[08:42] <TheHorse> screen -list
[11:00] <zkriesse> g'day all
[11:00] <nisshh> zkriesse: hey
[11:00] <zkriesse> Hello nisshh
[11:00] <wers> hello
[11:01] <nisshh> wers: hey, you one of the other guys going for membership tonight?
[11:01] <wers> nisshh, yep
[11:01] <nisshh> wers: same with me :)
[11:01] <ejat> gday all
[11:01] <wers> nisshh, good luck to us :)
[11:02] <nisshh> wers: yea :)
[11:04] <lifeless> hi
[11:04] <zkriesse> hello lifeless
[11:04] <nisshh> wers: isnt the meeting supposed to be now?
[11:05] <wers> nisshh, I think, it is
[11:05] <nisshh> lifeless: hey
[11:05] <nisshh> wers: i wonder where vantrax is, he is usually the one doing it
[11:06] <ejat> nisshh: vantrax not very well ..
[11:06] <nisshh> ejat: ah, do we know who is doing the meeting then?
[11:07] <ejat> lifeless: will u chair the meeting ? or elky ?
[11:07] <lifeless> ejat: I'm barely conscious;) I plead jetlag from the platform rally
[11:07] <zkriesse> argh
[11:07] <ejat> lifeless: :)
[11:07]  * ejat pokes elky
[11:09] <nisshh> ejat: are there enough people from the membership board here to actually have the meeting?
[11:10] <lifeless> nisshh: we'll know in a bit
[11:10] <nisshh> lifeless: right
[11:10] <zkriesse> patience ya'll
[11:10]  * nisshh doesnt have much :)
[11:10]  * nisshh is too excited
[11:10]  * quail has to have suppa soon
[11:11] <nisshh> quail: dont let me keep you here
[11:11] <nisshh> :)
[11:11] <quail> o.0
[11:20] <lifeless> hmmm
[11:20] <zkriesse> hmm
[11:21] <lifeless> who here is on the board ?
[11:21] <lifeless> 20 minutes in we should either call it or do it
[11:21] <zkriesse> I'm not on the board but I'm a member if that helps at all
[11:21] <lifeless> it doesn't,  but thanks.
[11:21] <zkriesse> Yeah I know
[11:21]  * zkriesse cheers for the applicants
[11:21] <nisshh> :)
[11:21] <wers> yey.haha
[11:22]  * ejat lifeless and elky ? = 3
[11:22] <nisshh> havent heard from elky yet
[11:23] <zkriesse> What the hell happened to Vantrax?
[11:23] <nisshh> zkriesse: sick apparently
[11:24] <zkriesse> Ah
[11:24]  * zkriesse hates colds and such
[11:24] <nisshh> he was probably like "oh no, nisshh is going for membership *play dead*"
[11:24] <zkriesse> lol
[11:25]  * nisshh hopes vantrax doesnt read the logs after that....
[11:25] <quail> heh
[11:25] <zkriesse> He probably will
[11:25] <zkriesse> And he'll laugh like no tomorrow
[11:25] <nisshh> yea, hehe :)
[11:26] <nisshh> NOTE TO VANTRAX: IT WAS A JOKE :)
[11:26] <zkriesse> ROFLMAO
[11:26] <quail> nisshh: sorry mate my suppa is on the table
[11:27] <nisshh> quail: its cool, plenty of others here, thanks for coming for part of it anyway :)
[11:28] <quail> nisshh: np
[11:28] <nisshh> :)
[11:29] <wers> uhmm..
[11:31] <nisshh> wers: what is it?
[11:32] <wers> nisshh, does this mean that we'll postpone?
[11:32] <nisshh> wers: no idea atm
[11:32] <nisshh> ejat: whats happening dude?
[11:32] <nisshh> lifeless: ^^^
[11:33] <ejat> lifeless: ? looks like .. seem it not enough quorum
[11:33] <lifeless> I think so
[11:33] <lifeless> ejat: only what, 3 of us here?
[11:33] <nisshh> postponed?
[11:33] <lifeless> not quorum
[11:33] <lifeless> sorry, not quorate
[11:36] <nisshh> ejat: are you postponing or what?
[11:37] <ejat> lifeless: ya call ?
