [13:43] KWallet::Wallet::openWallet(KWallet::Wallet::LocalWallet(), 0, KWallet::Wallet::Synchronous); yields 0 [13:43] two hours of spare time while qt is rebuilding [13:44] today is super strange [13:44] and wth does kwallet source not obey kdelibs coding standard [13:44] Quintasan: go ahead and put it in bzr [13:44] \o/ [13:47] Quintasan: do you still need lichts? [13:47] yofel: I can upload to unapproved queue, then jdong or devfil are probably good to ping [13:48] ok, that would help, thanks [13:48] * apachelogger is wondering why xdg-open launches chrome [13:49] Riddell: yes, I will be working on it in a while [13:49] well [13:49] not today [13:49] unless kdelibs import is fixed I can't do anything [13:49] and shadeslayer reported it will be fixed in few days [13:50] the bug is set to 'In Progress' for the vcs-imports so that should be fixed soon I hope [13:51] yofel: uploaded [13:51] [ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100802125041-sbkrs9gdnhnsc21r * src/AccessToken.cpp do not call realmKey() multiple times in one function [13:51] so, ninjas, who's in favour of uploading 4.5.0 now to maverick for alpha 3? [13:52] the random number generator on https://edge.launchpad.net/builders/ says "i3863 250 jobs (14 minutes)" so I guess we have buildds to use [13:52] poor old PPA buildds "i3864 999 jobs (four days)" what is that all about [13:52] I think that is indeed very random ^^ [13:52] * apachelogger is also wondering how that gets calcd to begin wiht [13:52] anyhow [13:53] Riddell: Well, I'm pretty sure it works. So I'd vote in favour [13:53] I am in favor of asking the universal decision maker [13:53] eight ball? [13:53] :D [13:53] unfrotunately it is dead [13:53] so lets use an 8ball plz [13:54] unfortunately we do not have an rbot so we cannot do it in here [13:54] what a chain of fail [13:54] Riddell: lets just upload [13:54] it's a decision! [13:54] I'll start preparing the upload, probably about half an hour for objections :) [13:55] from ubuntu_sso import DBUS_IFACE_AUTH_NAME, DBUS_PATH_AUTH [13:55] supposedly they plan on renaming the dbus iface name [13:56] * apachelogger should have gone on lunch break when he pondered [13:58] * Riddell pushes apachelogger to lunchpad [14:00] * apachelogger giggles [14:01] * yofel notes that it might take a while as the vending machines on lunchpad like to time out usually [14:03] Riddell: speak about the devil [14:03] kdelibs import is fixed [14:04] Quintasan: goodness [14:04] Quintasan: if you're onto kdelibs does this mean qt daily builds are available and working? [14:04] Riddell: we pwn all builders for alpha 3 [14:05] Riddell: yep [14:05] shadeslayer: where? [14:05] Riddell: at ~neon? [14:06] Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/ppa [14:06] our ppa size was bumped [14:06] Bazaar Subversion Plugin Edit Fix Released [14:06] :O [14:07] "project-neon-qt 12 days ago " not very daily :) [14:07] shadeslayer: is that from qt git head? [14:07] ah Quintasan update that :P [14:07] Riddell: kde-qt i believe [14:07] this is kde-qt [14:07] Quintasan: dude.. put the recipe online then i can trigger builds as well [14:07] there were no further commits I belive [14:07] using the web ui [14:08] web ui? [14:08] hmm, no yuiry to fix bug 602129 [14:08] Launchpad bug 602129 in userconfig (Ubuntu Maverick) "userconfig fails to build from source in maverick" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/602129 [14:09] wee task for anyone not already busy with 5 other tasks ^^ [14:11] Pending build on 2010-08-05 (estimated) Maverick Project Neon [14:11] \o/ [14:11] shadeslayer: Import started 2 hours ago on russkaya and finished 2 hours ago taking a minute — see the log [14:11] [ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100802131116-4n4kdu0ogtnzws8r * src/ (__init__.py AuthHandler.cpp CMakeLists.txt) mess with the python foo to make the syncdaemon work again ... what a mess ... [14:11] no newer imports on kde-qt [14:12] I wonder who maintains the kde-qt git branch [14:14] Quintasan: awesome :) [14:14] but small problem [14:14] ? [14:14] we need custom kdmrc [14:15] because we need to launch kde neon or kde normal from kdm [14:15] are we building kde yet? [14:15] apachelogger: ^ [14:15] not yet ^_^ [14:15] so, chill out [14:15] :P [14:16] Start 2010-08-05 [14:16] lol [14:16] in three days [14:16] hahaha [14:17] nothing to laugh at [14:17] we are stalled at best [14:17] :P [14:17] Quintasan: btw you initiated build of kdelibs? [14:20] shadeslayer: wah? [14:20] what yo uneed is an xsession desktop file [14:20] see /usr/share/xsession(s) [14:20] yeah that too [14:21] and we need to put that as a custom entry in kdmrc [14:21] or thats what i think.... [14:21] why? [14:21] you would not be running neon kdm anyway [14:21] only a mad man would [14:21] hehe [14:21] besides, maintaining that sort of thing is quite the effort [14:22] Quintasan: dude where is the fricking kdelibs import? [14:22] * apachelogger has loads of ideas today [14:22] i cant