[00:20] <h00k> Unity is turning out pretty cool
[00:20] <h00k> aaaaaaand it just thrashed to it's death
[00:20] <h00k> and it's bank.
[00:20] <h00k> *bank
[00:22] <yofel> hm, shouldn't file roller have an application menu entry? it does seem to have a .desktop file, but I don't see it in the Applications menu here in kde
[00:23] <yofel> (the debian menu entry is there)
[00:25] <Daekdroom> yofel, isn't there a menu editor program in which you can disable those entries?
[00:29] <Pici> I think its hidden by default.
[00:30] <yofel> hm, what's the name of the gnome menu editor? I can't find it anywhere in the kde menu editor
[00:30] <Pici> alacarte
[00:30] <yofel> thx
[00:33] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, did you find out what the story is with the html5 chromium issue?
[00:34] <BUGabundo> no
[00:34] <BUGabundo> let me restest
[00:34] <BUGabundo> and now it works
[00:34] <BUGabundo> pff
[00:34] <BUGabundo> long live dailys
[00:55] <yofel> Daekdroom, Pici, thanks for the help, seems like the kde menu doesn't like hidden entries...
[01:00] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: spoke to soon
[01:00] <BUGabundo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDp1MGlfGQ8 won't open
[02:02] <phillw> Hi good people, whilst I'm sure I have seen this before, is there still usb 1.1 support in the new kernel?
[02:19] <h00k> phillw: I would assume, yeah
[02:19] <h00k> phillw: I don't know for sure, but I'd think so.
[02:21] <phillw> hmm, yeah it does appear to, but a 1.1 hard drive (external device) is failing as  ehci_hcd (the usb 2?) is not allowing the ohci (1.1 ?) to have a try :-\
[02:22] <DanaG> Argh, brightness control doesn't work on Intel OR fglrx on Maverick!
[02:22] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/XizgXJmd
[02:22] <DanaG> that's on fglrx.
[02:24] <DanaG> It randomly starts saying "no hardware support"
[02:24] <h00k> DanaG: it works here on mavericks :(
[02:24] <h00k> The notify-osd indicator isn't correct, however
[02:25] <Pici> Works with my ati open drivers here.
[02:25] <DanaG> Hmm, for me, brightness has NEVER worked with the open drivers.
[02:25] <DanaG> No xrandr brightness support.
[02:27] <DanaG>  - executing /usr/sbin/gnome-power-backlight-helper --get-brightness retval: 0 - failed to set using xrandr, falling back to HAL - no hardware support
[02:27] <DanaG> Wait, how the heck is "helper" "using HAL"?
[02:27] <DanaG> Or rather, xrandr?
[02:28] <DanaG> Helper doesn't use xrandr.... that's bogus.  the xrandr module uses xrandr.
[02:28] <DanaG> Helper uses /sys/class/backlight directly!
[02:31] <Gumby``> hi all.  I cant get to #ubuntu because I am banned for some reason (I think I said something that was supposedly inappropriate about a month ago and I am still banned) so I'll ask here in hopes that someone knows the answer.
[02:32] <Gumby``> Does anyone know why empathy wont connect to MSN most of the time?
[02:33] <Volkodav> because they both suck
[02:33] <DanaG> my own issue: bug 534677
[02:39] <DanaG> ARGH.
[02:40] <DanaG> sTUPID brightness control.
[02:40] <DanaG> It works a few times, then randomly decides to quit working.
[02:40] <LoverBoyV> well at least the release a fix for compiz
[02:40] <LoverBoyV> :)
[02:41] <DanaG> ys/ting?
[02:41] <DanaG> arg
[02:42] <DanaG> stupid touchpad scroll.
[02:42] <DanaG> And stupid g-p-m.
[02:42] <DanaG> It uses the gpm backlight helper (that uses hardcoded paths in /sys/class/backlight, and by the way, happens to miss "samsung")... and then complains that "setting brightness using xrandr failed".
[02:42] <DanaG> That makes no sense... how can setting via xrandr fail, when that's not even what it's trying to use?
[02:43] <DanaG> That's like saying "failed to find ice cream in the freezer" when you walked over to the cabinets and pulled out a box of cereal.
[02:44] <DanaG> Or something like that.
[02:45] <DanaG> Or rather, it's like complaining about "ice cream" in "freezer" when you look for, and don't find, the cereal.
[02:46] <DanaG> great, now I'm craving ice cream.
[03:01] <DanaG> Okay, now it's even weirder: it seems the brightness controls only break exactly when I hit minimum or maximum brightness.
[03:24] <KukuNut> is kubuntu-netbook iso dead?  last update was 7/7
[03:32] <johnjohn101> !freetype2
[03:36] <JontheEchidna> KukuNut: it has been incorporated into the regular iso, and will automatically configure a Kubuntu Netbook install if it detects you are on a netbook. You can change this after the install by changing the workspace type in the Workspace module of System Settings
[03:39] <KukuNut> JontheEchidna: thanks.
