[00:12] <JontheEchidna> revu pl0x: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/libdebconf-kde
[00:14] <Riddell> didn't dantti just say he was going to rename it?
[00:16] <JontheEchidna> doh
[00:16] <rbelem> ScottK, i just finished the update of plasma-mobile. Should I file a bug? :-)
[00:17] <ScottK> rbelem: Yes.  Please provide your diff.gz and which svn revision you used.
[00:17] <rbelem> cool
[00:19] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: until it actually does get renamed the packaging should remain -kde
[00:19] <JontheEchidna> and since we're running a bit tight against feature freeze...
[00:20] <JontheEchidna> I think it'd be best to get it in now under its current name, unless the rename is happening within the next 10 days
[00:20] <JontheEchidna> dantti: ^ any thoughts?
[00:21] <dantti> JontheEchidna: I'm trying to rename it now my first problem is the forward arrow icon
[00:30] <jjesse-netbook> just updated my maverick build today and getting plasma-netbook crashes each time it launches, do i need debug packages to report bugs?
[00:32] <ScottK> jjesse-netbook: Yes, but depending on when you updated, you may have a mix of 4.5.0 and RC packages, I'd suggest wait until 4.5.0 is built and see if it's better.
[00:32] <ScottK> The only reliable plasma crash I'm having with it seems to be related to the network management plasmoid acessing kwallet.
[00:33] <jjesse-netbook> so update either late tonight and see if it works?
[00:36] <maxwellian> If I want to submit patches for something, I have to be running the latest development version, IIUC.  If I do this with a chroot, are there issues with running graphical programs?
[00:36] <maxwellian> I'd rather use a VM, but my laptop is a hardware fail.  Even the chroot will require an external drive.
[00:43] <yofel> hm, how is kde supposed to handle hidden menu entries? it seems like they don't appear neither in the menu nor in the menu editor *until* i un-hide them in alacarte, after that I can hide them in alacarte but they will stay visible in kde 
[00:45] <ScottK> jjesse-netbook: Probably tomorrow.
[00:46] <ScottK> maxwellian: It depends.  If the code is very similar in an earlier release, it's not 100% required.
[00:47] <maxwellian> ScottK: Won't the debdiff be off?
[00:47] <ScottK> maxwellian: You can create a patch with the newer code even if you can't run it.
[00:48] <ScottK> Just forward port the patch.
[00:48] <ScottK> Sometimes this is sufficient.
[00:48] <ScottK> Other times, not.
[00:49] <Riddell> yofel: that sounds buggy
[00:50] <yofel> Riddell: how is it supposed to work?
[00:51] <ScottK> Beautifully.
[00:54] <Riddell> yofel: dunno never used it
[01:04] <ScottK> Tm_T: If/When your pbuilder creation finishes, would you please do pbuilder-dist maverick login, apt-get install libmagickcore-dev, and then pastebin me the konsole output?
[01:05] <Quintasan> Riddell: gah, I did not
[01:05] <Quintasan> my connection was disconnecting me at random
[01:06] <Quintasan> Riddell: can I do this tomorrow or I shall do it now?
[01:06] <ScottK> Five FTBFS fixes from Quintasan as penance.  See http://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu_ftbfs.cgi for choices.
[01:06] <Quintasan> :<
[01:07] <Riddell> Quintasan: do what?
[01:07] <Quintasan> ScottK: It's not my fault that my ISP is the biggest troll in Poland
[01:07] <Quintasan> Riddell: add that kopete patch
[01:07] <Riddell> Quintasan: depends if you want it in alpha 3 or no
[01:08] <Quintasan> Riddell: well, it would be nice to get that fixed
[01:16] <Quintasan> Riddell: pushed
[01:20] <Quintasan> Riddell: can you tell me if presssing shit+backspaces does anything on your box?
[01:21] <Riddell> just a normal backspace
[01:21] <Quintasan> hmm
[01:21] <Quintasan> strange
[01:21] <Quintasan> it restarts X here
[01:23] <Riddell> that doesn't sound right
[01:24] <Quintasan> Riddell: are we in a hurry with lucid backports?
[01:25]  * Quintasan would like to get some sleep before (finally) poking the packaging
[01:26] <Riddell> go sleep, we have all of tomorrow
[01:26] <Quintasan> fine
[01:26] <Quintasan> Good night then.
[01:28]  * rbelem is pbuilder-dist maverick updating...
[01:28] <rbelem> it is taking so long :-(
[01:34] <rbelem> ScottK, i filled the bug and attached the .diff.gz https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-mobile/+bug/612780
[01:35] <rbelem> ScottK, i tested build it in my machine, but i did not yet in pbuilder. it is taking too long to update
[01:38] <Riddell> dantti: what do I do here? http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/VudGc8Pw
[01:40] <Riddell> we have about 200 new members of ~kubuntu-users today, quite a gain :)
[01:52] <dantti> nice
[01:52] <dantti> Riddell: hmm i thought you just fdrop that on the build system and it builds but if you need the flags i can give you 
[01:53] <dantti> Riddell: the instrospections is glib gobject package
[02:19] <rbelem> plasma-mobile build finished :-)
[02:19] <rbelem> ScottK, Riddell, do we still have time to upload it?
[03:27] <Tm_T> ScottK: sufficient information?   libmagickcore-dev : Depends: libmagickcore3-extra (= 7:6.6.2.6-1) but it is not going to be installed   Depends: libwmf-dev but it is not going to be installed
[04:24] <ScottK> Tm_T: Thanks.
[04:24] <ScottK> Progress.
[04:27] <Tm_T> ScottK: with pbuilder, should I run apt-get update inside of chroot periodically or does it handle such things itself someway?
[04:27] <ScottK> It does not handle it itself.
[04:27] <Tm_T> thanks
[04:28] <ScottK> If you are logged in then you'd need to apt-get update, but that won't be saved after you logout.
[04:28] <ScottK> To update the saved chroot, you'd do pbuilder-dist maverick update
[04:28] <Tm_T> right, apt-get update is sufficient for testing inside session then
[04:29] <ScottK> yes.
[04:29] <ScottK> Looks like that was the clue I needed though.
[04:29] <Tm_T> (:
[04:29] <Tm_T> poke when you need more help with testing
[04:34] <ScottK> Tm_T: Will do.  Thanks.
[04:35] <Tm_T> glad to be of any helå
[04:35] <Tm_T> help (:)
[04:35] <ScottK> ;-)
[09:45] <Quintasan> Uploading kdebase-runtime
[09:46] <Quintasan> for Lucid ofc
[09:49] <Riddell> lovely
[10:30] <debfx> the restricted package install dialog contains an item called "Video Codecs" which sounds like I need this to play videos
[10:30] <debfx> but it installs libavcodec-unstripped-52 which is only necessary for encoding videos
[10:35] <apachelogger> I have returned
[10:36] <debfx> I think "Video Encoding" would be a better name
[10:36] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: apt->aptcc for mav? how do we do that anyway?
[10:40] <Riddell> debfx: yes, it should also be changed to libavcodec-extra-52
[10:43] <Quintasan> apachelogger: are you planning on upgrading the list-missing hook and doing the batscripts once again?
[10:43] <apachelogger> yes
[10:43] <Quintasan> great
[10:43] <debfx> Riddell: that has already been fixed in bzr
[10:44] <Quintasan> Riddell: kdebase uploaded
[10:44] <Riddell> debfx: more importantly rekonq needs a patch to call the installer for flash
[10:44] <Riddell> Quintasan: you're on a roll!
[10:45] <Quintasan> well, I was planning on doing that like this since yesterday but my ISP is major troll
[10:45] <Quintasan> I wonder when they will regulate this whole internet mess here
[10:49] <apachelogger> hm
[10:49] <apachelogger> somehow u1 seems a bit bugged in maverick
[10:49] <apachelogger> or it just doesnt want me to share stuff with myself ^^
[10:55] <debfx> Riddell: right, I'll have a look into that
[10:56] <Riddell> debfx: ooh thanks.  it's probably not hard, arora and konqueror already have ones that can be adapted
[11:00] <Quintasan> Riddell: hngh,
[11:00] <Quintasan> libqtwebkit4: Breaks: libqt4-webkit (< 4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu2) but 4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa3 is to be installed.
[11:00] <Quintasan> I thought we fixed this
[11:01] <Riddell> seems like another issue
[11:01] <Quintasan> oh
[11:01] <Quintasan> I'll fix it then
[11:03] <Riddell> Quintasan: why is libqt4-webkit being installed?
