/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/08/03/#ubuntu-desktop.txt

TheMusoHey robert_ancell. How was guadec?00:36
robert_ancellTheMuso, hey, it was good00:36
TheMusoGood to hear.00:38
kenvandinerobert_ancell, recovered from the trip yet?02:31
robert_ancellkenvandine, yep, all back to normal02:32
kenvandine:)02:32
chrisccoulson_hey robert_ancell02:58
chrisccoulson_do you have time for a little bit of sponsoring? ;)02:58
robert_ancellchrisccoulson_, sure03:05
chrisccoulson_robert_ancell, thanks. i put the package here: http://people.canonical.com/~chrisccoulson/swt-gtk/03:06
chrisccoulson_did you have fun at GUADEC?03:06
robert_ancellchrisccoulson_, yeah, it was good03:07
chrisccoulson_excellent!03:07
chrisccoulson_i should come along next year ;)03:08
robert_ancellchrisccoulson_, definitely!03:10
chrisccoulson_right, i should go and get some sleep anyway, it's 3.10 here03:11
robert_ancellchrisccoulson_, ok, will look over package later today03:11
chrisccoulson_thanks, and good morning/night/afternoon or whatever time it is ;)03:11
and471robert_ancell, thanks for the quick response to that bug, but I can't seem to run lightdm07:10
and471robert_ancell, I follow the instructions on your blog, but it doesn't seem to start07:10
and471(I have a dual monitor configuration if this helps)07:10
and471robert_ancell, http://pastebin.com/5UxXJutd07:11
pittiGood morning07:15
pittirobert_ancell: good morning07:15
pittidarn07:15
pittiso compiz is still busted07:15
pittirobert_ancell: so, with seb's upload of compiz, the main package actually built, and libcompizconfig0 and compiz-fusion-plugins-main started to become uninstallable07:15
pittidue to the 0.8.4/0.8.6 mixup07:15
pittiI tried to fix yesterday, but they still failed; let's see07:16
pittiah, compiz/armel was due to kde libs being rebuilt, /me gives back07:16
robert_ancellpitti, hey, looking into it now07:17
pittiah, and compiz-fusion-plugins-main failed because -bcop was still being promoted to main, but not done yet07:17
* pitti gives back, too07:17
pittirobert_ancell: ok, so let's wait for those two, nevermind07:18
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robert_ancellpitti, I don't get the bcop problem - the build failure log says it can't find it, but it hasn't changed between compiz uploads afaik?07:21
kenvandinegood morning pitti07:22
pittirobert_ancell: it was demoted to universe in the meantime; I promoted it back last night07:22
pittibut it didn't publish in time for the plugins-main build07:22
pittirobert_ancell: plugins-main bumped the dependency to >= 0.8.6, which was unsatisfiable07:23
pittiso apparently the component-mismatches script thought that our 0.8.4 pacakge was useless and wanted to demote it07:23
robert_ancelloh07:24
pittiasac: giving back eet/ecore, they should build now07:31
pittiand evas07:33
pittigar, what a mess07:33
pittielementary is blocked on eet, as it seems07:33
didrocksgood morning07:42
desrtdidrocks: hey07:43
pittibonjour didrocks07:43
didrockshey desrt, how are you? What a shame Vincent and I weren't able to say bye to you!07:43
* pitti hugs desrt, how are you?07:43
desrtsleepy :)07:44
didrockshello pitti, working late, and starting early? :)07:44
desrtdidrocks: sorry for disappearing, but i guess i will see both you and vincent quite soon :)07:44
pittididrocks: it's called "release time" :)07:44
pittisomeone needs to fight uninstallability, oversizedness, all the fun :)07:44
didrocksdesrt: right, no worry! Hope you had a nice travel back! ;)07:44
desrt(maybe you later this month)07:44
desrtit was okay.  long, though :/07:45
didrockspitti: sounds so "fun" ;)07:45
pittididrocks: at least I got the oversizedness under control07:45
desrtthey took a very strange route.  possibly something to do with ETOPS since i was on a very strange plane07:45
pittiI just removed GNOME, and voila, plenty of space!07:45
desrt>:|07:45
didrockspitti: excellent \o/07:45
didrockspitti: all GNOME, but this gsettings thing, right ? ;)07:46
pittiand less to do for you guys as well; WIN-WIN07:46
desrtdidrocks: gsettings isn't part of gnome, actually :)07:46
pittididrocks: I left the CLI client07:46
didrocksdesrt: heh, right, good catch!07:46
desrtweird!07:46
didrockspitti: waow, even UNE isn't oversized07:46
* didrocks hugs pitti07:46
pittihehehe07:46
desrti just realised/remembered that gsettings and dconf are in ubuntu-minimal07:47
pittididrocks: I've been busy :)07:47
pittididrocks: and I didn't play all my cards yet, we have another 6 MB up our sleeves (bug 612563)07:47
ubot2Launchpad bug 612563 in checkbox (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "stop duplicating example-contents data (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/61256307:47
didrockspitti: what have you done? dep/recommends that shouldn't be there or more on the pool/ directory?07:47
didrocksdesrt: yeah, ubuntu-minimal to ensure you are shipped everywhere :)07:48
didrocksduplicating? /me opens the bug report07:48
pittididrocks: there were three main offenders: (1) we pulled git into the alternates (6 MB), (2) ttf-unfonts grew by 8 MB, (3) checkbox duplicates 6 MB of example-contents (pending), and then I removed a lot of sizable upstream changelogs07:48
didrockspitti: ok, and seeing that for checkbox too. Do you need some help there? It's mainly removing them and creating symlink, right?07:50
desrtdidrocks: all part of the plan =)07:50
pittididrocks: yes; it got assigned to a QA developer, though07:50
desrtworld domination is tiring.  time for bed, i think.07:50
pittididrocks: so if they want to do it (we don't have commit to their branch), so much the better07:50
didrocksdesrt: have a good night07:51
pittidesrt: sleep well!07:51
desrtcheers07:51
didrockspitti: sure07:51
didrockspitti: when you strip down upstream changelog, do you sent the change in the debian package too? I mean, otherwise, we will take the full changelog again at next merge07:51
pittididrocks: not so far; I avoided touching unmodified packages, and the biggest win comes from centrally changing debhelper07:52
pittidh_installchangelogs started to automatically install upstream changelogs, so I disabled that again07:52
didrocksoh right, you spoke about that in a bug report07:53
pittirobert_ancell: ok, plugins-main built now; just need to wait a tad more, then compiz/armel should again work, too07:57
pitti(not that it'd be very imporant)07:58
robert_ancellpitti, thanks08:06
didrocksmvo: did you get some sync for oneconf? I get the same issue since I'm back home: no sync at all08:32
mvodidrocks: no sync for me08:33
mvodidrocks: I talked to thisfred yesterday08:33
mvodidrocks: and he said that I am not in the blacklist08:34
mvodidrocks: so I guess its just general load08:34
didrocksmvo: I backlogged your conversation, I got a result as well, so not blacklisted here08:34
didrocksmvo: well, I got some weird errors in the sync log08:34
mvodidrocks: I keep getting 502, but its the first time I looked at the log08:40
mvodidrocks: so I can't really say what is weird and what is normal08:40
didrocksmvo: I got a wide range of error (401, 500 or just "db not found"): http://paste.ubuntu.com/472541/08:41
asacpitti: hmm08:49
asacso eina built on i386, but amrel etc. still fail waiting for parts of evas?08:49
asacerr08:50
asacthe other way around ;) https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evas/0.9.9.49898-108:50
asacevas i386 builds on i386, but not on other archs. waiting for arch all?08:50
asachmm amd64 succeeded now. guess you fixed it?08:51
seb128hey08:57
pittiasac: yes, amd64 was strange; it kept failing on libeina-svn-06, but I didn't see why it was uninstallable09:00
pittiasac: apparently I annoyed it enough to give in now :)09:00
pittibonjour seb12809:00
asacheh09:00
seb128hey pitti, asac09:00
asaci gave back armel now that suffered from same problem09:00
asachi seb128 !09:00
asaclets see!09:00
* asac on call09:00
pittiasac: argh, again? I already retried that like 3 times09:00
didrockssalut seb128, ça va ?09:00
seb128lut didrocks, ouais, et toi ?09:00
didrocksseb128: ça va bien, en forme :-)09:01
pittiasac: so once this is built, newed, and published, I'll retry elementary and edje09:01
alf__pitti: Hi! What are the chances of applying the patches for debian #587771 to the ubuntu package (changed of course for the new release)?09:06
ubot2Debian bug 587771 in cairo "Package cairo-perf utilities" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/58777109:06
alf__pitti: We need it for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/arm-m-ui-and-test-heads09:06
pittialf__: do we really need to ship that everywhere? I'd much rather like to see that being in a separate package09:09
pittialf__: the current patch doesn't work anyway, since it installs non-SONAME-specific paths into the package09:10
pittiah, -dev09:10
pittiso if that's going into the -dev, then it should be renamed to libcairo-dev09:11
pittiasac: ah, building now on armel09:12
alf__pitti: I can put the cairo-perf utilities in a separate package to avoid the rename09:16
pittialf__: sounds good; and a libcairo-perf2 for the libs?09:18
alf__pitti: Sure. I'll ping you when it is ready, thanks!09:20
pittialf__: can you please open a bug about it and assign canonical-desktop-team?09:20
alf__pitti: ok :)09:21
huatsmorning !09:22
seb128alf__, pitti: those cairo changes should be discussed with slomo first if possible, didn't you start doing that before?09:25
seb128alf__, pitti: take also into account that upstream seems to recommends against using that utility, it's rather specific and doesn't really reflect performances of your hardware or drivers, just very specific codepaths in cairo09:26
alf__seb128: We did talk with slomo but there hasn't been any update on the debian side and we need this in ubuntu. I will try to ping slomo again today.09:29
alf__asac: ^^09:29
slomoalf__: well, give me a patch and we can continue to discuss this :)09:30
slomoalf__: i'm not 100% against it, but show me the patch first please09:30
seb128hey slomo09:30
slomohi seb12809:31
seb128slomo, seems the gdk pixbuf loaders trigger create some issues09:31
slomoseb128: good, which issues? :)09:31
seb128slomo, if some postinst needing a loader are run before the gdk one they have errors09:31
seb128ie cache icons updates09:31
seb128ie if you have an upgrade with gdx-pixbuf and some applications having icons shipped09:32
seb128everything is unpackaged first09:32
seb128then postinst and ran in random order09:32
seb128the loader cache is not available until the gdk-pîxbuf runs09:32
alf__slomo: Hi! There is a patch at debian #587771 (against 1.9.10). Ths09:33
ubot2Debian bug 587771 in cairo "Package cairo-perf utilities" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/58777109:33
slomoalf__: thanks, will take a look later09:33
seb128but if some other postinst run before this one need the loaders you get issues09:33
slomoseb128: hrm, ok09:33
seb128I'm not sure how to fix that...09:33
seb128slomo, want to move that discussion to #debian-gnome rather?09:34
slomoyes, but not now09:34
seb128ok09:34
seb128ping me there when you want to discuss it then09:34
slomoi'll start it later today or early tomorrow .)09:34
seb128ok09:34
slomothanks for telling me about it09:34
seb128np09:34
slomobtw, i started with gtk3 in pkg-gnome svn... if you want to take a look09:34
seb128is there an issue with the experimental glib btw?09:34
slomothere's sitll lots of things to do09:35
seb128oh nice, I will09:35
slomomaybe, what's wrong?09:35
alf__slomo: The question is whether it would be better to split perf stuff into separate packages. Anyway, ping me when you are ready. Thanks!09:35
slomoalf__: i prefer separate packages if it isn't too ugly09:36
seb128slomo, not sure, somebody in #debian-gnome mentioned it segfaults yesterday09:36
slomook, thanks09:36
slomoit doesn't crash for me but webkit started to crash recently ;)09:37
slomooh and there's a bug about some trigger in glib segfaulting09:37
seb128that might be the issue that guy was talking about yesterday09:38
asacalf__: what changes are you talking about?09:38
asacseb128: ?09:38
asac(cairo)09:38
asacdidnt you say above that cairo-perf should live in a separate package?09:39
pittiargh, argh, compiz still uninstallable09:39
* pitti fixes harder09:39
asachehe09:39
alf__asac: yes. The current packaging, though, puts perf stuff in libcairo2(-dev).09:41
pitti*sob* I had http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/maverick_probs.html down to 0 on i386/amd64 yesterday09:41
* seb128 hugs pitti09:44
* didrocks hugs pitti09:44
asacalf__: so will we do a separate package?09:49
asacor what is the word ;)?09:49
seb128asac, alf__: what do you that one for btw?09:49
seb128asac, alf__: you realize that upstream said it's pretty useless for benchmarking hardware or drivers?09:49
