[01:21] <apachelogger> maco: 
[01:21] <apachelogger> http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/qtxml.html
[01:22] <dantti> Riddell: I'm not sure there will be a packagekit release tomorow (since Richard seems to be on holydays) do you want a diff file of the changes?
[01:23] <dantti> I'm also finishing some kpackagekit stuff which would also be nice to be in the next alpha
[01:24] <apachelogger> maco: also a tutorial regarding qtdom: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/QtDOM_Tutorial
[01:35] <ScottK> NCommander: Please give us a fix then.  It'd be nice to be able to (at least once this cycle) get KDE to build on armel.
[03:06] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Congratulations: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2010/08/in-case-you-missed-it.html
[03:06] <JontheEchidna> neato
[03:09] <maco> apachelogger: thank you!
[03:35] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: because we wanted to sync
[04:01] <Viper> hello
[06:41] <giova> will KNetworkManager be wroking properly in KU 10.4?  10.10?
[06:50] <giova> win 4
[09:39] <apachelogger> eh
[09:40] <apachelogger> stalcup: can you send me a merge directive for kdeartwork plz
[09:41] <apachelogger> Quintasan: ping
[09:43] <CIA-98> [ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100802084300-qnorsyi45yr1tkv1 * debian/ (7 files) packaging++
[10:02] <Riddell> hmm, guess we won't be uploading 4.5.0 before freeze https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dpkg/+bug/612457
[10:04] <\sh> Riddell: I thought pitti is fixing it right now...
[10:04] <Riddell> dantti: patch against packagekit is good
[10:29] <CIA-98> [ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100802092911-h9mqi94n6ffdirhz * debian/ (ubuntu-sso-qt.install control rules) packaging++
[10:42] <CIA-98> [ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100802094232-8ul1ol0qbkezuaqm * debian/control conflict && replace the python thing
[10:44] <Riddell> message indicator enabled in kubuntu-default-settings for kopete and konversation, patched directory into quassel
[10:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, what do you think about turning off backup-file-saving in kate?
[10:44] <apachelogger> jon and I find it rather annoying and useless most of the time
[10:44] <Riddell> apachelogger: on what rationale?
[10:45] <apachelogger> leaves files all over the place
[10:45] <apachelogger> ... milian suggested that something more vim-like is in the works though
[10:45] <Riddell> as an emacs user I've got used to those little twiddle files around the place and I do find them occationally useful
[10:45] <Riddell> what is more vim like?
[10:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://vimdoc.sourceforge.net/htmldoc/recover.html
[10:47] <apachelogger> vim creates "swap" files which are a lot like the runtime backups openoffice maintains
[10:47] <apachelogger> so in case your editor goes down you can recover your work
[10:48] <apachelogger> which for me used to be more useful than the random backup kate leaves around
[10:49] <Riddell> yes that is nicer
[10:49] <Riddell> well I'd prefer to keep it on until kate gets support for that
[10:49] <Riddell> but I'm not too fussed
[10:49] <Riddell> I'd worry that someone would expect it to be on then get grumpy when it isn't and they've lost their work
[10:50] <apachelogger> hm, I wonder if more people turn it off ^^
[10:51] <apachelogger> stalcup: lol @ skeletor 
[10:51]  * apachelogger leaves a cookie on stalcup's desk
[10:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: I am going to repoke the desktopcouch/u1 people again today and if they don't get to merge my stuff I will upload a patched version to the archives
[10:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: or should I try poking someone?
[10:53] <Riddell> "libqt4-dev: Conflicts: libqtwebkit-dev but 2.0~week27-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1 is to be installed
[10:53] <Riddell> hmm, I had a feeling qt was going to get messy in lucid PPA backports
[10:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: well you could try vertok for u1 and CardinalFang for desktopcouch
[10:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: what are the merge request URLs?
[10:54] <apachelogger> but from what I gather they are just busy and not really sure if they should not use some generic implementation such as python-keyring
[10:54] <apachelogger> where python-keyring apparently does not provide the functionallity they need
[10:55] <apachelogger> https://code.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/ubuntuone-client/kwallet-support/+merge/31138
[10:55] <apachelogger> https://code.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/desktopcouch/kwallet-support/+merge/31135
[10:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: ^
[10:55] <Riddell> they'd be better waiting for the actual freedesktop cross desktop password manager I'd think
[10:55] <Riddell> (than use python-keyring)
[10:56] <apachelogger> I do think so too
[10:56] <apachelogger> OTOH we could just make ubuntu-sso an abstraction between keyrings and apps
[10:56] <apachelogger> (well, not for desktopcouch, but otherwise ;))
[10:57] <apachelogger> mehh....  ubuntuone-client depends on ubuntu-sso-client.
[10:57] <apachelogger> guess which package contains the syncdaemon  ;)
[10:58]  * apachelogger wonders if that client thingy should be virtual
[11:00]  * apachelogger is quite the sneaky bunny today
[11:00] <apachelogger> dpkg: considering removing ubuntu-sso-client in favour of ubuntu-sso-qt ...
[11:00] <apachelogger> dpkg: yes, will remove ubuntu-sso-client in favour of ubuntu-sso-qt.
[11:04] <CIA-98> [ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100802100413-uqsv850bfxfkslmo * debian/control provide ubuntu-sso-client so it will be removed without breaking ubuntuone-client
[11:11] <CIA-98> [ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100802101104-m2lwztc74dttz9o8 * src/AccessToken.h fromat++
[11:13] <CIA-98> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100802101257-75b9okpuyzih5drx * src/api/CMakeLists.txt fix build
[11:15] <CIA-98> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100802101503-wtd06lx5sgso8lkv * src/statusnotifier/StatusNotifier.cpp comment out share action as I prepare for kcm awesomeness
[11:19] <CIA-98> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100802101834-3vhucq7mnqo35o3k * (6 files in 2 dirs) revise kcm structure to: Ubuntu One (section) |-> General |-> Shares |-> Folders |-> Web
[11:32] <apachelogger> hm, making multiple kcmodules into one kcm plugin is a bit of a tricky thing I see
[12:10] <CIA-98> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100802111023-j9tcyw8k1yqj5gfz * src/kcmodule/ (6 files) Folders is sort of working again :D
[12:11] <CIA-98> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100802111047-v2add8oad3vzq5zr * src/kcmodule/ (Folders.cpp Folders.h) ...if one does not forget to add them...
[12:36] <CIA-98> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100802113634-qdp5e8a9x9d4vimq * src/kcmodule/ (9 files) Add Web
[12:39] <apachelogger> hm
[12:39] <apachelogger> gtk-recordmydesktop is the broken
[12:39] <apachelogger> any guesses as to what language the app is written in? :P
[12:52] <Quintasan> apachelogger: pong
[12:52] <apachelogger> Quintasan: is maverick done?
[12:52] <apachelogger> i.e. are you done with your QA ^^
[12:53] <Quintasan> Well, I think everything is working fine
[12:53] <Quintasan> We should make a wiki page with QA test cases
[12:54] <Riddell> I'm still QAing
[12:54] <Quintasan> Riddell: What's the result so far?
[12:54] <Riddell> everything installed
[12:55] <Riddell> only issue I see is when installing kde-full it removes plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[12:55] <Riddell> think I'll change meta-kde to Recommend plasma-widget-networkmanagement not network-manager-kde
[12:55] <Quintasan> hmm
[12:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/u1-kcm.ogv what do you think?
[12:56] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I agree
[12:56] <apachelogger> Nightrose: pingy, are you at work?
[12:56] <apachelogger> Quintasan: could you please get cracking on lucid backports? :)
[12:56]  * apachelogger is gsocing
[12:57] <Quintasan> oh, it's monday
[12:57] <Quintasan> sure
[12:58] <Riddell> apachelogger: what's the web module for?  why is that better than using a web browser?
[12:58] <apachelogger> it isn't it is just built in and looks neat ;)
[12:59] <Quintasan> libqt4-dev: Conflicts: libqtwebkit-dev but 2.0~week27-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1 is to be installed
[12:59] <apachelogger> particular rationale is that initially you will not be able to remove devices (i.e. remove access permission) via the KCM, so you can easily jump to the web module and do it there
[12:59] <Quintasan> apachelogger: we do not have that package in lucid, do we?
[12:59] <apachelogger> also I must repeat that it looks neat ^^
[13:00] <apachelogger> Quintasan: there are now two sources in the PPA .. the old qtwebkit and the new qtwebkit-source ... supposedly there is some conflicting going on between those two
[13:00] <apachelogger> that is just a guess though
[13:00] <Quintasan> O_O
[13:00] <Quintasan> and which one should we use?
[13:01] <apachelogger> the new one ;)
[13:01] <Quintasan> lol
[13:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: also, I was thinking to somehow make the general kcm also come in a info-only favor which then can embedd into kinfocenter
[13:03]  * apachelogger finds it a bit silly that the general module lists stuff such as name and email and subscription (especially since currently you cannot even upgrade via the KCM/API)
[13:03] <apachelogger> the subscription that is ^^
[13:03] <Quintasan> well
[13:03] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Conflicts: qt3-dev-tools (<= 3:3.3.4-7), libqtwebkit-dev
[13:03] <Quintasan> in qt4-xqq
[13:03] <Quintasan> x11*
[13:04] <apachelogger> Quintasan: for what pkg?
[13:04] <Quintasan> apachelogger: qt4-x11 in ninjas ppa
[13:04] <Quintasan> no version specified, just conflicts
[13:04] <Quintasan> and kdelibs lucid backport fails due to that
[13:05] <apachelogger> Quintasan: what binary package
[13:05] <apachelogger> qt4-x11 is no binary package :P
[13:05] <Riddell> apachelogger: does anyone use kinfocenter?