[11:03] <Riddell> that package is obsolete
[11:04] <Riddell> although it should still be installable
[11:04] <Quintasan> Riddell: it seems that it is being pulled by libqtwebkit-dev
[11:05] <Riddell> Package: libqtwebkit4   Breaks: libqt4-webkit (<< 4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu2)   hmm that version probably needs changed
[11:06] <Quintasan> Shouldn't that land in replaces?
[11:06] <Quintasan> wait
[11:06] <Quintasan> it is there
[11:07] <apachelogger> hmmm
[11:08] <apachelogger> problem!
[11:08] <Riddell> 4.5.0 almost built in mavierck, just kdebase, kdeutils and kdeplasma-addons to go
[11:08] <shadeslayer> \o/
[11:08] <Quintasan> 4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa3 is newer that 4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu1 ?
[11:10] <Quintasan> apachelogger: ^^
[11:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: in the sharedialog I am going to offer the user a choice when he selects a non-sycned directory to sync it so it can be shared, I am only doing this at the very end though (so that the user has chance to change his mind) ... now the problem is that if I tell the syncdaemon to add a new directory it will only shoot an async dbus signal when done, which means I need to block the function that is responsible for sharing until either
[11:10] <apachelogger>  the signal arrives or a timeout is met ... but how to do this?
[11:10] <apachelogger> mutex?
[11:10] <apachelogger> Quintasan: no
[11:10] <Quintasan> hmm
[11:11] <Quintasan> Breaks: libqt4-webkit (<< 4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu1)
[11:11] <apachelogger> me@osiris:~$ dpkg --compare-versions 4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa3 gt 4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu1; echo $?
[11:11] <apachelogger> 1
[11:11] <Quintasan> so it is
[11:11] <Quintasan> :P
[11:12] <apachelogger> there is no such thing as newer anyway :P
[11:12] <Quintasan> man, complain all you want
[11:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: so you need to tell it to sync, then wait, then tell it to share?
[11:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: yep
[11:13] <Quintasan> I just wanted to know if it possbile to upadte the versions or remove the breakes althogether
[11:13] <apachelogger> well, I could try it without waiting but I am somewhat certain that the syncdaemon will not be able to handle the requests appropriate
[11:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: new upstream tarball for pim ? 0_o
[11:13] <Riddell> easy answer surely is   while (waiting) processEvents();   
[11:13] <Riddell> not very elegant of course
[11:14] <apachelogger> cheers :)
[11:14] <apachelogger> that part of the code is somewhat ugly anyway ;)
[11:14] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/472595/ ^^
[11:27] <shadeslayer> any idea which package provides http://pastebin.com/vjsqdLCF
[11:31] <jussi> !find liboxygenstyle.so
[11:31] <jussi> hrm
[11:32] <jussi> !find liboxygenstyle
[11:33] <jussi> !find liboxygenstyle maverick
[11:33] <jussi> shadeslayer: ^
[11:33] <shadeslayer> aha!
[11:33] <shadeslayer> see i was searching p.u.c with lucid
[11:34]  * jussi hugs the bot
[11:34] <shadeslayer> ubottu >>> p.u.c
[11:34] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[11:34] <jussi> hehe
[11:34] <shadeslayer> you dont need too :P
[11:34] <jussi> shadeslayer: apt-file is what its using, so if youve got maverick, you may want to install it
[11:35] <shadeslayer> jussi: ill do that tomorrow .. apt-file takes alot of time to refresh the db
[11:35] <jussi> yeah
[11:35] <shadeslayer> ill suck up the entire college bandwidth 
[11:35] <shadeslayer> muwhahahaha
[11:35] <apachelogger> :O
[11:35] <jussi> shadeslayer: it doesnt take _that_ much
[11:36] <shadeslayer> yes but still
[11:36] <shadeslayer> i like to suck up the entire bandwidth :D
[11:36] <shadeslayer> Need to get 253MB of archives. << same goes  for that upgrade too
[11:37] <apachelogger> weird things are going on again
[11:37] <jussi> apachelogger: whats up?
[11:39] <apachelogger> things return stupid values
[11:39] <apachelogger> aha!
[11:40] <apachelogger> there we go
[11:40] <apachelogger> oh
[11:40] <apachelogger> the sun is beginning to shine
[11:40] <apachelogger> ah, if I look outside one window I see most unsettling clouds and when looking out the other I see a deep blue sky
[11:42] <jussi> apachelogger: :D
[11:42] <apachelogger> talking about clouds
[11:43] <apachelogger> evil ubuntuone does not do sensible things
[11:45] <jussi> hehe, sensible in who's definition?
[11:46] <apachelogger> mine
[11:46] <apachelogger> anyone's
[11:46] <apachelogger> what is the point of having a local syncdaemon if almost every action will be dependent on the flipping server anyway
[11:46]  * jussi huggles apachelogger
[11:47]  * apachelogger rehuggles jussi with grumpy face
[11:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: so it seems syncdaemon will only yield success once it has _sycned_ the stuff which could take quite a while, so the question is should the user get informed about this (endless progressbar) or just leave it alone and hope that at some point the syncdaemon will have processed both the adding and the sharing (and hopefully in that particular order)?
[11:51] <Riddell> apachelogger: maybe the user should only be informed if it fails?
[11:51]  * apachelogger thinks that maybe at some later point one could hook up the statusnotifier with that sort of thing and shoot knotifications
[11:52] <asac> ScottK: so kubuntu-mobile in archive is kinda empty ;) ... is the seed not populated etc.? or what is missing?
[11:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: IMHO that should be done via the statusnotifier though
[11:52] <apachelogger> otherwise ubuntuone-share would be running all that time
[11:52] <asac> (asking because that item is marked as done)
[11:52] <apachelogger> + it would not work in case it takes longer than the user session lasts
[11:53] <apachelogger> (although then the question is if the syncdaemon even queues beyond its own life time which it totally should)
[11:54] <Riddell> asac: probably means someone messes up the delicate process to update kubuntu-meta
[11:54] <asac> lol
[11:54]  * apachelogger gets all annoyed from the lack of documentation in ubuntuone
[11:54] <asac> Riddell: can we check whats up there? ;)
[11:54] <asac> Riddell: anything i can do to help?
[11:57] <Riddell> asac: let me look
[11:58] <apachelogger> I think my u1 is broken -.-
[11:58] <apachelogger> doesnt do anything
[11:59] <apachelogger> great
[12:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: apparently sharing will fail until the folder is synced
[12:00] <apachelogger> so the only option is blocking
[12:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://imagebin.ca/view/ICMI9P.html
[12:04] <apachelogger> IMHO the only really good approach right now: warn the user about the length of the operation
[12:06] <Riddell> apachelogger: Yes and no button text should be replaced with something meaningful for users who don't read the dialogue
[12:06] <apachelogger> ^^
[12:06] <apachelogger> oh
[12:06] <apachelogger> uh
[12:06] <apachelogger> bug!
[12:06] <apachelogger> omg
[12:07] <shadeslayer> Riddell: haha.. we added ~200 users to kubuntu-users after your mail
[12:08] <shadeslayer> + to kubuntu-users ML
[12:10] <Riddell> and not one comment on the list yet
[12:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://imagebin.ca/view/M992Dd.html better?
[12:11] <Riddell> much :)
[12:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: lose the last fullstop
[12:11] <Riddell> apachelogger: oh also directory -> folder  I'm afraid
[12:12] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what do you have against punctuation? :P
[12:13] <shadeslayer> i dont like the . before a bracket :P
[12:13] <apachelogger> fixed up
[12:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: well it is a sentence in a bracket
[12:14] <Riddell> yes it's correct to have that full stop there
[12:14] <shadeslayer> Riddell: wheres agateau ?
