[05:42] heh, docbook made the "hate" wall at GUADEC. http://www.flickr.com/photos/qense/4849380478/in/photostream/ [08:02] morning! [08:02] hey Thorsten [08:02] up early [08:03] heh, well it's 9 here [08:18] humphreybc: hey, got a minute? [08:33] nisshh: yea [08:35] humphreybc: oh, wait nevermind, you already added a testimonial to my wiki page, oops :) [08:36] heh [08:36] i have to do a few of those [08:36] * nisshh is not entirely awake yet :) [08:36] yea [08:36] isn't it the evening? [08:37] * nisshh slept during the day today, all nighter last night [08:37] its 3:37PM here [08:39] right [08:46] if aquarius joins, does that mean that the moon is in the seventh house and jupiter aligns with mars? [08:47] thorwil: hehe [08:47] thorwil: i thought it meant we had to congregate and chant "the end is near!" [08:48] nah, time for harmony and understanding, sympathy and trust abounding [08:49] lol [08:50] thorwil: you sound like a pacifist :) [08:54] nisshh: right , he just 'sounds' like one ;p [08:55] vish: hehe [08:55] ha [09:01] * thorwil hands vish a flower for his hair, so he can go to san francisco [09:02] heh === daker_ is now known as daker [13:57] aquarius: hey, quick question [14:04] nisshh, hey [14:08] aquarius: iv been thinking about using desktopcouch attachments in my pytask app, but i cant test to see if the attachments themselves get synced along with the databases, do they? [14:08] they do [14:08] ah cool [14:08] wasnt sure [14:09] aquarius: also, i assume that the attachments can be any sort of file? [14:09] text, image, etc? [14:10] yes [14:10] cool [14:10] aquarius: thanks dude, thats all i needed to know [14:11] if you're storing lots of stuff in attachments or large files you may want to think about storing those files in Ubuntu One file sync and just storing the paths in Dc [14:11] ah yea [14:12] aquarius: well, thats a per user thing, i was thinking of adding a neat little feature that allowed users to add attachments to tasks, but yea i guess large files qould be a problem [14:22] aquarius: ok, thanks, this has given me alot to think about and some code to write [14:22] :) [14:25] no problem :) [15:51] aquarius: lol! "one of Pavlov's dogs" :) [15:53] indeed. :) === ZachK_ is now known as zkriesse [20:36] evening all [20:39] jenkins: well, 4am in my case :) [20:46] nisshh: good luck tomorrow I will not be there unfortunatly [20:47] nisshh: membership board? what time (utc)? [20:58] jenkins: thanks, im not sure that ill get membership, but im hoping [20:59] well you can only find out :) [20:59] thorwil: 10am UTC on tuesday (today or tomorrow, depends on your timezone) [20:59] in #ubuntu-meeting [20:59] jenkins: yea [21:00] thorwil: hope to see you there if you can make it [21:00] thorwil: if not, no worries, there should be a few others coming :) [21:00] hmm, we'll see := [21:01] hehe [21:05] daker: whats the status of the quickshot website? [21:06] 75% [21:06] cool thanks, we have www.quickshot.org now [21:07] an act of kindness from someone [21:07] Woow [21:08] flan, and you ? [21:09] good night! [21:11] o.o [21:12] No updates from me. [21:12] flan, what ? [21:12] :D oh cool [21:12] Still in a random state of no-Internet-at-home. [21:12] If this persists once I actually have my network set up again, I'll just write code offline and commit it from work. [21:13] It's been over a month since I last did anything. :( [21:47] nisshh: did you know pytask has been mentioned in a blog post? http://www.johnhamelink.com/2010/07/linux-apps-freelancers/ I think this was also linked to on omgubuntu [21:48] jenkins: yea, i saw that earlier today [21:48] pretty cool [21:48] that link was down most of today, but its back up now [21:48] finally [21:49] yea just spoken to the site owner his vps crashed because of it [21:49] hehe [21:50] jenkins: why is it that the criticism about Pytask is always about features im about to release in the next version? [21:50] seriously, why is that? :) [21:50] well it shows that you are devloping in the right direction [21:50] yea true [21:50] :) [21:51] jenkins: was funny last night [21:52] jenkins: me and rick were talking about the dev manual on irc [21:52] go on.. [21:52] o right what did you discuss [21:52] and we were working on a chapter together [21:52] simplifying it [21:52] cool [21:52] and he said [21:52] "should we remove this word and this word?" [21:53] and at the EXACT same second i said "we should remove that word and that word" [21:53] lol [21:53] and we were talking about the same words [21:53] so [21:53] iv concluded that i have the gift of foresight :) [21:54] I think you may do :) [21:54] hehe [21:55] jenkins: also, im working hard to get as much done by maverick release as possible, have you any idea when you can get some content written? [21:56] I will try to do some later this week, whats the page with the chapters on? Also how are we liking this in with the sample program [21:56] *linking [21:57] jenkins: you can get the chapters that rick wrote at his website: www.rickspencer3.com [21:58] jenkins: i am still thinking about how we are going to link the sample app and the chapters, need to do it right the first time i think [21:59] I think that untill we get our heads around how to link it in then there is not much point writting as we will just end up adjusting so much. [21:59] well, yea [21:59] BUT [21:59] I am not sure that the app idea works in comparison to the level of these chapters [21:59] explain [22:01] well the app is relatively simple on the scale of things but the existing chapters by rick are very detailed there needs to be a blance between the two [22:01] yea [22:01] iv been working on the python crash course chapter [22:01] the initial version by rick was complicated as hell [22:02] had words like nesting and main base class [22:02] among other more complex words [22:03] jenkins: so your saying we need to simplify the chapters more so they fit with the app better? [22:03] provide only the necessary information to create the app? [22:03] good that does need simplifying, I think with such a simple app we will not be teaching enough detail to people about the main fetures of glade. I think we may be scrap the app or make it more complex or make the manual even simpler [22:04] or other python stuff [22:04] I am just not sure we have the target audience right [22:04] go on... [22:04] the app is aimed at novices right [22:05] well, according to rick last night the first chapter (intro to python) is aimed at programmers migrating to python [22:05] which i was a bit confused about [22:05] but the chapters so far go into lots of detail expecting people to know stuff already. They either need more explination or it needs two manuals, intorduction and advanced [22:05] because i thought this was supposed to be ultra simple the the other manual [22:06] yea thats where I am confused. [22:06] yea [22:06] i think the target audience should primarily be new programmers [22:07] with a secondary being existing programmers who want to learn about glade/python/gtk [22:07] but probably not two manuals [22:07] well yes thats what has to be decided, but just to play devils advocate how much detail do you go into in the second part? [22:08] a fair bit [22:08] it has examples of things like for loops without first explaining what a for loop is [22:08] explains lambda [22:08] basic math [22:08] prehaps we could do an intorduction to python recomend some free online books for further reading, then go into the different programs avalible [22:09] jenkins: at the start of the chapter 2 books and the python docs are mentioned [22:09] cool fair enough [22:09] all free books [22:09] yea [22:10] i think the intro to python chapter should focus on examples and code that are required to create and code up the example app [22:11] so we are trying to write a book with two aims, encorage new devlopers and get people who are devloping else where to work on ubuntu? [22:11] but rick did say that i did not intend to just hand the reader the required code and be done with it [22:11] and i agree with that [22:11] yes, essentially [22:12] id say the main aim is to attract new developers though, thats what rick and jono always talk about [22:13] jenkins: i think we need to have a talk about this with rick [22:14] I agree that we should not give people the exact code, I am just thinking that there is so much to know when writing an ap I learn something new every time I work on quickshot. [22:14] yea [22:14] but we had that same problem with the other manual [22:14] I am not trying to be difficult just need a better understanding of the aim/direction [22:15] thats kinda my point [22:15] your not being difficult, your making my brain think more [22:15] :) [22:15] I think we need a definitive list of what topics should go in each chapter, ket me find my example [22:15] yea... [22:17] jenkins: i should go to bed soon, ill stay on for another 15 minutes, but then i need to go to sleep :) [22:17] cool it was somthing ila asked me to do for my chapters in the manual [22:17] yea [22:17] ilya* [22:17] its on the wiki isnt it? i did the same for mine [22:18] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/Blueprints/DefaultApps [22:18] ah yes [22:19] I did not see yours it is on an old wiki page [22:19] mine is there somewher [22:19] we do have some stuff on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/10.10/DeveloperManual but it all refers to old chapters [22:19] yea [22:20] I will let you go to bed anyway [22:20] i havent cleaned that up yet [22:20] I will make sure i do the wuickly chapter and have a look at the existing stuff for galde [22:20] jenkins: yea, its nearly 6am here, so ill get about an horus sleep then i have to go to tafe anyway :) [22:21] night o/ [22:21] ok thanks jenkins [22:21] ill talk to you later today/tomorrow :) [22:21] thank you [22:21] hehe [22:21] gnight :) [22:22] has anyone seen ben recently [22:26] not really [22:31] I have just sent him an e-mail [22:34] daker: i loved the statistics about the website how did you make them? [22:36] jenkins, it's google analytics [22:38] jenkins, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Analytics [22:38] they are very cool I like stats, we will have to sort that out for www.quickshot.org [22:39] sure [22:40] o man I just rembered what I was doing last in quickshot. I have to work out how to do that [22:40] \o/ [22:42] no its not good I need to learn about windows inheriting properties from a python file so that they all have the same menu bar. I have not done quickshot work in ages [22:43] we have apport support but I need to work out how to package that so that it goes to the right place. [22:43] * jenkins starts a list [23:39] well this is interesting if i do sudo find / -name quickshot-crashdb.conf it returns etc/appot/crashdb.conf.d/quickshot-crashdb.conf if I navigate to the folder in nautilus i don't see the file doing ls in the folder shows the file is not there so is it there? [23:40] is it readable only by root or something? [23:41] jenkins, have you tried : ALT+F2 then gksu nautilus /etc/appot/crashdb.conf.d/ ? [23:42] daker: its there! I had not thought of that, now I have to work out why the package is doing that [23:42] thanks [23:43] good [23:44] i suspect it's a security thing to do with not showing $RANDOM_USER the contents of your core dump [23:45] hmm well I *think* every user has to be able to see the file, I need to work out why another file is not being packaged at all