[13:05] <Quintasan> apachelogger: libqt4-dev
[13:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: dunno, but it is little effort since kinfocenter also uses KCMs
[13:05] <apachelogger> it is also neat ^^
[13:06]  * apachelogger thinks about selling points here
[13:06] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I think you will have to look into qt4-x11 then :S
[13:06] <apachelogger> me@osiris:~$ apt-cache show libqt4-dev|grep Conflicts
[13:06] <apachelogger> Conflicts: qt3-dev-tools (<= 3:3.3.4-7)
[13:06] <apachelogger> no confict there
[13:06] <apachelogger> but a breaks I have seen
[13:07] <Quintasan> apachelogger: download the debian.tar.gz for lucid backport ^_^
[13:07] <Quintasan> I will change it and reupload
[13:07] <apachelogger> I am just saying that mav does not have no conflict so obviously lucid needs to be fix0red ^^
[13:08] <Quintasan> apachelogger: anyways to get a new dsc without source tarball?
[13:08]  * Quintasan is too lazy to download
[13:08] <apachelogger> no
[13:09] <Quintasan> :<
[13:09] <apachelogger> well, technically, but you really do not want to go there
[13:09] <Quintasan> it's really really bad/
[13:09] <Quintasan> ?
[13:09]  * apachelogger is wondering how to build the shares kcm
[13:09] <apachelogger> Quintasan: well you need to do everything dpkg-source would be doing (calculating checksums and whatnot)
[13:10] <Quintasan> oh
[13:10] <Quintasan> I'm too lazy to do that
[13:10] <Quintasan> Downloading
[13:10] <Quintasan> ^^
[13:11] <Quintasan> Meanwhile I will get some tea and find my vaacum cleaner
[13:12] <CIA-98> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100802121147-ed2spnmjm8gd3l9x * src/statusnotifier/StatusNotifier.cpp when trying to connect change the statusnotifier to indicate this
[13:12]  * apachelogger ponders lunching
[13:13] <apachelogger> meh
[13:13]  * apachelogger patches a syncd again
[13:16]  * Riddell uploads the new kdebase-workspace tar to ninjas
[13:20] <Quintasan> wait
[13:20] <Quintasan> I do not have a lucid pbuilder
[13:26] <Quintasan> https://wiki.ubuntulinux.jp/Events/OSC2010Kansai
[13:26] <Quintasan> great
[13:27] <Quintasan> some reading for me
[13:27] <Riddell> Sput: is it possible to override quassel settings?
[13:27] <Riddell> in the way we do for kde apps in our kubuntu-default-settings package
[13:28] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I belive that libqt4-dev should depend on libqtwebkit-dev
[13:29] <Quintasan> ot at least recomment it 
[13:29] <Quintasan> s/t/d
[13:29] <apachelogger> how so?
[13:30] <Quintasan> hmmm
[13:30] <apachelogger> holy cheese 
[13:30] <apachelogger> ImportError: No module named ubuntu_sso
[13:31] <Quintasan> Wait
[13:31] <debfx> Quintasan: it already recommends libqtwebkit-dev
[13:31] <Quintasan> You are not using Python, are you?
[13:32] <Quintasan> what the heck
[13:32] <Quintasan> debfx: no it doesn't
[13:32] <apachelogger> you know
[13:32] <apachelogger> I didnt like python
[13:32] <apachelogger> now I truely hate it
[13:32] <Riddell> debfx: he's talking about lucid PPA
[13:32] <apachelogger> <3 ubuntuone
[13:33] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Replaces: libqtwebkit-dev
[13:33] <Quintasan> I think I should also get rid of that
[13:33] <apachelogger> oh great
[13:33] <Quintasan> and, qtwebkit or qtwebkit-source?
[13:33] <apachelogger> something is leaking into plasma again
[13:33] <apachelogger> Quintasan: latter
[13:34] <apachelogger> Quintasan: and yes supposedly you should
[13:34] <apachelogger> Quintasan: just hold on to maverick for reference
[13:34] <Riddell> Quintasan: is there a reason kdeaccessibility isn't in bzr?
[13:34] <Quintasan> Riddell: I probably didn't push
[13:37] <Quintasan> Riddell: pushed
[13:37] <Riddell> thanks
[13:37] <Sput> Riddell: depends on what you plan to do
[13:37] <Quintasan> apachelogger: so no recommends on libqtwebkit? :<
[13:37] <Riddell> Sput: turn off systray icon, turn on message indicator
[13:38]  * Quintasan thinks that would solve tons of problems with that
[13:38] <Sput> Riddell: mmmh, can your way of doing that drop config files in users' $HOME? or does it need to be a systemwide file in /etc?
[13:38] <Riddell> Quintasan: libqt4-dev does recommend libqtwebkit-dev in maverick so that's fine to add, but packages shouldn't expect that (it's a circular dependency)
[13:39] <Riddell> Sput: needs to be system wide
[13:39] <apachelogger> Quintasan: not if it is not in mav
[13:39] <Riddell> Sput: at the moment I've patched it which is ok but not very elegant
[13:39] <Sput> hokay, I'd need to write something for that, I guess... we don't have a global settings file atm
[13:39] <Quintasan> hah
[13:39] <Quintasan> I see
[13:39] <Riddell> Sput: that's what I thought
[13:40] <Riddell> Sput: here the patch incase you want to check I'm not breaking anything :)  http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/kubuntu_02_enable_message_indicator.diff
[13:41] <Sput> Riddell: that looks straightforward enough :)
[13:42] <yofel> Riddell: do you know someone from the sru team that can take a look at bug 573785? 
[13:42] <Quintasan> Riddell: what about that Kopete patch, did you look into it or I should make a hell on earth in #kopete? ^_^
[13:43] <apachelogger> :O
[13:43] <Quintasan> great
[13:43] <apachelogger>  KWallet::Wallet::openWallet(KWallet::Wallet::LocalWallet(), 0, KWallet::Wallet::Synchronous); yields 0
[13:43] <Quintasan> two hours of spare time while qt is rebuilding
[13:44] <apachelogger> today is super strange
[13:44] <apachelogger> and wth does kwallet source not obey kdelibs coding standard
[13:44] <Riddell> Quintasan: go ahead and put it in bzr
[13:44] <Quintasan> \o/
[13:47] <Riddell> Quintasan: do you still need lichts?
[13:47] <Riddell> yofel: I can upload to unapproved queue, then jdong or devfil are probably good to ping
[13:48] <yofel> ok, that would help, thanks
[13:48]  * apachelogger is wondering why xdg-open launches chrome
[13:49] <Quintasan> Riddell: yes, I will be working on it in a while
[13:49] <Quintasan> well
[13:49] <Quintasan> not today
[13:49] <Quintasan> unless kdelibs import is fixed I can't do anything
[13:49] <Quintasan> and shadeslayer reported it will be fixed in few days
[13:50] <yofel> the bug is set to 'In Progress' for the vcs-imports so that should be fixed soon I hope
[13:51] <Riddell> yofel: uploaded
[13:51] <CIA-98> [ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100802125041-sbkrs9gdnhnsc21r * src/AccessToken.cpp do not call realmKey() multiple times in one function
[13:51] <Riddell> so, ninjas, who's in favour of uploading 4.5.0 now to maverick for alpha 3?
[13:52] <Riddell> the random number generator on https://edge.launchpad.net/builders/ says "i3863 250 jobs (14 minutes)" so I guess we have buildds to use
[13:52] <Riddell> poor old PPA buildds "i3864 999 jobs (four days)" what is that all about
[13:52] <apachelogger> I think that is indeed very random ^^
[13:52]  * apachelogger is also wondering how that gets calcd to begin wiht
[13:52] <apachelogger> anyhow
[13:53] <Quintasan> Riddell: Well, I'm pretty sure it works. So I'd vote in favour
[13:53] <apachelogger> I am in favor of asking the universal decision maker
[13:53] <Quintasan> eight ball?
[13:53] <Quintasan> :D
[13:53] <apachelogger> unfrotunately it is dead
[13:53] <apachelogger> so lets use an 8ball plz
[13:54] <apachelogger> unfortunately we do not have an rbot so we cannot do it in here
[13:54] <apachelogger> what a chain of fail
[13:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: lets just upload
[13:54] <Riddell> it's a decision!
[13:54] <Riddell> I'll start preparing the upload, probably about half an hour for objections :)
[13:55] <apachelogger> from ubuntu_sso import DBUS_IFACE_AUTH_NAME, DBUS_PATH_AUTH
[13:55] <apachelogger> supposedly they plan on renaming the dbus iface name
[13:56]  * apachelogger should have gone on lunch break when he pondered
[13:58]  * Riddell pushes apachelogger to lunchpad
[14:00]  * apachelogger giggles
[14:01]  * yofel notes that it might take a while as the vending machines on lunchpad like to time out usually
[14:03] <Quintasan> Riddell: speak about the devil
[14:03] <Quintasan> kdelibs import is fixed
[14:04] <Riddell> Quintasan: goodness
[14:04] <Riddell> Quintasan: if you're onto kdelibs does this mean qt daily builds are available and working?
[14:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: we pwn all builders for alpha 3
[14:05] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yep
[14:05] <Riddell> shadeslayer: where?
[14:05] <shadeslayer> Riddell: at ~neon?
[14:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/ppa
[14:06] <shadeslayer> our ppa size was bumped
[14:06] <Quintasan> Bazaar Subversion Plugin Edit  	Fix Released
[14:06] <shadeslayer> :O
[14:07] <Riddell> "project-neon-qt   12 days ago "  not very daily :)
[14:07] <Riddell> shadeslayer: is that from qt git head?