[12:14] <shadeslayer> havent seen him in a while
[12:15] <Quintasan> oh great
[12:15] <Quintasan> disconnects at random
[12:17] <Riddell> shadeslayer: he's on the channel hiding over there behind a week's worth of e-mail backlog
[12:17] <shadeslayer> :P
[12:22] <CIA-98> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100803112125-dvn0g24dnltlmkoa * src/share/ (ShareDialog.cpp ShareDialog.h) support adding not-yet-synced-folders in a sort of horrible manner but nonetheless
[12:22] <CIA-98> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100803112212-qb2uiwjjhiegukpe * src/share/ShareDialog.cpp debug--
[12:22] <CIA-98> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100803112227-p6zqmld8sqkabm37 * src/kcmodule/GeneralModule.cpp include cleanup
[12:24] <CIA-98> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100803112401-q02la36eh5pb0p00 * src/kcmodule/GeneralModule.h rename include guard
[12:25] <apachelogger> hm
[12:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think statusnotifier is done
[12:25] <apachelogger> so is KCM once I come up with a gui layout for the shares management
[12:26] <apachelogger> (well, and the general tab could use some layout too ^^)
[12:26]  * apachelogger feels blocked by upstream now :S
[12:43] <Mamarok> is it known that it is impossible to do settings in k3b? (KDE 4.4.92)
[12:43] <Mamarok> I get a silent crash everytime I try, Dr. Konqi never pops up
[12:43] <Mamarok> konsole output is moaning about ibus
[12:44] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: yep
[12:45] <shadeslayer> bug with kdelibs
[12:45] <Mamarok> hopefull solved in final then
[12:45] <Mamarok> y
[12:45] <shadeslayer> nope :(
[12:45] <Mamarok> oh crap
[12:45] <Mamarok> so no way to use k3b correctly in 4.5? oh my
[12:46] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=238819
[12:46] <Mamarok> let's confirm that, then
[12:48] <shadeslayer> lp bug 596926 and kde bug 242398
[12:49] <Riddell> asac (ScottK): kubuntu-meta uploaded with fixed kubuntu-mobile
[12:49] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: we should poke k3b guys at #k3b about it
[12:53] <shadeslayer> kde 4.5 unpacking \o/
[12:54] <agateau> shadeslayer: I'm there
[12:54] <shadeslayer> agateau: \o
[12:55] <shadeslayer> well.. its just that Riddell posted pics of you in the water :P
[12:55] <shadeslayer> scary 
[12:56] <agateau> shadeslayer: I somehow survived :)
[12:56] <shadeslayer> :P
[12:56] <agateau> ended up in Brittany, not sure how it happened
[12:56] <agateau> stayed for the week there
[12:57] <shadeslayer> hehe :)
[12:57] <Riddell> that canoe carried you out to sea and all the way to Brittany? quite a journey
[13:00] <shadeslayer> interesting way to travell 
[13:00] <Riddell> dantti: don't suppose you know why I'd be getting this compile error? 
[13:00] <shadeslayer> *travel
[13:00] <Riddell> dantti: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/aFLBiArZ
[13:02] <asac> Riddell: thanks!
[13:06] <Riddell> just kdeutils amd64 waiting on kdebase getting published now in mavierick
[13:18] <shadeslayer> KDE Development Platform: 4.5.00 (KDE 4.5.0) \o/
[13:18] <shadeslayer> perfect upgrade
[13:21] <shadeslayer> nice.. ppa builders have 20 i386 builders
[13:23] <shadeslayer> although now this doesnt seem right : http://pastebin.com/UmWdsBZV
[13:24] <ScottK> Riddell: Cool.  FYI, 4.5.0 on i386 finished building a bit ago.  You should have a complete package set in the archive in ~20 minutes.
[13:24] <shadeslayer> ScottK: awesome
[13:25] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you let asac know kubuntu-mobile was fixed.
[13:25] <ScottK> shadeslayer: amd64 isn't far behind.
[13:25] <shadeslayer> i already upgraded :P
[13:25] <Riddell> ScottK: I did
[13:25] <shadeslayer> some of the packages are broken tho.. ill upgrade again in 3 hours
[13:25] <ScottK> Great.
[13:27] <Riddell> dantti: I think rerunning autogen fixed it, uploading again, crossing fingers
[13:27] <ScottK> Riddell: virtuoso-opensource on i386 needs some Newing.  I know you'll get to it sometime today.  I mention it since it'll affect images built before that.
[13:28] <Riddell> ScottK: accepted
[13:28] <ScottK> Nice.
[13:31] <debfx> we show the restricted install dialog even when the requested package is installed (but not the others)
[13:34] <debfx> that's annoying and makes people click on the "never show again" button
[13:34] <debfx> also I think it's better to only select the requested package by default
[13:35] <debfx> to make it clear what enhances the application
[14:19] <debfx> Riddell: rekonq with the restricted install patch: http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/rekonq_0.5.0-1ubuntu6.debdiff
[14:24] <Quintasan> hmmm
[14:25] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I think I have two options now. remove Breaks on qtwebkit-source or bump the version of package
[14:27] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: is kdebindings done?
[14:27] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: now
[14:27] <Quintasan> no*
[14:27] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Breaks: libqt4-webkit (<< 4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu2)
[14:27] <shadeslayer> :S
[14:28] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: efficiently breaks kdebindings build
[14:28] <Quintasan> well
[14:28] <Quintasan> uploading bumped version
[14:28] <Quintasan> I wonder if it will work now
[14:31] <ScottK> Riddell (and shadeslayer): amd64 is fully built now too.  Should have the last packages in the archive in ~75 minutes.
[14:31] <shadeslayer> \o/
[14:33] <debfx> Quintasan: libqt4-webkit is in qt4-x11
[14:34] <debfx> now the lucid qtwebkit version is greater than maverick
[14:35] <shadeslayer> debfx: :O
[14:36] <Quintasan> debfx: but the conflict is in qtwebkit-source
[14:36] <Quintasan> argh
[14:37] <debfx> the qt version needs to be bumped
[14:37] <Quintasan> So we are using Qt's version now? >_<
[14:38] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: god damn, what the heck qtwebkit-source is then?
[14:38] <debfx> libqt4-webkit is a transitional package in qt4-x11
[14:38] <Quintasan> So I need to bump in to 4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu2~lucid1~ppa1?
[14:39] <Quintasan> oh wait
[14:39] <Quintasan> 3 rather
[14:39] <Quintasan> argh
[14:40] <Quintasan> I can't get it straight
[14:40] <debfx> yes, 3
[14:40] <Quintasan> great
[14:42] <debfx> we really should add an "~" at the end of those package relationships for backportability
[14:42] <Quintasan> what that would change?
[14:42]  * Quintasan fails to understand the versioning
[14:43] <Quintasan> 0ubuntu1 is actually newer than 0ubuntu1~ppa1 right?
[14:43] <debfx> yes
[14:43] <Quintasan> oh great
[14:43] <debfx> ~ decreases the version
[14:43] <Quintasan> now it makes sense to me
[14:44] <Quintasan> and 0ubuntu1+git666 would be greater?
[14:45] <debfx> yeah, every character except ~ increases the version
[14:57] <dantti> Riddell: did it work?
[14:57] <dantti> i guess trying again might work..
[14:57] <Riddell> dantti: yes it's compiled
[14:57] <Riddell> and I moved aptcc backend to main so it should go on the CD
[14:58] <Riddell> just waiting for it to get published in the archive then I'll do CD builds
[14:58] <dantti> cool, kpk got buttons on the install list, almost finised now
[14:58] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: change the depends to packagekit-backend-aptcc | packagekit-backend-apt | packagekit-backend-smart, then change the default as set in debian/rules
[14:59] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: what what?
[14:59] <JontheEchidna> [05:36:24] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: apt->aptcc for mav? how do we do that anyway?
[14:59] <JontheEchidna> reading backlog now ;)
[14:59] <JontheEchidna> ...though I can see that you've probably already done something to that affect
[15:00] <Riddell> yes
[15:01] <Riddell> I ended up putting /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20packagekit into the packagekit .deb rather than either/both of the backend .debs which is the best I could think of
[15:01] <dantti> Riddell: yup better
[15:01] <Riddell> I got an error when removing packagekit though after it tried to run that, couldn't recreate next time I tried though
[15:02] <dantti> Riddell: maybe it conflicted with the old version?
[15:02] <Riddell> dantti: not a conflict, I apt-get remove packagekit and apt tried to run 20packagekit after packagekit was removed and failed
[15:03] <dantti> hmm weird maybe it had a 'cache' of what to run and when you deleted it it failed
[15:04] <Riddell> well /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20packagekit is a conf file so it doesn't get removed unless you purge it I guess
[15:05] <Riddell> Quintasan: you're doing kdebindings for lucid?  are you looking at python-qt4 too?
[15:07] <dantti> hmm right, then I dunno ... do you remember which error?
[15:09] <Riddell> dantti: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/HCCRyfQn
[15:10] <Quintasan> Riddell: well, I just downgraded it, anything has to be done with it?
[15:10] <Riddell> Quintasan: downgraded it?