seb128you are basically going to measure some very specific cairo codepath performances with it09:49
seb128that's not really reflection the driver or hardware performances...09:50
alf__asac, seb128: agreed, it is not a pure hardware benchmark but it is affected by the driver/hardware performance09:56
asacseb128: we first make available the benchmarks etc. and then see how things can be improved etc.09:58
seb128ok, fair enough, I was just pointing it for information09:58
asacseb128: thanks... do you have links/resources for that statement?09:59
alf__asac: i will split perf stuff to seperate binary packages10:00
slomoseb128: for the pixbuf triggers, we could make the icons packages pre-depend on gdk-pixbuf maybe10:01
seb128slomo, well it's any package installing an icon, so hundred of packages10:03
seb128slomo, and that would not solve upgrade from old version or partial upgrades cases10:04
pittiasac: hm, do you have some minutes to track down all the uninstallability mess in http://launchpadlibrarian.net/52984258/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-amd64.edje_0.9.99.49898-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz ?10:04
seb128asac, no, just IRC log from the discussion between alf__ and #cairo guys some weeks ago on the topic10:05
seb128asac, I don't say those are useless or that you can't improve them, just be aware that they are not an efficient way to measure what you hardware or driver can do now10:06
seb128I guess that's still better than nothing and you can improve the coverage10:06
seb128pitti, has https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eet/1.3.2-1/+build/1900794 been published yet?10:11
seb128pitti, I guess edje can be retried once it has10:11
pittiright; I'll just keep retrying the stuff until it condescends to build, I figure :)10:11
pitti  libeet1 |    1.3.2-1 |      maverick | amd64, armel, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc10:12
pittishuold be fine10:12
* pitti gives back10:12
seb128pitti, ok, tracked it10:17
seb128it's ecore which failed to build10:17
seb128because evas was not published yet10:17
seb128so you need to retry ecore10:17
pittidone, thanks10:17
seb128then you can retry edje10:17
seb128then = when the other one will be published10:18
pittithanks10:18
pittiso, armel images will still take a while :)10:18
seb128yeah...10:18
ronocbl8: ping10:19
seb128hey ronoc10:19
asacpitti: ecore needs to be built i hope10:19
bl8ronoc: Hey !10:19
pittiasac: right, just retried it10:19
ronochi seb12810:19
pittihey ronoc10:19
asaccool10:19
ronochey pitti10:20
ronocbl8: so did i hear you have a mpris 2 branch ready to merge ?10:20
ronocbl8: there have been some changes to the spec last week (nothing major)10:20
bl8ronoc: it's here : http://gitorious.org/~bl8/banshee/bl8-clone/commits/mpris10:21
bl8ronoc: Oh, I'll have another look at the spec then, thanks for the heads up10:22
ronocbl8: do you intend to support the playlist stuff ?10:22
bl8ronoc: Not sure, I haven't seen anything about it. Is it described anywhere ?10:23
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seb128ronoc, speaking of which, is that normal that the current version lists some playlists when I've none in my player configured?10:24
didrocksI think it's just dummy test output, same here :)10:25
ronocbl8: its in the playlist part of the spec, its optional. The spec can be found from here http://www.mpris.org/mirsal/2.0-draft/spec.html10:25
ronocdidrocks: they are just mock playlist titles for now until I can find some backend that supports it10:26
didrocksyeah, I was thinking I definitively have no "Kranky selection" ;)10:26
ronocseb128: sorry it was you who asked the question10:26
ronocdidrocks: and why not, ?:) great label - god speed you black emperor, stars of the lid, loscil ...10:27
seb128ronoc, ok10:27
seb128lol10:27
didrocksronoc: not the kind of music I listen TBH ;)10:27
ronocdidrocks: fair enough, too much sunshine down in France, keeps ye all in such a good mood you have no need for such muzak10:29
didrocksronoc: heh, right :-) (or let's believe it is right!)10:30
ronoc:)10:30
bl8ronoc: As Playlists use TrackList objects, which are not implemented, we probably won't support them, at least for now10:31
bl8ronoc: Is the basic mpris stuff (play, pause,etc.) supposed to be working with mpris v2 in the sound-menu ?10:35
ronocbl8: oh thats a shame, looks like vlc will be the only client to support them for maverick10:35
ronocmaybe amarok10:35
ronocdepending on how much time agateau will have10:36
ronocbl8: I'm waiting for a build to implement/test mpris 210:38
ronocvlc is due today, although i was told that about a week ago10:38
ronochopefully thursday release will have this in place10:39
ronocbl8: its not too much work10:39
seb128mvo, did you try to talk to the #cairo guys about your slowness issues?10:42
bl8ronoc: The things about TrackList is that it would probably require a significant amount of work to make it fit with the way things are done in Banshee10:44
mvoseb128: no, sorry10:46
seb128mvo, ok, no pb10:46
pittiah, ecore built, binNEWed (still waiting on armel)10:46
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asacyay10:49
seb128mvo, ok, I try to ask them10:49
seb128mvo, what videocard do you use?10:49
seb128mvo, rather driver, nouveau?10:49
asacpitti: also binNEWmained?10:50
ronocbl8: yes this is the same I think with rhythmbox10:50
mvoseb128: I see it on nouveau and ati10:50
mvoseb128: ati is a couple of days behind though with the upgrades10:50
pittiasac: yes10:50
asaccool10:50
asacarmel is in its last steps according to live-log10:50
seb128mvo, ati being the opensource ati driver right?10:50
mvoseb128: ye10:51
mvoss10:51
seb128mvo, ok thanks10:51
pittiasac: ecore/armel NEWed10:52
pittiso, another hour, then we can retry edje and elementary, and in about three hours we might actually have something installable again10:53
senseseb128: Will Empathy be compiled with GeoClue support in Maverick?10:53
seb128sense, no10:53
vishwhy does empathy have freenode *and* Ubuntu servers listed in its irc channels available?10:54
senseyeah10:54
sensevish: Why did we make Freenode the default IRC server, and not Ubuntu?10:55
vishsense: i didnt expect that bug uploaded , i mentioned Ubuntu servers  :S10:55
senseirc.ubuntu.com:8001 is probably preferred10:55
senseWould allow us to quickly switch to other servers without losing everyone in the channels, I guess.10:56
Zdrais that an ubuntu-specific patch for empathy?10:56
vishsense: the problem is both are the same , but no one refers to them as Ubuntu servers either.. why not just remove Ubuntu servers?10:56
sensevish: The Freenode entry is also using irc.ubuntu.com as the server?10:57
vishsense: no , it has freenode as its server10:57
sensevish: then that is the difference10:57
vishsense: but both just use freenode , i asked on -irc, they are both same10:57
sensevish: That is true, but if we might want to switch to other IRC servers we could just make irc.ubuntu.com redirect to something else and everyone would switch easily.10:58
vishZdra: which patch, there is one forwarded upstream , and cassid-y has requested a few changes10:58
vish?10:59
vishsense: we wont be switching from freenode ;p10:59
sensevish: Maybe this is something for the desktop team to consider. Do we want to keep references to Ubuntu Server as a separate IRC server or not.10:59
Zdravish, to make freenode the default, yes. But if you want ubuntu to be the default then I guess that's an ubuntu patch for the package10:59
sensevish: I know. ;)10:59
vishZdra: there needs to be a default server option available , upstream using Gimpnet is good , while each distro changes to its own server11:00
didrocksogra: the session desktop file should be shipped in the settings package, not the launcher. You should Replaces:11:00
didrocks(and remove it from the launcher)11:01
vishZdra: are the two servers[freenode, Ubuntu servers] listed in the upstream version too?11:02
kiwinotedidrocks, mvo: fyi having oneconf installed adds half a second warm startup time and 2.7 seconds cold startup time to s-c every single time it is launched..11:04
didrockskiwinote: hum, weird, almost all is async, can it be with desktopcouch loading?11:05
kiwinotedidrocks, mvo: which may not seem a lot, but it does take warm startups from a total time of 1 second to 1.5 seconds in the branch i'm working on11:05
kiwinotedidrocks: I haven't yet looked into what precisely the cause is11:05
asacpitti: scheduler runs are once an hour? thought it was every 30 min11:05
pittiasac: scheduler?11:06
asacpublisher ;)11:06
asacpitti: ^11:06
pittiasac: oh, publisher? yes, every hour at :311:06
didrockskiwinote: do you want to trace that, like adding before loading plugin and after?11:06
pittiit takes some 50 mins, so it can't run faster11:06
asacyeah11:06
didrockskiwinote: to have real data :)11:06
asacok so thats unfortunate timing then ;)11:06
mvokiwinote: uh, that is not good11:06
chrisccoulsonpitti - would you mind sponsoring the pacakge in http://people.canonical.com/~chrisccoulson/swt-gtk/ for me please?11:07
kiwinotedidrocks: the time is the time to execute self.plugin_manager.load_plugins() from within the s-c app.py, if that is what you mean?11:07
didrockskiwinote: exactly11:08
chrisccoulsoni can't upload it :(11:08
pittichrisccoulson: sure11:08
chrisccoulsonthanks11:08
pittichrisccoulson: you dont' happen to have the source.changes still?11:09
pittichrisccoulson: seems I'd need to install a gazillion packages just to build the source11:09
chrisccoulsonpitti - should do, 1 second11:09
chrisccoulsonpitti - i've put the source.changes there too now11:10
pittichrisccoulson: uploading (argh, includes orig.tar.gz)11:11
seb128chrisccoulson, see you could use uploads right out of the mozilla set ;-)11:11
chrisccoulsonpitti - want me to rebuild it without the orig.tar.gz?11:12
chrisccoulsonseb128 - yeah, it would be useful ;)11:12
pittichrisccoulson: nah, already uploaded11:12
chrisccoulsonthanks11:12
didrocksDEBUG:softwarecenter.plugin:/usr/share/software-center/plugins/oneconf_plugin.py module loading time: 0.17000011:22
didrocksDEBUG:softwarecenter.plugin:/usr/share/software-center/plugins/oneconf_plugin.py module init_plugin time: 0.00000011:22
didrocksmvo: kiwinote ^11:22
didrocksand my laptop has more than 3 years, not the fastest one11:23
didrocksthen, there is some async desktopcouch and network call that can slowdown startup time11:23
kiwinotedidrocks: could it have anything to do with the u1 servers or so? I have just been doing some testing for the last 20mins constantly getting slow timings and now I also get fast startup speeds??11:27
kiwinotedidrocks: I had managed to trace it down to oneconf.hosts before it all became fast..11:28
pitticd11:30
didrockskiwinote: there is no u1 server call before you open the u1login dialog11:31
didrockskiwinote: however, there are some desktopcouch call by dbus11:31
kiwinotedidrocks, I'll go and have some lunch now and have a better look afterwards to find out why..11:31
didrockskiwinote: great, enjoy! :)11:31
kiwinotedidrocks: thanks for the help!11:32
didrockskiwinote: thanks to you :)11:32
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pittiyay, compiz is installable again11:49
asac:)11:51
seb128didrocks, why did you reopen bug #592060?11:58
ubot2Launchpad bug 592060 in libgee (Debian) (and 1 other project) "[MIR] libgee (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59206011:58
seb128didrocks, do you still have bug #591158 and bug #591159 on your list?11:58
ubot2Launchpad bug 591158 in libunity-misc (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libunity-misc (affects: 1) (heat: 66)" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59115811:58
ubot2Launchpad bug 591159 in dee (Ubuntu) "[MIR] dee (affects: 1) (heat: 66)" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59115911:58
didrocksseb128: just to track the symbols file addition (see comment) so that I close it accordingly when debian sponsor my patch11:59
seb128didrocks, oh ok11:59
didrocksseb128: dee is ok, I can close it11:59
seb128didrocks, asac said to assign back to him when it has a symbol file on the bug11:59
didrocksseb128: oh right, doing that so12:00
seb128thank you12:00
vishseb128: there was a problem with the previous patch ,gnome Bug 530136 was re-opened and a new patch applied.  the "organize desktop by name" shows up in folders too :s12:00
ubot2Gnome bug 530136 in Desktop ""Clean Up by Name" should be "Reset by name" or similar" [Trivial,Reopened] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53013612:00
seb128asac, ^ you were asking for srus yesterday ;-)12:00
didrocksseb128: not sure about why that extra step is needed :)12:00