[14:07] <shadeslayer> ah Quintasan update that :P
[14:07] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kde-qt i believe
[14:07] <Quintasan> this is kde-qt
[14:07] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: dude.. put the recipe online then i can trigger builds as well
[14:07] <Quintasan> there were no further commits I belive
[14:07] <shadeslayer> using the web ui
[14:08] <Riddell> web ui?
[14:08] <Riddell> hmm, no yuiry to fix bug 602129
[14:09] <Riddell> wee task for anyone not already busy with 5 other tasks ^^
[14:11] <Quintasan> Pending build on 2010-08-05 (estimated) Maverick Project Neon
[14:11] <Quintasan> \o/
[14:11] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Import started 2 hours ago on russkaya and finished 2 hours ago taking a minute — see the log
[14:11] <CIA-98> [ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100802131116-4n4kdu0ogtnzws8r * src/ (__init__.py AuthHandler.cpp CMakeLists.txt) mess with the python foo to make the syncdaemon work again ... what a mess ...
[14:11] <Quintasan> no newer imports on kde-qt
[14:12] <Riddell> I wonder who maintains the kde-qt git branch
[14:14] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: awesome :)
[14:14] <shadeslayer> but small problem
[14:14] <Quintasan> ?
[14:14] <shadeslayer> we need custom kdmrc
[14:15] <shadeslayer> because we need to launch kde neon or kde normal from kdm
[14:15] <Quintasan> are we building kde yet?
[14:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^
[14:15] <shadeslayer> not yet ^_^
[14:15] <Quintasan> so, chill out
[14:15] <Quintasan> :P
[14:16] <Quintasan> Start 2010-08-05
[14:16] <Quintasan> lol
[14:16] <Quintasan> in three days
[14:16] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[14:17] <Quintasan> nothing to laugh at
[14:17] <Quintasan> we are stalled at best
[14:17] <Quintasan> :P
[14:17] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: btw you initiated build of kdelibs?
[14:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: wah?
[14:20] <apachelogger> what yo uneed is an xsession desktop file
[14:20] <apachelogger> see /usr/share/xsession(s)
[14:20] <shadeslayer> yeah that too
[14:21] <shadeslayer> and we need to put that as a custom entry in kdmrc
[14:21] <shadeslayer> or thats what i think....
[14:21] <apachelogger> why?
[14:21] <apachelogger> you would not be running neon kdm anyway
[14:21] <apachelogger> only a mad man would
[14:21] <shadeslayer> hehe
[14:21] <apachelogger> besides, maintaining that sort of thing is quite the effort
[14:22] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: dude where is the fricking kdelibs import?
[14:22]  * apachelogger has loads of ideas today
[14:22] <shadeslayer> i cant find it :P
[14:22] <yofel> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/kdelibs/kde4 ?
[14:22] <shadeslayer> thanks yofel
[14:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: we could take over ubuntu-sso-client and support gnome-keyring too ... I sort of feel like looking more into Qt plugin creation, so our ubuntu-sso would then have a kwallet and keyring plugin
[14:23]  * apachelogger also notes that this would eliminate the need to link against kwallet which is a bit odd because the thing itsel fis called ubuntu-sso-qt ;)
[14:23] <shadeslayer> apart from that .. its still pulling in stuff
[14:31] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: fail!
[14:32] <debfx> Riddell: attached a debdiff to bug #602129
[14:33] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: were still stuck :)
[14:33] <shadeslayer> because it wont happen till lp releases new stuff
[14:38] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: we get to work next week
[14:39] <Riddell> debfx: have I ever said you rock?
[14:40] <Riddell> debfx: uploaded thanks
[14:42] <Quintasan> :/
[14:42] <Quintasan> they should learn to release stuff like that immediately
[14:47] <shadeslayer> debian dev says we dont co operate much ^_^
[14:48] <shadeslayer> Riddell: err.. why was the nm widget removed?
[14:48] <Riddell> ask him what he'd like to see
[14:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: because I installed kde-full which recommends network-manager-kde which conflicts with the plasma widget
[14:49] <shadeslayer> oh i see
[14:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/eQ1xSqb5
[14:49] <shadeslayer> line 20 onwards :P
[14:52] <Riddell> shadeslayer: curious, our webkitkde package was uploaded 18 months ago, Debian's was uploaded 12 months ago, seems like he should be contacting us
[14:53] <Riddell> and since you did contact him, not sure what the issue is
[14:54] <shadeslayer> Riddell: maybe because we didnt send him the fix for a packaging bug? :)
[14:55] <sheytan> hi guys
[14:56] <sheytan> i have a question
[14:56] <sheytan>  will someone fix that 'lost and found' section in system settings for kde 4.5 and packages for lucid?
[14:56] <sheytan> i mean, they should go to related categories
[14:57] <Riddell> sheytan: yes that needs to be fixed
[14:57] <Riddell> volunteers welcome
[14:58] <sheytan> Riddell i woul help, but im not a dev :(
[14:58] <shadeslayer> sheytan: you dont need to be... :P
[14:58]  * Riddell puts the "I'm a dev" hat on sheytan 
[14:58] <sheytan> shadeslayer, then what shoul i do to fix?
[14:58] <shadeslayer> im pressed for time myself :P
[14:58] <shadeslayer> hmm.. 
[14:59] <shadeslayer> sheytan: first test if you still have the problem
[14:59] <sheytan> shadeslayer yep
[14:59] <sheytan> i'm on kde 4.5 right now
[14:59] <shadeslayer> sheytan: with new 4.5 release ;)
[14:59] <Quintasan> Riddell: Do you think if I could apply for kubuntu-dev now?
[14:59] <Riddell> sheytan: look at the Categories= line in the .desktop files in /usr/share/kde4/services/
[15:00] <Riddell> and work out what it should be based on other .desktop files that aren't broken
[15:00] <shadeslayer> sheytan: you have the RC right?
[15:00] <sheytan> shadeslayer yes
[15:00] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: is lucid backporting done?
[15:00] <Riddell> Quintasan: maybe, I'd need to review your packaging skills, can't hurt to update your wiki page in preparation though
[15:01] <shadeslayer> sheytan: actually there was a final release :)
[15:01] <shadeslayer> which is being worked on :P
[15:01] <sheytan> shadeslayer but no packages :D
[15:01] <shadeslayer> youd think so :P
[15:01] <Riddell> Quintasan: does amarok crash for you on startup?
[15:01] <sheytan> shadeslayer i know that someone is working on them, to propably release packages with kde release :D
[15:02] <shadeslayer> sheytan: yep.. ok so now, in maverick i have this under lost and found : http://imgur.com/i1UnA
[15:03] <Riddell> Quintasan: kdepimlibs not pushed?
[15:03] <sheytan> shadeslayer i have some more, but im working on this. I'll try to put things where they should be ;)
[15:03] <Riddell> sheytan: we have maverick packages if you want to help test
[15:03] <sheytan> i think i know how :D
[15:03] <shadeslayer> sure :D
[15:04] <sheytan> Riddell i need to upgrade to maveric, righty?
[15:04] <shadeslayer> sheytan: yep
[15:04] <sheytan> shadeslayer: font: where from? :D
[15:04] <shadeslayer> sheytan: ubuntu private ppa ;)
[15:04] <shadeslayer> its the ubuntu font
[15:04] <sheytan> shadeslayer link?
[15:04] <shadeslayer> sheytan: only ubuntu members get access :p
[15:04] <sheytan> :(
[15:05] <shadeslayer> its pretty good looking right?
[15:05] <Riddell> sheytan: yes, if you're on lucid hang around and we'll get you to test the lucid packages when they're done
[15:05] <sheytan> Riddell sure :)
[15:05] <sheytan> shadeslayer it looks awesome :D
[15:05] <shadeslayer> hmm.. ok .. so im upgrading kde to 4.5 from ninja ppa :P
[15:05] <sheytan> will be included in mm?
[15:05] <shadeslayer> yet to be decided
[15:05] <Riddell> shadeslayer: kdegames not pushed?
[15:05] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ubuntu fonts had a new release
[15:05] <sheytan> shadeslayer vote for it :D
[15:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: pushed to bzr about 15 mins ago
[15:06] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: did you fix kde4libs?
[15:06] <shadeslayer> or should i
[15:07] <shadeslayer> ok err
[15:07] <shadeslayer> needs changelog merge
[15:09] <Riddell> I did that
[15:09] <Riddell> no I didn't
[15:09] <Riddell> I did something else
[15:09] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ok so i should fix in bzr right?
[15:10] <sheytan> ha!
[15:10] <sheytan> i know how to fix it :D
[15:10] <shadeslayer> sheytan++
[15:10] <sheytan> but who's that one who's resposible for that? :D
[15:10] <sheytan> i mean, someone needs to make those changes
[15:10] <sheytan> to put to packages
[15:11] <shadeslayer> well you can send in patches to use
[15:11] <shadeslayer> *us 
[15:11] <debfx> Riddell: I have another fix for some virtuoso upgrade issues: #608878
[15:11] <shadeslayer> and then kde upstream i guess
[15:11] <debfx> bug #608878
[15:11] <sheytan> shadeslayer i don't know how to create them :D
[15:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: im pushing the commit to bzr if thats ok
[15:12] <shadeslayer> sheytan: ah simple : diff -Nru old.file new.file
[15:12] <shadeslayer> diff -Nru old.file new.file >name.patch
[15:13] <Riddell> ~kubuntu-users added to beta font ppa group
[15:13] <sheytan> shadeslayer see you in few minutes then :D
[15:13] <Riddell> first time that team has had any purpose
[15:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: saw that on lp ;)
[15:13] <shadeslayer> sheytan: ciao
[15:13] <shadeslayer> i meant #launchpad
[15:16] <shadeslayer> Riddell: im pushing to bzr branch then 
[15:17] <Riddell> http://twitter.com/undacuvabrutha  "UDS N (11.04) will be in Orlando, Florida (Oct 25-29). With Disney AND Ubuntu there, it will now truly be the happiest place on earth :P" <--  date for your diary folks 
[15:17] <shadeslayer> whee
[15:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/20junXnV < hahahaha
[15:17] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: what is wrong with kde4libs?