[15:11] <Quintasan> the version in controls in kdebindings I mean
[15:11]  * Quintasan tends to assume everyone follows his thinking process
[15:11] <Riddell> actually it doesn't seem to be a problem with python-qt4, it's qtwebkit still     libqt4-webkit: Depends: libqtwebkit4 (>= 2.0~) but it is not going to be installed
[15:11] <Quintasan> humm
[15:12] <Riddell> which is weird since I have libqtwebkit4 2.0~week27-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa2 and that is >= 2.0~
[15:13] <dantti> Riddell: hmm I know what happened :/
[15:13] <dantti> the first problem is that script never worked
[15:13] <dantti> and now that it worked we found bugs :P
[15:13] <dantti> *works
[15:13] <dantti> the problem here is that when you remove packagekit the .service file that provides PackageKit was removed
[15:14] <dantti> you should see this error in every cache change now
[15:15] <Riddell> I do
[15:16] <dantti> we could add a test to see if the packagekit service file is there before DBus send
[15:16] <Riddell> Quintasan: can you install libqt4-webkit ?
[15:16] <dantti> what the script man apachelogger thinks?
[15:16] <Riddell> that makes sense to me
[15:17] <dantti> the only problem is that this might break in future if the .service file goes to another dir
[15:17] <dantti> but seens to be unlikely
[15:20] <dantti> Riddell: add test -e /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.freedesktop.PackageKit.service &&  before the first test on both lines this probably will fix this
[15:20] <dantti> not sure it's the best solution but should do
[15:21] <dantti> no it does not fix :/ 
[15:24] <debfx> Riddell: another ftbfs fix: http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/kdevelop_4.0.1-1ubuntu2.debdiff
[15:28] <stalcup> any volunteers to teach a one hour class in thursday about packaging?
[15:28] <dantti> Riddell: not the "best" solution but at least the error is ignored http://pastebin.com/Yg81JKwH
[15:28] <stalcup> well, on thursday IN October
[15:28] <stalcup> and they would be thursdays in general in october
[15:29] <stalcup> gain fame, fourtunes, and free cars
[15:29] <Riddell> debfx: you think that's what's up with kdevelop?
[15:30] <Riddell> stalcup: I hear shadeslayer is very good at that
[15:30] <stalcup> excellent
[15:30] <shadeslayer> whut? :)
[15:30] <stalcup> shadeslayer: let me know which thursday (i'll second if needed)
[15:30] <shadeslayer> this thursday? :D
[15:30] <stalcup> no, in October
[15:30] <shadeslayer> stalcup: ok ill check one sec
[15:30] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[15:30] <stalcup> Cool
[15:31] <shadeslayer> stalcup: first 2 weeks of october seem fine
[15:31] <shadeslayer> after that i have my minors 
[15:31] <stalcup> ok, how about the first thursday?
[15:31] <shadeslayer> fine with me
[15:32] <stalcup> thanks so much!
[15:33] <shadeslayer> no problem :)
[15:33]  * stalcup dashes off to find others
[15:34] <shadeslayer> heheh : http://pastebin.com/XNdUAGuD
[15:35] <dantti> Riddell: about libdebconf, i could not load the standard icons with pure Qt, so at least for maverick I think it can go -kde
[15:35] <shadeslayer> should i.. shouldnt i?
[15:39] <Riddell> dantti: no name change then, that's easier :)
[15:45] <shadeslayer> stalcup: this is for... ?
[15:46] <shadeslayer> like ubuntu dev week or something?
[15:48] <debfx> Riddell: yes, we fixed it that way before, the change must have got lost
[15:52] <sheytan> Riddell Hey, are those lucid packages ready for testing? ;)
[15:53] <shadeslayer> sheytan: not right now :P
[15:53] <shadeslayer> see Quintasan is still fixing bindings
[15:53] <shadeslayer> or maybe he has
[15:54] <sheytan> shadeslayer ping me when they're done. Then i test them ;)
[15:54] <shadeslayer> :D
[15:54] <shadeslayer> awesome :P
[15:55] <Riddell> I'm mystified by the inability to install libqt-webkit4 in lucid
[15:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer: do you have lucid with ninjas PPA around?  can you install libqt4-webkit ?
[15:55] <shadeslayer> im all maverick here :(
[15:56] <shadeslayer> although i backported the package
[15:56] <shadeslayer> and then debfx did something i think
[15:57] <shadeslayer> not debf x .. its Quintasan :P
[15:57] <Riddell> debfx: kdevelop and rekonq uploaded, thanks
[15:57] <debfx> Quintasan: why did you revert my changes to qt4-x11?
[15:58] <Riddell> debfx: what change is that?
[15:58] <debfx> Riddell: adding the libqt4-webkit transitional package
[15:58] <debfx> basically backportings parts of -ubuntu2
[15:59] <debfx> we need that, otherwise we end up with no libqt4-webkit at all
[16:00] <Riddell> he uploaded "Bumping to fix the kdebindings Lucid backport" a wee while ago
[16:01] <Riddell> not sure what was actually bumped
[16:01] <debfx> the version
[16:04] <Riddell> hum, I am confused
[16:04] <debfx> Riddell: it wasn't just bumping though: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+files/qt4-x11_4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa3_4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu3~lucid1~ppa1.diff.gz
[16:04] <debfx> i'll upload a new version with my changes
[16:06] <Riddell> thanks debfx 
[16:07] <dantti> Riddell: did my change to 20packagekit work? if so I'll push into packagekit
[16:07] <Riddell> dantti: one minute
[16:07] <Riddell> looks like we're ready to build alpha 3 CDs
[16:11] <ScottK> Riddell: In other news, I'm making progress on kolab server stuff.  I hope someone handles the client stuff.
[16:11] <Riddell> ScottK: the 3.5 client stuff you mean?
[16:11] <Riddell> dantti: yes that seems to do the job, although I'm a bit lost in the logic of it all
[16:12] <dantti> Riddell: the first test check if the packagekit .service file is there if not, it would $? != 0
[16:13] <dantti> is $? != 0 the apt will say that it exited with an error, that's why I added echo > dev/null which always return $? = 0
[16:13] <dantti> s/is/if  first one
[16:14] <Riddell> dantti: uploading patched package
[16:14] <dantti> great
[16:14] <shadeslayer> Riddell: anything you want to get across to adjam?
[16:15] <shadeslayer> im talking to him right now :D
[16:15] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I've not had any random crashes since upgrading to 4.5.0 so maybe that bug can be tentatively closed if others have the same experience
[16:15] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I have had crashes on flash though, bbc iplayer not working so well
[16:16] <shadeslayer> ok that would be a known issue with webkit + new flash
[16:16] <Riddell> shadeslayer: also a crash on filling in a form, if you fill in the same form twice you get two of those bars at the top to save the password and clicking one crashes rekonq
[16:17] <shadeslayer> ah.. i think that ones either new or a regression :P
[16:17] <shadeslayer> it was fixed i think at some point of the cycle...
[16:17] <Riddell> shadeslayer: the search engine favicons don't work (if you type a word into the urlbar it offers Engines but all have default icons not the search engine icons)
[16:17] <Riddell> shadeslayer: but most of all, the clear url button needs to make a comeback!
[16:18] <hrw> hi
[16:18] <Riddell> hi hrw 
[16:18] <hrw> does someone works on bluedevil packages?
[16:18] <shadeslayer> hrw: debian
[16:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw apturl.protocol is used without any mods by konqueror right?
[16:19] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes
[16:19] <shadeslayer> ok
[16:19] <hrw> shadeslayer: cool, any info where I can find packages or .dsc?
[16:19] <Riddell> shadeslayer: oh and if rekonq could open gzipped text files without sending them to ark I'd be very happy, e.g. build logs https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdetoys/4:4.5.0-0ubuntu1/+build/1900840/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-amd64.kdetoys_4:4.5.0-0ubuntu1_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz
[16:20] <shadeslayer> :D
[16:20] <shadeslayer> ill ask but i think well need to add a special user case for this
[16:21] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes.
[16:41] <shadeslayer> hrw: can you wait some?
[16:41] <shadeslayer> :)
[16:44] <hrw> shadeslayer: of course ;D
[16:44] <hrw> shadeslayer: so far all my BT devices got paired with help of blueman
[16:44] <shadeslayer> :D
[16:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell: follow up from talks with adjam :P
[16:51] <shadeslayer> 1)ill try to fix favi icon problem
[16:51] <shadeslayer> 2) regarding form crash, its been fixed but the 2 password save dialogs are yet to be fixed
[16:52] <shadeslayer> 3) the build log issue is a problem with kde and not rekonq.. so kde needs to implement that functionality 
[16:52] <shadeslayer> hrw: come to #debian-qt-kde on OFTC
[16:52] <shadeslayer> gkiagia is packaging bluedevil there
[16:52] <agateau> stayed for the week there
[16:54] <agateau> urg, wrong window, ignore me
[16:54] <shadeslayer> agateau: hehe.. you and your canoe :P
[16:55] <agateau> :)
[16:55] <shadeslayer> going to UDS this time?