seb128vish, thanks12:00
vishseb128: shall i re-open the lp bug or open a new one?12:00
seb128vish, you can reopen the previous one12:01
asacseb128: i asked for MIRs not SRUs12:01
vishseb128: ok neat, thanks12:01
asacyou can close if it has symbol file12:02
seb128asac, sorry that was a typo, we were speaking about mirs ;-)12:02
didrocksasac: ok, closing it so12:02
asacdidrocks: which one was it?12:02
asacdee?12:02
didrocksasac: dee12:02
didrockslibunity-misc still wait for an upload for that, I'm pushing the packaging branch now12:02
didrockslibgee is waiting for debian sponsorship12:03
asacok looks ok12:04
asacyou are core dev, arent you?12:04
didrocksright12:04
asacmaybe close bugs in changelog ;)12:04
asacok ... just wondered because you said its waiting for an pload12:05
asacbut you talked about debian i figure12:05
didrocksasac: exactly, as we are in sync for libgee12:05
didrocksasac: well, closing MIR bug in changelog is weird, but can do for next upload of libunity-misc if needed :)12:05
asacdidrocks: this one was a follow up bug after a pre-promotion12:06
asaciirc12:06
didrocksyes12:06
asacso its fine imo ;)12:06
didrocksok :)12:06
pittifirst ubuntu alternate candidates posted to tracker, FYI12:28
pittithey should be installable, but smoketesting appreciated12:28
pittiasac: argh, elementary depends on edje; so, another two hours12:30
kiwinotedidrocks: it turns out that the fast loading time was just a typo i had made meaning that only part of the plugin was loaded12:53
kiwinotedidrocks: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/472621/ has all the times12:53
kiwinotedidrocks: the slowest thing is 'from desktopcouch.records.server import CouchDatabase'12:53
didrockskiwinote: ok, I'll ping desktopcouch people about that, not sure I can do a lot there :/12:54
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pittididrocks: ubuntu-netbook built and published to tracker, FYI13:31
didrockspitti: thanks, syncing the iso13:31
seb128pitti, do we have candidate desktop as well or only the alternates ones?13:32
pittiseb128: it's still building13:32
seb128ok13:32
pittididrocks: still within the limit, 699 MB \o/13:32
didrockspitti: awesome! thanks for your work there :)13:33
* didrocks hugs pitti13:33
* pitti hugs back didrocks13:33
* seb128 hugs pitti as well, what we would do without you13:33
chrisccoulsonpitti - can we fit chromium on it now?13:34
* chrisccoulson hides13:34
pittichrisccoulson: oh, I thought it was there already13:35
chrisccoulsonoh, i didn't think so. perhaps didrocks knows though13:35
pittiISTM that this is a change that we should do rather earlier than later?13:35
didrockschrisccoulson: we didn't change our opinion since the discussion we had :)13:36
pittiseb128: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20100803.1/13:39
pittigrab'em while they're hot :)13:39
seb128pitti, danke13:39
seb128pitti, no chromium by default this cycle, chrisccoulson didn't have time for it due to the firefox security updates and we still have issues to sort13:40
didrocksseb128: hum, do you have that issue too? click on a menu, try to use the keyboard to switch items without touching the mouse, does it focus again the first element (where the cursor it) after half a second?13:42
seb128didrocks, under unity?13:42
didrocksseb128: no, under GNOME here13:42
didrockslike, click on Applications (with the mouse)13:43
didrocksthen, use the arrow keys to select another item13:43
didrocksdamn, I get no more the issue :/13:43
seb128no, I don't get it13:43
didrocksoh I get it with only left/right13:43
seb128I clicked on applications, left13:44
didrocksso, click on Applications, then right to select places13:44
seb128no issue13:44
didrockshum, I get it there13:44
didrocksnot sure how to debug that13:44
seb128do you have unclutter running?13:44
didrocksyes13:44
didrockslet me stop it13:44
seb128can you stop it and try again?13:44
didrockskill?13:44
seb128yes13:44
didrocksunclutter is guilty13:45
seb128ok, I'm not surprised13:45
seb128uninstall it13:45
seb128we stopped shipping it by default it was only for alpha2 for testing13:45
didrocksoh ok :)13:46
didrocksthanks seb12813:46
seb128np13:46
* kenvandine kind of liked the pointer getting hidden13:46
kenvandinebut bugs be bugs :)13:47
seb128hey kenvandine13:47
didrocksgood morning kenvandine13:47
kenvandinehey guys :)13:47
robert_ancellpitti, your blog post about frozen main has an empty link13:56
seb128hey robert_ancell13:56
robert_ancellseb128, hey13:57
pittirobert_ancell: whoops, thanks! fixed13:57
seb128robert_ancell, had a nice flight back? sorry I lost you at the airport, they had a second security check point and side to the airport and my flight was there13:57
robert_ancellseb128, yeah, I thought you were getting special treatment!!13:58
robert_ancellseb128, has your sickness cleared up?13:59
seb128yes!13:59
seb128did you manage to avoid getting the guadaflu? ;-)13:59
seb128I spent saturday mostly sleeping and I'm fine since sunday14:00
didrocksseb128: no Zelda this week-end, so?14:00
seb128didrocks, no ;-)14:00
seb128zelda is not a weekend thing14:00
seb128it would require some weeks of holidays :p14:00
didrocksseb128: heh, right :-)14:00
robert_ancellseb128, yeah, I think I'm just on the tail end of it.  I slept all morning/afternoon Sunday, was surprised I managed to sleep Sunday evening too!14:01
seb128hehe14:02
pittiasac: do you have a n-l-efl upload ready, to build against the new -06 ABI stack?14:04
pittiit's uninstallable right now14:05
asacpitti: no yet ... wanted to do that once the stack was sorted14:07
asacis all there now?14:07
pittiogra: ^ FYI14:07
asacelementary still missing14:07
pittiasac: not yet, I was just wondering (and ogra asked about an image build)14:07
pittiasac: elementary waiting on edje publisher14:07
asacit wouldnt build atm14:08
asac(i would guess)14:08
pittiasac: *nod*14:08
asaclet me prepare the update though14:08
ograasac, you didnt tell me it would take me a day out of business when you asked for uploading n-l-efl14:09
* ogra wasnt aware that would require the whole stack14:09
asaci was asking about the whole stack14:09
ograi somehow wasnt aware :/14:10
asacthere were a few unfortunate steps here. one was that the sync happened EOD yesterday rather than lunch time, so the stack needed love today14:10
ograwell, it is how it is14:10
asacright14:11
asacall will be fine today ;)14:11
seb128sorry about the sync delay14:11
seb128I would have waved things through new yesterday evening if I realized that was required14:11
seb128anyway it's almost sorted now14:12
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asacseb128: np at all14:18
pittididrocks: hm, current netbook iso shows close/minimize/maximize buttons in the panel14:22
pitti(which overlap with the "desktop" menu)14:22
pittiknown?14:22
didrockspitti: known and bug filed14:23
pittiok, thanks14:23
didrocksyw :)14:23
pittiand I get the ubuntu-one bar in each folder; also known?14:24
pittikenvandine: ^14:24
pitti(in nautilus)14:24
ograthats surely a promotional thing :)14:24
didrockspitti: it's like that for quite a long time now :/14:25
seb128pitti, that's "not a bug" :-(14:25
pittididrocks: ok, so seems there's a bug report in order14:25
pittiseb128: ..14:25
pittiu1 harassing me to sync each and every folder is not a bug??14:25
seb128pitti, design thinks it's not easy enough to figure how to use u1 without those14:25
seb128pitti, I'm with you on this one, especially that I don't use ubuntuone at all14:26
pittiand if people actually click on that in their video folder, and they have a fully saturated dsl link for the next three years (and thus broken internet), that's also not a bug?14:26
pittidjsiegel: halp! ^14:26
seb128pitti, you want to talk to johnlea14:27
kenvandinepitti, yeah14:31
kenvandinepitti, it is better than it was...14:31
ronocbl8: do you intend to implement the mpris method raise()14:31
seb128kenvandine, do we have a reference bug for that "issue"?14:31
ronocbl8: that would be great if you would14:31
kenvandineit had said "Ubuntu One: disabled" with a enable button in every folder14:31
kenvandinea bunch of us hit enable... which synced that folder :)14:32
kenvandineseb128, only for the text that was there sucking14:32
kenvandinenot for the presence of that bar or not14:32
seb128seems there is a couple of ones about not spamming every dialog with the bar14:32
seb128not sure if one is used for discussion with design etc though14:32
seb128can you try to figure that out?14:33
kenvandinenot that i saw, but i can find out14:33
seb128thanks14:33
pittiseb128, kenvandine: I filed bug 612988, please confirm/ack/etc.14:35
ubot2Launchpad bug 612988 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) "[nautilus] shows ubuntu-one ribbon in each folder (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/61298814:35
kenvandinepitti, thx14:36
kenvandinepitti, i'll comment on the bug... but the "Ubuntu One" isn't enough, i think it should display a banner on each folder that is set to sync and have a menu entry to enable syncing that folder14:38
didrockspitti: should the OEM setup ask for setuping an account name at first launch after install?14:38
kenvandineor maybe just a small button or something... the banner takes up way too much space14:38
pittididrocks: yes14:38
pittikenvandine: right-click menu isn't enough?14:38
didrockspitti: ok, I'll have a try on the regular desktop install before opening a bug for UNE14:39
kenvandineno, what happens with touch devices someday?14:39
kenvandinemy biggest complaint is the space... it is like 40px high, or more14:39
kenvandineand the button is way too inviting14:40
kenvandinemaybe just an u1 icon in the toolbar, and when you click it you can control the state with some popup menu of some sort...14:40
kenvandinedunno14:40
pittiok14:40
kenvandineanyway, i'll comment and make sure johnlea sees it14:40
kenvandinethat banner is freaking huge :/14:41
pittikenvandine: thanks14:42
seb128there should also be a way to say "I don't use ubuntuone, stop spamming me with advertisement banners"14:42
staz+114:42
seb128hey staz14:42
seb128mvo, pitti: have you seen bugs similar to http://paste.ubuntu.com/472659/?14:43
seb128dpkg " error in Version string `3.1.2-56127_Ubuntu_karmic': invalid character in revision number"14:43
stazseb128: hello :)14:43
seb128ronoc is getting that when trying to upgrade his maverick today14:44
kenvandineseb128, it could be smart about it and only display it if you have a u1 account configured14:47
kenvandinebut i think they also want to drive the action of wanting to sync files directly into account signup14:47
seb128well even if that case14:47
didrockskenvandine: even with that, I don't want to get that on every single folder I have14:47
seb128if I share one folder only I don't need a banner to be displayed on every user dir for ever14:48
kenvandinedidrocks, indeed14:48
bcurtiswxkenvandine: vish said in bug #542806 that you had a patch to fix.  I'm wondering if this patch will still allow for scroll to bottom when you're already at the bottom of a chat window14:49
ubot2Launchpad bug 542806 in empathy (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "In chat rooms, empathy should not scroll to the bottom whenever a new message is received. (affects: 22) (dups: 1) (heat: 121)" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54280614:49
pittiseb128: I didn't, no14:50
seb128pitti, ok14:51
kenvandinebcurtiswx, not sure i understand what you mean14:52
bcurtiswxin a chat room, if i'm already at the bottom of the chat window, i would expect it to auto scroll to bottom for me14:53
kenvandineoh, i doubt it would14:53
kenvandinewell, actually maybe it would14:53
* kenvandine needs to fix that branch and do a release14:53
bcurtiswxwell, before your patch, it does (no matter what).  im wondering if you patch removes that only if you're not already at the bottom of the chat window14:54
mvokiwinote: I just merged the "getting-small-stuff-right" branch, could you please remerge to look over my changes? I did some minor tweaks and would appreciate a quick review on them15:02
kiwinotemvo: thanks, I'll have a look as soon as trunk has reloaded15:03
mvokiwinote: thanks!15:06
seb128mvo, !!!15:07
seb128mvo, saw my ping just before? ;-)15:08
mvoseb128: no15:09
kenvandineseb128, didrocks: can one of you guys please review lp:~ken-vandine/gwibber/libgwibber-ubuntu ?15:09
mvoseb128: oh, now15:09
seb128kenvandine, didrocks: reviewing it15:09
kenvandinethx!15:09
didrocksseb128: ok15:09
mvoseb128: I bet its dpkg not sanitizing the stuff it writes out to the status file anymore15:09
mvoseb128: or did you go wild in it manually ;)15:09
mvoseb128: or maybe it got more picky :)15:10