[15:17] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: the bzr branch :P
[15:18] <Quintasan> oh
[15:18] <shadeslayer> i fixed it now
[15:18] <shadeslayer> waiting for Riddell's nod
[15:18] <Quintasan> apachelogger - ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED - Write the longest changelog entry ever seen
[15:19] <shadeslayer> truly
[15:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: is there a blong entry about the next UDS? :)
[15:19] <Riddell> shadeslayer: blogs?  everything is on twitter now don't you know
[15:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer: nod
[15:20] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i still like the blogz
[15:21]  * Quintasan wants to go but he is still minor
[15:22] <Quintasan> just few months
[15:22]  * Quintasan gets in queue each UDS
[15:22] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: uh.. how old are you? :)
[15:22] <Quintasan> 17
[15:22] <shadeslayer> :O
[15:22] <Quintasan> What?
[15:22] <shadeslayer> 18 :P
[15:22] <Quintasan> :O
[15:22] <Quintasan> I belive I'm the youngest one here
[15:23] <sheytan> dooone ;D
[15:23] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i could have come earlier...
[15:23] <Quintasan> hmm
[15:23] <shadeslayer> but i was unsure i could do it
[15:23] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: are you patching desktop files?
[15:23] <Quintasan> sheytan: ^
[15:23] <shadeslayer> nope
[15:23] <Quintasan> LO
[15:23] <shadeslayer> :P
[15:23] <Quintasan> :P
[15:24] <sheytan> shadeslayer i replaced the oryginal files :D
[15:24] <shadeslayer> ok im off to get my broken phone back from repairs
[15:24] <sheytan> can i still make a patch from?
[15:24] <Quintasan> sheytan: well, I would go and poke upstream first, if they are too lazy to do that then we are going to patch it
[15:24] <shadeslayer> original files ? 0_o
[15:24] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: well
[15:24] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i dont think even his patch will get in before 4.5.1 :P
[15:24] <sheytan> yep  :D
[15:24] <Quintasan> cp desktop.files desktopfile.orgin
[15:24] <Quintasan> edit desktop.file
[15:25] <shadeslayer> oh i see
[15:25] <Quintasan> diff -Nru desktop.file destkopfile.orgin
[15:25] <Quintasan> oh
[15:25] <sheytan> http://img696.imageshack.us/i/83970638.png/
[15:25] <Quintasan> diff -Nru desktop.file destkopfile.orgin > desktopfile.diff
[15:25] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i did that mistake too :P
[15:25] <Quintasan> good
[15:25] <shadeslayer> sheytan: awesome
[15:25] <Quintasan> sheytan: do the steps and you will have ready patches for us
[15:25] <sheytan> Quintasan can i send you those fixed files, you'll make paatches?
[15:25] <Quintasan> or upstream
[15:26] <Quintasan> sheytan: I'm busy with controlling meat on mah grill
[15:26] <Quintasan> :P
[15:26] <sheytan> oh :D
[15:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kdelibs fix0red in bzr have fun :D
[15:26] <shadeslayer> shadeslayer out
[15:26] <sheytan> then i need the original files
[15:26] <Quintasan> just get those diffs around and I (or someone else) will upload them
[15:27] <sheytan> i have rc2 on my vbox 
[15:27] <sheytan> will get the oryginal files from there :D
[15:27] <Riddell> sheytan: which modules needed fixing?
[15:28] <sheytan> Riddell k3b, usermanagement, touchpad, gtk appearence, other notifications
[15:28] <Quintasan> sheytan: The best thing would be to read those desktop files to find out the author
[15:28] <sheytan> Riddell ive got fixed desktop files, maybe i can send them to you, then you create paches?
[15:29] <Quintasan> and go to #kde-devel and make sure they know that
[15:29] <Riddell> sheytan: dpkg -S <nameof.desktop>  will show you the source package
[15:29] <sheytan> Quintasan, but only k3b is the default for KDE :)
[15:29]  * Quintasan loves pushing work on upstream
[15:29] <Riddell> then   apt-get source <source-package>
[15:29] <Riddell> then make a diff and put it in debian/patches/<appropriate name>
[15:29] <Riddell> then dch -i  to add a changelog entry
[15:30] <Riddell> debuild -S  to build a source package
[15:30] <Riddell> debdiff <old>.dsc <new>.dsc    and you're done!
[15:30] <Riddell> sheytan: want to try following that?
[15:31] <sheytan> Riddell i think it would be easier when i send them to you :)
[15:31] <sheytan> th fixed files
[15:32] <Riddell> sheytan: send them to kubuntu-devel mailing list then
[15:32] <sheytan> Riddell how to ;d
[15:33] <shadeslayer> sheytan: send mail with patches to kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
[15:33] <shadeslayer> patches as attachments :P
[15:33] <shadeslayer> Riddell: sent in a suggestion regarding fonts
[15:34] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what is autohinting?
[15:34] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Font_hinting
[15:35] <shadeslayer> it makes your desktop look *way* better
[15:35] <Quintasan> qt built!
[15:35] <Quintasan> kdelibs 4 lucid fixxxoring
[15:37] <shadeslayer> apparently i dont need to go :D
[15:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: did you enable the autohinting ?
[15:38] <shadeslayer> dantti: question regarding kpk
[15:39] <shadeslayer> will you fix the bug where kpk keeps checking for updates even when i disabled it?
[15:39] <dantti> shadeslayer: how did you disable it?
[15:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer: not yet, don't want to restart X just now
[15:40] <stalcup> apachelogger: merge directive?
[15:40] <shadeslayer> dantti: http://imgur.com/XpQQM
[15:40] <sheytan> hey
[15:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ah ok :)
[15:40] <sheytan> do you think we can move printer to hardware from system admin.?
[15:40] <dantti> shadeslayer: that's not kpk
[15:41] <shadeslayer> really?
[15:41] <Riddell> sheytan: yes I think that would be sensible
[15:41] <shadeslayer> i thought that was... :P
[15:41] <sheytan> Riddell ok ;)
[15:41] <shadeslayer> dantti: whuz it then?
[15:42] <Riddell> shadeslayer: that's a kubuntu patch to kpackagekit to launch software-properties
[15:42] <shadeslayer> :O
[15:42] <Riddell> which is a standalone app
[15:42] <dantti> shadeslayer: yup, the actuall configuration is hidden
[15:42] <shadeslayer> now why would that be :p
[15:43] <Riddell> because software-properties gives much more control over the setup than packagekit can
[15:43] <dantti> kind of an integration problem, imo it's nicer for kpk to check for updates (since you see an icon on systray that you can easily cancel)
[15:44] <dantti> but about setting sources Riddell is right
[15:45] <shadeslayer> didnt know ..
[15:46] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://imgur.com/gallery/OBTHR >> WOW
[15:50] <sheytan> http://img715.imageshack.us/f/ss1r.png/
[15:53] <yofel> shadeslayer: the 2009 variant even has shock-resistance built-in :P
[15:53] <shadeslayer> yofel: lol
[15:54] <sheytan> Riddell i send the desktop files. Can you check if they're there? :D
[15:58] <sheytan> Riddell i can't post to this mailing list :(
[15:58] <Riddell> sheytan: you should subscribe then
[15:58] <sheytan> Riddell how can i
[15:58] <sheytan> ?
[15:59] <Riddell> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
[15:59] <shadeslayer> we should have that link in the topi
[15:59] <shadeslayer> *topic
[15:59] <Riddell> our topic is long enough
[16:00] <Quintasan> true
[16:02] <Quintasan> http://imgur.com/gallery/Q23Id
[16:02] <Quintasan> oh god
[16:03] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: how is that thing even running :p
[16:04] <sheytan> done
[16:05] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: we have a issue :)
[16:06] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://pastebin.com/JmgLE2U7
[16:07] <shadeslayer> and subscribe to the kde-packager list :P
[16:08] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I did that
[16:08] <Quintasan> but they won't approve
[16:08] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: poke Riddell then :P
[16:09] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: and you are pastebining me some mail without any info about the "problem"
[16:09] <Quintasan> do we even know how to reproduce it?
[16:09] <Quintasan> Riddell: poke
[16:09] <shadeslayer> dude.. repackage kdebase-workspace :P
[16:09] <Quintasan> FFS
[16:09] <Quintasan> repackage with what?
[16:10] <Quintasan> I'll look into it myself
[16:10] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: dude.. new tarball
[16:10] <Quintasan> LOL
[16:10] <Quintasan> kdebase-workspace 2 hours 20 minutes ago
[16:10] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: nice timing ^
[16:11] <Quintasan> Riddell did that
[16:11] <shadeslayer> hehe :)
[16:14] <sheytan> hahaha, i made a mouse KCM from the touchpad :D
[16:14] <sheytan> need to fix :D
[16:15] <ScottK> Riddell: I see you decided "before Alpha 3" for 4.5.0.
[16:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: any ideas when we can apply for UDS?
