[07:45] <thorwil> good morning!
[08:48] <thorwil> anybody got links to the kubuntu, xubuntu and edubuntu logos at hand?
[08:52] <thorwil> got kubuntu and edubuntu via https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Official
[08:53] <thorwil> except edubuntu has a new logo, too
[08:55] <thorwil> xubuntu down thanks to http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=3231
[09:03] <thorwil> kwwii: the updated edubuntu logo uses the old CoF geometry. maybe your or a colleague should have a talk with them? :)   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Artwork/LucidBranding?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=edubuntu+_150.jpg
[09:18] <thorwil> good morning iainfarrell, vish
[09:19] <vish> thorwil: morning :)
[09:19] <iainfarrell> morning thorwil and vish
[09:20] <knome> hey iainfarrell, thorwil, vish
[09:22] <thorwil> knome: hi! why is there a complete mouse in the new xubuntu logo svg, instead of just the part in the circle?
[09:23] <vish> thorwil , the logo updater!
[09:23] <vish> :D
[09:23] <thorwil> vish: i'm ... troubled by this comment: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2010/08/02/full-circle-magazine-logo/#comment-3155
[09:25] <vish> :(
[09:25] <knome> thorwil, because that's a draft originally
[09:26] <vish> thorwil: until recently the xubuntu logo didnt get approved , doctormo's recent svg blog kinda finalized it ;)
[09:26] <knome> thorwil, i probably should give the team a hand and fix it, in addition to tweaking the colors a bit
[09:28] <vish>  svgs of logos* blog
[09:28] <thorwil> vish: i'm a bit torn between only presenting work that i would be fine with if used and following "client" ideas and requests. well, i'm about to recreate the full circle clusterfuck logo in the modern way :/
[09:29] <thorwil> in the hope everybody will see it's the lesser option
[09:29] <knome> vish, until recently, nobody was trying to get the xubuntu logo approved
[09:29] <vish> knome: true ;)
[09:30] <thorwil> knome: i don't have to expect changes to that mouse?
[09:30] <knome> and as we can see, it still slipped out too early
[09:30] <knome> thorwil, you have all the rights not to expect anything ;)
[09:30] <thorwil> heh
[09:31] <knome> thorwil, but ugh, yes, i'll probably tweak the mouse before maverick .P
[09:31] <knome> +another eye
[09:31]  * thorwil still thinks his mouse could beat that mouse even if blindfolded
[09:32] <knome> that's now out of my scope - i wasn't involved in the selection of that logo over the others even the slightest bit. i just heard this is now official
[09:32] <knome> that's why it also slipped out unpolished
[09:32] <knome> didn't know of the process
[09:34] <thorwil> knome: i don't blame you. what a sad case of failure to talk
[09:35] <knome> it's sad i didn't know, but i also honestly think the chosen logo is not as bad as you think it is
[09:36] <knome> i understand that your version was more compatible in small sizes, but you have to get over the attitude your work is always better :P
[09:40] <thorwil> knome: i don't have the attitude that my work is always better. if you want the charm of a kids drawing the xubuntu mouse is ok.
[09:40] <knome> the mouse is the xfce mouse
[09:40] <thorwil> it's pretty much both now
[09:41] <knome> you're free to convince charlie-tca, the xubuntu leader, of that
[09:41] <knome> i am not deciding on anything about that anymore.
[09:42] <thorwil> useless now that the given logo has been presented as official
[09:43] <knome> you can always change that.
[09:43] <knome> xubuntu is not as stiff as ubuntu is.
[09:43] <knome> especially now that it's not yet been in a release yet
[09:43] <knome> or the xubuntu website
[09:44] <vish> thorwil: "presented" , was just since doctormo thought it was official , and once it was blogged , charlie just said , ok lets use it
[09:52] <thorwil> heh, the kubuntu logo svg is not 3 shapes on one circle. the implied inner circle _is_ another circle
[09:52]  * thorwil hugs boolean ops
[11:51] <thorwil> not that i would want to influence people, but i wouldn't mind comments especially in favor of not using the last option presented at http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2010/08/03/full-circle-magazine-logo-2/ :)
[15:09] <cjohnston> kwwii: ping
[19:55] <thorwil> vish: seems like actually creating that hodge-podge logo for comparison worked out: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2010/08/03/full-circle-magazine-logo-2/#comment-3184
[19:57] <vish> thorwil: \o/
[19:59] <vish> thorwil: gonna to add some spears along with that ? ;p
[20:00] <thorwil> vish: no, as i replied there, it would look like a recycle or reload symbol :/
[20:01] <vish> thorwil: yeah , 1 is seems saner , wonder why he wants it to /not/ be about a circle :)
[20:02] <vish> thorwil: actually you did a pretty decent mashup for 3, but it wont make sense if it is smaller ;)
[20:04] <thorwil> vish: mashup is a nice work. btw, i found out that the kubuntu logo is full of unintentional asymmetry
[20:05] <thorwil> if you take one of the segments and flip it around to compare it with itself, you see it doesn't match. the halves are not identical.
[20:06] <thorwil> varying length of the gaps between the teeth can be seen with the naked eye, if you just zoom in enough
[20:07] <vish> thorwil: i think some one from the kubuntu team did that , seems to be not design's team work.. their splash too
[20:07] <thorwil> vish: isn't it sad that someone who clearly does not know how to do it would not ask for help?
[20:08] <vish> thorwil: :) , one reason might be that they didnt have time before release and after release they didnt care much ;p
[20:10] <vish> thorwil: didnt have time to call out for help ..
[20:11] <vish> thorwil: they are lucky to have decided to go with most of the artwork from upstream :D
[20:14] <thorwil> well, lets hope the kubuntu projects spins smoothly, even with a broken-in-more-than-one-way cog as logo :)
[20:15] <thorwil> i guess some would call be obsessive, anyway :)