[16:59] <ScottK> Riddell: I think there was a Thunderbird extension we wanted too.
[17:02] <Riddell> ah, the packagekit problem broke the livefs builds
[17:03] <Riddell> guess we need to wait the 40 minutes for the fix to be published
[17:04] <Riddell> thanks for the rekonq info shadeslayer 
[17:04] <shadeslayer> :)
[17:05] <shadeslayer> Riddell: now plasma people have caught me :P
[17:12] <apachelogger> woah
[17:13] <apachelogger> html plunder mail asking me to take part in a survey \o/
[17:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah i got that too
[17:19] <shadeslayer> i opened it.. and it is a survey :P
[17:20] <apachelogger> a bad one IMHO
[17:20] <apachelogger> 7. How many lines of codes have you contributed to the project ? (could be roughly)
[17:20] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[17:20] <apachelogger> that is about as much a value to go by as how often someone needs to cry
[17:21] <apachelogger> well, supposedly crying is more an indication of something than SLOC
[17:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: grab info from ohloh? and claim all SLOC belong to apachelogger :P
[17:21] <apachelogger> did I mention that ohloh is the broken for launchpad?
[17:21] <apachelogger> like really badly
[17:25] <Riddell> anyone tried oxygen-molecule GTK theme?  it just entered the archive
[17:26] <shadeslayer> right now im fighting with dolphin
[17:26] <shadeslayer> something happened and now it doesnt display folders :P
[17:28] <rgreening> Riddell: ev just did a release for usb-creator-kde
[17:32] <shadeslayer> whats the use of the NEW queue btw>
[17:32] <shadeslayer> s/use/purpose 
[17:35] <Riddell> rgreening: oh good, I wonder if that'll make it in time for the CDs
[17:49] <CIA-98> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100803164944-kfaox6g86laqhuer * src/kcmodule/ (ShareModule.cpp ShareModule.h) template sharemodule
[17:50] <CIA-98> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100803165001-he2lentkjcl1rl0t * src/kcmodule/ (main.cpp CMakeLists.txt GeneralModule.cpp) move factory creation from generalmodule to main.cpp
[17:50] <Riddell> shadeslayer: the main purpose is licence review, it's a check by an experienced person that the package is redistributable and we won't get sued later
[17:51] <Riddell> the other important purposes are namespace checking (ensuring packages have sensible names)
[17:51] <Riddell> and sanity checking, making sure packages don't put files in /foo or don't contain obvious problematic code
[17:51] <Riddell> ...like ubuntu tweak
[17:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: last I checked molecule was a (somewhat incomplete) set of pre-pixmapped images that then get stitched onto gtk
[17:56] <apachelogger> which of course raises accessibility issues since the pixmaps are with standard colors and I doubt this can be changed anyhow
[17:56] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes that doesn't seem to have changed
[17:57] <apachelogger> also since it is pixmapped it is bound to be behind the actual oxygen release and thus will at least with the next KDE release alianate GTK apps again :S
[17:57] <shadeslayer> something is wrong with my install :(
[17:57] <apachelogger> despite them looking alien anyway because GTK just cannot do what Qt can ;)
[17:57] <shadeslayer> dolphin doesnt show anything :(
[17:57] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: again? :O
[17:57] <apachelogger> you break your systme more often than Quintasan his
[17:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: again? it wasnt fixed :(
[17:58] <apachelogger> oh dear oh dear
[17:58] <shadeslayer> rm -rf .kde is the only way i think
[17:58] <shadeslayer> lets see
[17:58] <shadeslayer> brb ... 
[17:59]  * apachelogger wonders creating a sharemodel for ubuntu one shares because he just cant stop thinking of different ways to use that stuff
[18:00]  * apachelogger notes that kinfocenter is a good source for layout inspiration for no-edit data displays ^^
[18:01] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: good news
[18:01] <Quintasan> recipe works just fine
[18:01] <Quintasan> bad news
[18:01] <Quintasan> I'm too lazy to removet the fist build from out ppa
[18:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: I was thinking about either a http://imagebin.ca/view/IUKzAKM.html or http://imagebin.ca/view/8OoOCa.html kind of thing for the ubutuone share KCM
[18:02] <Quintasan> oh well
[18:02]  * apachelogger tends more towards the former since it looks better
[18:02] <apachelogger> on each share widget a button to kill the share
[18:02] <shadeslayer> oh man
[18:02] <apachelogger> and at the bottom a button to launch ubuntuone-share and add new shares
[18:02] <shadeslayer> still fail :S
[18:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: screenie?
[18:03] <Quintasan> apachelogger: approx. how long do I have to wait to make pbuilder get new verions from kubuntu-ninjas?
[18:03] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: did you run with debug enabled?
[18:03] <apachelogger> Quintasan: eh?
[18:03]  * apachelogger doesnt not compute
[18:03] <apachelogger> that was too much not right there
[18:04] <Quintasan> apachelogger: meh, kdebindings still grabs old libqt4*
[18:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: my home folder : http://imagebin.ca/view/Zg6hZHg.html
[18:04] <apachelogger> Quintasan: well the publisher needs to finish a run and then it still takes a bit until the packages appear on ppa.launchpad.net (since qt4 is rather large)
[18:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: why is preview on?
[18:05] <apachelogger> that said
[18:05] <shadeslayer> idk
[18:05] <shadeslayer> even with off
[18:05]  * apachelogger noticed that for some reason dolphin randomly activates preview and does not want to leave it turned off across sessions or so
[18:05] <apachelogger> always comes back\
[18:05] <apachelogger> \
[18:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: does konqueror work?
[18:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what happens if you change to details or column view?
[18:06] <shadeslayer> same thing
[18:06] <shadeslayer> empty 
[18:07] <shadeslayer> and
[18:07] <shadeslayer> OMG
[18:07] <shadeslayer> new look for rekonq
[18:07] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: and that is a new install? :O
[18:07] <shadeslayer> or the system is broke :P
[18:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: sort off.. like about a week old
[18:07] <shadeslayer> but i just rm -rf the .kde folder
[18:08] <shadeslayer> definitely system break down 
[18:08] <apachelogger> not necessarily
[18:08] <apachelogger> there are more things in $home than .kde :P
[18:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://imagebin.ca/view/9O3i0ARs.html
[18:09] <shadeslayer> thats konqueror when trying to open /
[18:11] <Quintasan> ha hah
[18:11] <Quintasan> lol
[18:11] <shadeslayer> :S
[18:11] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: enjoy ur borked system
[18:11] <Quintasan> that's why I use kvm
[18:11] <Riddell> apachelogger: second one has excessive use of tree views there
[18:11] <shadeslayer> noooo
[18:11] <Quintasan> kvm++
[18:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/PRGULFxi
[18:11] <shadeslayer> dolphin with gdb
[18:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, I would do it with a listview really, since trees are horrible to represent that sort of information
[18:12] <apachelogger> especially since you can have $home/foo shared AND $home/foo/bar AND $home/foo/bar/dir each with different properties
[18:12] <apachelogger> hm
[18:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you do not need to run dolphin in gdb to get debug output :P
[18:13] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[18:13] <apachelogger> anyhow
[18:13] <apachelogger> I think konqueror makes it pretty obvious what is wrong dont you think? :P
[18:13] <shadeslayer> dolphin(17890)/kio (KDirListerCache) KDirListerCache::listDir: DolphinDirLister(0xcfe850) url= KUrl("file:///home/shadeslayer") not a valid url :O
[18:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no :(
[18:14] <shadeslayer> fix my damn system :P
[18:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hints?
[18:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ls -lah /usr/lib/kde4/kio_file.so
[18:14] <shadeslayer> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 80K 2010-08-03 00:17 /usr/lib/kde4/kio_file.so
[18:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: so you also find the first shot better?
[18:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ls -lah /usr/share/kde4/services/file.protocol
[18:15] <shadeslayer> :O ls: cannot access /usr/share/kde4/services/file.protocol: No such file or directory
[18:15] <shadeslayer> omg
[18:15] <shadeslayer> i think.. i removed that file
[18:15] <shadeslayer> :O
[18:16] <apachelogger> lol
[18:16] <shadeslayer> !find kde4/services/file.protocol
[18:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: adjam was teaching me about kio slaves :P
[18:16] <apachelogger> and you broke your system? 
