[02:25] crimsun, jussi persia stochastic TheMuso : i would like to get your opinions on the network-admin bug #570828 [02:25] Launchpad bug 570828 in gnome-system-tools (Ubuntu) "gnome-network-admin on UbuntuStudio doesnt allow to configure either wired networks or wireless" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/570828 [02:26] basically, the UI has been removed that allows network configuration because network-manager was implemented and they wanted only one place to make the configuration [02:26] i have not had much luck in either fixing the problem or getting someone already involved to fix it [02:27] so i was thinking that perhaps we should drop in network-manager as a replacement for network-admin in the last alpha and test it [02:27] if we don't see too many adverse effects perhaps we might consider using network-manager as default [02:27] thoughts? [02:33] hmm. That's a tough one. I think replacing g-n-a with n-m is the way to go. [02:33] In the end, if the issues lie in the kernel and in n-m, they need to be fixed for everyone. [02:38] crimsun: Agreed. We already ship nm-applet, not hard to move it to desktop. [02:38] crimsun: BTW, do you have a pointer to your ossproxy packaging anywhere? Would like to test/get it into maverick. [13:13] it looks like the qjackctl ports-rename SRU is marked as "fix released"...yay [13:13] thank you again crimsun for you help doing that :) [13:13] it feels good to substantially improve the quality of the release for a LTS version [14:01] TheMuso: did you know that phonon is installed on the ubuntu studio ISO? [14:02] hm, scott-work, really? [14:02] phonon is a qt/kde thing [14:02] lol falktx i just posted in OSM to you [14:02] hehe, cool [14:03] yeah, /pool/main/p/phonon/libphonon4_4.7.0really4.4.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb /pool/main/p/phonon/phonon-backend-xine_4.7.0really4.4.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb /pool/main/p/phonon/phonon_4.7.0really4.4.2-0ubuntu1_all.deb [14:03] or in readable human english [14:03] oh, and xine as well I suppose [14:03] libphonon4_4.7.0really4.4.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb [14:03] scott-work: look for xine too [14:03] phonon-backend-xine_4.7.0really4.4.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb [14:03] phonon_4.7.0really4.4.2-0ubuntu1_all.deb [14:04] hmmm, libxine1-bin_1.1.18.1-4ubuntu3_i386.deb libxine1-console_1.1.18.1-4ubuntu3_i386.deb libxine1-misc-plugins_1.1.18.1-4ubuntu3_i386.deb libxine1-x_1.1.18.1-4ubuntu3_i386.deb libxine1_1.1.18.1-4ubuntu3_i386.deb [14:07] that's too bad for a gnome distro [14:07] which app is pulling those? [14:08] i don't know and not sure how to find it other than hunt and peck [14:09] scott-work: any "kde" packages ? [14:09] kdelibs5 for example? [14:09] falktx: no kde other than "disKDEfines" [14:10] i'm guessing totem might be pulling xine in? [14:10] yep, i'm looking at the list now [14:10] totem has both gstreamer and xine backends [14:11] i'm sure it's not totem [14:11] probably qt libs instead [14:11] scott-work: do you have a recent install of ubuntustudio? [14:12] i'm at work so not at the moment [14:12] you can easily check there which package is pulling the xine/phonon thing... [14:12] oh [14:12] i can install it now to test [14:13] downloading the latest iso, I'll install it on virtualbox and check this for you [14:16] sweet :) [14:16] enterprise internet is awesome! [14:16] lol [14:16] 1m to complete download [14:17] hehe, 7.0Mb/s [14:18] done, installing it now [14:19] are you going to use 'rdepends' to find this? [14:20] synaptic [14:20] gui is better [15:01] scott-work: the installation failed, cannot find kernel [15:02] i'll try to install even without kernel, but that will cause issues of course [15:02] should be enough for this xine/phonon thing too [15:03] hmmm, interesting that the kernel failed :( [15:03] another error about aptitude [15:04] "Can't exec 'aptitude': No such file or..." [15:04] afaik, aptitude was removed from default ubuntu installs [15:05] why does ubuntustudio still needs it? [15:06] installation failed! I'll try reinstall [15:15] scott-work: ubuntustudio is uninstallable [15:15] 1st error - cannot find kernel [15:15] 2nd error - trying to use aptitude while it's not installed anymore, gives errors after setting user password [15:16] the 2nd error is the worse, the installation just stops [15:17] I'll install the "command-line only" option, then checking the ubuntustudio packages to see what pushes phonon [15:22] scott-work: it seems like all ubuntu alternate cds are now broken... :(( [15:23] (maverick only, lucid is still fine) [15:29] falktx: most disturbing, i wonder if the server ISO is broken also, i will download a daily of both server-alternate and ubuntustudio for maverick tonight and see [15:30] i think it's because of the aptitude removal [15:31] the kernel not found i'm not sure [15:39] this might be slightly bad since we are scheduled to release the next alpha ISO this Friday i think [15:43] i wonder if this is a problem with installing in VM or just a problem holistically [15:43] the aptitude error is bad, i'm sure it will happen to everyone [15:44] i wonder if this is a transitory problem, it would surprise me if no one thought about this being a problem at Canonical or with one of the core-devs involved [15:47] probably ubuntu changed the aptitude thing on their alternate cds [15:48] for what i can tell, scripts are ran when installing from an alternate cd [15:48] one of those scripts has "aptitude" in line 2 [15:49] since aptitude is no longer in ubuntu-minimal package (installed before the kernel), [15:49] everything else will fail for those who depends on aptitude [16:56] falktx: you downloaded from the daily? [16:58] scott-work: yes, daily/current [21:57] * abogani_ waves [22:26] hi abogani :) [22:32] w00t [22:32] * holstein started using abogani 's kernel PPA [22:33] hi holstein :) [22:33] bye holstein :) [22:53] ScottL: Yes, kde apps pull it in.