[00:00] <well_laid_lawn> but you have to kill X first
[00:00] <twig_> lemme pull that log up, i know ive looked but i cat remember now
[00:05] <twig_> i was hoping i wouldnt have to kill X, i saw that option but im real new with linux, i wouldnt bother with this except my monitor is small and i was trying to hook up a old crt so i could have the man and howto pages open while i worked
[00:07] <well_laid_lawn> if you want X to use another config it will need a restart - or you use randr from the cli
[00:07] <well_laid_lawn> with the monitor plugged in and on does it show in xrandr
[00:07] <Sysi> arandr is graphical fronted for that
[00:08] <well_laid_lawn> did not know about arandr thnx Sysi
[00:09] <twig_> i had tried grandr but that showed showed a default and didnt give me ne way of adding an output
[00:11] <twig_> Open ACPI failed (/var/run/acpid.socket) (No such file or directory)   am i missing a pkg maybe?
[00:12] <twig_> arandr is same as grandr, it shows a output marked default and nothing else
[00:14] <well_laid_lawn> how many outputs show up in xrandr then?
[00:15] <well_laid_lawn> at the top of http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 they show an example with four outputs
[00:15] <twig_> yeah i dont have that
[00:16] <well_laid_lawn> how many outputs show up in xrandr then?
[00:16] <Sysi> pastebin your xrandr output?
[00:17] <twig_> hold on one sec double checking making sure im reading it right
[00:17] <twig_> okay i think im showing one
[00:18] <well_laid_lawn> if there's more on the card the log will show 'em
[00:20] <twig_> http://pastebin.com/xpgM15iy
[00:20] <well_laid_lawn> The old days where you had to restart X when plugging a new monitor are gone. With RandR 1.2, you can plug/unplug monitors whenever you want. Running the following line will query all outputs and enable them with their default mode
[00:21] <well_laid_lawn> xrandr --auto
[00:21] <twig_> i tried that...  the term paused for a second and then gave me a new prompt
[00:23] <well_laid_lawn> are you trying to run onboard and a agp card at the same time?
[00:24] <twig_> apparently the onboard is either the agp or mislabeled because the second card is a old pci slot
[00:25] <Sysi> two differen graphics card at the same time is something i wouldn't try
[00:25] <twig_> its a compaq p6700n onboard card with a matrox mill2 pci card
[00:25] <well_laid_lawn> it at least needs a diff approach
[00:27] <twig_> so rather than xinerama i should look into the seprate sessions deal so linux treats them as two diff desktops?
[00:29] <well_laid_lawn> I would look for two vid cards sharing X
[00:30] <well_laid_lawn> xinerama is for two outputs on the one card afaik
[00:31] <twig_> oh the pages i was looking at were sounding like xinerama didnt care as long as it could see two, they were about a year old though
[00:32] <twig_> the only things i had found was xin and twinview
[00:32] <well_laid_lawn> try   http://superuser.com/questions/117239/how-can-i-get-multiple-video-cards-to-work-on-linux
[00:32] <twig_> but i havnt been online in a long time
[00:32] <twig_> k
[00:34] <well_laid_lawn> does   lspci | grep VGA   return two lines?
[00:35] <twig_> hold on a sec i was still reading it over
[00:35] <well_laid_lawn> k :]
[00:35] <twig_> got to much stuff open
[00:38] <twig_> 2 VGA compatible controllers
[00:39] <twig_> so if i write the xorg.conf it will force evrything else to follow?
[00:39] <well_laid_lawn> excellent - so in the xorg.conf you need two driver sections each showing the relevant bus id
[00:41] <twig_> i have a page witha  sample one fully written, with the info from this superuser.com link i should be able to re-write it
[00:41] <well_laid_lawn> and two monitor sections each one nemaed in the relevant driver section
[00:41] <well_laid_lawn> ok great :]
[00:41] <twig_> when i first looked at that and then went to xorg.conf it was empty so i was still looking for a configuration file that had something in it
[00:42] <twig_> actually i think it was Xorg.conf
[00:42] <twig_> i checked them both to be sure
[00:42] <well_laid_lawn> it should be little x xorg.conf for the filename
[00:42] <twig_> ok
[00:43] <twig_> i was checking everything i could find, looked up wildcard usage so i could search for every conf file, config, etc
[00:45] <well_laid_lawn> some know google-fu some don't yet :]
[00:45] <well_laid_lawn> ppl*
[00:46] <twig_> so i make my backup and then the ubuntu forums has a howto (i already checked) on accessing files using chroot from the live cd, that should work to replace the blank conf file so that it will be were it is now correct?