[16:21] <shadeslayer> sheytan: id rather have a patch than the whole file :D
[16:21] <sheytan> shadeslayer, it's too much work for me for the first time. :D I have never done it before
[16:22] <sheytan> and i have to go now, but i think you  guys can make it :)
[16:23] <sheytan> ok, guys. I hope i helped a little :)
[16:23] <sheytan> See you soon, bye :)
[16:23] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: lol @ https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+build/1899415/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.kde4libs_4:4.5.0-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[16:23] <shadeslayer> sheytan: thanks !
[16:23] <sheytan> welcome :)
[16:26] <ScottK> Riddell: I can help out with sponsoring in a couple of hours.  I'll just need to know where to start.
[16:31] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: btw if you fix that FTBFS do tell me how you did it
[16:33] <debfx> fix for gtk kcm category: http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/kcm-gtk_0.5.3-0ubuntu6.debdiff
[16:34] <shadeslayer> debfx: can you help with https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+build/1899415/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.kde4libs_4:4.5.0-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[16:39] <debfx> shadeslayer: does it also ftbfs in a local pbuilder?
[16:39] <shadeslayer> idk ill have to check :P
[16:39] <shadeslayer> but i have no lucid pbuilder
[16:40] <shadeslayer> i think its a error on part of the builder
[16:41] <debfx> that error message is very mysterious
[16:41] <shadeslayer> poor i386 ppa builders
[16:42] <shadeslayer> debfx: yep
[16:42] <debfx> any reason why the latest qt4-x11 version isn't backported?
[16:42] <yofel> shadeslayer: is that an dpkg-deb fail? (I don't have access to the log so I'm guessing)
[16:42] <debfx> it contains all the fixes and transitional packages that are necessary
[16:43] <yofel> oh wait, that's lucid
[16:43] <yofel> nvm
[16:43] <shadeslayer> :)
[16:43] <debfx> is it because we want to keep libqt4-multimedia on lucid?
[16:43] <shadeslayer> yofel: it was a dpkg-deb fail tho.. exit error 1 
[16:44] <yofel> there was a dpkg-deb segfault on maverick, but that's fixed I think
[16:44] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: lol, qt4-x11 was borken
[16:44] <shadeslayer> :S
[16:44] <Quintasan> conflicting with libqtwebkit-dev
[16:44] <Riddell> ScottK: I think my bandwidth should be sufficient
[16:44] <Quintasan> I uploaded fix and now retrying
[16:45] <shadeslayer> already retried kde4libs ;)
[16:45] <Quintasan> bbl playing HoN
[16:47] <debfx> Quintasan: what's the reason for not updating the backport to ubuntu3?
[16:49] <Riddell> debfx: probably only that python-qt4 would need changes
[16:50] <Riddell> rekonq hasn't crashed since updating to 4.5 final
[16:50] <Riddell> on the other hand amarok has several times
[16:51] <shadeslayer> hehe :p
[16:51] <shadeslayer> replace amarok with clementine :D
[16:53] <shadeslayer> debfx: i think its a problem with  /var/cache/apt/archives/libqtwebkit-dev_2.0~week27-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1_amd64.deb
[17:00] <shadeslayer> aha!
[17:00] <shadeslayer> debfx:  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/modules/qt_webkit_version.pri', which is also in package qt4-qmake 4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa2
[17:00] <debfx> shadeslayer: there's still the old qtwebkit source package in the ppa
[17:00] <shadeslayer> bah... :S
[17:01] <debfx> i'll remove it and backport qt4-x11 -ubuntu3
[17:01] <shadeslayer> awesome 
[17:03] <shadeslayer> debfx: can you ping me when its done? so i can upload kdepimlibs?
[17:07] <debfx> hm, do we really want to backport the qtwebkit split?
[17:08] <shadeslayer> apparently yes
[17:12] <Riddell> lots of people joining ~kubuntu-user today
[17:13] <shadeslayer> haha :P
[17:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: testing testing :P
[17:16] <debfx> that will break the build-dependencies of some packages (all the ones we fixed in maverick)
[17:16] <debfx> unless we add a circular dependency
[17:16] <shadeslayer> debfx: if we dont.. we break kdelibs
[17:16] <shadeslayer> so choose :)
[17:17] <Riddell> I don't mind breaking build-dependencies much
[17:17] <Riddell> so long as people can install all packages ok
[17:22] <Quintasan> fff
[17:23] <Quintasan> libs failed?
[17:23] <Quintasan> and epic timeouts on LP as usual
[17:23] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: qtwebkit is broke
[17:23] <shadeslayer> debfx is fix0ring
[17:23] <Quintasan> great
[17:24] <Quintasan> debfx: will you retry kdelibs then?
[17:24] <debfx> Quintasan: yes, can do that
[17:24] <shadeslayer> and then i can upload pimlibs
[17:26] <debfx> Riddell: could you please retry https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/konq-plugins/4:4.4.0-2ubuntu2
[17:28] <Riddell> debfx: done
[17:28] <shadeslayer> Riddell: uploaded kdegames but not kdelibs? :P
[17:28] <shadeslayer> and sparc fails right away
[17:29] <shadeslayer> which was pretty quick
[17:29] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ScottK likes them uploaded in reverse
[17:29] <shadeslayer> whut? why ? :D
[17:32] <dantti> Riddell: if you push packagekit today can we change it later for the beta?
[17:33] <shadeslayer> Riddell: do you manually download all sources and upload one by one? :P
[17:34] <Riddell> dantti: yes
[17:34] <shadeslayer> and kdeedu goes down as well
[17:34] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes, I get the tar from ktown and the packaging from bzr
[17:34] <shadeslayer> quite the effort aint it :P
[17:35] <Riddell> shadeslayer: uploading in reverse alledgedly puts arm builds into build wait rather than fail so they start again when the dependencies are done
[17:35]  * shadeslayer points out that kde is still updating tarballs on ktown
[17:35] <shadeslayer> nice
[17:41] <apachelogger> bzr help send
[17:41] <apachelogger> stalcup: ^
[17:41] <apachelogger> merge directive
[17:43]  * shadeslayer gets spammed by the LP
[17:43]  * shadeslayer dances with apachelogger in the rains
[17:43] <shadeslayer> its raining pythons and rubies :P
[17:43] <apachelogger> no rains here :P
[17:43] <shadeslayer> no kubotu ... :P
[17:44] <shadeslayer> else we could have made it rain there too 
[17:46]  * shadeslayer looks at karma shoot up
[18:08] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: we now ownz the official builders
[18:08]  * Riddell gets spammed by people joining ~kubuntu-users
[18:09] <shadeslayer> ill save this screenshot forever http://imgur.com/gTKdB
[18:09] <shadeslayer> Riddell: how did so many people come to know?
[18:09] <Riddell> I e-mailed kubuntu-users mailing list
[18:10] <shadeslayer> oh great :P
[18:10] <shadeslayer> how many did we have before the email?
[18:10] <Riddell> no idea
[18:10]  * shadeslayer guesses 550 or something
[18:10] <shadeslayer> i think ^
[18:10] <shadeslayer> now we have 660 :P
[18:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: we had releases where we litterally owned the whole build farm
[18:10] <apachelogger> well, almost
[18:11] <apachelogger> PPA builds && archive builds
[18:11] <apachelogger> that was madness, I tell you ^^
[18:11] <shadeslayer> hehe
[18:11] <shadeslayer> debfx: is qt fixed?
[18:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: should I upload l10n? ... it is not getting imported in time anyway I suppose
[18:11] <shadeslayer> or make that qtwebkit
[18:12] <debfx> shadeslayer: qt is building
[18:12] <shadeslayer> so we shall know in 1 hour
[18:15] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes if you have the time and bandwidth
[18:16] <Riddell> debfx: this is in lucid?
[18:16] <apachelogger> uploading
[18:16] <CIA-98> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100802171649-37wt5gj5pfe67ctq * src/kcmodule/Module.ui revise element order
[18:17] <debfx> Riddell: yes, lucid
[18:17] <Riddell> debfx: what's the plan for qt in lucid?
[18:19] <debfx> Riddell: the plan is to keep qtmultimedia for now
[18:19] <debfx> and backport qtwebkit as it is in maverick
[18:20] <CIA-98> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100802171954-9v1nvkq38ljqpfox * src/kcmodule/ (InfoWidget.cpp InfoWidget.h InfoWidget.ui CMakeLists.txt) Fork-off information junk from KCM
[18:32] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm around now.  Is there still stuff that needs uploading?
[18:33] <Riddell> ScottK: it's all uploaded
[18:33] <Riddell> except kde-l10n which is eating up apachelogger's bandwidth
[18:33] <ScottK> OK.  Cool.
[18:33] <Riddell> and we can't do lucid packaging until qt compiles
[18:33] <apachelogger> how very true
[18:33] <Riddell> so it's all eerily quiet
[18:33]  * ScottK urges NCommander to peddle faster on kdebindings for armel.
[18:35] <apachelogger> hm
[18:35] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you happen to know if I can embedd a KCM inside a KCM?
[18:36] <apachelogger> like KCM A has a layout and that layout counts a KCM B and some other stuff
[18:36] <Riddell> apachelogger: that sounds unwise
[18:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: how so?
[18:36] <Riddell> wouldn't the signals get all confused?
[18:37] <apachelogger> no, B would be a child of A
[18:37] <nigelb> apachelogger: I just talked to somone about fluffy
[18:38] <nigelb> and he hadn't heard of it.  this is how it was introduced.
[18:38] <nigelb>  < rww> AlanBell: see http://apachelog.wordpress.com/ . The relevant entries are the ones containing large quantities of pink.