[18:16] <apachelogger> lol
[18:16] <apachelogger> that is one way to learn about slavery for sure
[18:16] <shadeslayer> hehe
[18:17] <shadeslayer> err E: Problem executing scripts DPkg::Post-Invoke '/usr/bin/test -S /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket && /usr/bin/dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=org.freedesktop.PackageKit --type=method_call /org/freedesktop/PackageKit org.freedesktop.PackageKit.StateHasChanged string:'cache-update' > /dev/null'
[18:17]  * shadeslayer hugs apachelogger
[18:17] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: hah! fixed
[18:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: icon could be something to represent inbound or outbound share
[18:17] <Riddell> shadeslayer: that needs the new packagekit build to fix
[18:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ah i see 
[18:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: my saviour
[18:18] <apachelogger> <- pretty good
[18:19] <shadeslayer> anyways.. you might be shocked on seeing this : http://imagebin.ca/view/AgaawQW.html
[18:19] <shadeslayer> thats the new rekonq
[18:19] <shadeslayer> with no URL bar in case you didnt notice
[18:19] <shadeslayer> it reads your mind :P
[18:21] <shadeslayer> oh ha
[18:21] <apachelogger> real man enter URLs via dbus!
[18:21] <shadeslayer> amazing : http://imagebin.ca/view/NGoxXI.html
[18:21] <shadeslayer> such a clean UI
[18:22] <apachelogger> my mom would go  ... "where are my bookmarks?"
[18:22] <apachelogger> and I would go ... "I have no flipping idea"
[18:22] <shadeslayer> everythings there
[18:22] <shadeslayer> hold on
[18:23] <shadeslayer> http://imagebin.ca/view/jbyxa1dK.html
[18:23] <shadeslayer> you can add all of your stuff 
[18:23] <apachelogger> you can?
[18:23] <apachelogger> you mean that is default?
[18:24]  * apachelogger blinks
[18:24] <shadeslayer> and remove the stuff you dont need
[18:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: by default you dont get anything :P
[18:24] <shadeslayer> not even url bar
[18:24] <apachelogger> what the frenchies
[18:24]  * Riddell is assuming shadeslayer is not being serious
[18:24] <shadeslayer> and then you can add the url bar, bookmarks, and foo
[18:24] <shadeslayer> Riddell: well.. its WIP
[18:24] <shadeslayer> something called XML gui
[18:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://imagebin.ca/view/mpG9gl02.html
[18:31] <shadeslayer> why is everyone silent? :D
[18:32] <yofel> shadeslayer: nice ui :P
[18:32] <shadeslayer> :D
[18:35] <apachelogger> error:  400 
[18:35] <apachelogger> Error message:  "Problem while obtaining request token from Ubuntu One servers."
[18:35]  * apachelogger finds that very weird
[18:35] <apachelogger> Signature method test not supported try one of the following: PLAINTEXT, HMAC-SHA1
[18:35] <apachelogger> yet if I try HMAC-SHA1 I get 400
[18:35] <apachelogger> :S
[18:38] <Riddell> yofel: any luck with that SRU you wanted?
[18:39] <yofel> *headdesk* - not yet, had to go and completely forgot to ping anyone
[18:45] <Quintasan> grr
[18:46] <Quintasan> debfx: I have bumped qt4-x11 but it didn't help
[18:46] <Quintasan> hmm it still grabs the old version
[18:47] <Riddell> Quintasan: debfx just uploaded a new version with the transitional package added back
[18:47] <Quintasan> oh
[18:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: what is bad about ubuntu tweak?
[18:48] <Quintasan> man, so much problems with small transition of libs
[18:48] <Quintasan> :S
[18:49] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'm suspicious of anything that changes settings for other programmes, why don't the other programmes do it?
[19:01] <Riddell> ** Alpha 3 candidate CDs need testing now! http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all
[19:05] <shadeslayer> :)
[19:07] <apachelogger> grrrrrr
[19:07] <apachelogger> ah
[19:07] <apachelogger> eh
[19:07] <apachelogger> wtf
[19:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: did you turn on previews intentionally?
[19:08] <apachelogger> in dolphin via kds
[19:08] <apachelogger> because that causes the bug + slow down + crash
[19:08] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes although then Peter P advised against it so maybe I should revert that
[19:09] <Riddell> although it shouldn't crash things surely
[19:09] <apachelogger> well it is the stupid video previewer that causes the crashes
[19:09] <apachelogger> but the bug is coming from the config...
[19:10] <apachelogger> since dolphin defaults to setting-per-folder you open dolphin with $home and previews are on, you turn them on (which apparently does not cause an entry in the folder rc since the assumed default is off anyway) then you go to a subdir and previews are on again
[19:10] <apachelogger> so you turn them off again... go one folder depper -> again previews
[19:10] <apachelogger> and so on
[19:10] <apachelogger> then you quit dolphin
[19:11] <apachelogger> and upon next start the whole dance begins all over again because the setting did not get saved
[19:11] <apachelogger> eitherway I would dislike the idea of having a billion .directory files to turn off previews everywhere anyway
[19:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: on that note, I found Peter's suggestion of having previews for special folders very sensible (where special folders probably only should be XDG_PICTURES)
[19:13] <Quintasan> Riddell, apachelogger: Just wondering, which thumbnailer is being used?
[19:13] <apachelogger> for what?
[19:14] <apachelogger> kio_thumbnail I would suppose
[19:14] <Quintasan> apachelogger: wait, for videos?
[19:14] <Quintasan> it crashes dolphin?
[19:14] <apachelogger> whatever that thing in kdemultimedia is
[19:14] <Riddell> neither ffmpegthumbs or mplayerthumbs are on the CD by default
[19:14] <Quintasan> oh
[19:15] <shadeslayer> bah...
[19:15] <Quintasan> Riddell: I belive we could make some poll or something, which thumbnailer works best
[19:15] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=238819 << can this be fixed soonish?
[19:15] <apachelogger> none uses phonon -> they are all fail
[19:16] <shadeslayer> ulysses: hehe.. just copy pasted in choqok :P
[19:16] <Quintasan> I can remember we had some sort of discussion on ML. I proposed kffmepgthumbnailer cause it is much faster than mplayerthumbs, plus it takes about 400KB
[19:16] <Quintasan> apachelogger: make a better one in that case
[19:16] <apachelogger> I do not care for video previews
[19:16] <Quintasan> why on Earth do we need to use Phonon to generate a fricking thumbnail?
[19:17] <apachelogger> Quintasan: because we do not want to depend on a fricking backend 
[19:17] <apachelogger> especially since both xine and gst and mplayer are utter crap in their own unique ways
[19:17] <apachelogger> s/both/all of
[19:18] <Quintasan> Well, writing another one is out of question, we already lack manpower and keeping another Python tool would be too much for apachelogger's sanity ;P
[19:18] <Riddell> Quintasan: we can't have either on the CD 
[19:19] <Riddell> shadeslayer: looks like an upstream issue
[19:19] <apachelogger> IMMHO video previews are a fail of concept anyway
[19:19] <apachelogger> it is like audio previews
[19:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yes in kdelibs... can you talk to someone ? :D
[19:19] <Quintasan> audio previewies are fail IMO
[19:19] <Quintasan> How can you preVIEW a sound file?
[19:19] <apachelogger> they only make sense if you actually run them and by incident hit a sensible spot of the file
[19:20] <apachelogger> Quintasan: hover over it -> play 30 seconds part of music that represents the track best
[19:20] <apachelogger> exactly the same as with videos
[19:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: thats the new nautilus way of previewing files ;)
[19:20] <shadeslayer> well
[19:20] <shadeslayer> not the best 30 secs.. but the first 30 secs
[19:21] <apachelogger> in fact with videos I might be lead to argue that they should be playing as you are viewing the folder and upon hover add sound to it
[19:21] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: well see, that is why you should not have previews to begin with
[19:21] <apachelogger> because 90% of the time the first 30 seconds are completely worthless anyway
[19:21] <Quintasan> Well, first of all thumbnails for videos are fine
[19:22] <apachelogger> no they are not
[19:22] <Quintasan> why not?
[19:22] <yofel> they are, unless you make a thumbnail of a black scene
[19:22] <apachelogger> do you seriously watch videos picture by picture? Oo
[19:23] <Quintasan> apachelogger: no, but I can recognize the last episode of anime I watched for example
[19:23] <Quintasan> instead of switching to Details and looking for the last episode
[19:23] <Quintasan> :P
[19:24] <Quintasan> yofel: NEVER happened here
[19:24]  * apachelogger would coonsider that a work around for insufficient video player capabilities
[19:24] <Quintasan> the hell
[19:24] <Quintasan> ?