[11:39]  * thorwil comes back from lunch and cheers for nisshh and wers, quorum or not
[11:39] <wers> hi thorwil ! :)
[11:39] <nisshh> yay thorwil!
[11:40] <lifeless> ejat: I think we should call it
[11:40] <lifeless> ejat: d you want to mail the list ?
[11:40] <mc44> it's a shame whoever's idea it was to have big regional membership boards to make it more likely people would turn up didn't also think to point out that sticking to a rigid quorum rather defeats the object ;(
[11:41] <lifeless> mc44: its not that the quorum is that rigid
[11:42] <lifeless> and we can, and do pull in other board members
[11:42] <lifeless> its that there are only 2 of us around tonight, for whatever reason.
[11:42] <nisshh> lifeless: so postponed im guessing?
[11:42] <lifeless> yes
[11:42] <nisshh> oh well, when is the next meeting likely to be lifeless ?
[11:42] <lifeless> 2 weeks
[11:43] <lifeless> for this board
[11:43] <nisshh> ok
[11:43] <wers> okay. see you
[11:43] <nisshh> so me and wers will get to have another go then im guessing?
[11:44] <ejat> nisshh: yups ..
[11:46] <nisshh> ejat: ok, hopefully there will be enough board members the next time :)
[11:46] <ejat> nisshh: yeah .. i hope so ..
[11:46] <nisshh> heh
[11:58] <loell> has the meeting done already? didn't make it in time. and the logs doesn't show much.
[12:05] <ejat> loell: the meeting got postpone
[12:11] <loell> I see, thanks ejat :)
[12:11] <ejat> welcome ..
[12:27] <elky> Sorry. Was commuting. Stayed back a bit later than I meant to.
[14:00] <NCommander> #startmeering
[14:00] <davidm> G'day NCommander
[14:00] <NCommander> #startmeeting
[14:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 08:00. The chair is NCommander.
[14:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[14:00] <NCommander> mornign davidm
[14:00] <dyfet> morning NCommander
[14:00] <NCommander> [topic] Rollcar
[14:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  Rollcar
[14:00] <NCommander> [topic] Roll call
[14:00] <NCommander> wow
[14:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  Roll call
[14:00] <NCommander> I need caffiene
[14:01] <NCommander> who's here?
[14:01] <mpoirier> mpoirier
[14:01]  * GrueMaster 
[14:02] <NCommander> ogra: ping?
[14:02] <ogra> yep
[14:02] <NCommander> ok, good
[14:02] <lag> o/
[14:02] <NCommander> [topic]] Acion Item Review
[14:02] <MootBot> New Topic: ] Acion Item Review
[14:03] <NCommander> [topic] NCommander to unbreak apport retracer
[14:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  NCommander to unbreak apport retracer
[14:03] <NCommander> oh
[14:03] <NCommander> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100803#preview
[14:03] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100803#preview
[14:03] <NCommander> [topic] NCommander to unbreak apport retracer
[14:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  NCommander to unbreak apport retracer
[14:03] <NCommander> c/o
[14:04] <NCommander> [topic] ogra to re-enable the lucid efl session
[14:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  ogra to re-enable the lucid efl session
[14:04] <ogra> done
[14:04] <ogra> well
[14:04] <NCommander> cool
[14:05] <ogra> the package is in the seeds, still needs adjustments of the settings
[14:05] <ogra> but i cant test build any images atm
[14:05] <NCommander> [topic] mpoirer to coordinate with sarkoman or TI internal sources to get branch with "factory" bootloader source
[14:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  mpoirer to coordinate with sarkoman or TI internal sources to get branch with "factory" bootloader source
[14:06] <ogra> mpoirier, ?
[14:06] <mpoirier> yes
[14:06] <ogra> the above was your topic (even though your name is spelled wrong)
[14:06] <ogra> done or carry over ?
[14:07] <mpoirier> hold on.
[14:07] <mpoirier> I got in touch with TI.
[14:07] <mpoirier> very hard to get image.
[14:07] <mpoirier> got git tree
[14:07] <ogra> ah, great
[14:07] <mpoirier> recompiled but can't get to the same result.
[14:07] <ogra> how did you recompile ?
[14:07] <ogra> native or cross ?
[14:08] <mpoirier> cross.
