| humphreybc | heh, docbook made the "hate" wall at GUADEC. http://www.flickr.com/photos/qense/4849380478/in/photostream/ | 05:42 |
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| thorwil | morning! | 08:02 |
| humphreybc | hey Thorsten | 08:02 |
| humphreybc | up early | 08:02 |
| thorwil | heh, well it's 9 here | 08:03 |
| nisshh | humphreybc: hey, got a minute? | 08:18 |
| humphreybc | nisshh: yea | 08:33 |
| nisshh | humphreybc: oh, wait nevermind, you already added a testimonial to my wiki page, oops :) | 08:35 |
| humphreybc | heh | 08:36 |
| humphreybc | i have to do a few of those | 08:36 |
| * nisshh is not entirely awake yet :) | 08:36 | |
| nisshh | yea | 08:36 |
| humphreybc | isn't it the evening? | 08:36 |
| * nisshh slept during the day today, all nighter last night | 08:37 | |
| nisshh | its 3:37PM here | 08:37 |
| humphreybc | right | 08:39 |
| thorwil | if aquarius joins, does that mean that the moon is in the seventh house and jupiter aligns with mars? | 08:46 |
| nisshh | thorwil: hehe | 08:47 |
| nisshh | thorwil: i thought it meant we had to congregate and chant "the end is near!" | 08:47 |
| thorwil | nah, time for harmony and understanding, sympathy and trust abounding | 08:48 |
| nisshh | lol | 08:49 |
| nisshh | thorwil: you sound like a pacifist :) | 08:50 |
| vish | nisshh: right , he just 'sounds' like one ;p | 08:54 |
| nisshh | vish: hehe | 08:55 |
| humphreybc | ha | 08:55 |
| * thorwil hands vish a flower for his hair, so he can go to san francisco | 09:01 | |
| nisshh | heh | 09:02 |
| === daker_ is now known as daker | ||
| nisshh | aquarius: hey, quick question | 13:57 |
| aquarius | nisshh, hey | 14:04 |
| nisshh | aquarius: iv been thinking about using desktopcouch attachments in my pytask app, but i cant test to see if the attachments themselves get synced along with the databases, do they? | 14:08 |
| aquarius | they do | 14:08 |
| nisshh | ah cool | 14:08 |
| nisshh | wasnt sure | 14:08 |
| nisshh | aquarius: also, i assume that the attachments can be any sort of file? | 14:09 |
| nisshh | text, image, etc? | 14:09 |
| aquarius | yes | 14:10 |
| nisshh | cool | 14:10 |
| nisshh | aquarius: thanks dude, thats all i needed to know | 14:10 |
| aquarius | if you're storing lots of stuff in attachments or large files you may want to think about storing those files in Ubuntu One file sync and just storing the paths in Dc | 14:11 |
| nisshh | ah yea | 14:11 |
| nisshh | aquarius: well, thats a per user thing, i was thinking of adding a neat little feature that allowed users to add attachments to tasks, but yea i guess large files qould be a problem | 14:12 |
| nisshh | aquarius: ok, thanks, this has given me alot to think about and some code to write | 14:22 |
| nisshh | :) | 14:22 |
| aquarius | no problem :) | 14:25 |
| vish | aquarius: lol! "one of Pavlov's dogs" :) | 15:51 |
| aquarius | indeed. :) | 15:53 |
| === ZachK_ is now known as zkriesse | ||
| jenkins | evening all | 20:36 |
| nisshh | jenkins: well, 4am in my case :) | 20:39 |
| jenkins | nisshh: good luck tomorrow I will not be there unfortunatly | 20:46 |
| thorwil | nisshh: membership board? what time (utc)? | 20:47 |
| nisshh | jenkins: thanks, im not sure that ill get membership, but im hoping | 20:58 |
| jenkins | well you can only find out :) | 20:59 |
| nisshh | thorwil: 10am UTC on tuesday (today or tomorrow, depends on your timezone) | 20:59 |
| nisshh | in #ubuntu-meeting | 20:59 |
| nisshh | jenkins: yea | 20:59 |
| nisshh | thorwil: hope to see you there if you can make it | 21:00 |
| nisshh | thorwil: if not, no worries, there should be a few others coming :) | 21:00 |
| thorwil | hmm, we'll see := | 21:00 |
| nisshh | hehe | 21:01 |
| jenkins | daker: whats the status of the quickshot website? | 21:05 |
| daker | 75% | 21:06 |
| jenkins | cool thanks, we have www.quickshot.org now | 21:06 |
| jenkins | an act of kindness from someone | 21:07 |
| daker | Woow | 21:07 |
| daker | flan, and you ? | 21:08 |
| thorwil | good night! | 21:09 |
| flan | o.o | 21:11 |
| flan | No updates from me. | 21:12 |
| daker | flan, what ? | 21:12 |
| daker | :D oh cool | 21:12 |
| flan | Still in a random state of no-Internet-at-home. | 21:12 |
| flan | If this persists once I actually have my network set up again, I'll just write code offline and commit it from work. | 21:12 |
| flan | It's been over a month since I last did anything. :( | 21:13 |
| jenkins | nisshh: did you know pytask has been mentioned in a blog post? http://www.johnhamelink.com/2010/07/linux-apps-freelancers/ I think this was also linked to on omgubuntu | 21:47 |
| nisshh | jenkins: yea, i saw that earlier today | 21:48 |
| nisshh | pretty cool | 21:48 |
| nisshh | that link was down most of today, but its back up now | 21:48 |