[18:39] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, maybe it is not a good idea at all ... but I was thinking since a widget containing the ubuntuone infos such as username and email would need to be hooked up with the API and permit resets to defaults etc. 
[18:40] <apachelogger> now doing that indivdually for every application that might or might not use the widget is a bit ugly, so I was thinking that I do that in a parenting KCM as sort of convenience layer
[18:41] <apachelogger> that way I can have the General KCM contain the info KCM, where I just need to hook up those two with their load, save, defaults functions and do not need to worry about the API foo
[18:42] <apachelogger> and at the same time that also allows usage in kinfocenter of course ;)
[18:42] <apachelogger> nigelb: ha! terrific :D
[18:42] <nigelb> apachelogger: :)
[18:45] <debfx> ScottK: do you want to sponsor some bug fixes? :)
[18:45] <ScottK> debfx: Maybe.
[18:46] <debfx> ScottK: bug #608878
[18:47] <ScottK> Riddell: The way we are using breaks in meta-kde now makes it so stuff starts to fail rather than depwait once it's updated.  That's the one that should wait until last in the future.
[18:49] <CIA-98> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100802174926-q1d635nh2ya17dbp * src/kcmodule/ (InfoWidget.cpp InfoWidget.h InfoWidget.ui) infowidget complete (looks like it anyway)
[18:50] <shadeslayer> im yet to figure a way on how to use http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/oxygen-transparent?content=127752
[18:50] <shadeslayer> oh wait
[18:51] <shadeslayer> aha! :D
[18:51] <ScottK> debfx: Why do we need virtuoso-opensource-6.0 as a transitional package?  Won't it just get pulled in by the newer virtuoso-foo package?
[18:52] <debfx> ScottK: the prerm script of the old virtuoso-opensource-6.0 fails because it wants to create a symlink that already exists
[18:52] <debfx> so the prerm script of the transitional package needs to take care of the cleanup
[18:53] <sheytan> Riddell packages ready? :D
[18:53] <ScottK> What's the conffile and why is it moved?
[18:54] <debfx> ScottK: the init script, it's removed
[18:54] <CIA-98> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100802175412-ijnoopvbm1fn1zpx * src/kcmodule/ (InfoWidget.cpp InfoWidget.h) Ok, it was not complete :P
[18:55] <debfx> ScottK: it just checks if virtuoso is installed so it starts even if 6.1 is installed
[18:55] <ScottK> I see.
[18:56] <ScottK> Does 6.1 have it's own initscript?
[18:56] <debfx> yes
[18:57] <debfx> but don't ask me why the package needs to have versioned names in the first place
[18:57] <ScottK> That's normal for shared libraries, but those don't generally have initscripts.
[18:59] <debfx> it seems to only have private shared libraries
[19:00] <shadeslayer> Riddell: will the whole of KDE be done in 12 hours?
[19:01] <shadeslayer> then i can upgrade from my college wifi @ 300 KBps
[19:03] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Which architecture?
[19:03] <shadeslayer> amd64
[19:04] <ScottK> Unlikeyl.
[19:04] <shadeslayer> :(
[19:04] <stalcup> there's always the ppa
[19:04] <shadeslayer> then i have to upgrade at 70 KBps :P
[19:04] <shadeslayer> stalcup: then i have to upgrade again when the release is fully build
[19:04] <stalcup> true
[19:04] <apachelogger> oh oh oh
[19:04] <ScottK> debfx: Why does the old package fail to upgrade?
[19:05] <stalcup> but then again, with the speed in which apachelogger makes fixes - you'll be updating all the time :o
[19:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: this actually seems to be working just fine
[19:05] <shadeslayer> hehe
[19:05] <apachelogger> uh?
[19:05]  * apachelogger doesnt follow
[19:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hows koo boon too one coming along?
[19:07] <debfx> ScottK: it tries to create a symlink that already exists: ln -s /etc/init.d/$VOS_SERVER /etc/init.d/virtuoso
[19:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: broken
[19:12]  * apachelogger was just refactoring when suddenly he found himself in a rewrite
[19:13] <ScottK> debfx: OK.
[19:14] <apachelogger> this is scary
[19:15] <NCommander> ScottK: its on my TODO list. When I get to it, I don't know
[19:16] <apachelogger> GeneralModule(KCM) has a layout which contains a InfoModule(KCM) which has a layout which contains a InfoWidget(QWidget) which has loads of stuff
[19:16] <apachelogger> \o/
[19:16]  * ScottK writes Kubuntu on armel off for Alpha 3.
[19:16] <apachelogger> madness prevails again
[19:17] <CIA-98> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100802181653-6to6zdf6jbssd68x * src/kcmodule/ (5 files) Hello InfoModule
[19:18] <Quintasan> debfx: did you fix the things you had to?
[19:18] <Quintasan> oh
[19:18] <Quintasan> rebuilding
[19:18] <Quintasan> debfx: thanjs
[19:18] <Quintasan> thanks*
[19:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hehe :P
[19:19] <shadeslayer> will it be finished in time for pencils down
[19:20] <apachelogger> ...
[19:20] <apachelogger> ...
[19:20] <apachelogger> http://imagebin.ca/view/3tuFXhZL.html
[19:20] <debfx> Quintasan: i'm not really sure if it fixes the problem as the error message doesn't contain any useful information
[19:20] <apachelogger> all your kinfocenter are belong to us!
[19:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I shall hope so
[19:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: 'looks' good :)
[19:21] <shadeslayer> also
[19:21] <shadeslayer> why is your composting off?
[19:21] <CIA-98> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100802182106-gizs5hc2lb95vfb4 * src/kcmodule/ (ubuntuone-info.desktop CMakeLists.txt) add service desktop file to bring u1 love to kinfocenter :D
[19:21] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: dunno
[19:21] <shadeslayer> 0_o
[19:22] <apachelogger> I turned it off because at times my system gets sluggish from it
[19:22] <apachelogger> now I cant turn it on anymore
[19:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: tried alt+shift+F12 ?
[19:23] <apachelogger> uh
[19:23] <apachelogger> http://imagebin.ca/view/BYQ6PZ.html
[19:23] <apachelogger> that is one cruel cat owner
[19:23] <apachelogger> :'(
[19:23] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: does not do the help
[19:24] <shadeslayer> aww
[19:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: your cat?
[19:24] <shadeslayer> :P
[19:26] <apachelogger> no
[19:26] <apachelogger> mine is locked away
[19:26] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/2010-01-06 23.19.54.jpg
[19:27] <yofel> haha
[19:27] <shadeslayer> lol
[19:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i like http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/26751_1382647654862_1492093627_31029533_7507863_n.jpg
[19:28] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Hey /b/?
[19:28] <Quintasan> What were you expecting from /b/ lurker?
[19:28] <Quintasan> :D
[19:28] <apachelogger> well ... darth vader likes to shop in vienna
[19:28] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[19:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you haz own cloud on kollide? :O
[19:31] <shadeslayer> http://aplg.kollide.net/owncloud/
[19:31] <apachelogger> I does obviously :P
[19:33] <CIA-98> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100802183230-v9b961qt5zkv3sfw * src/api/ (Api.cpp Api.h) do not typedef stuff publicly as to prevent header includes!
[19:33] <CIA-98> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100802183303-3od0olk2a2imozx4 * src/kcmodule/ (6 files) And Folders became FolderModule
[19:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: heh kollide.net says "Coming Soon" for the past ... how many years?
[19:34] <CIA-98> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100802183446-4z8ia2bi4zmo8ft9 * src/kcmodule/ (WebModule.cpp WebModule.h CMakeLists.txt Module.cpp) And Web became WebModule
[19:36] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: well it is not particularly important stuff is it 
[19:37] <shadeslayer> nah :P
[19:37] <shadeslayer> who gets a account on kollide btw>
[19:38] <apachelogger> those who ask and have reason to get one
[19:38]  * apachelogger loves where this kcm stuff is going
[19:39] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: this changelog pwns apachelogger http://pastebin.com/aiP7CTJc
[19:44] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that is just a long list of things that wer applied over time :P
[19:45] <shadeslayer> still ... bigger changelog entry than yours 
[19:59] <Riddell> "thesoul-reaper joined kubuntu-users" oh my, we're in trouble now
[20:00] <stalcup> ha
[20:01] <shadeslayer> hah
[20:01] <stalcup> oh bother, did something cause build failures in amd64?
[20:02] <Riddell> kde4libs not being done yet probably
[20:02] <stalcup> ah, crap
[20:02] <shadeslayer> stalcup: yeah wait for like.. 2-3 hours :P
[20:03] <shadeslayer> im getting a mail from all the buildd's complaining about FTBFS
[20:03] <stalcup> the whole one package I was able to do is failing, the logs verify a stack failure
[20:04] <Riddell> just have patience, we'll retry them as the build-deps get done
[20:04] <stalcup> it's fine, I was just worried that it was something I missed
[20:06] <shadeslayer> hehe
[20:06] <shadeslayer> im off to sleep anyways
[20:06] <shadeslayer> night all! :D
[20:06] <stalcup> lol, i'm getting ready to go to work!  
[20:06] <stalcup> night
[20:06] <shadeslayer> may the KDE be with you :P
[20:07] <Riddell> night shadeslayer, happy work stalcup 
[20:07] <stalcup> thanks
[20:08] <shadeslayer> happy work? :D
[20:09] <Riddell> qt4 build in kubuntu-ninjas for lucid, just needs to be published
[20:10] <shadeslayer> i might as well upload kdepimlibs then
[20:11] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Don't worry about the Maverick FTBFS.  I'm tracking them and will do retries as needed.
[20:11] <shadeslayer> awesome ^
[20:11] <ScottK> The trick (for next time) is to wait until everything depwaits before uploading meta-kde.