[14:08] <ogra> that might be an issue
[14:08] <mpoirier> yes i know.
[14:08]  * ogra would recommend a native build
[14:08] <mpoirier> given the facts, i doubt it will ever be possible to get to the same image.
[14:08] <mpoirier> was a very loose process at the time @ TI
[14:09] <mpoirier> placed this on hold.
[14:09] <NCommander> ok, c/oked
[14:09] <NCommander> can I move on?
[14:09] <mpoirier> I've started looking at power management and effect on SDHC card.
[14:09] <ogra> i think lag did the same today
[14:10] <ogra> sitting in fron ogf his unbootable XM :)
[14:10] <lag> :(
[14:10] <mpoirier> currently, CONFIG_CPU_IDLE and CONFIG_SRAM_IDLE configs are removing hte problem.
[14:10] <mpoirier> narrowed it down to Power management 'governors' .
[14:10] <mpoirier> they are power management algorithms.
[14:11] <mpoirier> still investigating.
[14:11] <mpoirier> ...
[14:11] <ogra> they are also needed by tools like iotop
[14:11] <ogra> (the above settings)
[14:11] <mpoirier> both are not set in upstream
[14:12] <mpoirier> I've reproduced the problem in upstream by enabling the flags.
[14:12] <ogra> right, but try to fire up iotop on a beagle
[14:12] <mpoirier> it is not only isolated to ubuntu's code base.
[14:12] <NCommander> can you twotake it offline and report back?
[14:12] <ogra> would be good to have that ability at some point before final release
[14:12] <ogra> to research the SD slowness issues in userspace
[14:13] <ogra> NCommander, yeah, move on
[14:13] <rsalveti> yep, it's important for beagle
[14:13] <NCommander> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile.html
[14:13] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile.html
[14:13] <ogra> NCommander, what about your items, can you either implement or postpone them?
[14:13] <NCommander> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile-alpa-3.html
[14:13] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile-alpa-3.html
[14:13] <ogra> and why is that the wrong link again
[14:13] <ogra> i thought we updated the agenda a while ago
[14:13] <ogra> ah
[14:13] <NCommander> ogra: I will postpone them
[14:14] <NCommander> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile-alpha-3.html
[14:14] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile-alpha-3.html
[14:14] <ogra> NCommander, is it likely that you get to them ?
[14:14] <ogra> for this release ?
[14:14] <ogra> if so, please dont postpone but milestone against beta
[14:14] <NCommander> ogra: yes, since we're going to need them, but A3 will likely slide
[14:14] <ogra> k
[14:14] <ogra> then dont postpone, just move them to beta
[14:15] <NCommander> will do
[14:15] <NCommander> [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, mpoirier, lag)
[14:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel Status (cooloney, mpoirier, lag)
[14:15] <cooloney> yeah
[14:15] <lag> * Marvel (mvl-dove)
[14:15] <lag>    * GIT PULL : GIT PULL has been sent out for review
[14:15] <lag>    * PATCH    : 92 delta patches have been identified and rebased on top of our mvl-dove tip
[14:15] <lag>    * MISC     : Received update from Marvell for Dove LSP 5.3.2
[14:15] <lag>  * Freescale (fsl-imx51)
[14:15] <lag>    * MISC     : Freescale are helping to figure out the root cause of the bricked boards
[14:15] <lag>    * PATCH    : We have a patch to fix a PMIC issue. Related to above
[14:15] <lag>  * Texas Instruments (ti-omap)
[14:15] <lag>    * GIT PULL : TIs pull request has been rejected by rtg due to coding style issues
[14:15] <lag>    * PATCH    : 240+ patches received from TI. Fully tested and works fine
[14:15] <lag>    * ON GOING : B591941 disabling CONFIG_CPU_FREQ and CONFIG_CPU_IDLE cures the issue
[14:15] <lag>    * WONT FIX : B571663 this hardware is not supported by us and we have no spare time to help
[14:15] <lag> ..
[14:17] <ogra> looks good
[14:17] <ogra> NCommander, ?
[14:17] <ogra> lag, oh
[14:17] <lag> ?
[14:17] <ogra> what about the patches from rcn-ee ?
[14:17] <ogra> will you include them ?
[14:17] <lag> What patches?