[00:46] <twig_> yeah my search skills are crap, havnt had aconnect in years so ive been looking at googleguide and some other stuff like that
[00:46] <texastwister> Having trouble with an "alternate" install of Xubuntu 10.04 on a very old PC.  After going through the entire install, I get "error: unknown filesystem." and a grub rescue prompt.  Current partitioning is /dev/sda1 = 300 MB, bootable, ext3 (or 4) mounted at /boot, /dev/sda2 = 3G swap, /dev/sda3 = 70+GB ext4 mounted at /. Grub installed to /dev/sda.
[00:47] <twig_> hehe
[00:47] <twig_> i went through an hour and ahlaf of alt xubuntu last night got to grub install and failed
[00:47] <texastwister> I've tried several other partition configs, but nothing seems to work.
[00:48] <well_laid_lawn> twig_: to get the xorg.conf file into /etc/X11 I would just do   sudo cp -v ./xorg.con /etc/X11/xorg.conf and then log out
[00:48] <twig_> its not as clean but theres a way to install ubuntu, then the xubuntu desktop and then remove most of the ubuntu install stuff that doesnt match up
[00:48] <well_laid_lawn> !purexfce
[00:50] <twig_> thats the one ubottu
[00:50] <twig_> oh bot, duh
[00:51] <texastwister> Used the same disk on another system (not as old) with no problem...
[00:51] <twig_> texas: other than my optical drive continually trying to commit suicide the ubuntu install works really well
[00:52] <twig_> i dont know enough to help you ne more than that
[00:52] <well_laid_lawn> texastwister: anything in the bios about partition size limits?
[00:53] <texastwister> well_laid_lawn: Possibly -- but I thought I addressed that by creating the small /boot partition
[00:53] <twig_> bbl
[00:54] <well_laid_lawn> texastwister: it is trying to boot to the 70+GB partition
[00:54] <well_laid_lawn> try a 10GB / and the rest /home
[00:55] <well_laid_lawn> you'll need an extended partition to do that
[00:55] <well_laid_lawn> can't have more than 4 primaries afaik
[00:55] <texastwister> well_laid_lawn: Should be booting just the kernel and the initrd from /boot, no?  And then the kernel should be able to address the rest of the disk... or so I thought...
[00:56] <RJ_F1> you need to set the root partition to load from, i believe
[00:56] <Sysi> you can have every single folder in own partition
[00:57] <texastwister> Sysi: not quite true... several directories are required to be on the root partition for proper function.  But I know that many folders can be on dedicated partitions.
[00:59] <RJ_F1> I have a problem with the shutdown options
[01:00] <RJ_F1> the "save session" is not checked, yet when I reboot, what I had up comes back up anyway. Any way to fix that?
[01:01] <well_laid_lawn> at login select xfce session not last session iirc
[01:01] <RJ_F1> i believe it is auto set to "xubuntu session" should i still try xfce?
[01:02] <well_laid_lawn> is there no last session option?
[01:02] <well_laid_lawn> it might be the xubuntu one
[01:02] <RJ_F1> i do not think so. ,let me check.
[01:03] <Sysi> texastwister: afaik everything can be on differet partition, it's about unix-structure
[01:03] <Sysi> texastwister: of course you need to have fstab right then
[01:03] <RJ_F1> there is Xterm, Xfce, and Xubuntu session ( xubuntu session in italics)
[01:04] <well_laid_lawn> RJ_F1: I would try the xfce one
[01:04] <Sysi> stay here long enough that i can tell solution -.-
[01:04] <Sysi> RJ_F1: rm -rf .cache/sessions/
[01:05] <RJ_F1> sorry, it froze.
[01:05] <RJ_F1> should I run that as sudo?
[01:05] <Sysi> no
[01:05] <RJ_F1> ok.
[01:05] <RJ_F1> command completed with no messages.
[01:05] <Sysi> and then check tap for saving epty session
[01:06] <RJ_F1> sorry, i didnt get that
[01:06] <Sysi> or well, it doesn't matter
[01:06] <RJ_F1> so it should be ok now?
[01:06] <Sysi> yup
[01:07] <RJ_F1> ok thanks.
[01:07] <Sysi> i need to go to bed →
[01:07] <RJ_F1> goodnight, then, i guess
[02:18] <twig_> Xorg -configure
[02:49] <dbdii407> Where can I download the theme used in the current release?
[02:50] <dbdii407> My sister is bothered by this system's default look and is dying to have the old theme back
[02:56] <tenach> Is there a way to make xfce remember window locations?  It is the only gripe I have with this wm, and one would think that it'd do this by default.
