[00:10] <BUGabundo> anyone having trouble in youtube with chromium ?  I get a message saying video format not available, when using html5
[06:31] <czr> micahg, cool, I'll keep on using the "other" PPA until maverick then
[07:06] <eagles0513875|2> morning
[08:57] <fta2> https://edge.launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/dev/+build/1898702
[08:57] <fta2> there're kidding me, right?
[08:58] <fta2> "created on 2010-07-31" "Start 2010-08-05"
[08:58] <fta2> micahg, ^^
[09:13] <eagles0513875|2> morning fta2
[09:18]  * fta2 feels like stopping all the dailies for good this time, ppa are unreliable for that usage
[09:59] <BUGabundo_remote> fta2: codecs borked in chromium
[10:19] <fta2> BUGabundo_remote, ?
[10:20] <BUGabundo_remote> html5 videos won't work in youtube
[10:20] <BUGabundo_remote> (2010-08-02 00:10:10) freenode: anyone having trouble in youtube with chromium ?  I get a message saying video format not available, when using html5
[10:29] <eagles0513875|2> BUGabundo_remote: question not related to chromium
[10:30] <eagles0513875|2> woudl u recommend against embedding a video with the html5 video tag
[10:30] <eagles0513875|2> and if so what would you recommend instead
[10:30] <BUGabundo_remote> eagles0513875|2: no
[10:30] <BUGabundo_remote> but depends on your target audience
[10:30] <BUGabundo_remote> how many browsers support it already?
[10:30] <BUGabundo_remote> how many users have browsers capable of using it?
[10:31] <eagles0513875|2> i hear ya i am trying to figureo ut something as i need to embed a video in the website im doing
[10:38] <micahg> czr: what "other" PPA?
[10:39] <micahg> BUGabundo_remote: eagles0513875|2: HTML5 is supported by everything except IE ATM, the question is which codec, after Firefox 4.0 is released, WebM seems the way to go
[10:39] <eagles0513875|2> webm?
[10:40] <micahg> eagles0513875|2: VP8
[10:40] <eagles0513875|2> micahg: any good websites about webM
[10:45] <BUGabundo_remote> micahg: +1
[10:45] <BUGabundo_remote> eagles0513875|2: videojs.com I think
[10:45] <eagles0513875|2> thanks BUGabundo_remote
[10:46] <micahg> eagles0513875|2: http://www.webmproject.org/
[10:46] <eagles0513875|2> thanks micahg
[10:52]  * micahg seems to have forgotten a patch for TB3.1...
[10:57] <czr> micahg, ticotz has one which carries TB3.1 for 32 and 64.
[10:57] <czr> ricotz, sry.
[10:58] <czr> micahg, newer versions of lightning require TB3.1, and sunbird isn't developmed anymore. so it's kind of catch-22.
[11:01] <micahg> czr: I addressed that in my post to the team mailing list
[11:01] <czr> micahg, do you have url handy? I don't follow the ML directly
[11:02]  * micahg probably should've waited for it to build before sending out the mail though :-/
[11:02] <micahg> czr: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-mozillateam/2010-August/001185.html
[11:02] <micahg> fta2: do you have a libvpx backport?  do you build with yasm?
[11:03] <czr> micahg, thanks
[11:11] <eagles0513875|2> ha figured out hwo to get a video on website
[11:11] <eagles0513875|2> seems like you can do it with the img tag
[11:11] <eagles0513875|2> and set movie that way
[12:21] <micahg> fta2: if you get a chance, can you respin Tb3.1 in umd?
[12:29]  * gnomefreak cant get shit to work right
[13:03] <micahg> chrisccoulson: it's going to be a busy month :)
[13:21] <fta2> micahg, yep, i have backports of libvpx from debian, with yasm
[13:21] <fta2> in ucd
[13:21] <fta2> i auto-backport it
[13:22] <fta2> micahg, ^^, here is my script: http://paste.ubuntu.com/472172/
[13:31]  * fta2 likes shell scripts..
[13:32] <fta2> micahg, umd respin: done
[14:22] <micahg> fta2: thanks, I think I'll backport yasm to umd then for hardy/jaunty, I have to talk to Mozilla about using system libvpx for xulrunner-2.0
[14:23] <fta2> micahg, you can probably just copy everything from ucd
[14:24] <micahg> fta2: that would work also, I requested a yasm update in debian which might improve chromium and firefox builds
[14:25] <fta2> micahg, what kind of update?
[14:25] <micahg> fta2: yasm is 0.8 in debian and 1.0.1 is out
[14:25] <micahg> that's what Mozilla is building with
[14:26] <fta2> oh, i see. is there a big difference, perf wise?
