[02:56] <akgraner> nUboon2Age, ping - the articles you pulled this week are great! - Thanks and the you listed them are so easy to tweak!  THANKS!!!!
[02:56] <zkriesse> hey akgraner
[02:58] <akgraner> zkriesse, hey!
[02:58] <zkriesse> akgraner: how's the household
[02:59] <zkriesse> last i knew you guys weren't doing so good
[02:59] <akgraner> oh we're doing well now :-)
[03:00] <zkriesse> Good to hear Ma'am
[03:00] <akgraner> everyone is home and doing well - I have a friend whom I haven't seen since '89 when we were stationed together at Ft. Huachuca AZ visiting this week
[03:00] <akgraner> He's helping me write some summaries :-)  it's a fun time :-)
[03:01] <zkriesse> akgraner: Stationed?
[03:01] <akgraner> we were in the Army together
[03:01] <zkriesse> You a military woman?
[03:01] <akgraner> yep
[03:01] <akgraner> Army
[03:01] <zkriesse> AWESOME!
[03:01]  * zkriesse is working toward joining
[03:01] <zkriesse> Actually I was gonna take the oath last year and then they denied me
[03:02] <akgraner> I loved it - I was only in for 4 years Pete was in for 17
[03:02] <zkriesse> Pete is who?
[03:03] <nhandler> zkriesse: Pete Graner (her husband)
[03:03] <zkriesse> Ah
[03:03] <akgraner> nhandler, thanks!
[03:03] <nhandler> akgraner: See my question about the Upcoming Meetings Section from earlier (and my PMs) ?
[03:04] <akgraner> I did thank you!
[03:05] <akgraner> and it's "Nothing listed as of publication"
[03:05] <nhandler> akgraner: Alright. I thought that was just for no agenda items.
[03:06] <akgraner> either works as long as we are consistent on all days
[03:06] <nhandler> :)
[03:07] <akgraner> I'll look the info in the PM once I get this published:-)  won't be that much longer just getting all the info in one place
[03:08] <nhandler> akgraner: Alright. No rush on that stuff. It was more FYI than needing any action
[03:10] <akgraner> Thanks!  :-)
[03:14] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: oh, i'm glad that worked better. :)  I've been dealing w/ hardware problems and feel very depleted right now.
[03:15] <akgraner> I'm sorry  - That's how I felt earlier this week
[03:15] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: yes i know you can relate.
[03:17] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: q: how are we dealing with the whole blowup about concerns whether canonical contributes enough to Gnome story?
[03:18] <akgraner> It will be included in General Community News
[03:19] <akgraner> I contacted Jono earlier to run through how I was going to post it
[03:21] <nUboon2Age> i saw a twitter item from matt assay where he pointed out the survey covered all history, not just say past year, so that Canonical could never catch up, and therefore the stat was not useful.  salient point imo.
[03:22] <nUboon2Age> http://twitter.com/mjasay/status/19827108806
[03:26] <akgraner> there are a ton of myths that got stirred up there
[03:27] <akgraner> not with Matt Asay's article as I haven't read it yet
[03:27] <akgraner> just the whole discussion all the way around
[03:27] <akgraner> :-/
[03:31] <nUboon2Age> Matt's thing (above) is just a quick twitter post.  this kind of thing seems to fit into preconceived notions re: Canonical and then people jump into their preconstructed foxholes.  But the really unfortunate thing is that the preconceived notions have grown as pervasive as they seem to have.  There are probably at least some reasons for them which it would be good for Canonical and Ubuntu to really make a large effort to
[03:31] <nUboon2Age> try to extract itself from as well as mythbust in order to regain goodwill.
[03:32] <nUboon2Age> otherwise its just seen as another arrogant corporate power, whether deservedly or not.
[03:33] <nUboon2Age> are we going to cover Mark Shuttleworth's (belated) apology for unfortunate comments last fall which came out (i think) today? or will that be held for next week?
[03:33] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: ^^^^
[03:34] <akgraner> what comments? - I haven't looked at anything from today
[03:34] <akgraner> got a link
[03:34] <nUboon2Age> i'll find one...
[03:34] <akgraner> is it on his blog
[03:34] <akgraner> 1st what comments last fall - and which apology?
[03:35] <nUboon2Age> while i'm looking here's the link that i forgot before re: System76: http://netbook-expert.com/2010/07/system76-continues-linnux-netbook-line-with-second-gen-starling/
[03:35] <akgraner> I am going to have to cut something :-)
[03:35] <akgraner> it's getting way to long :-(
[03:36] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: i understand and expected that. no worries.
[03:36] <akgraner> nUboon2Age, hmmm the title has Linux spelled Linnux
[03:37] <nUboon2Age> :P   here's a reasonable coverage article of the apology: http://it.moldova.org/news/mark-shuttleworth-apologises-to-girls-211170-eng.html
[03:38] <nUboon2Age> this one is more detailed: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/08/mark-shuttleworth-apologises-for.html
[03:40] <akgraner> oh THOSE comments
[03:40] <akgraner> O.o
[03:40] <nUboon2Age> i read up on the whole thing.  major oops on MS's part.  too bad the apology took 11 months.