[03:40] <DanaG> ▁▂▃▄▅▆▇█
[06:18] <DanaG> Bleargh: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/612591
[06:40] <SandGorgon> I just read a (old) blog post on sun about how dynamic linking isnt all that its touted to be : http://blogs.sun.com/rvs/entry/what_does_dynamic_linking_and . Kinda interesting if you ship all dependencies with the software (self contained in a directory) - no more messing around with dependencies
[07:47] <demopig> Do a lot of you run ubuntu server?
[08:38] <mespejel> hello which are the major differences between ubuntu 10.04 and ubuntu 10.10
[08:38] <mespejel> ?
[08:40] <SwedeMike> you probably have to google for different articles regarding that, http://news.downloadatoz.com/ubuntu-10-10-will-apply-default-programs-20100515.html is one of them
[08:44] <mespejel> i guess i will stick to the LTS
[08:44] <mespejel> i dont see a mjor difference
[08:45] <SwedeMike> I'd some people will move in order to get the 2.6.35 kernel for hardware support
[10:18] <era> new font is so tight
[10:18] <era> thunderbird has never looks so sexy.
[10:57] <BUGabundo_remote> wow
[10:58] <BUGabundo_remote> this gtk bug has never been worse :(
[11:21] <Ian_corne> hello
[11:21] <Ian_corne> http://pastebin.org/444812
[11:21] <jpds> Wow.
[11:21] <Ian_corne> anyone know where I could find and fix this?
[11:22] <Ian_corne> ah
[11:22] <Ian_corne> and I don't really see anything that shouldn't be there
[11:23] <Ian_corne> http://pastebin.org/444819
[13:07] <Ian_corne> I manually removed those lines from the file(s)
[13:07] <Ian_corne> and it seems to be working now
[13:07] <Ian_corne> looks like an interrupted update
[13:10] <BUGabundo_remote> Ian_corne: I got that too
[13:10] <BUGabundo_remote> blame oracle :P
[13:10] <BUGabundo_remote> like they did with their sign keys
[13:10] <BUGabundo_remote> I also had to manually delete the lines from the file, and then it worked fine
[13:30] <JoshuaL> Anyone else having the issue where the sound gets muted after an reboot?
[13:31] <JoshuaL> And if not, what package should be reported when creating a bug report?
[14:09] <TommyThaGun> I just got a bunch of these "N: Ignoring file 'google-chrome.list.distUpgrade' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension" when I rean gn update
[14:09] <TommyThaGun> they were all for different files
[14:09] <TommyThaGun> I ran a purge and a clean and they are still there
[14:10] <TommyThaGun> should I just go in there and delete those files manually?
[14:22] <yofel> TommyThaGun: see bug 611925
[14:28] <bblaze> hey, this is my first time testing and i'm a bit confused by the output after when running dist-upgrade - http://nopaste.info/4564a7b527.html
[14:28] <bblaze> I do understand what it says, just wondering if anyone could explain to me why that happens.
[14:31] <Pici> bblaze: Its just the current state of the archives. Usually in cases like that I just hit 'n' until it gives me a solution that leaves all affected packages unupgraded.
[14:31] <Pici> Which in this case would end up upgrading nothing.
[14:31] <charlie-tca> Not all packages get updated at the same time, when you are using the development version.
[14:33] <napsy_> Hello. Can I install the system onto a btrfs filesystem from the alternate installer?
[14:33] <bblaze> Ah, i see. That's what I figured at first, but the thought that maybe there's some lumping together of packages or renaming going on crept into my mind as well
[14:33] <bblaze> alright, thanks then!
[14:33] <head_victim> And depends how up to date the mirror is as well
[14:34] <TommyThaGun> yofel, thanks. So basically, it can just be ignored it sounds like.
[14:34] <TommyThaGun> well..
[14:34] <TommyThaGun> sorta
[14:34] <TommyThaGun> nothing has broken at least
[14:35] <TommyThaGun> my system is not going to fall apart because of this
[14:35] <charlie-tca> napsy_: yes, but I think you need a separate non-btrfs boot partition for grub
[14:35] <yofel> nope, it's just that apt started warning about this now
[14:35] <napsy_> oh ok
[14:56] <BUGabundo_remote> is there a metacity app/plugin to tile selectable windows?
[15:07] <BUGabundo_remote> found x-tile
[15:07] <BUGabundo_remote> http://gtk-apps.org/content/show.php/X+Tile?content=99624
[15:08] <BUGabundo_remote> anyone wants to package it ?
[15:37] <BUGabundo_remote> mauahha
[15:37] <BUGabundo_remote> only does 4 way split
[15:37] <BUGabundo_remote> I need at least 8
[15:40]  * charlie-tca thinks BUGabundo_remote is getting greedy now
[15:53] <BUGabundo_remote> charlie-tca: really big screen
[15:53] <BUGabundo_remote> need  to split my chat windows
[15:54] <BUGabundo_remote> If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization.