[20:12] <shadeslayer> ScottK: can you retry kdepimlibs in ninja ppa ( the lucid one ) as well?
[20:13] <shadeslayer> i just uploaded it and it needs kdelibs first
[20:13] <ScottK> I'll see if I can figure it out.
[20:15] <ScottK> shadeslayer: The only pimlibs I see in ninjas is for Maverick.
[20:15] <ScottK> Also, if you can upload to the PPA, you can do retries there.
[20:15] <shadeslayer> ScottK: i just uploaded them for lucid
[20:15] <shadeslayer> im going to sleep :P
[20:16] <shadeslayer> if i could control builds etc from my dreams i would ^_^
[20:20] <CIA-98> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100802191945-okjwlnhkcchyvqkq * src/kcmodule/ (8 files) Here come the fashion widgets...
[20:20] <shadeslayer> wow.. lp seems under heavy pressure
[20:21] <shadeslayer> my upload hasnt been processed yet
[20:21] <shadeslayer> ah there it is
[20:21] <shadeslayer> bye then
[20:21] <apachelogger> good news everyone
[20:22] <apachelogger> kde-l10n is up
[20:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: ^^
[20:22] <Riddell> that'll block the buildds for a bit then
[20:24] <CIA-98> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100802192342-t0kno07fu5gp3p18 * src/kcmodule/ubuntuone-info.desktop one day bad copy and paste will launch a nuklear missile
[20:26] <CIA-98> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100802192614-8exfb4ctjm9e7ek9 * src/statusnotifier/StatusNotifier.cpp the return of the configure option
[20:26] <debfx> ScottK: so what do you think about the virtuoso fix?
[20:27] <ScottK> debfx: I think it takes a long time to download virtuoso-opensource.  Looks reasonable to me.  I'll test it a bit and upload if no suprises appear.
[20:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: did you upload the google-gadget engine?
[20:29] <debfx> ScottK: ok, thanks
[20:29] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, I also made the statusnotifier strings a bit less apachelogger ^^
[20:31] <debfx> anyone up to some more sponsoring?
[20:33] <Riddell> apachelogger: no, I don't know where to find google-gadget engine to upload it
[20:33] <CIA-98> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100802193256-93ags1ungsi9thk2 * src/kcmodule/ (GeneralModule.cpp GeneralModule.h CMakeLists.txt) Module -> GeneralModule
[20:33] <Riddell> apachelogger: oh good, those strings were very apachelogger :)
[20:34] <apachelogger> :P
[20:34]  * apachelogger goes looking for the ggadget branch
[20:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: any news on getting the kwallet patches applied?
[20:35] <apachelogger> Riddell: FTR lp:~kubuntu-members/plasma-scriptengine-googlegadgets/ubuntu
[20:38] <apachelogger> test building
[20:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: sorry haven't got round to poking them yet
[20:42]  * apachelogger tries a ubuntu-sso recipe meanwhile
[20:45] <apachelogger> oh oh
[20:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: review requests have been reviewed
[20:45] <apachelogger> not merged though ^^
[20:46] <apachelogger> ggadgets engine builds fine
[20:47] <CIA-98> [plasma-scriptengine-googlegadgets] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100802194703-cssz9638940any7k * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release.
[20:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: uploaded
[20:50] <Riddell> grump, can't recreate the kdevelop compile problem
[21:03] <ScottK> Riddell: It looks like the switch to using breaks and meta-kde has made it so the reverse upload thing doesn't work anymore.  So nevermind about it in the future.
[21:05] <Riddell> ack
[21:17] <ScottK> Whoever retried pimlibs in Maverick, it's too soon.
[21:18] <ScottK> (on amd64)
[21:20]  * Riddell looks innocent
[21:20] <Riddell> ScottK: do you have a secret clever way of tracking?
[21:21] <ScottK> Riddell: Not an easy one.
[21:21] <Riddell> the ./kde-sc-build-status script in kubuntu-dev-tools is handy, although won't tell you about publishing status
[21:21] <ScottK> Publisher run generally starts at :03 and ends at :45 so you need to wait until after :45 to retry.
[21:21]  * Riddell worries about talk of binary incompatibility in libkonq
[21:22] <ScottK> The way I do it is open a tab for each package and then track each arch as it works its way up the dependency chart.
[21:23] <ScottK> When the reverse upload thing was working, it was all automatic due to things going depwait and staying there.
[21:24]  * Riddell also worried about talk that kde-l10n might be all wrong
[21:24]  * Riddell worries further about talk of compositing breaking with intel
[21:30]  * apachelogger does not worry and hides while writing sekrit release scripts
[21:30] <Nightrose> apachelogger: pong (was traveling)
[21:31] <apachelogger> Nightrose: dearest supreme semantics lady, do you know of any software that would allow collecting QA test cases in sensible manner with the possiblity to add semantics of any sort?
[21:32] <Nightrose> apachelogger: uffff - i'm so not into testing but i can ask a collegue what we use at work tomorrow if you want
[21:32] <apachelogger> Nightrose: pretty please :)
[21:33] <Nightrose> ok
[21:35] <alvin> Launchpad is very unstable in Konqueror lately (submit will yield errors and your carefully prepared bug report vanishes into thin air). Is this known?
[21:37] <yofel> that's not konq but launchpad, it shouldn't time out though (if you're using edge timeouts are common though, at least for me)
[21:39] <alvin> I always have to press the subscribe button several times until it doesn't return an error. I forgot about that and prepared a bug report. *poof*
[21:39]  * alvin will try in rekonq
[21:39] <alvin> Actually, shouldn't there be a bug against Launchpad somewhere then?
[21:40] <yofel> -> #launchpad
[21:40] <yofel> oh, rejoice, the ppa builders are back :D
[21:41] <dantti> Riddell: I tried to git diff -u 0.6.6 and when I try to patch it fails do you know if some kind of git export would do it too?
[21:41] <Riddell> dantti: I'm afraid I know nothing about git
[21:42] <Riddell> you could just apt-get source packagekit and do a manual diff
[21:43] <dantti> Riddell: I don't have the last one that you have packaged, is it in lp?
[21:43] <apachelogger> dantti: install ubuntu-dev-tools ... then you can use pull-lp-source $SRCPACKAGE
[21:44] <ScottK> debfx: virtuoso-opensource uploaded.  Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu.
[21:45] <Riddell> dantti: yes launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/packagekit
[21:46] <apachelogger> Nightrose: http://paste.ubuntu.com/472359/ ^^
[21:48] <Nightrose> apachelogger: sweeeeeeeeeet :)
[21:48] <apachelogger> Nightrose: do you even know what that is ^^
[21:48] <apachelogger> because it is not terribly obvious :S
[21:49] <Nightrose> apachelogger: release script doing magic of course :D
[21:49] <apachelogger> lol, yes
[21:49] <apachelogger> BUT
[21:49] <apachelogger> Nightrose: the new one ;)
[21:49] <Nightrose> new one?!
[21:49] <Nightrose> tell!
[21:51] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I am working on one using OOP with kick-ass git support that I will then ditch in kdesdk to replace that old plunder they have lying around
[21:51] <apachelogger> it shall become the one release script to bind them all...
[21:51] <Nightrose> \o/
[21:56] <ScottK> apachelogger and Riddell: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-runtime/4:4.5.0-0ubuntu1/+build/1900965/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-i386.kdebase-runtime_4:4.5.0-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz smells of pkg-kde-tools trouble.  Any ideas?
[21:57] <apachelogger> no
[21:57] <apachelogger> the packaging is just wrong
[21:58]  * apachelogger thought he removed helpindex
[21:58] <apachelogger> argh
[21:58] <apachelogger> ScottK: it would appear to me that I did not push
[21:59] <apachelogger> ScottK: please have a look at what is in bzr now
[21:59] <ScottK> apachelogger: I don't really have time to grok the details.  If you have the fix, please just upload it.
[22:02] <CIA-98> [kdebase-runtime] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100802210220-vffsq7mwccp9wxxl * debian/changelog Fix build by not trying to instal files that are not there.
[22:04]  * maxwellian just *knows* that he will be the sap who has to take apachelogger's release script to Mount Doom
[22:14] <dantti> Riddell: if I send to you a tar with the current code is it ok? cause on lp i can only donwload 0.6.5 and seems to be some commits by mvo after that..
[22:14] <Riddell> dantti: yes that's fine
[22:15] <ScottK> apachelogger: Are you fixing the -runtime problem?
[22:15] <apachelogger> ScottK: upped already
[22:15] <ScottK> apachelogger: Cool.  Thanks.
[22:15] <apachelogger> maxwellian: first you will have to get past Nightrose :P
[22:15]  * apachelogger hides behind Nightrose
[22:16]  * Nightrose eyes maxwellian
[22:16]  * apachelogger hands Nightrose a sonic screwdriver ... just in case
[22:16] <Nightrose> no harming the apachelogger°
[22:16] <Nightrose> !
[22:16] <apachelogger> right!
[22:18]  * ScottK heard apachelogger liked that kind of thing.
[22:24] <ScottK> Tm_T: Do you have a maverick chroot in your ppc box?
[22:26] <Tm_T> ScottK: not currently, no
[22:26] <ScottK> Tm_T: Would you be willing to make one?
[22:26] <ScottK> pbuilder-dist create maverick is all it takes.
[22:26] <ScottK> err, strike that, reverse it.
[22:27] <ScottK> maverick create
[22:27] <dantti> Riddell: mail sent
[22:27] <Tm_T> ScottK: will try to do now (:
[22:27] <ScottK> Tm_T: Thans.