[02:57] <tenach> I've been searching through documentation and google to no avail.
[03:04] <icarus> hello, does anyone have experience with creating ntfs partitions?
[03:04] <icarus> i cant seem to get my windows 7 cd to accept the ntfs partition ive made from within linux
[03:54] <xubuntu659> anyone in here ?
[03:57] <xubuntu659> no none
[04:01] <thefatloverboy> how can i open a cd in xubuntu?
[04:05] <thefatloverboy> so
[04:05] <thefatloverboy> how can i open a cd in xubuntu?
[04:13] <thefatloverboy> help
[04:32] <mranima> Hello?
[04:33] <mranima> question how do I install themes?
[08:28] <Guest12135> Hello
[08:31] <Guest12135> Would be possible to enable single click on desktop?
[08:34] <TheSheep> not yet
[08:34] <Guest12135> is it something to do with GTK+?
[08:37] <Guest12135> is it reserved for gnome users only?
[08:39] <TheSheep> it's because of how the xfdesktop component of xfce is written
[08:40] <TheSheep> it will be rewritten to enable that option, but it takes time
[08:40] <Guest12135> right, thanks for information.
[08:40] <Guest12135> bye\
[08:59] <sagarchalise> Is it possible to change default file manager to pcmanfm
[09:03] <TheSheep> just start using that other file manager
[09:04] <TheSheep> there is nothing that makes thunar special
[10:27] <ronia> Seems like Xubuntu fetches the wrong time from the network. Where are the settings for changing time zones/ time?
[10:30] <TheSheep> ronia: system -> time and date
[10:38] <redwyrm> why does the verve command line not ever have focus?
[10:38] <redwyrm> even when I click on it?
[10:38] <redwyrm> (I'm running 10.4)
[10:42] <zaib> help cant install new software
[10:43] <TheSheep> what is the error message?
[10:43] <zaib> Previous installation hasn't been completed
[10:43] <zaib> The installation could have failed because of an error in the corresponding software package or it was cancelled in an unfriendly way. You have to repair this before you can install or remove any further software.
[10:43] <TheSheep> that's pretty self-explanatory
[10:44] <zaib> the above is the error
[10:44] <zaib> i m using ubuntu software centre
[10:45] <zaib> help
[10:45] <TheSheep> the message already explains what happened and what you need to do, how can I help you further?
[10:45] <zaib> this is my first day with any linux plz explan
[10:46] <zaib> what should i do
[10:47] <knome> zaib, we will help you, but there's no reason to lie (you've been asking for help here before, so it's not your first day)
[10:47] <TheSheep> zaib: can you go to applications->system->synaptic package manager and see if you get any error there?
[10:48] <zaib> sorry
[10:48] <zaib> An error occurred  The following details are provided:
[10:49] <zaib> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.  E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
[10:49] <knome> !pastebin | zaib
[10:49] <TheSheep> ok, can you try that command it recommends in terminal?
[10:49] <zaib> ?
[10:50] <zaib> what is pastebin
[10:54] <zaib> how can i take screen shot
[10:57] <zaib> http://imagebin.org/107767
[10:58] <zaib> hello
[10:59] <zaib> help !
[10:59] <ronia> TheSheep, thx!
[11:00] <schlaftier> zaib: Note that you have misspelled "configure" there
[11:01] <schlaftier> and also omitted a space
[11:03] <zaib> http://imagebin.org/107770 now what
[11:04] <schlaftier> zaib: It's --configure -a (there's a space in between)
[11:06] <zaib> http://imagebin.org/107771
[11:07] <zaib> the confiure -a also dont work
[11:07] <schlaftier> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[11:08] <schlaftier> zaib: Make sure to get every single character right, please.
[11:08] <zaib> configure sorry my ''G'' doest sometime work
[11:08] <schlaftier> you might want to copy-paste that into your terminal
[11:09] <zaib> can you tell me where space is and where not
[11:10] <schlaftier> zaib: just copy-paste it
[11:11] <zaib> how can u copy paste on a terminal ?
[11:11] <schlaftier> zaib: right-click, or via the edit menu
[11:12] <ronia> zaib, if you use the gui terminal, its also ctrl-shift-c and ctrl-shift-v
[11:16] <zaib> thanks all problem solved :)
[11:18] <zaib> and there is another problem ,vlc player show different line of colours like red ,green etc when i play dvd
[11:19] <zaib> !