[14:18] <ogra> the ones we discussed this morning ?
[14:18] <lag> I haven't even looked
[14:18] <lag> Didn't he say they were unfixed?
[14:18] <lag> finished*
[14:18] <ogra> well, the one that makes the mmc RW surely is ok to at least get someting out of  the XMs
[14:19] <lag> He said he still has cleaning up to do
[14:19] <lag> I don't want to put dirty patches into our kernel
[14:20] <ogra> i want to be able to use our hardware :)
[14:20] <lag> Then add the patches yourself ;)
[14:20] <lag> Where is the bug?
[14:20] <ogra> if we start testing XMs by beta there is not much we can fix anymore
[14:20] <ogra> i'm waiting for new images, then i'll file a bug
[14:21] <lag> I can't do a lot until you do
[14:21] <lag> When you do, assign me and I'll get it done
[14:21] <lag> ..
[14:21] <ogra> lag, though rcn-ee is a very valuable source for fixes wrt omap3
[14:21] <lag> I've noticed
[14:21] <ogra> k
[14:21] <ogra> NCommander, move ?
[14:23] <ogra> NCommander, HELLO!
[14:24] <ogra> NCommander, HELLO?
[14:26] <ogra> NCommander, did you fall asleep ?
[14:26] <ogra> hrm
[14:27] <GrueMaster> I pinged his cell.
[14:27] <GrueMaster> In the mean time, QA Status.
[14:27] <GrueMaster> Bugs needing attention before A3:
[14:27] <GrueMaster> Bug #605972 - Need to set hostname to ubuntu during first boot.
[14:27] <GrueMaster> Bug #600359 - ureadahead generating oom messages during boot.
[14:27] <GrueMaster> Bug #605831 - [omap3] Resolution should be taken from /proc/cmdline if provided
[14:28] <ogra> 605972 doesnt really need attention
[14:28] <ogra> thats just cosmetic
[14:28] <rsalveti> yep
[14:28] <GrueMaster> These are currently targetted for Alpha 3.
[14:29] <ogra> not sure what to do about 600359
[14:29] <GrueMaster> That's why I am mentioning them.
[14:29] <ogra> yeah, thanks
[14:29] <rsalveti> ureadahead always gives oom, still going to test on my c4 and try to trace why
[14:30] <rsalveti> probably it's trying to allocate a big chunk of memory
[14:30] <lag> Isn't bug 600359 fixed?
[14:30] <ogra> rsalveti, yes, that was supposed to be fixed
[14:30] <ogra> which is irritating
[14:30] <GrueMaster> No, it still happens.
[14:30] <ogra> GrueMaster, i know
[14:30] <rsalveti> ogra: who was supposed to fix it?
[14:30] <ogra> stil there was a fix uploaded to prevent massive ram usage
[14:30] <lag> Search for "ureadahead patch" in the subject lines of the Kernel Team mailing list
[14:31] <rsalveti> ok, nice
[14:31] <ogra> right
[14:31] <ogra> tim uploaded a fix
[14:31] <lag> ogra: Correct
[14:31] <ogra> though i dont know, it might be that there are also kernel side changes we're missing
[14:31] <ogra> i'm not sure its all dont in ureadahead
[14:31] <ogra> *done
[14:32] <rsalveti> I can help tracing this, as I'm using beagle most of the time
[14:32] <ogra> great
[14:33] <ogra> still no NCommander
[14:33] <GrueMaster> Are we no longer enabling swap on the beagle images?
[14:33] <ogra> not atm
[14:33] <NCommander>   Sorry, internet burped
[14:33] <GrueMaster> No wonder my system is really sluggish.
[14:33] <NCommander> and kicked me off, had to reset the router
[14:34] <NCommander> [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster)
[14:34] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA Status (GrueMaster)
[14:34] <ogra> GrueMaster, Bug 605739
[14:34] <ogra> that seems to be fixed now
[14:34] <bilalakhtar> is this the DMB meeting?
[14:34] <bilalakhtar> so early?
[14:35] <ogra> bilalakhtar, ARM meeting
[14:35] <NCommander> bilalakhtar: it starts at 10 EST (25 minutes)
[14:35] <bilalakhtar> ogra: thanks
[14:35] <GrueMaster> ogra: I think I was seeing that in yesterday's image still.