[22:27] <ScottK> ..k..
[22:32] <apachelogger> Nightrose: what do you say http://paste.ubuntu.com/472374/ ... of course that stuff would usually be queried or read from config
[22:33] <apachelogger> more interesting is the hooking approach ^^
[22:33] <apachelogger> although the deriving from a Hook super class is only there for astetic reasons since ruby does not know abtract classes 
[22:33] <Nightrose> apachelogger: this looks very rubyish
[22:33] <Nightrose> :D
[22:34] <apachelogger> lol
[22:34] <apachelogger> well
[22:35] <apachelogger> Nightrose: the idea is that you have a set of $preSomeStuff and $postSomeStuff variables of global scope that allow those who wish to to ditch in at a given point in the execution cycle and do their own magic via the run interface
[22:35] <Nightrose> ah nice
[22:36] <apachelogger> the pasted example will output "I am a Daemon muhahahaha!!!!!" whenever an archiver's create() function is called for example
[22:36] <apachelogger> that said
[22:36] <apachelogger> Nightrose: we can support an indefinite amount of archiving ways
[22:37] <apachelogger> say xz and bz2 and gzip and zip
[22:37] <apachelogger> all on the same source too
[22:40] <ScottK> apachelogger: Is this one you forgetting to push something too: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/52935750/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-powerpc.kdegraphics_4:4.5.0-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[22:40] <apachelogger> did I dod graphics ^^
[22:40] <apachelogger> s/dod/do
[22:41] <ScottK> You're name is one of the ones in debian/changelog.
[22:41] <ScottK> you're/your
[22:41] <apachelogger> then indeed I did
[22:41]  * apachelogger is wondering how that went
[22:42]  * apachelogger is rusty and must excuse himself for being so silly
[22:42] <apachelogger> ScottK: yeah
[22:42] <apachelogger> didnt push
[22:42]  * Riddell uploads new kdepimlibs tar
[22:42] <apachelogger> *fixing*
[22:43] <ScottK> apachelogger: Thanks.
[22:43] <apachelogger> Riddell: did you not push the UNRELEASED->maverick changes
[22:43] <apachelogger> ?
[22:44] <CIA-98> [kdegraphics] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100802214424-87wmqw8ynrq5kv8n * debian/ (changelog libokularcore1.install) Fix build by transiting libocularcore from 1.4 to 1.5 in the .install
[22:44] <apachelogger> oh
[22:44]  * apachelogger wrote debvommit ^^
[22:45] <Riddell> apachelogger: maybe I didn't
[22:45] <apachelogger> kdegraphics upped
[22:49] <ScottK> Excellent.
[22:49] <ScottK> Thanks apachelogger.
[22:50]  * Riddell fixes libakonadi-dev in kubuntu-ninjas for lucid
[22:55] <Riddell> Quintasan: you didn't add your patch to kdenetwork?
[22:58] <debfx> Riddell: could you please sponsor two ftbfs fixes: http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/qtscriptgenerator_0.1.0-3ubuntu2.debdiff and http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/qtmobility_1.0.1-2ubuntu2.debdiff
[23:00] <Riddell> debfx: ok
[23:05] <Riddell> debfx: uploaded, thanks
[23:07]  * ScottK looks over at rbelem and wonders how the plasma-mobile update is coming?
[23:08] <rbelem> ScottK, i'm finishing to update the debian/copyright
[23:08] <rbelem> :-)
[23:08] <ScottK> Cool
[23:08] <rbelem> i got the cool features that were added today :-)
[23:16]  * ScottK notes the current builds are less than two thirds Kubuntu, so people should get to work.
[23:22] <Riddell> and kdelibs is compiled in lucid so we can get cracking with lucid
[23:26] <JontheEchidna> yay, finally made it \o/
[23:26] <JontheEchidna> seems that my grandad had to go to the hospital on the way over though :(
[23:26] <Riddell> welcome back JontheEchidna 
[23:26] <Riddell> way over where?
[23:26] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: the hospital had a shop, though :D
[23:27] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: ah, I'm on vacation visiting family in Kentucky
[23:27] <JontheEchidna> we just drove a couple thousand miles in 3 days or so
[23:27] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: now that hit me totally unprepared
[23:27] <apachelogger> shops++
[23:28] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you americans drive too much BTW, you really should use the wonders of aviation as long as it is still possible ;)
[23:28] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: you drove two thousand miles for some fried chicken?
[23:28] <JontheEchidna> lol
[23:29] <Riddell> apachelogger: ssh, don't encourage them
[23:29] <apachelogger> :S
[23:30] <apachelogger> Nightrose: did I ever mention that the l10n foo I wrote is of the rather hardcore sort
[23:30] <apachelogger> looks like C
[23:30] <apachelogger> with bad var naming
[23:30] <apachelogger> pd vs. ld
[23:30] <apachelogger> + pos (ok that is sort of obvious from context)
[23:30] <JontheEchidna> http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopgl1538
[23:30] <Riddell> apachelogger: do you know what the yellow on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging means?
[23:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: parenting package (see description above the table)
[23:31]  * apachelogger complained that the important packages are not visible enough
[23:31] <Nightrose> apachelogger: :D
[23:31] <apachelogger> Quintasan made them yellow though :P
[23:31] <Nightrose> you didn't
[23:32] <apachelogger> Nightrose: it is madness .... looks like apachelogger, no, worse, makes me wanna go cry silently and then do nakkid jogging
[23:32] <Riddell> ooh er
[23:33] <apachelogger> that said, the other night we (study collegues and me) were playing games until 4am or so and on my way home I really met a group of 5 nakkid joggers
[23:34] <apachelogger> suffice to say I stopped for a bit of chit chat ^^
[23:34] <Nightrose> ^^
[23:35] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: see, that is way too far ... if I had parents that far away I would swiftly forget about that relation and maybe send an occasional holiday card
[23:35] <JontheEchidna> lol
[23:36] <apachelogger> s/parents/relatives
[23:36] <JontheEchidna> both my mom's parents and my dad's parents live in the same town
[23:36]  * apachelogger is running out of awakeness
[23:36] <JontheEchidna> they lived on the same street until my mom's dad's house burned down :(
[23:36] <apachelogger> :/
[23:37] <JontheEchidna> so what happened while I was on the road?
[23:37] <apachelogger> come to think of it
[23:37] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you could visit nixternal ^^
[23:37] <ScottK> He's a bit north from there.
[23:38] <ScottK> Quite a bit.
[23:38] <apachelogger> in relation it does not seem that far :P
[23:38] <jjesse-netbook> JontheEchidna:  where bouts in KY
[23:38] <JontheEchidna> jjesse-netbook: near hopkinsville
[23:39] <JontheEchidna> and/or madisonville
[23:39] <jjesse-netbook> bout a 9 hour drive for me
[23:39] <JontheEchidna> http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopgl1538
[23:40] <JontheEchidna> actually that route is wrong, we went down 81 into tenessee, and then west to nashville
[23:40] <JontheEchidna> then north to point c
[23:40] <JontheEchidna> because west VA is like a wasteland
[23:40]  * apachelogger ponders doing a bit of C#
[23:40] <jjesse-netbook> ouch thats a long drive
[23:41] <JontheEchidna> took 3 days, but you really need a car because there's not really any public transportation out there
[23:41] <jjesse-netbook> fly into fraknfort?
[23:43] <apachelogger> Nightrose: btw, krake refuses to do a proper release party and put me off with the LUG meeting on wed...
[23:43] <JontheEchidna> jjesse-netbook: we also stopped to visit some friends in northern VA, so I don't think we could have afforded the plane tickets
[23:43] <Nightrose> apachelogger: he needs ass-kicking then!
[23:43] <jjesse-netbook> i understand and feel your pain
[23:43] <ScottK> Once again JontheEchidna drives past my house and doesn't stop for a visit.
[23:43] <jjesse-netbook> what a jerk
[23:43] <jjesse-netbook> maybe he will do that on his way home :)
[23:44] <JontheEchidna> >:D
[23:45] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: btw, do you plan on getting u-1-kde in maverick? Feature freeze is in 10 days
[23:45] <apachelogger> Console.WriteLine ("Hello Mono World");
[23:45] <apachelogger> \o/
[23:45] <JontheEchidna> speaking of, I need to get libdebconf-kde and muon packages in revu....
[23:45] <ulysses> \o/
[23:46] <JontheEchidna> also, I need to re-revu oxygen-molecule for ximion
[23:46] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that was our plan.... but my, our, the upstream does not hurry along
[23:46] <jjesse-netbook> JontheEchidna:  i
[23:46] <jjesse-netbook> JontheEchidna: i've started some hacking on a help file for muon for you
[23:46] <apachelogger> and time is progressing really fast
[23:46] <JontheEchidna> jjesse-netbook: neat, thanks
[23:46] <apachelogger> almost 1am :/
[23:46] <jjesse-netbook> np
[23:47] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I could port the script to C#...
[23:48] <dantti> JontheEchidna: btw I'm probably going to rename it to -qt
[23:48]  * apachelogger just remembered his supreme .net skills
[23:48] <apachelogger> well, asp.net I never looked into TBH
[23:48] <apachelogger> that was really too scary ^^
[23:50]  * apachelogger did too much cpp and forgot all about ruby
[23:50] <apachelogger> I am constantly writing #require <foo> -.-
[23:52] <JontheEchidna> dantti: how will translations be handled w/o kde?
[23:52] <dantti> JontheEchidna: that's what I'm "worried" and the icons :P but tr() should do it
[23:53] <apachelogger> ts \o/
[23:53]  * apachelogger thinks it is about time that Qt grows gettext support -.-