| nisshh | finally | 21:48 |
| jenkins | yea just spoken to the site owner his vps crashed because of it | 21:49 |
| nisshh | hehe | 21:49 |
| nisshh | jenkins: why is it that the criticism about Pytask is always about features im about to release in the next version? | 21:50 |
| nisshh | seriously, why is that? :) | 21:50 |
| jenkins | well it shows that you are devloping in the right direction | 21:50 |
| nisshh | yea true | 21:50 |
| nisshh | :) | 21:50 |
| nisshh | jenkins: was funny last night | 21:51 |
| nisshh | jenkins: me and rick were talking about the dev manual on irc | 21:52 |
| jenkins | go on.. | 21:52 |
| jenkins | o right what did you discuss | 21:52 |
| nisshh | and we were working on a chapter together | 21:52 |
| nisshh | simplifying it | 21:52 |
| jenkins | cool | 21:52 |
| nisshh | and he said | 21:52 |
| nisshh | "should we remove this word and this word?" | 21:52 |
| nisshh | and at the EXACT same second i said "we should remove that word and that word" | 21:53 |
| jenkins | lol | 21:53 |
| nisshh | and we were talking about the same words | 21:53 |
| nisshh | so | 21:53 |
| nisshh | iv concluded that i have the gift of foresight :) | 21:53 |
| jenkins | I think you may do :) | 21:54 |
| nisshh | hehe | 21:54 |
| nisshh | jenkins: also, im working hard to get as much done by maverick release as possible, have you any idea when you can get some content written? | 21:55 |
| jenkins | I will try to do some later this week, whats the page with the chapters on? Also how are we liking this in with the sample program | 21:56 |
| jenkins | *linking | 21:56 |
| nisshh | jenkins: you can get the chapters that rick wrote at his website: www.rickspencer3.com | 21:57 |
| nisshh | jenkins: i am still thinking about how we are going to link the sample app and the chapters, need to do it right the first time i think | 21:58 |
| jenkins | I think that untill we get our heads around how to link it in then there is not much point writting as we will just end up adjusting so much. | 21:59 |
| nisshh | well, yea | 21:59 |
| nisshh | BUT | 21:59 |
| jenkins | I am not sure that the app idea works in comparison to the level of these chapters | 21:59 |
| nisshh | explain | 21:59 |
| jenkins | well the app is relatively simple on the scale of things but the existing chapters by rick are very detailed there needs to be a blance between the two | 22:01 |
| nisshh | yea | 22:01 |
| nisshh | iv been working on the python crash course chapter | 22:01 |
| nisshh | the initial version by rick was complicated as hell | 22:01 |
| nisshh | had words like nesting and main base class | 22:02 |
| nisshh | among other more complex words | 22:02 |
| nisshh | jenkins: so your saying we need to simplify the chapters more so they fit with the app better? | 22:03 |
| nisshh | provide only the necessary information to create the app? | 22:03 |
| jenkins | good that does need simplifying, I think with such a simple app we will not be teaching enough detail to people about the main fetures of glade. I think we may be scrap the app or make it more complex or make the manual even simpler | 22:03 |
| jenkins | or other python stuff | 22:04 |
| jenkins | I am just not sure we have the target audience right | 22:04 |
| nisshh | go on... | 22:04 |
| jenkins | the app is aimed at novices right | 22:04 |
| nisshh | well, according to rick last night the first chapter (intro to python) is aimed at programmers migrating to python | 22:05 |
| nisshh | which i was a bit confused about | 22:05 |
| jenkins | but the chapters so far go into lots of detail expecting people to know stuff already. They either need more explination or it needs two manuals, intorduction and advanced | 22:05 |
| nisshh | because i thought this was supposed to be ultra simple the the other manual | 22:05 |
| jenkins | yea thats where I am confused. | 22:06 |
| nisshh | yea | 22:06 |
| nisshh | i think the target audience should primarily be new programmers | 22:06 |
| nisshh | with a secondary being existing programmers who want to learn about glade/python/gtk | 22:07 |
| nisshh | but probably not two manuals | 22:07 |
| jenkins | well yes thats what has to be decided, but just to play devils advocate how much detail do you go into in the second part? | 22:07 |
| nisshh | a fair bit | 22:08 |
| nisshh | it has examples of things like for loops without first explaining what a for loop is | 22:08 |
| nisshh | explains lambda | 22:08 |
| nisshh | basic math | 22:08 |
| jenkins | prehaps we could do an intorduction to python recomend some free online books for further reading, then go into the different programs avalible | 22:08 |
| nisshh | jenkins: at the start of the chapter 2 books and the python docs are mentioned | 22:09 |