[14:27] <micahg> fta2: idk, my guess is a little bit of improvement, but every little bit helps in the browser
[14:28] <fta2> micahg, i've discussed the use of ffvp8 in chromium with upstream, they said they will use it if it really proves faster, but not before it's on par with libvpx on the various arm arches needed by chrom*os
[14:29] <fta2> micahg, (wrt http://x264dev.multimedia.cx/?p=499)
[14:31] <micahg> fta2: cool, Mozilla has issues with that since it's LGPL
[14:31] <micahg> chrisccoulson: don't you need commas between Provides entries?
[14:32] <chrisccoulson> micahg - oops ;)
[14:32] <chrisccoulson> well spotted
[14:35] <micahg> chrisccoulson: so, I managed to get kmozillahelper renamed to firefox-kde-support, but now we have kmozillahelper in Lucid and firefox-kde-support in Maverick+, so do I do Suggests: firefox-kde-support | kmozillahelper so that the PPAs work or should I create a control.in file and add the appropriate one in rules?
[14:36] <chrisccoulson> micahg - the first solution should work ok
[14:37] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, I'll get that in later this week then
[20:50] <chrisccoulson> asac - if i want to get the latest binaries for arm, i should get them from http://ports.ubuntu.com/ shouldn't i?
[21:33] <asac> chrisccoulson_: yes
[21:35] <fta> asac, hey
[21:35] <micahg> fta: builders are back :)
[21:36] <fta> really?  http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/ppa-dashboard/chromium-daily.html
[21:36] <micahg> fta: just were restored, if they don't disappear again, they should be caught up by tomottow
[21:36] <micahg> *tomorrow
[21:38] <asac> fta: hi!
[21:41] <fta> micahg, the build-farm really makes me want to quit for good, seriously
[21:41] <micahg> fta: it's hard to complain about a free service
[21:42] <fta> micahg, sure, but my contribution is also free
[21:43] <micahg> fta: true, I see your point now, you fix an FTBFS and can't even get the builds to finish
[21:44] <fta> micahg, also, the non-daily ppas all contain hot security fixes, yet no valid builds in days
[21:44] <fta> so i can only conclude that PPAs are not suitable for shipping browsers
[21:45] <fta> not reliable
[21:45] <micahg> fta: well, not suited for immediate release
[21:46] <micahg> fta: you're in a tight spot since there's no lead time on the chromium builds, we usually get 3 weeks, even for emergency builds, we usually get a couple hours notice
[21:48] <fta> it always the same story, no resources for dailies, and not suitable for timely releases. so for me, it's useless as a service for the wide community of browser users
[21:48] <micahg> fta: I think once the administrative hurdles are out of the way, you might be able to get a native PPA that chrisccoulson could upload for you to for stable releases
[21:49] <fta> micahg, that won't work if it's not automated. i'd better give the whole thing to someone else and spend my time on something else
[21:50] <micahg> fta: idk what to say, asac or chrisccoulson_ any ideas?
[21:52] <fta> imho, only someone from canonical can do that, as we outsiders don't have access to enough resources
[21:52] <chrisccoulson_> i'm not sure. ultimately, the updates will go through -security (which i can upload to the PPA for), and the builds for those are scored quite high
[21:52] <fta> stable resources i mean
[21:53] <chrisccoulson_> so, some of the current issues will go away then, as the builds will generally move through the queue much faster
[21:53] <fta> chrisccoulson_, so you just confirmed that dailies are not welcome
[21:53] <chrisccoulson_> fta - no, dailies are welcome
[21:53] <micahg> fta: no, there's a whole campaign this cycle for dailies
[21:54] <fta> chrisccoulson_, clearly not when it's impossible to get a build in a week
[21:54] <chrisccoulson_> fta - welcome and possible are 2 different things though. they are certainly welcome, but i'm not sure why the PPA's are so slow atm
[21:55] <micahg> chrisccoulson_: the problem is the PPA builders get hijacked for  internal Canonical tasks (mirrors, test machines...)
[21:55] <chrisccoulson_> micahg - ah, ok
[21:55] <chrisccoulson_> and we have resource issues with the native builders at the moment too
[21:56] <fta> ok, i stop complaining, i'll build my own stuff somewhere else and let the ppas agonize
[21:59] <chrisccoulson_> fta - there's quite a few people currently asking for more buildd capacity atm, so people are aware that the current situation is sub-optimal
[22:00] <fta> sorry, been disconnected
[22:09] <fta> (again)