[03:40] <akgraner> Next week  it's dated today
[03:41] <nUboon2Age> okay, that's good.
[03:41] <akgraner> sigh
[03:41] <akgraner> anywho
[03:42] <nUboon2Age> okay i may be able to gather some energy and pitch in.  is there something i could help with right now?
[03:44] <akgraner> nUboon2Age, I wish  - just organize it right now but if you are around in like an hour could you proof
[03:44] <nUboon2Age> sure, i'll try to check in now and again and see if you've pinged me akgraner.
[03:48] <akgraner> nUboon2Age, thanks!!!
[03:53] <zkriesse> who needs proofing?
[03:54] <zkriesse> and of what?
[03:57] <akgraner> zkriesse, not yet but soon :-)
[03:57] <akgraner> ISsue 204
[03:57] <zkriesse> Awwww
[03:57] <akgraner> ugh the wiki is so S-L-O-W tonight
[03:58] <zkriesse> it's not for me
[03:58] <zkriesse> The wiki loves all the attention i give it though
[04:39] <akgraner> crap brb - grrrrr.......gotta luv technology
[04:50] <akgraner> hey all  in case you haven't read this - http://gregdekspeaks.wordpress.com/2010/08/01/old-wounds/
[04:51] <akgraner> I just tweeted and dented and FB'd it
[04:52] <nUboon2Age> (not thinking of this for newsletter, but just interest)  Microsoft Windows BSOD Caused Deepwater Horizon Disaster(?) http://techrights.org/2010/07/23/blue-screen-of-death-and-bp/
[04:54] <akgraner> nUboon2Age, I would not include it - while it may be a valid point  - I am not inclined to include stuff like that
[04:55] <nUboon2Age> no i was just passing it along to y'all for interest not for newsletter (as i said above) :)
[04:55] <akgraner> ahhh
[04:55] <akgraner> sorry - let me go back to one thing at a time
[04:55] <akgraner> :-/
[04:56] <akgraner> nUboon2Age, I'm writing my the GCN stuff now - if you want to review what is there already on the wiki
[04:58] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: okay i'll start looking at it.  :)
[05:20] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: one question that i wasn't sure about when i was putting the articles in an am still wondering about is whether we have (or want) to have a way to indicate where quotes begin and end?
[05:21] <akgraner> nah - all content in the newsletter is posted other places
[05:22] <akgraner> we just need to make sure when possible we point out who wrote it and make sure we link back to it
[05:22] <akgraner> it make is way to hard when I am reformatting for other areas
[05:22] <akgraner> I tried using italics but then I have to remove them all
[05:22] <akgraner> I tried quotes - but you might as well put everything in quotes
[05:23] <akgraner> and sometimes we quote people quoting other people which looks really funny  - like ""this""
[05:23] <akgraner> all over the place
[05:23] <akgraner> so people who read the newletter know we are only consolidating what is out there
[05:24] <nUboon2Age> okay, good enough
[05:26] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: here's a point that's a bit awkward where we might want some editing:   (under Ubuntu Server makes gains at SUSE Linux' expense )    That said, Canonical Ltd.’...
[05:26] <nUboon2Age> but i didn't put in the preceding part
[05:27] <nUboon2Age> well i suppose when i read the sentence you put before that its not too awkward after all...
[05:27] <akgraner> I was going to fix that just haven't gotten there yet
[05:29] <nUboon2Age> i guess its just the transition from our summary sentence to the quote that feels a little odd...
[05:33] <akgraner> nUboon2Age, just drop those 1st 2 paragraph's in
[05:34] <nUboon2Age> spelling: Loco Council:  .... inforaml
[05:37] <akgraner> where are you looking
[05:37] <akgraner> Team Reports
[05:37] <akgraner> we refer to the LoCo Council as just that
[05:38] <akgraner> the "LoCo Council"
[05:48] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: i think they meant 'informal' not 'inforaml', yes?
[05:48] <akgraner> oh I wasn't looking at that sorry
[05:49] <nUboon2Age> that's what i was pointing out, not Loco/LoCO (my misspelling. :) )
[05:49] <akgraner> I though you were saying LoCo Council was informal for Local Community Council
[05:49] <akgraner> DOH!
[05:50] <akgraner> nUboon2Age, typically we don't fix posts that are a direct quote but spelling errors I usually try to - btw it's fixed now
[05:51] <nUboon2Age> i dropped a paragraph into ietherpad...ideas to patch up that article (don't know if that's what you meant by drop, but the main wiki page isn't editable by me so ...
[05:52] <akgraner> b/c if we don't then - people think the news team misspelled it and not the original writer but I don't feel like adding [sip] in front of all spelling errors
[05:52] <nUboon2Age> other than that i didn't notice anything else akgraner.