didrockspitti: hum, no prompt after first boot for setting up an user account as well with OEM installation for the desktop image15:10
kenvandineseb128, i also have a branch for gnome-utils that embeds the gwibber posting widget in gnome-screenshot... but that won't be a maverick thing i suspect :)15:10
seb128mvo, ronoc is the one having the issue15:11
seb128ronoc, there?15:11
ronocseb128: hey15:11
ronocshall i try again ?15:12
seb128mvo, any suggestion of what ronoc can do to get out of it?15:12
seb128ronoc, yes please15:12
vishbcurtiswx: hmm , iirc the nicolo's patch was turning off the auto-scrolling and nothing more15:13
ronocseb128: still the same problem15:13
bcurtiswxvish: that can be a major problem for auto-scrolling when already at bottom of chat window (which we want to happen)15:14
vishbcurtiswx: hmm , i meant turn off auto-scrolling always.. should scroll normally15:14
kiwinotemvo: the changes all work ok; the only point I would have is that the display_name and display_summary aren't really properties of an application object.., but don't worry about that15:15
mvoseb128: yeah, make the "*U*buntu" a "*u*buntu"15:15
mvoseb128: lower case15:15
seb128mvo, manually in the status file or?15:15
mvoseb128: if he wants his system back  Ithink so15:15
bcurtiswxvish: OK, good to know.  otherwise we'd get a flood of regression bugs :-\15:15
mvoseb128: plus a bugreport15:15
seb128ronoc, ^15:15
seb128ronoc, can you edit /var/lib/dpkg/status and change 3.1.2-56127_Ubuntu_karmic to "ubuntu"15:16
vishbcurtiswx: yeah , well , we'll keep an eye out what it does :)15:16
seb128ronoc, and try again15:16
bcurtiswx:)15:16
seb128ronoc, 3.1.2-56127_Ubuntu_karmic -> 3.1.2-56127_ubuntu_karmic15:16
ronocseb128, mvo: sure15:16
mvokiwinote: right, I'm not too happy about it myself, but it feels also not right to make summary sometimes return a summary and sometimes not, I think they should be two different functions. were can we put it instead?15:16
mvoronoc: make a backup of the status file15:16
vishkenvandine: any reason why we need both freenode and Ubuntu servers listed in the empathy irc channels list? why do we need both?15:16
mvoronoc: its *super* important :)15:16
ronocmvo: will do15:16
seb128lol15:16
kiwinotemvo: yeah, it's probably best just to leave it as you have it in the meantime15:17
kenvandinevish, i doubt we do15:17
mvokiwinote: thanks, I go over the other ones next15:18
vishkenvandine: yeah , its an Ubuntu addition to the list then? i'v tried to look at every mention of irc and we only say freenode , shall we remove it? /me files bug :)15:19
kiwinotemvo: it's only the deb-files one atm, the speed branch breaks with the new trunk stuff and deb-files branch so I'm fixing that atm, and the history-branch isn't ready yet15:19
bcurtiswxirc-channels.xml i think if the file to edit15:19
bcurtiswxvish, kenvandine:15:19
kenvandinevish, i don't think we add it... but not sure15:19
bcurtiswx^^15:19
kiwinotemvo: although there was actually one for app-install-data coming to think of it, but I'm not quite sure how much of that is auto-generated or not15:20
kenvandinehang on, brb... testing something15:20
mvokiwinote: do you have any thoughts about moving the history into xapian index as well? I was wondering about it as on my system (with loads and loads of changes) the treeview becomes a bit slow15:20
mvokiwinote: most of app-intall-data is auto generated15:21
kiwinotemvo: yes, I think that is the way to go for the history branch15:21
kiwinotemvo: is the generating script available anywhere?15:21
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mvokiwinote: yes, lp:~mvo/archive-crawler/mvo15:25
kiwinotemvo: thanks15:25
mvokiwinote: the interessting parts are probably data/blacklist.cfg and data/blacklist_desktop.cfg15:25
arakenvandine, hey! Has rickspencer3 followed up with you and robertancell with the desktop testing program?15:28
arakenvandine, I was waiting to have lots and lots of testcases in my inbox when coming back from holidays ;-)15:29
seb128hey ara15:32
seb128ronoc, so, any luck?15:32
ronocseb128: nope afraid not15:32
seb128still the same issue?15:32
ronocyes15:32
seb128mvo, ^15:33
seb128ronoc, try dropping the "_" as well?15:34
mvoronoc: oh, that did not help?15:34
kenvandineara, hey... no, he hasn't mentioned it15:35
kenvandineara, and i forgot... got distracted with other stuff :)15:36
kenvandineara, i can whip up a couple today15:36
kenvandineara, what's the link?15:36
ronocseb128: which _ before or after the ubuntu15:39
vishbcurtiswx: kenvandine: filed Bug #613012 :)15:39
ubot2Launchpad bug 613012 in empathy (Ubuntu) "Remove "Ubuntu servers" from irc channel list (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/61301215:39
kenvandinevish, thx15:39
vishseb128: any objection to removing that ^^15:39
vish?15:39
seb128ronoc, both15:40
ronoctrying now15:40
seb128vish, I don't really care, though the name probably speaks better to ubuntu users15:40
seb128vish, btw you really want the restart required string change this way?15:40
arakenvandine, http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Applications15:41
vishseb128: the string is shown only when there is a restart , which is rare and not necessarily a wide menu problem15:41
kenvandineara, thx15:41
didrocks"Ubuntu network/freenode" would maybe help to have only one relevant entry and answer to the two use case (newcomers and people knowing they have to look for freenode)15:41
seb128vish, wouldn't it be better to figure a way to make the thing clear for all locales rather than saying that translators can use a non informative string if they language is verbose compared to english15:41
vishdidrocks: yeah ,for newcomers seems the only reason Ubuntu servers is there ,  thats why i checked the help docs , but everything only refers to freenode o.015:43
seb128vish, reality is that it will lead to menu layout issues15:43
seb128vish, and restart required is not really a corner case, it happens almost every week15:43
didrocksvish: still, I guess a lot of people will only seek for online help and won't look at documentation. Having an "ubuntu" entry can make them more confident (and this one as the default)15:43
ronocseb128, mvo: okay that worked, had to remove the underscores and make the U lower case in both the status and available files15:44
ronocthx guys15:44
mvoronoc: cheers, please make sure to report it15:44
seb128ronoc, thank you, can you make sure you open a dpkg bug with the error and how you workarounded it?15:44
* mvo hugs seb12815:44
seb128mvo, thanks!15:44
* seb128 hugs mvo15:44
mvoactually … I think I will take a short break :)15:44
ronocwill do, seb128 on launchpad ?15:45
seb128ronoc, yes, against dpkg15:45
vishdidrocks: when they seek online help they read the docs right? but the docs only say freenode, why would they choose Ubuntu? irc is a concept a user doesnt really know about , irc is a developer network15:45
ronocgrand15:45
ronocwill do it in the next half hour15:45
seb128ronoc, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dpkg/+filebug15:45
ronocseb128: thx15:46
seb128np15:46
vishseb128: i'v tried to think about making it shorter , but there is no other way to make the option clearer without getting verbose about what that option does or why the icon turned red..15:47
didrocksvish: do you think they really read the doc? (see my last statement, I guess not) but well, I don't have the time to argue about that and don't really care ;)15:47
seb128vish, did we get any actual user complain about the current way it's done?15:47
vishseb128: beats me, [apart from the bug report about the wording], but that has been argued for a while and sabdfl was interested in it for a long time15:49
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seb128vish, I'm pondering if it's better to let the change uploaded then wait for bugs and then point you to screenshot about how it breaks menu layouts and argue than we need to change again then15:52
ronocseb128, mvo: bug #61301815:52
seb128vish, or argue now to convince you that we will spare time by not uploading that change because it will just be weird in many locales15:52
ubot2Launchpad bug 613018 in dpkg (Ubuntu) "dpkg parse error caused by virtual box entry (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/61301815:52
seb128ronoc, thanks15:52
vishseb128: wfm , i just came up with a wording sabdfl liked and submitted the branch :)15:52
vishseb128: /me just a messenger :)15:53
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seb128mvo, want to review and maybe sponsor bug #591470?16:01
ubot2Launchpad bug 591470 in gdebi (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 2 other projects) "Gdebi crashes while trying to install a deb package, TypeError: not enough arguments for format string (affects: 4) (dups: 1) (heat: 92)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59147016:01
mvoseb128: yes16:02
mvothanks16:03
seb128mvo, thank you16:03
bcurtiswxvish: patch submitted for #61301216:10
vishbcurtiswx: sweet!16:10
bcurtiswxvish: what tags go on that now for review?16:15
vishbcurtiswx: once we get kenvandine to upload it , patch-accepted :)16:16
bcurtiswxvish: no patch-needs-review?16:16
vishbcurtiswx: nope , everything tagged "patch" , is a needs-review16:17
vishbcurtiswx: pls no new extra tags, we already have a lot of them ;)16:17
and471nessita, I shall speak to you in a sec, just rebooting after messing around with dbus16:18
bcurtiswxvish: haha, no worry.  I have the ability to reject changing ubuntu-us-dc to -ubuntu-us-statethatsnotastate (referring to US LoCO guidelines) :P16:18
kenvandinevish, so the ubuntu server in empathy is from upstream16:19
kenvandinewe aren't adding that16:19
kenvandinei wonder if they started out with a list of irc servers from a xchat config :)16:19
vishodd , why are /they/ having that too :)16:20
vishsending upstream as well..16:20
kenvandinethx16:20
bcurtiswxvish: it's triaged once you push it upstream16:23
bcurtiswxI have to go work for a little while, g'day all16:23
and471nessita, okay then :)16:30
nessitaand471: rodrigo_ is our tech lead, and Chipaca our manager. I've spoken with both of them about the design incompatibilities16:30
seb128hey nessita16:30
nessitalet's wait for Chipaca16:30
seb128how are you?16:30
nessitahi seb128! how are ya?16:31
seb128I'm fine thanks!16:31
rodrigo_hi and47116:31
nessitaseb128: I'm pretty good :-)16:31
seb128hey rodrigo_16:31
and471rodrigo_, hi16:31
and471mvo, mpt, we are going to speak about the login dialog (incompatibilities etc.)16:31
vishkenvandine: thanks for finding where the problem was , set the patch as well upstream :)16:31
rodrigo_hi seb128, got some rest after prague and the hague? :)16:31
vishsent*16:32
seb128rodrigo_, yes, just enough to got over my GUADECflu16:32
rodrigo_seb128, heh16:32
seb128rodrigo_, weren't you supposed to come at GUADEC?16:32
rodrigo_seb128, no, I was supposed to go to Pague16:32
seb128vish, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~joel-auterson/ubuntu/maverick/ibus/newmenuname/+merge/30391 seems ok to you?16:32
seb128rodrigo_, oh ok, I though you were supposed to do both16:32
rodrigo_seb128, since it was 2 weeks, I just chose Prague, but if I had known, I would have gone to GUADEC16:33
seb128ok16:33
rodrigo_seb128, it looked nice seeing the video streaming16:33
seb128it was nice!16:33
rodrigo_cool16:33
and471seb128, vish, sorry to but in 'Allows you to adjust methods for keyboard input.' could just be 'Adjust methods for keyboard input'16:33
rodrigo_seb128, also, nice that 3.0 is delayed :)16:34
vishand471: snap!16:34
rodrigo_seb128, btw, are you going to ship 2.32 in maverick?16:34
and471seb128, vish, that would seem to fit with other menuitem comments16:34
vishwas about to say the same thing :)16:34
seb128rodrigo_, yeah nice, and yes for 2.3216:34
rodrigo_seb128, ok, cool16:34
seb128and471, no worry, I use the chan to get feedback from people there, can you write that on the merge request?16:35
seb128and471, thanks16:35
and471seb128, sure16:35
Chipacahi :)16:35
nessitalook! a Chipaca!16:35
Chipacawhere! where!16:35
nessitaChipaca, meet and471 and viceversa16:35
seb128seems u1 are taking over you channel! ;-)16:35
* Chipaca looks around, frightened16:35
nessitaseb128: you'll have to use u1 any time soon :-D16:36
seb128you->our16:36
seb128nessita, I will try it just to see how it works to start ;-)16:36
nessitaChipaca, rodrigo_: so, and471 and I were looking at the designs for providing login and reguistration functionalities to the desktop apps16:36
and471Chipaca, hi :)16:37
nessitaand though the backends will behave pretty similar, the frontends were designed by different people (mpt and john lea)16:37
nessitaso they differ :-/16:37
Chipacafor the record16:38
nessitawhat needs to be decided, IMO, is: shall we make any effort in unifying those for this cycle?16:38