[19:24] <apachelogger> why do I need to know what episode I watched last?
[19:24] <Quintasan> errr...
[19:24] <Quintasan> to watch the latest one?
[19:25] <apachelogger> like I need to remember that on 2001-10-03 I went to essen and took those 3 pictures of me and lord vader at long foo and lat bar
[19:25] <apachelogger> I get your point right there
[19:25] <apachelogger> why let the computer do things for me if I can just as well do it
[19:26] <Quintasan> Just tell me one thing, did you saw ANY of those magics performed by computer now?
[19:26] <Quintasan> The whole semantic desktop is still in infancy
[19:26] <Quintasan> I do not belive such things will work in 2 years
[19:27] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: btw im 19 not 18.. made a mistake yesterday :P
[19:27] <apachelogger> there is nothing about semantic desktops here
[19:27] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: How one can mistake his own age? :O
[19:27] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: dude.. it was like 1 AM
[19:27] <shadeslayer> i was sleepy
[19:27] <Quintasan> apachelogger: it seems like I do not get your point
[19:27] <apachelogger> do you really tell me that my phone implements a semantic desktop because it saves GPS data and time stamps into the pictures I take with it?
[19:27] <apachelogger> Quintasan: you have a video player
[19:27] <apachelogger> with which you play your videos
[19:28] <Quintasan> makes sense so far
[19:28] <Quintasan> :P
[19:28] <apachelogger> now those videos might be in an alignment such as tv series split into episodes
[19:28] <shadeslayer> id rather have a working KDE than a broken kde with loads of fancy stuff
[19:29] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: that's my point but let apachelogger continue, I'm interested
[19:29] <shadeslayer> :D
[19:29] <apachelogger> supposedly the app your ripped a DVD with was smart enough to name the files in a manner that makes it perfectly recognizable in what order they follow each other
[19:29] <apachelogger> so you wathc episode 1 and then 2 and then 3
[19:29] <apachelogger> then you go to bed
[19:29] <apachelogger> 2 weeks later you want to continue
[19:30] <apachelogger> and because your video player smart as it was noticed that episode 1 2 and 3 were already played will suggest that you might want to play 4 now
[19:30] <apachelogger> or if you wish, before going to bed you might have told the player what the next episode is you want to watch
[19:30] <Quintasan> stop here for a second
[19:31] <Quintasan> leaving trivial matters as file names aside
[19:31] <Quintasan> how do you think player would get such things as episode number?
[19:32] <Quintasan> assume the name format is different for each file but they are in one directory named Friends for example
[19:32] <apachelogger> they follow any given name pattern do they not?
[19:33] <Quintasan> well
[19:33] <apachelogger> if they do not then whatever application ripped the files of a DVD failed
[19:33] <apachelogger> that is outside the scope of the player in that case
[19:33] <Quintasan> apachelogger: with funsubbers it's like this
[19:33] <apachelogger> but since about any ripping application will be capable of getting some sort of name pattern going ...
[19:33] <Quintasan> You get a realese from CommieSubs because they were faster
[19:33] <Quintasan> so you have
[19:34] <Quintasan> [Commie]_Some_series_Ep##_[$HASH].mkv
[19:34] <Quintasan> but then next week [HorribleSubs] were faster
[19:34] <Quintasan> and you get
[19:35] <Quintasan> [HorribleSubs]_Some-series-Ep##_[720p].mkv
[19:35] <shadeslayer> that does happen ^
[19:35] <apachelogger> and that is supposed to be complicated?
[19:35] <shadeslayer> and we just entered the realm of piracy :)_
[19:35] <apachelogger> .*Ep[\d]+.*
[19:35] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: those shows are not licensed yer :P
[19:35] <Quintasan> yet*
[19:36] <shadeslayer> heh :P
[19:36] <apachelogger> there I can solve that out of the top of my head using a standard regex :P
[19:36] <apachelogger> then you can go 
[19:36] <apachelogger> .*((Ep)|E)[\d]+.* and match even more
[19:36] <Quintasan> Fine.
[19:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: notice Some_series and Some-series
[19:36] <Quintasan> I give up on that then.
[19:36] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that is unimportant
[19:37] <Quintasan> Another thing comes to mind
[19:37] <apachelogger> you have some identifier and some number
[19:37] <apachelogger> S[\d]+ would be a series E[\d]+ an episode etc. etc.
[19:37] <Quintasan> How would you store number of last episode seen?
[19:37] <Quintasan> Or maybe where
[19:37] <apachelogger> Quintasan: for example in the parenting .directory file
[19:38] <apachelogger> or in the player config
[19:38] <Quintasan> How effcient parsing files can be when looking for certain show?
[19:38] <apachelogger> Quintasan: so store it in the player config?
[19:39] <apachelogger> taht is one file, read once, then you are just loading pages while itering
[19:39] <Quintasan> I mean that if you have a tons of shows
[19:39] <Quintasan> I'm watching about 7 series from this season
[19:39] <Quintasan> and that's not everything
[19:39] <apachelogger> so?
[19:40] <apachelogger> you are only storing minimal amounts of text data, that is about as cheap as it gets
[19:40] <Quintasan> well, things like that accumulate so I assume that parsing the file would take more and more time
[19:40] <shadeslayer> anyways i need to sleep :P
[19:40] <apachelogger> Quintasan: so write a binary and eliminate the parsing?
[19:40] <shadeslayer> cya tmmrw
[19:40] <Quintasan> okay, how much of text would it take to make the whole process take lets say 4 seconds?
[19:41] <apachelogger> entirely depends on the system
[19:41] <apachelogger> >500000 for sure
[19:42] <apachelogger> mind that dolphin prior to maverick made a couple of million lookups and only spent 4 seconds on that (those million lookups also had an awful lot of function calling involved)
[19:43] <Quintasan> Well I'm fine with everything you said
[19:43] <Quintasan> But get down to implementing it.
[19:43] <Quintasan> :)
[19:43] <apachelogger> I do not care for it
[19:43] <Quintasan> Noone cares so that is not needed
[19:43] <apachelogger> tell j-b of vlc fame maybe he would be interested in doing that
[19:43] <apachelogger> if there not already is such a thing for vlc
[19:43] <Quintasan> That's why I <3 thumbnails in video files
[19:44] <Quintasan> FFFFFF
[19:44] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I do not care because I do not produce a video player and because I do not do an awful lot of video watching
[19:44] <apachelogger> also I do agree with j-b that a more pressing issue for KDE is the lack of any decent player
[19:45] <Quintasan> Well, that also somehow defeats the point of those tags in files in KDE
[19:46] <apachelogger> Quintasan: what do tags have to do with this?
[19:46] <Quintasan> I'm just against that whole semantic stuff
[19:46] <Quintasan> tags, ratings etc.
[19:47] <apachelogger> dude
[19:47] <apachelogger> you are using semantics all day long
[19:47] <apachelogger> what do you think music metadata are?
[19:47] <Quintasan> tags
[19:47] <apachelogger> and tags are not semantics?
[19:47] <Quintasan> they are
[19:47] <apachelogger> what do think amarok does with them?
[19:48] <Quintasan> well, your playlist looks nice because of them
[19:48] <Quintasan> and you get your collection
[19:49] <apachelogger> so you are against your collection?
[19:49] <Quintasan> no
[19:50] <Quintasan> let me rephrase it
[19:50] <Quintasan> Video player doing magic stuff like that, no way it will work decently
[19:50] <apachelogger> there is nothing magic about it
[19:50] <Quintasan> Tagging files other than music and pictures, why bother on earth
[19:50] <apachelogger> the player just remembers where it was
[19:50] <Quintasan> apachelogger: it sounds like from a damn sci-fi movie
[19:51] <apachelogger> and manual tagging is but the lowest form of semantical engineering
[19:51] <apachelogger> and IMHO a very usless one in a desktop context
[19:51] <apachelogger> in the intarwebs -> yeah sure, but on the desktop...
[19:51] <apachelogger> Quintasan: dude, I would find it the most usual thing that my computer remembers where I left off?
[19:51] <apachelogger> like KDE remembers
[19:51] <apachelogger> and Firefox
[19:52] <apachelogger> well not konqueror that silly thing
[19:55] <CIA-98> [ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100803185456-74hy7tz5dirwk770 * debian/control build dep on cmake
[19:57] <CIA-98> [ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100803185704-ayzv2mfpgknsv6yv * debian/control build dep on python-dev and kdebase-workspace-dev
[19:58] <Riddell> apachelogger: did you upload packagekit to lucid-proposed?