[15:54] <charlie-tca> yup
[15:54] <charlie-tca> I really like the "if it doesn't, it does NOT" phrase
[15:55] <BUGabundo_remote> ahah
[15:55] <BUGabundo_remote> that one is nice
[17:46] <TommyThaGun> !aero
[17:46] <TommyThaGun> !snap
[18:12] <funkyHat> Getting this over and over while updating: (gtk-update-icon-cache:10051): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Cannot open pixbuf loader module file '/usr/lib/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache': No such file or directory
[18:30] <dupondje> alot of AppArmor warnings :P
[20:43] <DrHalan> i am looking for gnome-db in maverick
[20:43] <DrHalan> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/mergeant/0.66-1
[20:43] <DrHalan> does only to exsist in gutsy..
[20:44] <yofel> mergeant existed until karmic
[20:45] <DrHalan> what happened with it?
[20:45] <yofel> not sure, it was removed from debian too, maybe unmaintained
[20:45] <DrHalan> damn
[20:45] <DrHalan> postgre-sql is broken atm
[20:46] <DrHalan> so i don'T really have a way to manage my database
[20:47] <Pici> debian #561366
[20:47] <DrHalan> thanks Pici
[20:47] <DrHalan> is there another gui tool for postgre in ubuntu?
[20:55] <Pici> !info pgadmin3
[20:55] <Pici> DrHalan: Perhaps that? I just found it with apt-cache search
[20:56] <DrHalan> thats the one that is broken in maverick atm
[20:56] <Pici> oh
[20:56] <Pici> heh
[20:56] <DrHalan> because it depens on wxwidgets and the packages changed a little
[20:57] <DrHalan> ill try to debian packages
[20:57] <Pici> Wait for a fix? You shouldn't be using Maverick on production machines anyway.
[20:57] <DrHalan> well the bug is reported for some tme
[20:57] <DrHalan> i like using unstable systems.
[21:04] <Ian_corne> anyone got fglrx working yet?
[21:04] <DrHalan> using nvidia sorry
[21:05] <JoshuaL> isnt fglrx always a pain? :)
[21:06] <Ian_corne> It is
[21:06] <DrHalan> why not use the os drivers?
[21:06] <Ian_corne> I do now
[21:06] <Ian_corne> but they're not good enough if I want to play a 3D game
[21:08] <JoshuaL> Ian_corne, ati always releases an driver for ubuntu just before release
[21:08] <JoshuaL> thats what i always experienced when i had ati
[21:08] <JoshuaL> thats why i switched to nvidia :)
[21:09] <DrHalan> at least they support open source drivers
[21:09] <JoshuaL> Question, what is the best way to update your system in ubuntu+1, via the update-manager (which seems to eat a lot of cpu when starting lately) or via apt-get update?
[21:10] <mvo> JoshuaL: the startup problem is a cairo bug/problem
[21:10] <yofel> JoshuaL: doesn't matter, all should work
[21:10] <mvo> if you switch your theme it should go away (or at least get massively better)
[21:10] <JoshuaL> yofel, and what if it asks for partial upgrade?
[21:11] <yofel> JoshuaL: errr, BAD, there's a forum thread with a good explenation about that, let me look for it
[21:11] <Ian_corne> JoshuaL: I stick with ati, they OS driver is miles better
[21:11] <DrHalan> JoshuaL: you have to use apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:11] <JoshuaL> yofel, i usually ignore it and wait a day lol
[21:11] <Ian_corne> and the hardware/cost is better
[21:11] <DrHalan> but it really is up to you how you update your system..
[21:12] <Daekdroom> I use safe-upgrade untill they fix the package wreckage
[21:13] <yofel> JoshuaL: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1479146
[21:14] <JoshuaL> yofel, ty
[21:14] <Ian_corne> safe-upgrade sometimes doesn't dare to remove package0 to replace with pacakge1
[21:34] <pvandewyngaerde> anyone else having dbus errors when upgrading ?
[21:34] <pvandewyngaerde> Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildExited: Launch helper exited with unknown return code 1
[21:35] <cjohnston> I'm getting these messages after doing an apt-get update.. is there a way to fix things? http://paste.ubuntu.com/472797/
[21:36] <yofel> cjohnston: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/611925
[21:37] <cjohnston> awesome
[21:37] <cjohnston> thanks yofel
[21:41] <pvandewyngaerde> i had this too a few days ago,  but i removed the .save files because i dont need them
[21:41] <Daekdroom> pvandewyngaerde, what do those do?
[21:42] <pvandewyngaerde> i dont know
[21:42] <cjohnston> pvandewyngaerde: did that fix it?
[21:42] <cjohnston> or did that cause more problems?
[21:43] <Daekdroom> I removed them and my system looks fine.
[21:43] <Daekdroom> I did that yesterday, did a few upgrades since.
[22:27] <funkyHat> :/ a couple of times I've not been able to escape the fade-out to screensaver
[22:28] <funkyHat> Wiggle the mouse and hit stuff but it just keeps fading ⢁(
[23:09] <Phxdrought> does anyone know if there has been a comparison chart of putting putting files in the U1 folder ver. linking. Im trying a few files both ways and trying which way is convenient if thats the correct word to use. Im sure something will come together after using it for awhile
[23:13] <Phxdrought> I guess if your linking a bunch of files you'd better keep a record of them cause they could be scattered all over in your docs. where as putting them in U1 folder they are all gathered together for easier find