and471mpt, mvo, Chipaca, rodrigo_,  basically I cam across the ubuntu-sso-client when doing the login frontend work for software-center and wanted to make sure we could minimise duplication of effort16:38
ChipacaI'm fine with dumping our current design and going with yours16:38
rodrigo_yes, me too, your design looiks better16:38
rodrigo_much more simpler than ours, imo16:38
ChipacaI think it will bring less confusion, and I'd be in favor of less confusion even if it weren't a better design16:38
and471hehe, well thanks but it is mpt's design :D16:38
and471no credit to me :)16:38
Chipacaso, unification ftw :)16:39
and471rodrigo_, Chipaca, I think unification is definitely better, a user doesn't want to have 2 different dialogs for the same thing, they want to be able to recognise it instantly16:39
rodrigo_we need the backend stuff though, so that we can make calls from different apps, without having to implement the SSO REST calls in every app16:39
and471otherwise they could be convinced it was a piece of phishing software etc.16:39
and471rodrigo_, definitely16:40
and471rodrigo_, the backend I am using was done by mvo16:40
rodrigo_and471, what language is your code written in?16:40
and471rodrigo_, but I think they could be merged easily16:40
and471rodrigo_, software-center is in python16:40
rodrigo_and471, ah, a backend? I thought you were doing direct REST calls16:40
nessitaand471: the issue is that the backend that mvo did does not provide a DBus api, that I think we need16:41
and471rodrigo_, if you bzr branch lp:software-center and open sofwtarecenter/backend/restfulclient.py16:41
rodrigo_and471, and, your GUI is inside software center code?16:41
and471rodrigo_, that is where it is, I may be using the wrong terminology16:41
nessitaChipaca: I agree on the merge, but can we do it on time for M?16:41
mptnessita, and471, sorry, in an interview at the moment16:41
and471mpt, no problem we are just complimenting your design :)16:42
nessitaChipaca: that's my biggest concern :-/16:42
rodrigo_because as nessita says, we need to have a dbus interface that fires the dialog outisde from the app making the call to dbus16:42
and471rodrigo_, it is in one file and so could be isolated pretty easily16:42
rodrigo_and471, right, so if we merge, we'd need your GUI to be in ubuntu-sso-client (or any other place that can provide a DBus interface)16:43
and471rodrigo_, the dbus thing is definitely important16:43
rodrigo_yes, it's critical for us16:43
rodrigo_we have apps in different languages needing this16:43
rodrigo_and we don't want to reimplement the REST + GUI in all of them16:43
and471rodrigo_, would it be easy to call the dialog from software-center using dbus, if it were in the ubuntu-sso-client code?16:43
rodrigo_and471, yes, it would just be a few lines of code16:44
and471rodrigo_, the benefit of this unification means the auth_token need only be stored in gnome-keyring once16:44
mvonessita: the backend stuff is very simple, it should trivial to make the UI talk to either dbus or the restfulclient.py stuff16:44
and471not for everyother app16:44
rodrigo_and471, well, you won't call the dialog itself, you would call a method and get signals with the result16:44
mvo(sorry for being late in the discussion)16:44
and471hey mvo, sorry I should have told you about this, I forgot :)16:45
mvoand471: no worries, you handle it fine :)16:45
Chipaca"trivial" and "doable in less than a week" are not the same thing :)16:45
nessitamvo: hi there!16:45
mvohey Chipaca and nessita16:45
Chipacahi :)16:45
Chipacamy concern is that sso is critical and already risky and I want to be really sure we can pull this off16:45
and471rodrigo_, Chipaca, nessita, mvo, I think we all kinda agree it is best if these things are merged, however I think we also need to get the designers to agree on this16:46
seb128chrisccoulson, hey16:46
seb128chrisccoulson, can you get bug #557240 in your upload queue for the next lucid sru you might do?16:46
ubot2Launchpad bug 557240 in ubufox (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 1 other project) "Disable "Report a Problem" menu item for the stable release (affects: 2) (heat: 48)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55724016:46
and471Chipaca, the login dialog is pretty much done once I get my head around the network manager dbus stuff16:46
nessitaand471: what about registration?16:46
chrisccoulsonseb128 - it's already in the queue ;)16:46
and471Chipaca, I don't know how much has been done in ubuntu-sso-client on the login dialog16:46
Chipacaand471: but that work is done, in ubuntu-sso :)16:46
micahgseb128: should we turn that one off, it seems like the last GUI menu to report a bug in the stable release?16:47
seb128chrisccoulson, could you set the merge request to merged and the bug to fix commited?16:47
Chipacaand471: nessita knows more of the details, but it's essentially done16:47
and471nessita, we don't do that, just logging in16:47
Chipacaand we do registration :)16:47
ChipacaI think the winner16:47
Chipacais16:47
Chipacayour design, our backend :)16:47
seb128micahg, we encourage stable user to use "get help" and the answer tracker16:47
ChipacaI'll grab johnlea to make sure he agrees16:47
nessitaChipaca: one thing16:47
and471Chipaca, hehe16:47
and471Chipaca, yup16:47
seb128micahg, users technical enough to open bug reports will find their way to how to do it16:48
Chipacanessita: shoot16:48
nessitaand471, Chipaca: the design of mpt is simpler but we're still needing all the registration screens16:48
and471nessita, definitely16:48
rodrigo_right, it's missing that16:48
nessitaI mean, the first window is awesome as entry point16:48
Chipacait couldn't be simple, could it16:48
chrisccoulsonseb128 - yeah, can do16:48
micahgseb128: ok, does that mean I should watch the answer tracker also for potential issues?16:48
seb128chrisccoulson, thanks16:48
nessitabut then we need to keep using what we developed so far for resgitration, that wasn't trivial at all (lots of headaches)16:49
and471the design is designed to offload registration to the web interface, this could be easily substituted for your registration16:49
nessitaand471: exactly16:49
nessitawhat I'm *extremely* afraid is how we can schedule things so we actually complete the merge16:49
nessitarodrigo_, Chipaca: ^16:49
seb128micahg, do you manage to keep up with incoming bugs? the change was based on the fact that the number of bugs we receive is often low quality and higher traffic than what we can read, usually real bugs find their way to the bug tracker so reading bugs only should be enough16:50
micahgseb128: no, so I guess I already have enough reports...16:50
Chipacanessita: yes, extreme16:50
micahgseb128: thanks16:50
Chipacabut... so tempting!16:50
rodrigo_nessita, right16:50
seb128micahg, ok, np16:50
nessitaChipaca: we should have the merge ready for... today?16:51
nessita:-D16:51
Chipacanessita: rodrigo_: and471: one way forwrad16:51
Chipacaforward, also16:51
micahgseb128: oh, I wanted to ask you about gjs, Debian did a mini soname transistion to libgjs0a, should I take that change and update any rdepends?16:51
Chipacanessita: rodrigo_: and471: would be to take and471 implementation of the design, slap in the registration bit of your implementation of the other design knowing it is ugly as anything and doesn't match, but still have a single client adn a single way of doing it16:51
seb128micahg, I'm not sure why they did it but I guess we can as well follow their naming so that would be nice if you can16:52
Chipacaand then, actually merge the designs in the time before ui freeze16:52
Chipacaso, merge it the quickest, ugliest way16:52
Chipacaso we have the features in line and quacking16:52
and471Chipaca, how different are the designs?16:52
nessitaand471: did you use glade for the UI?16:52
micahgseb128: ok, will do, I think they did it for the 0.7 bump actually16:52
and471nessita, yes16:52
seb128micahg, thanks16:53
Chipacaheh, so it's a copy-and-paste job :-p16:53
and471:)16:53
rodrigo_Chipaca, sounds good16:53
* Chipaca knows he's oversymplifying16:53
rodrigo_nessita, does it sound feasible for you?16:53
Chipacai think her head exploded16:54
nessitaI'm thinking16:54
Chipaca:-p16:54
nessitahonestly, I don't "see" the merge. So it's almost impossible for me to commit to it :-(16:54
nessitathough I want to have it16:54
nessitaChipaca: we need to have this working for next... Thurday\?16:55
Chipacaah. Yes, you have far more details to merge than I have :)16:55
Chipacawe need it *in M* by 0z thursday16:55
Chipacaof next week16:55
nessitaChipaca: we need to merge glade files, test cases, frontend glue16:55
nessitaI'm loving the idea, but can we define a backup plan?16:56
and471nessita, glade files should be easy, I don't think we have tests for it yet :)16:56
nessitaand471: BAD BOY16:56
and471nessita, I think backup would just be continue as we are16:56
nessitaChipaca: miralo! they don't have tests...16:56
and471nessita, have separate dialogs and then work on it for N16:56
and471nessita, hey just for the dialog...16:57
nessitaand471: how can I trust your code if they don't have tests?16:57
Chipacanessita: I was about to say, I dont think too many people do tdd as we do it16:57
nessita:-)16:57
Chipacabackup plan16:57
nessitaChipaca: ok, so this is another delta of risk to add to the schedule16:57
nessita(the lack of tests)16:57
Chipacanessita: not really16:57
nessitano?16:57
Chipacanessita: the backend is ours, and it's tested16:57
Chipacanessita: so the missing tests are on part of the frontend16:58
nessitayes16:58
Chipacanessita: it's a risk we can carry forward, part of the merge that doens't have to be done so early16:58
Chipacaso, a risk for the quality of M16:58
Chipacabut not a risk for us getting the feature in16:58
nessitaright16:58
Chipacathere's a thin line :)16:58
nessitaagreed16:59
Chipacabackup plan: if by *Friday* the merge isn't done, we revert to shipping separately16:59
Chipacawhere "done" will be your call if you want to make it, but I can do it if it's too much pressure16:59
and471Chipaca, good idea, I am on holiday on friday XD16:59
nessitaChipaca: who will be tackling which part of the merge? byt parts I mean:17:00
and471nessita, what would you need me to do as part of the merge?17:00
nessita* merging the dialog into ubuntu-sso (I can do that)17:00
bl8ronoc: Update done, with Raise() : http://gitorious.org/~bl8/banshee/bl8-clone/commits/mpris17:00
and471nessita, if you need me to help at all :)17:00
Chipacanessita: and471: you two guys are probably the most knowledgeable about that. alecu also.17:00
nessita* using the Dbus service in software center (volunteers? :-))17:00
ChipacaI can't really call those shots :)17:00
and471nessita, sorry I am clueless about dbus17:01
ronocbl8 excellent thx dude17:01
Chipacaand471: would you be confortable doing the glade merge, so nessita can do the dbus on software center?17:01
nessitaand471: maybe mvo can give us a hand?17:01
Chipacaoooh, smart :)17:01
soby anyone help me in fixing my audio on my laptop....its not working.17:02
and471Chipaca, I can do glade definitely, but I don't know what the merging will then look like17:02
and471soby, try #ubuntu17:02
sobyok17:02
and471Chipaca, i.e. what are we using from each?17:02
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nessitaChipaca: I prefer rto do the merge of the visual part, if possible17:02
nessitaand471: I can certainly use your help on splitting the code (isolating it)17:03
and471nessita, sure, though I must stress it is pretty isolated :)17:04
Chipacaooh, look, an mvo!17:04
and471hehe17:04
nessitaan  mvo!!!17:04
mvoI'm back!17:04
mvonetwork issues17:04
Chipacamvo: we're shooting for the merge17:05
mvocoooool17:05
Chipacamvo: but, we're really right17:05
mvoright? or tight (timewise?)17:05
Chipacamvo: can you do the dbus calls in software center?17:05
Chipacatight17:05
Chipacatight, typo. rypo typo.17:05
mvosure, dubs is no problem17:05
nessitaueeeeeeeeee17:05
Chipacano, I mean17:05
Chipacacan you *do* them :)17:05
Chipacawrite the code17:05
Chipacaso we don't have to worry about it17:05
nessitamvo: of course we'll provide the API and stuff17:06
mvoyeah, that should be fine17:06
* Chipaca dances17:06
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mvoI think its the right thing to do17:06
mvoso I'm happy to support you :)17:06
mvoand I'm also happy to see the work from and471 getting used, I think its pretty sweet17:06
mvo(the UI)17:06
Chipacawe just move to the next quantum level of crazy for the rest of the week. Pah!17:06
rodrigo_cool :)17:07
and471nessita, this is the only specific code http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/472710/17:07
and471hehe17:07
and471mvo, thanks :)17:07