[11:28] <zaib> http://imagebin.org/107776 problem not solved still cant install software
[11:29] <zaib> plz anyone help
[11:31] <zaib> some one help
[11:32] <zaib> help
[11:33] <zaib> h
[11:33] <zaib> e
[11:33] <zaib> l
[11:33] <zaib> p
[11:35] <zaib> help
[11:35] <zaib> anyone
[11:36] <schlaftier> zaib: relax and have patience, this will not help. Eventually, somebody will be there to help
[11:36] <schlaftier> zaib: Try clicking on "Details"
[11:45] <zaib> details say :E:I wasn't able to locate a file for the fgfs-base package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. (due to missing arch):
[11:53] <schlaftier> zaib: As it's pretty quiet here and it doesn't seem to be Xubuntu-specific, you might be better off asking in #ubuntu
[11:56] <zaib> thanks me going and thinking of removing xubuntu and installing xp
[11:58] <zaib> xp or xubuntu which is better
[11:58] <Sysi> i hate xp so much
[11:59] <schlaftier> so do I
[12:00] <schlaftier> If it must be Windows, then Vista or 7
[12:01] <Sysi> vista isn't really usable if you don't have 2-4GB ram
[12:02] <zaib> can u name any other os that i can run on 192 mb RAM computer
[12:02] <Sysi> 7 is almost okay but i'm not supportin piracy or expensive software
[12:02] <Sysi> xp with 192mb sounds great, it's slow even with 512
[12:02] <Sysi> win 98?
[12:03] <zaib> no not windows any linux
[12:03] <Sysi> DSL, lubuntu, puppy
[12:04] <schlaftier> I suggest you keep Xubuntu and get rid of the problems you're having now
[12:04] <zaib> is xubuntu more heavy than lubuntu
[12:04] <Sysi> yes
[12:05] <schlaftier> oh, wait, only 192 MB... maybe Lubuntu is a better choice
[12:06] <schlaftier> But then again, all these are only variants of Ubuntu which are different only because of the desktop environment and default software
[12:07] <zaib> is lubuntu faster than xp
[12:07] <Sysi> should be, lot
[12:08] <Sysi> schlaftier: those are biggest you can do for memory footprint
[12:09] <schlaftier> Sysi: Yes, I was just implying that zaib does not need to reinstall everything for "switching" from Xubuntu to Lubuntu
[12:09] <Sysi> yeah
[12:10] <zaib> how faster than xp (lubuntu)
[12:10] <TheSheep> 42
[12:10] <zaib> 42 ?
[12:10] <TheSheep> yes
[12:11] <Sysi> that's right
[12:11] <zaib> 42 ?
[12:11] <zaib> whats right
[12:11] <TheSheep> ok, maybe 41.73
[12:11] <zaib> what is 42 , 41.73
[12:11] <TheSheep> numbers
[12:12] <zaib> hahaha
[12:12] <Sysi> "Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life the Universe and Everything"
[12:12] <zaib> tell me how are u comparin
[12:12] <zaib> g
[12:12] <TheSheep> well, you should tell us in your question, because otherwise it doesn't make any sense
[12:13] <Sysi> and it's hard to tell exact difference
[12:13] <zaib> ok  !
[12:13] <Sysi> and windows is after half of year a lot slower than after installing :P
[12:14] <TheSheep> usually doing very cpu-intensive things will be similar, because operating system tends to keep away from the program then
[12:14] <zaib> xubuntu is very slow than xp i think ?
[12:14] <TheSheep> but things like starting up, starting an application, etc. will be faster, how much -- depends on the hardware and the application itself
[12:15] <TheSheep> zaib: no, it's much faster, at least on my computer
[12:15] <Sysi> xubuntu works better with 256mb than xp, propably 512 too
[12:16] <zaib> so i should upgrade my RAM
[12:17] <zaib> what will u choose XP or XUBUNTU
[12:17] <zaib> ok i m going bye
[12:18] <TheSheep> considering how my last windows was win95 and I'm pretty much lost in modern windows, I'd choose any linux distro
[12:18] <Sysi> i can use win7, but i haven't found any reason yet
[12:20] <TheSheep> I'm mostly doing development, and windows is a hostile development environment for me
[12:21] <Sysi> i'm just brosing internet and IRC, and doing schoolwork
[12:23] <Sysi> so i do not want search what antivirus would be okay, and scan from viruses and search through entire internet to get some program
[12:24] <Sysi> and xfce has very nice features
[12:33] <qu4nt> hey - downloaded xubuntu but im stuck at the login screen - how is the default login? already tried admin, user, root, nothing ..... does not work
[12:34] <Sysi> you're trying to install?