[19:59] <apachelogger> I think so
[19:59] <apachelogger> well, I should
[19:59] <apachelogger> question is if I did 
[20:00] <Riddell> apachelogger: it's unapproved queue but there's no bug number
[20:00] <apachelogger> oh fooey
[20:00] <Riddell> apachelogger: rejecting I'm afraid
[20:00] <Riddell> can you reupload with bug number?
[20:01] <apachelogger> aye
[20:01] <Riddell> also apparantly there's a SRU freeze, although nobody has been told about it, so I can't accept anyway
[20:01] <apachelogger> once I found the bug myself ^^
[20:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: freeze because of new 10.04 image
[20:02] <apachelogger> ?
[20:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes
[20:04] <apachelogger> that really should be announced on the announce list :S
[20:04] <apachelogger> anyhow
[20:04] <apachelogger> pkg with bug no uploaded
[20:04] <apachelogger> also it can wait since it only affects those people with network access anyway
[20:05] <yofel> apachelogger: something about metadata... do you know how I can make kfilemetainfo die a very cruel death in dolphin? It makes the Information panel and tooltips pretty unsable since it reads a whole file only to show me info I don't even want to know
[20:06] <apachelogger> I am afraid you can't
[20:06] <apachelogger> at least I couldnt imagine how
[20:07] <yofel> well, nvm then
[20:38] <debfx> Riddell: the amarok crashes you were talking about, are they in ~LyricsApplet()?
[20:46] <Mamarok> did somebody else get an invitation for a survey as a "Kubuntu development Member"? I almost sent to spam as the subject only says "I need your help"
[21:23] <Riddell> Mamarok: yes I got that
[21:24] <Riddell> Mamarok: because the world obviously hasn't had enough surveys about motivation of open source developers :)
[21:24] <Riddell> debfx: not sure, lots of threads and didn't look closely, can do next time it happens
[21:24] <Mamarok> yeah, and usually you ask before sending it, no?
[21:29] <Riddell> debfx, Quintasan: yay, libqt4-webkit installs in lucid
[21:29] <Riddell> ninjas! time to get cracking on the rest of the lucid backports 
[21:30] <Riddell> assuming you aren't already cracking on the alpha 3 testing
[21:32] <claydoh> is konq back to being default browser in alpha 3?
[21:34] <claydoh> and what are the major highlights for a3? did  kde sc 4.5 make it?
[21:36] <Mamarok> claydoh: you can forget the sc now, we should not use that anymore, just KDE 4.5 :)
[21:37] <Quintasan> gah
[21:37] <Quintasan> kk testbuilding kdebindings
[21:37] <Mamarok> seems they decided that in Tampere
[21:37] <Quintasan> great
[21:38] <Quintasan> Riddell: did you build kdenetwork with my patch?
[21:38] <claydoh> Mamarok: i missed the memo, I hate using it anyway, had to remember it, now have to un-remember it  :)
[21:39] <Mamarok> well, they decided but forgot to tell everybody else, communication failure
[21:39] <Riddell> Quintasan: not yet I'm afraid
[21:40] <claydoh> yay http://ubuntumaine.org is rising back to life
[21:40] <dantti> great I lost my flight :/
[21:40] <claydoh> sorry wrong channel on that
[21:40] <Riddell> dantti: erk, which flight?
[21:40] <dantti> Riddell: I'm going to Argentina see wife/kids ...
[21:41] <Riddell> claydoh: 4.5 made it yes, rekonq is still the default nobody changed the seeds (and it's actually stable with 4.5.0 final)
[21:41] <Riddell> claydoh: message indicator now on by default for kopete and quassel
[21:41] <Riddell> claydoh: back with dragon video player
[21:41] <claydoh> Riddell: cool I like rekonq
[21:42] <apachelogger> anyone with ubuntuone (not the KDE one) around?
[21:42] <Mamarok> Riddell: are you sure? It doesn't work for half of the websites and crashes a lot for me
[21:43] <Mamarok> not that I don't like it, but it's not really stable
[21:43] <claydoh> I noteced a vast improvement in the 4.5 rc2, only one crash
[21:44] <Riddell> Mamarok: I had lots of random crashes before upgrading to 4.5.0 final, now only a few issues which are very defineable which is a nice improvement
[21:45] <Mamarok> oh, final is out?
[21:45] <Mamarok> didn't check the repos yet
[21:45] <Riddell> Mamarok: not yet, still testing and compiling
[21:46] <Mamarok> ah, OK, will wait then
[21:48] <claydoh> w00t rekonq actually works at kubuntuforums, the submit buttons work now :)
[21:51] <Riddell> claydoh: how about launchpad, can you comment on bugs?
[21:53] <yofel> hm, qtwebkit ignores my color theme, which is actually an improvement for now ^^
[21:54] <sheytan> hey guys
[21:54] <Riddell> yofel: colour theme?
[21:54] <sheytan> http://a.imageshack.us/img231/8913/joinush.jpg  <~~ not done!
[21:54] <yofel> Riddell: err, color scheme
[21:54] <yofel> I've got a dark theme for oxygen, the buttons are displayed in oxygen default though
[21:54] <Riddell> ah
[21:55] <Riddell> probably no bad thing :)
[21:55] <yofel> which is good, as previously they had black text on black button
[21:55] <Riddell> sheytan: "no matter your skills" might give the wrong idea :)
[21:55] <Riddell> sheytan: I know what it's trying to say but it risks sounding like "we take clueless people" as well :)
[21:56] <sheytan> Riddell added to todo ;)
[21:56] <sheytan> how do you like the desing?
[21:56] <Riddell> pretty
[21:59] <sheytan> Riddell thank you :) I only hope ofirk will come and code that, so we will have a new and beatutiful site for 10.10 release :)
[21:59] <sheytan> i'm really trying to give my best. :)
[21:59] <yofel> is the kubuntu logo on the top right supposed to do something when you press it?
[22:00] <yofel> just asking as the menu design somehow gives that impression
[22:00] <JontheEchidna> dang, almost 41 degrees here, boiling
[22:00] <JontheEchidna> <3 air conditioning
[22:01] <sheytan> yofel go to home page
[22:02] <yofel> ok, guess I'm just used to that being on the left ^^
[22:04] <sheytan> yofel it will be propably moved to the left ;)
[22:07] <claydoh> Riddell: adding bug comment worked, but there was an error clicking the submit button didn't save that message tho
[22:18] <apachelogger> who wants to know what madness I am fiddeling on? ^^
[22:19] <apachelogger> Nightrose: ... ;)
[22:19] <apachelogger> Nightrose: oh, btw, any information on QA?
[22:19] <Riddell> claydoh: yes that's what I get
[22:19] <Riddell> guess it's a webkit issue though
[22:20] <Nightrose> apachelogger: nope - will be in the office on friday - have not been able to catch the guy who's responsible yet
[22:20] <Nightrose> and i can't access it from the outside to check myseld
[22:20] <Nightrose> *myself
[22:22] <apachelogger> Nightrose: oh, oki :)
[22:26] <dantti> hey, what Icon for INSTALL (although the text says remove) is best? http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopru1491    http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopww1491
[22:32] <dantti> so hard decision? :P
[22:33] <Riddell> dantti: I prefer the tick, I think there's too many random arrows used in icons
[22:34] <dantti> Riddell: don't you think a down arrow looks more like download?
[22:34] <Riddell> yes a bit
[23:12]  * apachelogger has a feeling that he is writing memleaks here
[23:32] <Quintasan> oh great
[23:34] <Riddell> Quintasan: mm?
[23:35] <Quintasan> Riddell: http://wklej.org/id/372506/
[23:35] <Quintasan> any idea about that smoke stuff failing?
[23:35] <Quintasan> brb gonna get some food
[23:38] <Quintasan> it seems that all dev headers are in place but it fails to link at the end meaning something broke during the build
[23:38] <Riddell> not sure where the failure is in there
[23:38] <Riddell> is it line 1501 ?
[23:39] <Quintasan> yup
[23:39] <Quintasan> also 1753
[23:39] <Riddell> that's not smoke, that's pykde
[23:40] <Quintasan> Riddell: sorry, 1753 is smoke
[23:41] <Quintasan> 1501 being pykde make it even worse
[23:41] <Quintasan> I wonder how many changes went in a 0.0.x release
[23:42] <Riddell> it compiles fine in maverick
[23:42] <Riddell> I can give it a shot next if you like
[23:42] <Quintasan> Riddell: well, I'm still no good at fixing c++, I'll pass that and do something else