and471so can someone write up a list of tasks on a wiki page?17:07
rodrigo_so, and471: can you help nessita in doing the merge?17:07
and471rodrigo_, yup, until Friday, then I am off17:07
rodrigo_ok, nessita, is that ok then?17:08
nessitaand471: Friday you're on or until Thrusday?17:08
and471nessita, Thursday will be the last day I can do it17:08
nessitarodrigo_, Chipaca: I'm still digesting this :-) but I think we'll nail this17:08
rodrigo_ok!17:08
rodrigo_yay for merging!! :D17:09
and471:)17:09
nessitaand471: perfect. So, today I can't start doing this, I'm still binding our backend to our frontend17:09
nessitaand471: but I'd like to meet with you tomorrow 8am my time17:09
nessitathat would be for you...17:09
nessitabetter 8:30am :-D17:09
* and471 calls up wolframalhpa again...17:10
and47111:3017:10
nessitaand471: does that work for you?17:10
and471nessita, sounds good17:10
and471nessita, hehe yep17:10
nessitaand471: ok then!17:11
* nessita shivers17:11
and471nessita, the rest of today I shall lift the login code out into a completely new file, so it should not have any software-center ties17:11
nessitaand471: *awesome*17:11
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nessitawell, I think now I'm gonna go to scream a bit in the balcony, and then come back to do some more work17:11
and471hehe17:12
and471Chipaca, you seem to have best overview of all of this, could you write up a plan of action?17:12
nessitaChipaca: are you clearing this out with design team?17:12
Chipacaand471: I'll try17:13
Chipacanessita: I will17:13
* nessita loves not to have to deal with talking to people :-D17:14
and471Chipaca, thanks17:14
Chipacaand471: i'll probably pester you and nessita about the details. The steps in my head are 1. merge, 2. profit17:15
Chipaca:)17:15
Chipacanessita: my pleasure; you're better at building stuff than I am anyway :)17:15
and471sounds about right17:15
mvoprofit!17:17
gicmoPROFIT!17:18
mvo:)17:24
* mvo hugs gicmo17:25
rodrigo_hey gicmo17:25
and471nessita, does your backend hook into gnome-keyring yet?17:25
nessitaand471: it will, since today or tomorrow17:26
nessitaand471: alecu is working on that, if you need to ask him something17:26
and471nessita, it is just that I have already done it, so I could give him the code17:26
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and471nessita, what is his IRC nick?17:27
nessitaand471: yes please! alecu17:28
seb128sorry u1-ers but it's meeting time for the desktop team now so you will have to be quiet or move to another channel ;-)17:29
seb128chrisccoulson, didrocks, tremolux, Riddell, kenvandine, pitti, hey17:30
nessitaseb128: no problem, thanks for the patience!17:30
Riddellhi17:30
seb128(did I forget anybody?)17:30
* tremolux waves17:30
seb128rickspencer is on holidays this week17:30
seb128so I'm leading the meeting17:30
ArneGoetjeHi all... I'm still around.17:30
seb128hey ArneGoetje17:30
seb128ok, nice ;-)17:30
* kenvandine waves17:30
seb128ok, so let's get started17:31
didrockshey17:31
seb128not outstanding action it seems17:31
gicmohey mvo!17:31
* gicmo hugs mvo back17:31
gicmohey rodrigo_17:31
seb128kenvandine, partner update?17:31
kenvandinesure17:32
gicmorodrigo_, what was your lame excuse for not coming to GUADEC again?17:32
gicmo;-)17:32
rodrigo_gicmo, how you're doing?17:32
kenvandineUbuntuOne "generations" work has landed for the client, this is the peformance improvements for file sync.  There are still a few items to finish on the server side, but that will be done very soon.17:32
rodrigo_gicmo, didn't want to see you :)17:32
gicmorodrigo_, ahh, valid reason I guess!17:32
gicmo;-)17:32
kenvandinesingle signon client is about ready, but blocked on server deployment by ISD.  ubuntuone-preferences and the music store plugin are ready to use it if it lands.  If the sso client doesn't make it, they gracefully fall back to the web login.17:32
rodrigo_gicmo, no, seriously, I had a travel the week before for the platform spring17:32
rodrigo_sprint17:32
gicmoah!17:32
gicmoi see17:32
seb128rodrigo_, gicmo: sorry but we are having a meeting there17:32
rodrigo_gicmo, so didn't feel like being 2 weeks away17:32
rodrigo_oh sorry17:32
seb128rodrigo_, gicmo: can you move to query?17:32
gicmosure, sorry seb17:33
seb128thanks17:33
kenvandineso U1 is looking ok for a3... sso didn't make it for a3 but that is pretty low risk i think if we get it soon17:33
seb128ok17:33
seb128I hope they will work on improving the changes they did this cycle17:33
kenvandineDX has been keeping a great schedule of getting stuff out, things are in pretty good shape17:33
Chipacaand471: do you have a screenshot? I'm talking with johnlea :)17:33
seb128especially the nautilus and rhythmbox ones17:34
kenvandineseb128, well the generations stuff should be a big improvement for file sync17:34
seb128we got bugs about nautilus being quite slow due to u117:34
kenvandineyeah17:34
seb128and the rb u1 icon in the bar is weird17:34
seb128the dialog with no "close" but just "tweet" as well17:34
mvoand471, Chipaca: I'm off for dinner, but if there is anything I can help with the merge, please let me know I will read scrollback17:34
kenvandineis there a bug on that?17:34
kenvandinethat could be ported to use libgwibber :)17:35
kenvandineand the icon should probably look different17:35
seb128dunno, I will open one later if not17:35
kenvandineor be represented differently17:35
kenvandineplease assign the ubuntu bug to me17:35
kenvandineso i see it17:35
seb128kenvandine, dx do you know where we stand concerning the connman indicator?17:35
kenvandineright now it is confusing imho17:35
seb128kenvandine, ok17:35
kenvandinei think the plan is to go with connman in une still, right?17:36
kenvandinedidrocks, ^^17:36
seb128I doubt it17:36
kenvandinei asked kvalo about that in prague17:36
kenvandinehe thought we still would... but i know OEMs don'e want it17:36
kenvandineyet17:36
didrockskenvandine: no, we talked about it together in Prague, it will be very late for the change17:36
seb128ok, I will follow up with you guys and dx about that later17:36
kenvandineok17:36
seb128thanks kenvandine17:36
kenvandinethat is all i have17:36
seb128does anybody has other questions for kenvandine?17:37
didrocksno question for me17:37
seb128ok17:37
seb128let's move on17:37
seb128Riddell, hey17:38
seb128Riddell, kubuntu update?17:38
Riddellafternoon17:38
chrisccoulsonb'ah, i don't get notified in the indicator anymore when someone highlights me in xchat17:38
Riddell - 4.5.0 is in the archive and compiled, although some changes from upstream are still possible and kde-l10n needs to be uploaded again17:38
Riddell - CDs for alpha 3 due to be spinned after this publisher run17:38
Riddell - message indicator on for chat but not e-mail clients following kubuntu meeting decision17:38
Riddell - yay our new website finally went live17:38
Riddell - reverted back to dragon video player, kaffeine has issues17:38
Riddell - ubuntuone-kde file syncing progressing well, mostly blocked on 'upstream' merging patches to support kwallet17:38
Riddellin unrelated news, libmpcdec3 did a transition to libmpcdec6 and gstreamer needs to update, who does that?17:39
seb128did debian did the same transition?17:39
Riddellyes17:40
seb128I guess any motu who wants to rebuild it or resync on debian17:41
seb128since it's in universe17:41
Riddellok17:41
seb128feel free to do an upload if you want17:41
kenvandineRiddell, upstreaming being OLS right?17:42
Riddellkenvandine: yes17:42
kenvandineRiddell, feel free to point me at those patches and i will get on them about it :)17:42
Riddellkenvandine: https://code.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/ubuntuone-client/kwallet-support/+merge/31117:43
micahgRiddell: bug 611024 is for the libmpcdec transition, seems gstreamer was forgotten17:43
ubot2Launchpad bug 611024 in xmms2 (Ubuntu) (and 13 other projects) "Rebuild for libmpcdec3 → libmpcdec6 transition (affects: 2) (heat: 16)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/61102417:43
Riddellno https://code.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/ubuntuone-client/kwallet-support/+merge/3113817:43
Riddellhttps://code.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/desktopcouch/kwallet-support/+merge/3113517:43
seb128Riddell, thanks17:44
seb128anybody having questions or comments about the kubuntu update?17:44
seb128seems not, moving on17:45
seb128didrocks, UNE update?17:45
didrockssure17:45
didrocksFresh unity from Monday, ready for rocking A3:17:45
didrocks* add support for places in the launcher17:45
didrocksimproved power and CPU management (more to come!)17:45
didrocksbrowseable unity-place-files17:45
didrockslot of bug fixes17:45
didrocksUNE got shotwell by default for A3!17:45
didrocksevolution and banshee got dedicated desktop file for UNE session but not showing up in the session (bug in unity-place-applications)17:46
didrocksbanshee still wait on the udev backend to be merged into trunk17:46
didrocksthat's it, A3 is looking good in a nutshell :)17:46
seb128didrocks, do you still have any mir pending approval?17:46
seb128didrocks, if you do please ping asac about those17:47
didrocks(special kudos to pitti for the image size)17:47
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didrocksseb128: there will be two: banshee once the udev backend is there, and another one for zg-extension with the new zg17:47
seb128ok17:47
didrocksbut for now, I'm not blocked17:47
seb128alright17:47
seb128didrocks, nice job!17:47
chrisccoulsonand mir for chromium too?17:47
seb128chrisccoulson, let's come back in that after the status updates17:48
chrisccoulsonok, carry on ;)17:48
seb128didrocks, thanks17:48
seb128didrocks, I don't think will still need you, feel free to run for your dinner17:48
seb128ok, moving on17:49
seb128tremolux, hey17:49
tremoluxseb128: hi!17:49
tremoluxof, s-c update:17:49
didrocksseb128: thanks a lot, still some free minutes there :)17:49
tremoluxBuy Something: Good progress client and server, end-to-end integration demoed in Prague with test server; now refining UI, improve error handling, integrate metadata support17:49
tremoluxNew Apps: New apps displayed in carousel and in list ordered by date they appeared (newest first), custom metadata and LP icon support near-complete17:49
tremoluxUI Enhancements: Added support to detect and display packages for which there is not an associated repository (or it has been disabled)17:49
tremoluxGeneral: We nailed down a plan at Prague rally for long-term server-side metadata capabilities (meanwhile we are using current LP facility)17:49
tremolux(detailed report on wiki, thanks!)17:49
tremolux(woah, large)17:49
seb128tremolux, thanks17:51
tremoluxseb128: sure thing  :)17:51
tremoluxI think we are in good shape for a317:51
seb128impressive work going on s-c this cycle, kudos to you, mvo, didrocks and other contributors ;-)17:51
tremoluxthanks a lot seb128  :)17:52
seb128anybody having any s-c related question?17:52
seb128didrocks landed oneconf to maverick this week on a similar note if people want to test it17:52
seb128ok, moving on17:53
seb128the freeze for alpha3 started today17:53
seb128you are welcome to help testing iso if you can17:53
seb128http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-desktop-team-maverick-alpha-3.html17:54
seb128that's our workitems line for this cycle17:54
seb128not really great but it got a bit unregular due to holidays, confs, travelling, etc17:54
seb128we postponed and dropped some specs but nothing which was important17:55
seb128chrisccoulson, kenvandine, tremolux: you still have one work item, if you don't get it done by thursday please don't forget to move it to beta17:56
kenvandinewill do17:56
seb128other remaining items are mostly raof17:56
tremoluxwill do17:56
seb128now is about time to get your list of work items for next iteration on shape as well17:56
seb128ideally we would have those defined before alpha317:57
seb128so please try to spend some time on that this week17:57
seb128don't take over what you can do17:57
seb128and let's try to take holidays and conferences into account this cycle17:57
seb128so if you are away during august please adjust your workitems count to reflect that17:57
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seb128ok17:59
seb128that said, going back to chrisccoulson's question17:59
seb128chrisccoulson, chromium? ;-)17:59
seb128chrisccoulson, how is your workload atm? settling down a bit after the firefox security updates?18:00
chrisccoulsonyeah, i've had time to do other maintenance activities, write a firefox extension and write a bot for uploading symbols to mozilla18:00
seb128nice18:00
chrisccoulsonit's been a nice change :)18:00
seb128how is the firefox bug to upstream thing going?18:01