[12:35] <qu4nt> i downloaded the xubuntu image and burned it to cd, but wanted to copy some files to an usb stick before installing so tried to just boot into it from cd.
[12:36] <Sysi> tru ubuntu with empty passwd
[12:36] <qu4nt> did that
[12:36] <qu4nt> also xubuntu
[12:36] <Sysi> hmm
[12:37] <qu4nt> the image is from the mirror of the TU CHemnitz
[12:37] <qu4nt> should work imho
[12:37] <Sysi> 10.04?
[12:37] <qu4nt> yes
[12:37] <qu4nt> i386
[12:37] <Takeasy> i lost my panel in desktop
[12:37] <Sysi> !panels | Takeasy
[12:38] <Takeasy> thanks
[12:38] <Sysi> qu4nt: did you check the disc?
[12:38] <Takeasy> is it a FAQ?
[12:39] <Sysi> yeah
[12:39] <qu4nt> Sysi, what to you mean by that? it boots correctly, it just always says "Fehler bei der Authentifizierung"
[12:39] <Takeasy> recently ? or has been keep asking?
[12:42] <qu4nt> Sysi, i did not do a md5 check, could that be a cause for such an error
[12:43] <Sysi> qu4nt: there is option for checking in the first menu, you should try that
[12:43] <Sysi> just rebooting worth a try too
[12:44] <Sysi> Takeasy: i've seen it many time since 8.04 when i started using xubuntu
[12:44] <qu4nt> Sysi, ok i will try that. if it does not help, i will burn another iso from another mirror. thanks, bb
[13:45] <slow-motion> hi
[13:48] <bazhang> !hi
[13:49] <Sysi> do you have script for that hi or do you write it by hand every time? :P
[13:49] <bazhang> Sysi, its a !factoid
[13:49] <Sysi> bazhang: yeah i know
[13:50] <bazhang> ah sorry Sysi you meant slow-motion and the hi
[13:51] <Sysi> :b
[13:52] <slow-motion> hi bazhang
[13:52] <bazhang> slow-motion, hi!
[17:32] <zaib_> hi i have a old laptop http://paste.ubuntu.com/472258/ plz tell me that will lubuntu run faster xp on my laptop
[17:33] <Sysi> this channel isn't about either, lubuntu or xp
[17:33] <zaib_> but still help will be great
[17:33] <charlie-tca> Don't really know. I use Xubuntu. perhaps you could ask that in #lubuntu
[17:34] <zaib_> i have also asked on #lubuntu but no one is answering
[17:35] <charlie-tca> Hmm, I don't think Xubuntu will be able to tell you if "lubuntu" will be better for you, honestly.
[17:35] <zaib_> i have read some reviews ,saying that xubuntu is little more heavy than even ubuntu
[17:36] <charlie-tca> There will always be some bad reviews. Have you read the ones that say it is not more heavy?
[17:36] <th0r> a better idea would be to try them both and decide for yourself
[17:37] <zaib_> but honestly is xubuntu heavy than ubuntu ?
[17:37] <charlie-tca> no
[17:38] <charlie-tca> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_desktop_vitals&num=1
[17:38] <zaib_> i dont have lot of net speed (256 kb speed) to download all the distributions
[17:38] <charlie-tca> read that report. They are a trusted testing group
[17:51] <zaib_> ok i have read that report, i see not much difference in XFCE and LXDE but still noticeable difference
[17:51] <charlie-tca> okay
[17:55] <zaib_> thanks i have my answer (xp) now i wont be bothering you guys anymore :)
[17:56] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[17:56] <zaib_> THANK YOU VERY MUCH
[17:56] <zaib_> :)
[17:56] <charlie-tca> good luck
[17:57] <zaib_> ya i will need it as sometimes my cd-ROM dont work :)
[17:58] <zaib_> bye bye and thanks for ur great hospitality
[19:30] <rww> Can I set the Xfce Menu to open when I press Alt-F1, like the menus in Ubuntu and Kubuntu do?
[19:31] <charlie-tca> sure - define a shortcut in settings -> keyboard
[19:31] <rww> charlie-tca: for xfce4-popup-menu?
[19:32] <charlie-tca> for the applications menu
[19:32] <rww> thanks
[19:33] <charlie-tca> You can also get the menu in Xubuntu by right-clicking the desktop and choosing applications with the moust
[19:33] <charlie-tca> s/moust/mouse
[20:38] <malikeye|123> how does one choose the default audio device?
[20:54] <redwyrm> why does the verve command line not ever have focus, even when I click on it? (I'm running 10.4)
[22:23] <slow-motion> n8