[14:35] <ogra> GrueMaster, yeah, i dont think cooloney applied the fix yet to any binary in the archive
[14:36] <ogra> GrueMaster, would yo mind testing the kernel he provides at the bug
[14:36] <GrueMaster> Then it is open until then.
[14:36] <GrueMaster> Will do.
[14:36] <rsalveti> but it seems that this fix only omap4
[14:36] <rsalveti> am I  right?
[14:36] <GrueMaster> It's an smp bug, so yes.
[14:36] <rsalveti> so why this is affecting beagle?
[14:36] <ogra> might be
[14:37] <ogra> rsalveti, is it affecting beagle ?
 Are we no longer enabling swap on the beagle images?
[14:37] <GrueMaster> Different issue.
[14:37] <rsalveti> oh, ok then :-)
[14:37] <ogra> i switched it off generally
[14:37] <rsalveti> ok, that explains
[14:38] <rsalveti> ok, move on
[14:38] <ogra> at the time the bug arose jasper didnt have any arch detection
[14:38] <ogra> NCommander, move
[14:38] <rsalveti> makes sense
[14:38] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, dyfet)
[14:38] <ogra> (unless your inet has digesting probs again)
[14:38] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, dyfet)
[14:38] <GrueMaster> I need to figure out why I am not seeing these test requests.
[14:39] <NCommander> I'm going to get KDE fixed this week or next I hope
[14:39] <ogra> GrueMaster, everyone in ubuntu-armel should get the bugmails
[14:39] <dyfet> well, last week there were ups and downs in the archive, but kdelibs finally became rebuildable
[14:39] <ogra> telepathy-glib returned ?
[14:39] <ogra> also mutter
[14:39] <ogra> and commons-daemon
[14:40] <dyfet> mutter is messy, I will check telepathy-glib to see why its back
[14:40] <ogra> dyfet, please handle these with prio
[14:40] <Riddell> KDE just blocked on kdebindings for ARM now
[14:40] <ogra> even though we dont use clutter, the bits and pieces need to work do TI can test
[14:40] <ogra> s/do/so/
[14:40] <ogra> and linaro :)
[14:41] <dyfet> (kdebindings) This is because the sip bindings for qt use double, and double has to be cast to QReal
[14:41] <dyfet> (for armel)
[14:41] <ogra> dyfet, yes, that will be fixed once NCommander applied the upstream fix to QT
[14:41] <dyfet> ahh, okay
[14:41] <ogra> (which we are discussion nearly the whole release now)
[14:41] <NCommander> dyfet: the problem is that someone removed the check from the cmake ile to handle this and hasn't passed in the option to make it wokr
[14:41] <NCommander> ogra: there will be no upstream fix for this forthcoming anytime soon.
[14:41] <ogra> sigh
[14:42] <ogra> NCommander, does asac know ?
[14:42] <ogra> linaro wont make their targets i assume without that fix
[14:42] <NCommander> ogra: yes. As I told both you, there's no easy way to incorperate the fix at this time, until Qt breaks their ABI or we do something hacky
[14:43] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)
[14:43] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)
[14:43]  * NCommander has nothing to report
[14:44] <ogra> images build again since the weekend
[14:44] <ogra> a lot faster now
[14:44] <GrueMaster> 20100803 failed.
[14:44] <ogra> image resizing is down to less than 1min now with the new filesystem setup
[14:45] <ogra> GrueMaster, yes, that issue is fixed, but we have new ones, the efl stack was updated
[14:45] <ogra> which lets the images fail for a while until all is sorted
[14:46] <NCommander> anything else, or can I move on?
[14:46] <ogra> i'd like to get bugs about the panel stuff etc
[14:46] <ogra> since the settings package hasnt seen any fine adjustment yet
[14:47] <ogra> so as soon as we have images again, please test images and file bugs :)
[14:47] <ogra> thats all for image builds
[14:47] <GrueMaster> I'll file them as soon as I can get to them.  I'm going to do a package update on 0802 to get there.