chrisccoulsonyeah, we're mostly there. i'm currently blocked on being able to push the crash symbols from the datacenter, but i'm talking to IS about that now18:01
seb128ok18:02
chrisccoulsonso i'll probably be uploading symbols manually in the meantime, which is not good for my bandwidth ;)18:02
seb128chrisccoulson, do you think you will have some time for chromium to check with the security team and fta what implication moving to main would have?18:02
chrisccoulsonyeah, sure. we need fta to still be able to upload it really18:03
seb128chrisccoulson, we also need to figure what to do for translations, I guess for now it would just not have langpacks or translations stripping18:03
seb128chrisccoulson, do we have rdepends that will need to be promoted as well if we promote chromium?18:03
chrisccoulsoni'm not sure yet, i'll look at that though18:03
seb128ok18:04
seb128can you take an action item to check that for next meeting?18:04
chrisccoulsonyeah, can do18:04
chrisccoulsonalso,18:04
seb128[ACTION] chrisccoulson to check chromium rdepends and to figure what implication promoting it would have for security and contributors18:04
chrisccoulsonpeople are still having issues with buildd capacity (particularly with PPA's), and that's going to get a whole lot worse with chromium in main18:04
Chipacaand471: mvo: nessita: rodrigo_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TheGreatUbuntuSingleSignOnClientsMergeOf2010 (WIP)18:05
chrisccoulsoni'm not sure how we're going to handle that ;)18:05
seb128chrisccoulson, we got an ack for extra buildds18:05
seb128so the situations should be better rsn18:05
seb128I'm not sure when rsn is though ;-)18:05
chrisccoulsonseb128 - cool, thanks18:05
chrisccoulsonfta^^^18:05
seb128ok18:06
seb128any other topic? questions? comment?18:06
ftachrisccoulson, yeah, i won't hold my breath on that though18:06
seb128ok, seems note18:08
seb128thanks everybody, and don't forget to get your beta work items in shape this week18:08
* kenvandine waves18:08
kenvandineseb128, get a chance to look at libgwibber?18:08
Chipacasorry for interrupting :-/18:08
kenvandineChipaca, done now :)18:09
seb128kenvandine, ups, doing that now18:09
kenvandineChipaca, PROFIT18:09
kenvandine+!18:09
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tremoluxthanks all!18:12
* tremolux goes in search of lunch18:12
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and471Chipaca, thanks18:13
Chipacanessita: and471: mvo: I've added some real steps, if you could take a look and add/edit, much appreciation and plenty of lauding will happen18:13
seb128kenvandine, for the gir binaries you should use ${gir:Depends}18:16
kenvandineok18:16
seb128kenvandine, and call dh_girepository in the rules18:16
seb128kenvandine, rather than listing gir depends by hand ;-)18:17
seb128kenvandine, you can use libwnck or gnome-menus as an example18:17
kenvandineah, then i can drop those?18:17
kenvandinecool18:17
seb128yes, it's working as shlibs:Depends18:17
seb128kenvandine, documentations binaries should be arch all18:17
and471nessita, I am writing up a document that outlines how the frontend accesses the backend so it should be easy to port18:18
seb128kenvandine, gir1.0-gwibber-gtk-0.0 please copy the second part of the gir1.0-gwibber-0.0 description as well18:18
seb128kenvandine, ie the "This package can be used by other packages using the GIRepository format to..."18:18
kenvandineok18:19
seb128kenvandine, "This package contains files that are needed to build applications." is not correct for the documentation binaries ;-)18:19
kenvandinetrue :)18:20
* kenvandine hates writing descriptions :)18:20
seb128don't tell me ;-)18:20
seb128lot of binaries in that one, that's boring work18:20
seb128kenvandine, "Copyright (C) 2010 Neil Jagdish Patel"18:21
seb128should go in the debian copyright as well18:22
seb128quite some sources have it18:22
kenvandineyeah... and i think i copied some of that from stuff from dbusmenu before debian fixed it all up :)18:22
kenvandineah, right18:22
seb128kenvandine, I think you should better put the packaging copyright under the same license has the source18:23
kenvandinewell, it seems weird to me to license packaging lgpl18:23
seb128I think the debian guys complaining about the packaging being GPL and the source LGPL last time18:23
kenvandinenothing links to it :)18:23
seb128juil. 19 17:12:35 <Np237>       pochu: if the packaging is GPLv3 that makes the binaries GPLv3, this will cause a lot of trouble.18:24
seb128juil. 19 17:14:09 <Np237>       pochu: then if the packaging is just 10 lines of cdbs, it’s not copyrightable18:24
kenvandineindeed18:24
* kenvandine will change it though... no strong opinions, it's just weird18:24
seb128well I'm not sure in practice it makes any difference18:24
seb128right, same here18:24
seb128I don't really care18:25
seb128but if somebody has a strong opinion about it I'm curious to know what difference it makes ;-)18:25
kenvandine:)18:25
kenvandineseb128, anything else?18:27
seb128kenvandine, I'm checking the build result now but seems fine otherwise18:27
* kenvandine does a test build with the gir:Depends change18:27
seb128kenvandine, seems fine to me18:32
seb128kenvandine, great work!18:32
and471Chipaca, hehe, epic name for the wikipage XD18:33
Chipaca:) it needs an introduction along the lines of "it was the year 2010, and <yadda yadda>"18:34
kenvandineseb128, thx, pushed my changes18:34
kenvandinewell, pushing...18:34
kenvandinedone :)18:34
and471:)18:34
pochuseb128: since I've been highlighted :) AFAIUI, the stuff you use to build something affects its license, that's why e.g. config.guess is GPL but has an exception to relicense it as your program18:36
and471Chipaca, representatives spanning the globes put their age-old differences aside to do one thing...18:36
pochu# As a special exception to the GNU General Public License, if you18:36
pochu# distribute this file as part of a program that contains a18:36
pochu# configuration script generated by Autoconf, you may include it under18:36
pochu# the same distribution terms that you use for the rest of that program.18:36
pochuseb128: so the packaging could be GPL as long as it included such an exception ;)18:36
and471*globe18:36
seb128hey pochu, how are you? ;-)18:36
pochuIANAL though, so I may be wrong :)18:36
kenvandineseb128, can you sponsor to universe?18:36
kenvandinepochu, me either :)18:36
pochuseb128: hi :) fine, enjoying holidays ;)18:37
seb128kenvandine, yes, but it's about time you run for MOTU ;-)18:37
kenvandineyeah yeah :)18:37
kenvandinei'll do my application18:37
pochuseb128: how are you?18:37
seb128thanks18:37
seb128pochu, I'm fine thank you, had fun a the canonical distro sprint and at GUADEC, got a conference flu at the end to change and I'm catching up with what happened during those 2 weeks now18:38
seb128kenvandine, would be nice to use .symbols for new packages btw18:39
pochuoh GUADEC :) I wanted to attend it & GHM, but I ended attending none of them...18:40
seb128kenvandine, uploaded18:44
kenvandineseb128, i haven't done a package from scratch using symbols, i guess just drop the DEB_DH_MAKESHLIBS_ARGS and use what gets created for me at build?18:44
kenvandineseb128, thx18:44
seb128kenvandine, drop that but nothing get created for you at build18:45
seb128sec18:46
seb128kenvandine, just run "dpkg-gensymbols -pbinary" after the build18:46
seb128it will give you a diff for "binary"18:46
seb128ie "dpkg-gensymbols -plibgwibber0"18:47
kenvandineok18:47
seb128you can apply it as libgwibber0.symbols18:47
mptand471, nessita, hi, what's up?18:50
seb128kenvandine,18:50
seb128dpkg-gensymbols -plibgwibber0 -v0.0.2 -Odebian/libgwibber0.symbols18:50
and471hey mpt18:51
kenvandinedone already18:51
seb128kenvandine, run that for example in the build dir18:51
and471mpt, basically we want to merge the login dialog for the ubuntu one client and SC18:51
seb128kenvandine, ok, just make sure to use 0.0.2 not 0.0.2-0ubuntu1, revisions are often not needed18:51
kenvandinei didn't specify -v, but sed fixed me up18:51
kenvandineyeah18:51
seb128;-)18:51
and471mpt, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TheGreatUbuntuSingleSignOnClientsMergeOf201018:51
and471mpt, that is all the coding stuff18:51
mptschweet18:51
seb128with some luck you can get Riddell to NEW review it, he was doing archive work18:51
seb128anyway dinner time there18:52
seb128bbl18:52
and471mpt, maybe you want to talk to Chipaca, he was speaking with johnlea about the design side18:52
kenvandinethx seb12818:52
Chipacampt: yep18:52
kenvandineRiddell, can you NEW libgwibber?18:52
Riddellkenvandine: will you try and get those patched marged in return? :)18:53
kenvandinealready did my part :)18:53
kenvandinejosh is going to ride those guys hard until it gets done :)18:53
kenvandineChipaca, your team should be worried :-p18:53
mptand471, is "self.window_main" the ID of the parent window that the dialog should be modal to?18:53
and471mpt, yup, you doing some coding ? :D18:54
Chipacampt: we're taking and471's work and kludging in registration support from our code and patching everything up with duck tape to get it in before feature freeze (I might be overexaggerating the kludginess), and then port ui tests and fixes (and porbably rework the ui quite a bit) in time for the beta18:54
Chipacakenvandine: yes. But also, awesome :)18:54
Chipacampt: mvo will hook things up via dbus (our thing is called over dbus), and the rest should just be as it is18:55
mptand471, no, I was just going to say "make sure the dialog can be modal to its parent" but then I looked at your pastebin18:56
Chipacampt: so, I'll be asking either you or johnlea to help with the de-nauseating of the registration mashup, but there is no urgency for that work (where "urgent" is this week, and "not urgent" is *next* week :) )18:56
and471Chipaca, yes that is true, over dbus we need to have the ability to dialog.set_transient_for, I assume this is possible?18:57
mptChipaca, ok, got a screenshot/movie of how bad the transition is right now, so I can think about it overnight?18:57
Chipacampt: no, the mashup is happening. And, this is very risky, and if we're not done by Friday we'll abort.18:57
Chipacampt: on Friday, if we're done, we can show you it.18:57
Chipacawhere "done" means ... that we can show you it, essentially18:58
mptChipaca, fair enough.18:58
mptnessita, is the registration step the one you happened to be doing when I interviewed you about specs?18:58
mptThe one with the captcha in it18:58
nessitampt: exactly18:58
Chipacayes, that's the one18:59
nessitampt: wanna a link to the spec?18:59
mptSerendipity.18:59
Chipacampt: yes18:59
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Chipacathings suddenly went click :)18:59
Chipacaof course, they couldn't go click week before last, could they? no, of course not18:59
and471mpt, nessita, rodrigo_, Chipaca, mvo,  anyonelse: gotta, good luck everyone, we can do this!18:59
mptand471 apparently used up all his "go" tiles in that last line19:06
mptnessita, if you have it handy, sure, otherwise just e-mail it to me when you're next there19:07
Chipacahttps://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/Doc?docid=0AU5sFuLRpCpBZGZra2pqY2pfODY2Z3RnbTl2Z3E&hl=en_GB19:08
nessitampt: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/Doc?docid=0AU5sFuLRpCpBZGZra2pqY2pfODY2Z3RnbTl2Z3E&hl=en_GB19:08
nessitaoh! so close19:08
Chipacait should just work without the a/canonical.com also19:08
* mpt is glad those weren't two different URLs19:08
Chipacahehe19:08
Chipacathat has happened so many times it's no longer funny. Except that it is.19:08
mptChipaca, sooooo .... Having an Ubuntu One account is still one step further than having an Ubuntu SSO account, right?19:10
nessitampt: all the "Ubuntu One" string are replaced by a paremete "application_name"19:11
Chipacampt: having an ubuntu one *subscription* is19:11
nessitampt: so the ubuntu-sso-client is ubuntu one ignorant19:11
Chipacatell it, nessita :)19:11
micahgseb128: I just remembered one potential issue w/chromium in main19:11
nessitampt: the login/registration service that we're implementing will receive the app name and the app T&C as parameters19:12
nessitampt: and that's what we'll show to the end user19:12
nessitampt: does that make sense?19:12
mptnessita, does USSO by itself have terms and conditions?19:15
nessitampt: nopes19:16
mpt(Sorry, just had to go take some photos of a guy testing his Lady Gaga costume)19:16
pittire19:16
pittinessita: hello, how are you?19:17
nessitampt: the ubuntu-sso expects the link to the T&C as parameter19:17
pittiseb128: sorry, missed the meeting; had three non-stop meetings before19:17
nessitapitti: you forgot about me already? :-/19:17
pittinessita: ? if I did, would I greet yoU? :-)19:17
