[02:25] <ScottL> crimsun, jussi persia stochastic TheMuso : i would like to get your opinions on the network-admin bug #570828
[02:26] <ScottL> basically, the UI has been removed that allows network configuration because network-manager was implemented and they wanted only one place to make the configuration
[02:26] <ScottL> i have not had much luck in either fixing the problem or getting someone already involved to fix it
[02:27] <ScottL> so i was thinking that perhaps we should drop in network-manager as a replacement for network-admin in the last alpha and test it
[02:27] <ScottL> if we don't see too many adverse effects perhaps we might consider using network-manager as default
[02:27] <ScottL> thoughts?
[02:33] <crimsun> hmm. That's a tough one. I think replacing g-n-a with n-m is the way to go.
[02:33] <crimsun> In the end, if the issues lie in the kernel and in n-m, they need to be fixed for everyone.
[02:38] <TheMuso> crimsun: Agreed. We already ship nm-applet, not hard to move it to desktop.
[02:38] <TheMuso> crimsun: BTW, do you have a pointer to your ossproxy packaging anywhere? Would like to test/get it into maverick.
[13:13] <scott-work> it looks like the qjackctl ports-rename SRU is marked as "fix released"...yay
[13:13] <scott-work> thank you again crimsun for you help doing that :)
[13:13] <scott-work> it feels good to substantially improve the quality of the release for a LTS version
[14:01] <scott-work> TheMuso: did you know that phonon is installed on the ubuntu studio ISO?
[14:02] <falktx> hm, scott-work, really?
[14:02] <falktx> phonon is a qt/kde thing
[14:02] <scott-work> lol falktx i just posted in OSM to you
[14:02] <falktx> hehe, cool
[14:03] <scott-work> yeah, /pool/main/p/phonon/libphonon4_4.7.0really4.4.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb /pool/main/p/phonon/phonon-backend-xine_4.7.0really4.4.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb /pool/main/p/phonon/phonon_4.7.0really4.4.2-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[14:03] <scott-work> or in readable human english
[14:03] <falktx> oh, and xine as well I suppose
[14:03] <scott-work> libphonon4_4.7.0really4.4.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[14:03] <falktx> scott-work: look for xine too
[14:03] <scott-work> phonon-backend-xine_4.7.0really4.4.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[14:03] <scott-work> phonon_4.7.0really4.4.2-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[14:04] <scott-work> hmmm, libxine1-bin_1.1.18.1-4ubuntu3_i386.deb libxine1-console_1.1.18.1-4ubuntu3_i386.deb libxine1-misc-plugins_1.1.18.1-4ubuntu3_i386.deb libxine1-x_1.1.18.1-4ubuntu3_i386.deb libxine1_1.1.18.1-4ubuntu3_i386.deb
[14:07] <falktx> that's too bad for a gnome distro
[14:07] <falktx> which app is pulling those?
[14:08] <scott-work> i don't know and not sure how to find it other than hunt and peck
[14:09] <falktx> scott-work: any "kde" packages ?
[14:09] <falktx> kdelibs5 for example?
[14:09] <scott-work> falktx: no kde other than "disKDEfines"
[14:10] <scott-work> i'm guessing totem might be pulling xine in?
[14:10] <falktx> yep, i'm looking at the list now
[14:10] <falktx> totem has both gstreamer and xine backends
[14:11] <falktx> i'm sure it's not totem
[14:11] <falktx> probably qt libs instead
[14:11] <falktx> scott-work: do you have a recent install of ubuntustudio?
[14:12] <scott-work> i'm at work so not at the moment
[14:12] <falktx> you can easily check there which package is pulling the xine/phonon thing...
[14:12] <falktx> oh
[14:12] <falktx> i can install it now to test
[14:13] <falktx> downloading the latest iso, I'll install it on virtualbox and check this for you
[14:16] <scott-work> sweet :)
[14:16] <falktx> enterprise internet is awesome!
[14:16] <scott-work> lol
[14:16] <falktx> 1m to complete download
[14:17] <falktx> hehe, 7.0Mb/s
[14:18] <falktx> done, installing it now
[14:19] <scott-work> are you going to use 'rdepends' to find this?
[14:20] <falktx> synaptic
[14:20] <falktx> gui is better
[15:01] <falktx> scott-work: the installation failed, cannot find kernel
[15:02] <falktx> i'll try to install even without kernel, but that will cause issues of course
[15:02] <falktx> should be enough for this xine/phonon thing too
[15:03] <scott-work> hmmm, interesting that the kernel failed :(
[15:03] <falktx> another error about aptitude
[15:04] <falktx> "Can't exec 'aptitude': No such file or..."
[15:04] <falktx> afaik, aptitude was removed from default ubuntu installs
[15:05] <falktx> why does ubuntustudio still needs it?
[15:06] <falktx> installation failed! I'll try reinstall
[15:15] <falktx> scott-work: ubuntustudio is uninstallable
[15:15] <falktx> 1st error - cannot find kernel
[15:15] <falktx> 2nd error - trying to use aptitude while it's not installed anymore, gives errors after setting user password
[15:16] <falktx> the 2nd error is the worse, the installation just stops
[15:17] <falktx> I'll install the "command-line only" option, then checking the ubuntustudio packages to see what pushes phonon
[15:22] <falktx> scott-work: it seems like all ubuntu alternate cds are now broken... :((
[15:23] <falktx> (maverick only, lucid is still fine)
[15:29] <scott-work> falktx: most disturbing, i wonder if the server ISO is broken also, i will download a daily of both server-alternate and ubuntustudio for maverick tonight and see
[15:30] <falktx> i think it's because of the aptitude removal
[15:31] <falktx> the kernel not found i'm not sure
[15:39] <scott-work> this might be slightly bad since we are scheduled to release the next alpha ISO this Friday i think
[15:43] <scott-work> i wonder if this is a problem with installing in VM or just a problem holistically
[15:43] <falktx> the aptitude error is bad, i'm sure it will happen to everyone
[15:44] <scott-work> i wonder if this is a transitory problem, it would surprise me if no one thought about this being a problem at Canonical or with one of the core-devs involved
[15:47] <falktx> probably ubuntu changed the aptitude thing on their alternate cds
[15:48] <falktx> for what i can tell, scripts are ran when installing from an alternate cd
[15:48] <falktx> one of those scripts has "aptitude" in line 2
[15:49] <falktx> since aptitude is no longer in ubuntu-minimal package (installed before the kernel),
[15:49] <falktx> everything else will fail for those who depends on aptitude
[16:56] <scott-work> falktx: you downloaded from the daily?
[16:58] <falktx> scott-work: yes, daily/current
[21:57]  * abogani_ waves
[22:26] <scott-work> hi abogani  :)
[22:32] <holstein> w00t
[22:32]  * holstein started using abogani 's kernel PPA
[22:33] <scott-work> hi holstein  :)
[22:33] <scott-work> bye holstein  :)
[22:53] <TheMuso> ScottL: Yes, kde apps pull it in.