[07:49] <sense> good morning
[07:53] <thorwil> good morning sense
[09:17] <Cimi> davidbarth: rxcating as always
[09:17] <Cimi> *exciting
[09:17] <Cimi> and today, the sun is shining incredible :)
[13:05] <mkarnicki> Hi guys! Anyone from the desing team that got my recent mail about design feedback for AndroidU1 :) ?
[13:06] <mkarnicki> I'm developing Android client for Ubuntu One file sync. I don't have Ubuntu Member status, but it would be nice if I could use official Ubuntu Font for the app header
[13:07] <mkarnicki> (Sorry for little off-topic, but I hope to find few people from the Design Team here :) )
[13:07] <vish> iainfarrell , ivanka ^^
[13:07] <mkarnicki> thanks vish :)
[13:07] <iainfarrell> hi mkarnicki
[13:07] <mkarnicki> hi iainfarrell :)
[13:08] <iainfarrell> I'm the project manager on the design team
[13:08] <mkarnicki> whoooa awesome :)
[13:08] <mkarnicki> I'm pleased to meet you here
[13:08] <iainfarrell> likewise :)
[13:08] <mkarnicki> :)
[13:08] <mkarnicki> I'm looking for some feedback/tips/help from the design team
[13:08] <iainfarrell> the font is still in beta so I can't give you the font just now unless you're a member, however it'll be going wider very soon
[13:08] <iainfarrell> as far as feedback is concerned
[13:08] <mkarnicki> I see
[13:08] <iainfarrell> we may be able to help
[13:09] <mkarnicki> (I hope to get developer status in few months hehe ;))
[13:09] <iainfarrell> but we'll need to get our hands on a spare handset :)
[13:09] <iainfarrell> is it on the marketplace yet?
[13:09] <mkarnicki> right ^ ^ that would be indeed useful
[13:09] <mkarnicki> no, but I can direct you to the .apk and current screenshots/source
[13:09] <iainfarrell> or can we run on a vm of some sort?
[13:09] <iainfarrell> ahh ok
[13:09] <iainfarrell> that would be handy
[13:09] <mkarnicki> iainfarrell: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AndroidU1
[13:09] <iainfarrell> :)
[13:09] <mkarnicki> iainfarrell: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AndroidU1/screenshots
[13:10] <mkarnicki> iainfarrell: and yes, you could run it in an emulator, but I would need to help one of you just a bit to set things up
[13:10] <iainfarrell> ok
[13:10] <iainfarrell> well let me talk to the U1 guys here
[13:10] <iainfarrell> in the meantime
[13:10] <mkarnicki> sure :) that'd be great
[13:10] <iainfarrell> if you give me your e-mail address
[13:10] <iainfarrell> I can see if I can get someone to get in touch with you
[13:11] <mkarnicki> iainfarrell: the best person to talk to is aquarius (Stuart Langridge) - he's my mentor on the project, so he's up to date with things
[13:11] <mkarnicki> iainfarrell: mkarnicki @gmail.com
[13:11] <mkarnicki> :)
[13:11] <iainfarrell> ahh cool
[13:11] <iainfarrell> I will tap him up then
[13:11] <mkarnicki> iainfarrell: that'd be great, thank you :)
[13:12] <thorwil> hi mkarnicki! just a quick note: "The application will now use the browser to securely log you in to your personal cloud storage" is in conflict with the login button. it's already-happening vs make-happen
[13:13] <thorwil> mkarnicki: it seems to me like that message does not contain information a user should care for, anyway
[13:14] <mkarnicki> thorwil: prompt feedback, thanks :) How can I improve that?
[13:14] <mkarnicki> thorwil: oh.. but the user may not expect a browser pop up
[13:14] <mkarnicki> thorwil: we'll have the new browserless API in few months, but for now, we're using OAuth (in it's real, browser-form) and it's not common for users to log in to an application via the browser
[13:15] <mkarnicki> thorwil: so I'll be happy what you think I could change :)
[13:15] <mkarnicki> *happy to hear
[13:16] <mkarnicki> PS I have to update the screenshots. I have things like 'a moment ago' / 'less then 2 days ago' instead of the dates, etc
[13:17] <thorwil> mkarnicki: right, the user may not expect a browser popup. i sure didn't looking at the screenshot
[13:18] <mkarnicki> thorwil: not your fault, sorry! there's no browser on the screenshot
[13:18] <mkarnicki> thorwil: one sec, I think I have some more
[13:18] <thorwil> mkarnicki: turn button label into "Launch browser to log into your account", perhaps
[13:19] <mkarnicki> thorwil: http://android-u1.blogspot.com/search/label/screenshots
[13:19] <mkarnicki> thorwil: I see. would 'Launch browser to log in' suffice? I wouldn't want the text on the button to be a two-liner ;)
[13:21] <thorwil> mkarnicki: if it established beforehand what this ubuntu one app is about, 'Launch browser to log in' should be fine
[13:21] <mkarnicki> thorwil: yes. perfect :)
[13:22] <thorwil> though don't be afraid of long button labels, they can be a much better solution than split explanation and labels, as that often leads to redundancy
[13:22] <mkarnicki> aha, I see
[13:22] <mkarnicki> iainfarrell: mail sent :)
[13:24] <thorwil> mkarnicki: on http://lh6.ggpht.com/_RF4X7KUEkGc/TFGqBCdgkxI/AAAAAAAAA5M/mOLbHNtBoKc/s800/0.2.13pa1-05.png does "Complete action using" help?
[13:25] <mkarnicki> thorwil: it's an Android default. to this actually users are used to. it shows up when user has possibility to
[13:25] <thorwil> mkarnicki: could you replace the generic "Action" with a specific one, for example "View"?
[13:25] <mkarnicki> thorwil: choose out of his/her apps that has installed, which one to use
[13:25] <thorwil> mkarnicki: ok, nm then
[13:26] <mkarnicki> I could substitute the whole dilog, but that would turn a one-liner into 30 lines of code perhaps, and here it's a native Android behaviour, so I think it's along the UI guidelines for Android here.
[13:26] <mkarnicki> thorwil: but keep on going, I'm happy to hear constructive critique :)
[13:27] <thorwil> mkarnicki: consider to replace "Downloading" notifications with something you can put right next or below item titles
[13:27] <mkarnicki> thorwil: sorry, I will update that screen ^ ^ It's under the item currently :)
[13:28] <mkarnicki> thorwil: good catch though!
[13:28] <thorwil> heh
[13:28] <mkarnicki> I think I should update them now :D
[13:28]  * mkarnicki heads to update the screens
[13:53] <mkarnicki> thorwil: sorry I had my screens not updated, it's a one man project and it's hard to keep up with everything :( I'm making them right now. Plus, I think I did find a way to change the 'Complete action using' like u suggested, so I'm fixing that, too.
[13:53] <thorwil> mkarnicki: no worries
[14:50] <dieki> There hasn't been any implementation work on Windicators yet, and feature freeze is almost here; have they been postponed to Maverick+1?
[15:50] <dieki> There hasn't been any implementation work on Windicators yet, and feature
[15:50] <dieki> +freeze is almost here; have they been postponed to Maverick+1?
[15:51] <vish> dieki: has there been a plan to implement it for Maverick?
[15:53] <dieki> vish: Mark's blog post said it was intended for Maverick.
[15:53] <dieki> vish: But there never was a blueprint, AFAIK.
[15:55] <dieki> vish: So it is not happening for Maverick?
[15:56] <vish> dieki: afaik , nothing solid is being planned for maverick , but i dont work in the top secret Canonical Labs , so you never know ;)
[15:57] <dieki> vish: Alright, thanks. :)