| jenkins | cool fair enough | 22:09 |
| nisshh | all free books | 22:09 |
| nisshh | yea | 22:09 |
| nisshh | i think the intro to python chapter should focus on examples and code that are required to create and code up the example app | 22:10 |
| jenkins | so we are trying to write a book with two aims, encorage new devlopers and get people who are devloping else where to work on ubuntu? | 22:11 |
| nisshh | but rick did say that i did not intend to just hand the reader the required code and be done with it | 22:11 |
| nisshh | and i agree with that | 22:11 |
| nisshh | yes, essentially | 22:11 |
| nisshh | id say the main aim is to attract new developers though, thats what rick and jono always talk about | 22:12 |
| nisshh | jenkins: i think we need to have a talk about this with rick | 22:13 |
| jenkins | I agree that we should not give people the exact code, I am just thinking that there is so much to know when writing an ap I learn something new every time I work on quickshot. | 22:14 |
| nisshh | yea | 22:14 |
| nisshh | but we had that same problem with the other manual | 22:14 |
| jenkins | I am not trying to be difficult just need a better understanding of the aim/direction | 22:14 |
| jenkins | thats kinda my point | 22:15 |
| nisshh | your not being difficult, your making my brain think more | 22:15 |
| nisshh | :) | 22:15 |
| jenkins | I think we need a definitive list of what topics should go in each chapter, ket me find my example | 22:15 |
| nisshh | yea... | 22:15 |
| nisshh | jenkins: i should go to bed soon, ill stay on for another 15 minutes, but then i need to go to sleep :) | 22:17 |
| jenkins | cool it was somthing ila asked me to do for my chapters in the manual | 22:17 |
| nisshh | yea | 22:17 |
| jenkins | ilya* | 22:17 |
| nisshh | its on the wiki isnt it? i did the same for mine | 22:17 |
| jenkins | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/Blueprints/DefaultApps | 22:18 |
| nisshh | ah yes | 22:18 |
| jenkins | I did not see yours it is on an old wiki page | 22:19 |
| nisshh | mine is there somewher | 22:19 |
| jenkins | we do have some stuff on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/10.10/DeveloperManual but it all refers to old chapters | 22:19 |
| nisshh | yea | 22:19 |
| jenkins | I will let you go to bed anyway | 22:20 |
| nisshh | i havent cleaned that up yet | 22:20 |
| jenkins | I will make sure i do the wuickly chapter and have a look at the existing stuff for galde | 22:20 |
| nisshh | jenkins: yea, its nearly 6am here, so ill get about an horus sleep then i have to go to tafe anyway :) | 22:20 |
| jenkins | night o/ | 22:21 |
| nisshh | ok thanks jenkins | 22:21 |
| nisshh | ill talk to you later today/tomorrow :) | 22:21 |
| jenkins | thank you | 22:21 |
| nisshh | hehe | 22:21 |
| nisshh | gnight :) | 22:21 |
| jenkins | has anyone seen ben recently | 22:22 |
| dutchie | not really | 22:26 |
| jenkins | I have just sent him an e-mail | 22:31 |
| jenkins | daker: i loved the statistics about the website how did you make them? | 22:34 |
| daker | jenkins, it's google analytics | 22:36 |
| daker | jenkins, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Analytics | 22:38 |
| jenkins | they are very cool I like stats, we will have to sort that out for www.quickshot.org | 22:38 |
| daker | sure | 22:39 |
| jenkins | o man I just rembered what I was doing last in quickshot. I have to work out how to do that | 22:40 |
| daker | \o/ | 22:40 |
| jenkins | no its not good I need to learn about windows inheriting properties from a python file so that they all have the same menu bar. I have not done quickshot work in ages | 22:42 |
| jenkins | we have apport support but I need to work out how to package that so that it goes to the right place. | 22:43 |
| * jenkins starts a list | 22:43 | |
| jenkins | well this is interesting if i do sudo find / -name quickshot-crashdb.conf it returns etc/appot/crashdb.conf.d/quickshot-crashdb.conf if I navigate to the folder in nautilus i don't see the file doing ls in the folder shows the file is not there so is it there? | 23:39 |
| dutchie | is it readable only by root or something? | 23:40 |
| daker | jenkins, have you tried : ALT+F2 then gksu nautilus /etc/appot/crashdb.conf.d/ ? | 23:41 |
| jenkins | daker: its there! I had not thought of that, now I have to work out why the package is doing that | 23:42 |
| jenkins | thanks | 23:42 |
| daker | good | 23:43 |
| dutchie | i suspect it's a security thing to do with not showing $RANDOM_USER the contents of your core dump | 23:44 |
| jenkins | hmm well I *think* every user has to be able to see the file, I need to work out why another file is not being packaged at all | 23:45 |
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