nessitapitti: we shared a shisha and now you have no idea who I am? I'm insulted19:17
nessita:-P19:17
* pitti checks again his current understanding of "how" vs "who"19:18
nessitapitti: wow! I'm so burned out19:18
nessitaI read "who"19:18
* pitti throws a broken brightness key towards nessita19:18
pittinessita: ah, *phew*; that was a bit irritating :)19:18
mptnessita, so it could hide the checkbox if fed a null value, or something19:19
Chipacanessita: don't overdo it. We don't need the whole thing done today.19:19
nessitapitti: you have to understand, my manager is trying to squeeze my head up to unknown limits, so I'm a bit delusional at this point19:19
* Chipaca whistles innocently19:19
nessitampt: I find that cheesy, I think we always will have T&C, right?19:19
nessitapitti: how are you?19:20
pittinessita: erk.. they (heads) usually work best when not being under deformative stress..19:20
nessita:-D19:20
pittinessita: quite well, thanks; cobbled together something that actually installs for alpha-3 :)19:20
mptnessita, I don't see why we'd need any for buying software.19:20
pittimpt: guy in Lady Gaga costume> show! show! show!19:21
nessitampt: anyways, I'd love if you can discuss that details with Chipaca and johnlea, since I need as much as I can to actually "code"19:21
* pitti remembers Christopher Street Day in Munich a few weeks ago19:21
* pitti realizes he's blatantly interrupting a work conversations and quietly retreats19:21
nessitampt: as much *time* as I can, I meant19:22
mptnessita, ok, thanks for your time.19:22
nessitaChipaca: would you please handle/mediate the design issues? I'll be happy to implement what you decided as long as is doable :-D19:22
Chipacanessita: en serio, take it easy. I'll handle it.19:23
nessitampt: thank you! I promise I'll be more verbose after feature freeze (but I've been having short meetings all day long :-))19:23
mptChipaca, a fun problem is that the "Join Ubuntu One" button expects to take you somewhere that has an e-mail address field, but by the time you've chosen "I want to register for an account now" you've already entered your e-mail address.19:23
nessitaChipaca: ack, cambio y fuera19:23
Chipacampt: re the t&c, I'm afraid I agree with nessita: most places that ask for username/password have t&c, even more so if they're for buying things19:25
Chipacampt: however, I also think a tool should allow its user to shoot at anything they want to19:26
mptWell maybe someone will give us T&C at some point, but nobody *has*.19:26
Chipacampt: and more pragmatically: if the software center doesn't have t&a, then we need to not show the button (or scramble to get them written)19:26
Chipacaer, t&c19:27
mptNot the best typo ever19:27
Chipacahey, we're in alpha :-)19:27
mptbut we do have plans to make USC look sexier19:27
ChipacaI suspect not in this particular direction19:28
mptno19:28
Chipacampt: as soon as there is something done we can talk about, you want to spend a while going over the app? I'm sure there will be a lot of low-hanging fruit19:29
Chipacalong-hanging, fermenting fruit19:29
Chipacampt: that will probably be Friday, but maybe before that. Don't tell nessita I said that.19:31
mptChipaca, realistically, I won't have time before that.19:31
mptAnd Naty's #1 wish right now is quite possibly for people to stop using her IRC nick in conversation. :-)19:31
* Chipaca stops19:32
seb128pitti, no worry19:32
seb128micahg, which one?19:32
vishseb128: wb , https://code.launchpad.net/~joel-auterson/ubuntu/maverick/ibus/newmenuname/+merge/31667 has been updated19:33
micahgseb128: the fact that they're moving to major updates every 6 weeks19:33
seb128vish, thanks19:33
vishseb128: thanks :)19:33
seb128micahg, that's an issue because...?19:33
micahgseb128: well, regression testing every 6 weeks?19:34
micahgseb128: full version bumps, not minor like we've been doing19:34
seb128micahg, well we will have to deal with that anyway, reality is that increasing number of users and customers will use it19:34
micahgif it's not an issue, great19:34
seb128well I don't say it's not an issue19:35
seb128we have to define how we deal with the updates19:35
micahgk, just wanted to make sure it was out there19:35
seb128we will likely get closer or shipping what upstream provides and tell user to deal with upstream directly if they run into issues19:35
seb128micahg, thanks for raising your concerns ;-)19:36
micahgseb128: np19:36
* micahg still needs to write an apport hook for chromium 19:36
* micahg also needs to dig up the notes from that UDS session :)19:37
mptRats, now I'll be wondering about that e-mail address problem all night. I guess I knew something like that would happen.19:37
seb128kenvandine, libgwibber failed to build19:38
seb128kenvandine, you need to build-depends on gir1.0-dbus-1.019:39
seb128kenvandine, gir1.0-gwibber-gtk-0.0 depends suggests you might need gir1.0-atk-1.0 gir1.0-freedesktop gir1.0-gdkpixbuf-2.0 gir1.0-gtk-2.0 gir1.0-pango-1.0 as well19:40
seb128gir1.0-gwibber-0.0 seems fine out of the gir1.0-dbus-1.0 one19:40
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seb128kenvandine, let me know if you need sponsoring with it later19:43
kenvandineseb128, yeah, fixed already19:45
kenvandinetesting in pbuilder19:45
kenvandineit built in pbuilder before the switch to gir:Depends19:45
kenvandineso i wonder if having the depends implies build depends?19:46
seb128could be19:46
seb128but in any case it means you lacked depends before19:46
kenvandinegir1.0-gtk-2.0 brings in the others i think19:47
pittiin general, if you use symbols from a package, you should depend on it instead of relying on transitive dependencies19:48
kenvandineok19:48
seb128pitti, that's gobject-introspection so different from the normal library world19:48
seb128but right19:48
pittiseb128: right, but I think the same principle appears there, too19:48
seb128indeed19:48
pittior normal tools, too19:48
kenvandineout of those gir1.0-gtk-2.0 depends, only only directly use a couple19:49
kenvandinebut without them all installed, gir1.0-gtk-2.0 won't work at all19:49
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seb128rodrigo_, do you still plan to get bug #591873 uploaded?20:07
ubot2Launchpad bug 591873 in couchdb-glib (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 1 other project) "couchdb-glib sets its own, custom log handler for the g_debug (affects: 1) (heat: 70)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59187320:07
kenvandineseb128, ok fixed FTBFS and added .symbols20:20
kenvandinelp:~ken-vandine/gwibber/libgwibber-ubuntu20:20
seb128kenvandine, you can probably push it to the ubuntu-desktop bzr now that the source has been uploaded?20:21
kenvandineshould i use the same branch naming scheme i have been using? since libgwibber is a series in the gwibber project?20:22
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seb128kenvandine, no, I would say ubuntu-desktop/libgwibber/ubuntu20:23
seb128since we usually use <source_name</ubuntu20:23
kenvandinemaybe that will work now that we have the package uploaded20:24
* kenvandine tries20:24
seb128right, what I just said20:24
seb128<seb128> kenvandine, you can probably push it to the ubuntu-desktop bzr now that the source has been uploaded?20:24
kenvandinehehe... i didn't read it the same way20:24
kenvandinesorry20:24
kenvandinenope, No such project: libgwibber20:24
seb128weird20:25
seb128it might take some time20:26
seb128anyway let's sponsor the update we can see tomorrow if the new location will work or not20:26
kenvandineseb128, thx20:30
seb128kenvandine, why did you drop the vcs lines in the control?20:33
seb128kenvandine, seems the lib export quite some symbols not prefixed gwibber_, is that wanted?20:34
seb128james_w, hey20:34
james_whi seb12820:34
seb128james_w, could you set https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~osomon/ubuntu/lucid/epiphany-browser/user_agent/+merge/25049 to merge if you have the right to do it?20:34
seb128james_w, it has been uploaded but still shows on the sponsoring list20:34
james_wdone20:34
seb128james_w, thanks20:35
seb128james_w, why don't I have access to that change?20:35
seb128I'm not sure to understand the acl there20:35
james_wseb128: because it's an SRU. iz lp boog20:35
seb128james_w, ok, thanks ;-)20:35
kenvandineseb128, i dropped them because i figured we would just maintain the branch at lp:ubuntu/libgwibber20:37
seb128kenvandine, do you have upload rights there?20:37
kenvandinei think the symbols exported without gwibber_ are the ones that aren't directly created in libgwibber but we provide an interface to them20:37
kenvandineil will once it gets added to the ubuntu-desktop packageset20:38
seb128ok, wfm then20:38
seb128kenvandine, upload sponsored20:38
millerdFor some reason when I'm trying to connect to a printer shared on a Win 7 computer, it won't authenticate my login, has anyone had this problem?20:38
kenvandineyeah, confirmed20:38
seb128millerd, try #ubuntu20:38
millerdthx20:38
kenvandinethe others are created because i have to define the interface to other dbus methods20:38
seb128kenvandine, what confirmed?20:38
kenvandinethe symbols20:38
seb128ah ok20:39
kenvandineso the gwibber_ are the ones actually provided... maybe i should remove the others?20:39
kenvandinethey are internal only20:39
seb128well I don't think it's important20:39
kenvandineok20:39
seb128would just be a bit cleaner20:39
seb128but not worth spending time on it now20:39
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kenvandinei'll think about it, they aren't even in the header20:40
seb128nice task if you get bored after beta or somerthing ;-)20:40
kenvandinehehe20:40
seb128pitti, should bug #566392 be dropped from the sponsoring queue?20:42
ubot2Launchpad bug 566392 in likewise-open (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 1 other project) "Request upload of likewise-open-5.4.0.42111-3 to Lucid (affects: 1) (heat: 41)" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/56639220:42
seb128pitti, is it blocked on reply to your question?20:42
pittiuh? what? me?20:43
* pitti looks20:43
seb128pitti, I don't really care about the bug, just trying to clean the > 125 items in the main sponsoring queue20:46
seb128or at least cleaning some of those20:46
pittiseb128: ah, I remember; well, still waiting on input from Gerry; i'll ping on the bug20:47
seb128pitti, I will unsubscribe sponsors for now as well he can resubscribe when he replies20:48
seb128pitti, thanks20:48
pitti*nod*20:48
pittithanks20:48
seb128thank you20:49
seb128kenvandine, ok, it built this time20:55
seb128james_w, could you mark https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rdoering/ubuntu/jaunty/erlang/fix-535090/+merge/21282 merged as well?21:03
seb128james_w, and https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rdoering/ubuntu/lucid/erlang/fix-535090/+merge/2116121:03
james_wdone, thanks seb12821:04
kenvandineseb128, woot!21:04
seb128james_w, thanks21:04
seb128james_w, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~arky/ubuntu/lucid/refpolicy-ubuntu/fix-487779/+merge/19085 as well? ;-) thanks!21:07
seb128there is so much crap on the sponsoring queue :-(21:07
pittigood night everyone21:13
seb128'night pitti21:14
seb128james_w, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~arky/ubuntu/lucid/aptdaemon/fix-523759/+merge/1974721:17
james_wdone21:19
seb128james_w, you rock ;-)21:19
james_wnot exactly a lot of effort on my part :-)21:19
* kenvandine heads out for a bit, bbl21:30
seb128kenvandine, bye21:31
seb128mvo, you should really have a quick review on http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/index.html21:39
seb128mvo, there is a one line patch for apt there for 2.5 years, just ack or it or not an unsubscribe sponsors ;-)21:40
seb128mvo, there is a software-properties which seems easy enough as well21:40
mvoseb128: I opened a bunch of tabs for tomorrow morning21:41
mvoseb128: but not tonight ,)21:41
mvoseb128: but yeah, the apt one21:41
mvoseb128: now may actually be a good time with the 0.8~pre work21:42
seb128mvo, thanks ;-)21:42
seb128mvo, well as said to pitti before I don't really care about the changes, we just need to get the sponsoring list back in shape21:42
mvoseb128: :) thank you for the reminder21:42
seb128would it only be to make sure dholbach don't get mad or something ;-)21:42
* seb128 hugs mvo 21:43
* mvo hugs seb12821:44
seb128james_w, can you delete the glib2.0 one on http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/index.html as well?22:07
seb128it's deprecated22:07
seb128chrisccoulson_, TheMuso: if you could clean some sponsoring items from http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/index.html that would be nice22:10
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