[05:52] <akgraner> that's fine
[05:52] <akgraner> :-)
[05:52] <akgraner> Thank you!
[05:52] <akgraner> I'll add that to the wiki
[05:52] <akgraner> since I am in and out of it right now
[05:53] <nUboon2Age> looks good.  Very informative.  i enjoyed reading about Xubuntu and Kubuntu in particular, having used both.
[05:54] <akgraner> :-)
[05:54] <akgraner> nUboon2Age, just an FYI for ya - you'll see in the wiki marks that look like ``
[05:54] <akgraner> this to break the camelcase or Hotlinks were the works are in wiki format
[05:55] <akgraner> also b/c we are in and out of the document saving it a million times over we always use trivial change and remove trailing white space box as well
[05:56] <akgraner> other wise people like dholbach will get a million emails in his inbox every sunday
[05:59] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: where do i look to see those marks?
[06:02] <akgraner> clook at the drop down menu
[06:02] <akgraner> and click on raw data
[06:02] <akgraner> and you'll see them on the various words
[06:03] <akgraner> don't click edit right now as I am in the wiki
[06:04] <nUboon2Age> oh, okay i see them.  now it makes sense.
[06:06] <nUboon2Age> will Lubuntu start being covered when after they become official (10.10 i guess)?  i've been hearing them interviewed a lot on various podcasts.
[06:07] <akgraner> Let's talk about all that tomorrow or the next got a few more things to add - and I've forgotten about my swamp at the moment :-)
[06:10] <nUboon2Age> there was an article that brought out that point about Matt Asay's tweet which seems important to me... let me see if i can find it.  it was fairly balanced i thought...
[06:12] <nUboon2Age> Canonical's Disconnect with Linux Developer Community, http://www.itworld.com/open-source/115819/canonicals-disconnect-linux-developer-community
[06:12] <nUboon2Age> i think that would be good to add to the list of articles.
[06:14] <nUboon2Age> it actually comes down pretty much positive towards Canonical by the end (not that i think only positive things should be reported -- i don't) but i thought that one covered the whole debate pretty well and brought out some important points the other articles on the list missed.
[06:15] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: ^^^
[06:15] <akgraner> I don't want to add more to that - as Greg ended up apologizing  - but I'll look at it
[06:15] <akgraner> :-)
[06:16] <nUboon2Age> yeah, i'd put it before Greg's apology note.
[06:16] <akgraner> Normally it wouldn't matter b/c UWN would have been published hours ago - but I'm not back on my schedule yet
[06:18] <nUboon2Age> yup, and then this kurfuffle comes up to complicate things.  :/
[06:25] <akgraner> just one of those things  - :-)
[09:32] <akgraner> The new edition of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available here:
[09:32] <akgraner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue204
[09:48] <YoBoY> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue204#Ubuntu North Carolina LoCo Team << this title don't have the right level i think
[10:03] <akgraner> YoBoY, thanks it's fixed now :-)
[10:08] <akgraner> Thanks for another awesome week you all! Everything thing has been posted and we are ready for a new week in Ubuntu News - Thanks agian!
[10:08] <akgraner> Here are the links for working on next weeks issue:
[10:08] <akgraner> etherpad for adding summaries -  http://ietherpad.com/UWN
[10:08] <akgraner> etherpad for adding links and titles only - http://ietherpad.com/UWN-Ideas
[10:08] <akgraner> googledoc - https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AdKZelXU8Y2LZGNrcHRkYmhfODlkODNxNnRnZA&hl=en
[10:08] <akgraner> wiki page - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue205
[10:12] <YoBoY> stupid question, why the Translation Stats Lucid always show the same langages ?
[10:45] <akgraner> YoBoY, it the languages with the most activity
[10:45] <akgraner> we can't include them all - I wish we could
[10:47] <akgraner> Grr - I have to leave my house in 1.5 hours to take my daughter to band camp  - and so ends my summer :-)
[11:11] <YoBoY> i'm asking that because 2 things bother me on this "Translation Stats", first one is seeing the english in the first place, we are translating from english strings, not the opposite, second one is this freezed list who never change, not really usefull to see every week the same list.
[11:21] <akgraner> sorry about that - :-/ my computer just shut down for no reason - hmmmm
[11:21] <akgraner> YoBoY, I am open to suggestions :-)
[11:22] <YoBoY> well... i don't know how do you have this list ^^"
[11:23] <YoBoY> but my first suggestion is to delete the english entry :p
[11:31] <akgraner> YoBoY, take a look where we pull the information from -https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/ - I have to take my daughter to band camp soon - but I will be back later today - but feel free to email suggestions - I'll also talk to dpm about it and see what suggestions he has
[11:34] <YoBoY> yes i have seen this page, but this don't help me understand how the stats work ^^ i'll try to write a mail about it
[11:39] <akgraner> YoBoY, I'm sorry I don't have time to get explain it right this second :-(  when I get back home  - I'll see if you are around ok?
[11:40] <YoBoY> no problem :) we have time to talk about this