find it :P [14:22] https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/kdelibs/kde4 ? [14:22] thanks yofel [14:22] Riddell: we could take over ubuntu-sso-client and support gnome-keyring too ... I sort of feel like looking more into Qt plugin creation, so our ubuntu-sso would then have a kwallet and keyring plugin [14:23] * apachelogger also notes that this would eliminate the need to link against kwallet which is a bit odd because the thing itsel fis called ubuntu-sso-qt ;) [14:23] apart from that .. its still pulling in stuff [14:31] Quintasan: fail! [14:32] Riddell: attached a debdiff to bug #602129 [14:32] Launchpad bug 602129 in userconfig (Ubuntu Maverick) "userconfig fails to build from source in maverick" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/602129 [14:33] Quintasan: were still stuck :) [14:33] because it wont happen till lp releases new stuff [14:38] Quintasan: we get to work next week [14:39] debfx: have I ever said you rock? [14:40] debfx: uploaded thanks [14:42] :/ [14:42] they should learn to release stuff like that immediately [14:47] debian dev says we dont co operate much ^_^ [14:48] Riddell: err.. why was the nm widget removed? [14:48] ask him what he'd like to see [14:49] shadeslayer: because I installed kde-full which recommends network-manager-kde which conflicts with the plasma widget [14:49] oh i see [14:49] Riddell: http://pastebin.com/eQ1xSqb5 [14:49] line 20 onwards :P [14:52] shadeslayer: curious, our webkitkde package was uploaded 18 months ago, Debian's was uploaded 12 months ago, seems like he should be contacting us [14:53] and since you did contact him, not sure what the issue is [14:54] Riddell: maybe because we didnt send him the fix for a packaging bug? :) [14:55] hi guys [14:56] i have a question [14:56] will someone fix that 'lost and found' section in system settings for kde 4.5 and packages for lucid? [14:56] i mean, they should go to related categories [14:57] sheytan: yes that needs to be fixed [14:57] volunteers welcome [14:58] Riddell i woul help, but im not a dev :( [14:58] sheytan: you dont need to be... :P [14:58] * Riddell puts the "I'm a dev" hat on sheytan [14:58] shadeslayer, then what shoul i do to fix? [14:58] im pressed for time myself :P [14:58] hmm.. [14:59] sheytan: first test if you still have the problem [14:59] shadeslayer yep [14:59] i'm on kde 4.5 right now [14:59] sheytan: with new 4.5 release ;) [14:59] Riddell: Do you think if I could apply for kubuntu-dev now? [14:59] sheytan: look at the Categories= line in the .desktop files in /usr/share/kde4/services/ [15:00] and work out what it should be based on other .desktop files that aren't broken [15:00] sheytan: you have the RC right? [15:00] shadeslayer yes [15:00] Quintasan: is lucid backporting done? [15:00] Quintasan: maybe, I'd need to review your packaging skills, can't hurt to update your wiki page in preparation though [15:01] sheytan: actually there was a final release :) [15:01] which is being worked on :P [15:01] shadeslayer but no packages :D [15:01] youd think so :P [15:01] Quintasan: does amarok crash for you on startup? [15:01] shadeslayer i know that someone is working on them, to propably release packages with kde release :D [15:02] sheytan: yep.. ok so now, in maverick i have this under lost and found : http://imgur.com/i1UnA [15:03] Quintasan: kdepimlibs not pushed? [15:03] shadeslayer i have some more, but im working on this. I'll try to put things where they should be ;) [15:03] sheytan: we have maverick packages if you want to help test [15:03] i think i know how :D [15:03] sure :D [15:04] Riddell i need to upgrade to maveric, righty? [15:04] sheytan: yep [15:04] shadeslayer: font: where from? :D [15:04] sheytan: ubuntu private ppa ;) [15:04] its the ubuntu font [15:04] shadeslayer link? [15:04] sheytan: only ubuntu members get access :p [15:04] :( [15:05] its pretty good looking right? [15:05] sheytan: yes, if you're on lucid hang around and we'll get you to test the lucid packages when they're done [15:05] Riddell sure :) [15:05] shadeslayer it looks awesome :D [15:05] hmm.. ok .. so im upgrading kde to 4.5 from ninja ppa :P [15:05] will be included in mm? [15:05] yet to be decided [15:05] shadeslayer: kdegames not pushed? [15:05] Riddell: ubuntu fonts had a new release [15:05] shadeslayer vote for it :D [15:06] Riddell: pushed to bzr about 15 mins ago [15:06] Quintasan: did you fix kde4libs? [15:06] or should i [15:07] ok err [15:07] needs changelog merge [15:09] I did that [15:09] no I didn't [15:09] I did something else [15:09] Riddell: ok so i should fix in bzr right? [15:10] ha! [15:10] i know how to fix it :D [15:10] sheytan++ [15:10] but who's that one who's resposible for that? :D [15:10] i mean, someone needs to make those changes [15:10] to put to packages [15:11] well you can send in patches to use [15:11] *us [15:11] Riddell: I have another fix for some virtuoso upgrade issues: #608878 [15:11] and then kde upstream i guess [15:11] bug #608878 [15:11]