[14:47] <NCommander> [topic] AOB
[14:47] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[14:47] <rsalveti> just about rootstock
[14:48] <rsalveti> got a new release last week
[14:48] <rsalveti> and it's in the archive already
[14:48] <rsalveti> so, if feel free to test it and report any issues you find
[14:49] <NCommander> closing out in 3
[14:49] <NCommander> 2
[14:49] <NCommander> 1
[14:49] <NCommander> #endmeeting
[14:49] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 08:49.
[14:57] <czajkowski> ogra: meeting later on mail sent for reminder
[14:57] <ogra> czajkowski, yup, thanks for the surprise :)
[14:57] <ogra> (i had forgotten about it)
[15:01] <czajkowski> ogra: wel you're not in that channel so I can't poke you :)
[15:02] <bilalakhtar> stgraber: ping
[15:02] <bilalakhtar> Do we have a DMB meeting now or after an hour?
[15:03] <bilalakhtar> ogra: This meeting was of the Ubuntu Mobile team, right? Then, the next meeting should be that of DMB. But leading DMB members are not here
[15:03] <bilalakhtar> cody-somerville: ping
[15:49] <shadeslayer> coolbhavi: dont be :P
[15:49] <coolbhavi> shadeslayer, thanks!
[15:50]  * shadeslayer gives coolbhavi candy bar
[15:50] <shadeslayer> bilalakhtar: best of luck to you too!
[15:54] <shadeslayer> coolbhavi: poke me when the meeting begins :D
[15:54] <coolbhavi> shadeslayer, sure!
[15:55] <shadeslayer> i want to see how they grill people :P
[15:55] <Damascene> hi,
[15:55] <Damascene> what is the meeting about?
[15:55] <shadeslayer> Damascene: we have 2 MOTU applicants and 1 CDA
[15:55] <Damascene> really, sounds cool
[15:56] <bilalakhtar> shadeslayer: Thanks!
[15:56] <bilalakhtar> coolbhavi: Hi!
[15:56] <bilalakhtar> Damascene: Assalam alaikum
[15:57] <coolbhavi> bilalakhtar, hey all the best!
[15:57] <Damascene> bilalakhtar, wa alikom alsalam wa rahmatu allah
[15:57] <bilalakhtar> coolbhavi: I feel sorry for you being physically challenged
[15:57] <bilalakhtar> coolbhavi: I can't believe you have uploaded 950+ packages
[15:57] <coolbhavi> bilalakhtar, hey thats no problems for me
[15:58] <coolbhavi> :)
[15:58] <bilalakhtar> coolbhavi: If I were you, I would have applied for MOTU when my uploads touched 40
[15:58] <bilalakhtar> You waited till 900, coolbhavi
[15:58] <coolbhavi> :)
[15:58] <coolbhavi> lets see!
[15:58] <bilalakhtar> coolbhavi: MOTU is a piece of cake for you
[15:59] <bilalakhtar> coolbhavi: is this the first time you are applying?
[16:00] <coolbhavi> bilalakhtar, 2nd time 1st time it was deferred due to my own personal work
[16:00] <bilalakhtar> coolbhavi: that was when?
[16:00] <coolbhavi> bilalakhtar, back in feb
[16:00] <bilalakhtar> that early?
[16:01] <bilalakhtar> Sary: Assalam alaikum
[16:02] <bilalakhtar> persia: ping
[16:02] <coolbhavi> bilalakhtar, I hadnt had enough time to apply as was busy with electrical engineering stuff
[16:02] <Sary> bilalakhtar, Wa Alykum Alsalam , how you do bro
[16:02] <bilalakhtar> Sary: I am applying for UBuntu Contributing Developer, so I am here
[16:03] <Sary> Aha , great .. how is it going
[16:03] <geser> cjwatson, soren, persia, cody-somerville, stgraber: DMB meeting!
[16:03] <bilalakhtar> Sary: chat in #ubuntu-sa and not here
[16:03] <persia> \o
[16:03] <stgraber> I'm around, though I'll have to leave in around 25 minutes
[16:05]  * mathiaz waves
[16:05] <stgraber> hey mathiaz
[16:06] <juli_> Hi everybody! I've mailed the DMB recently but it looks like the message is still in the moderation queue. So may I ask my question here?
[16:08] <persia> juli_: Go ahead
[16:08] <juli_> persia, thanks! I'm working on updating NetBeans packages in Ubuntu from 6.8 to 6.9 and I'm almost blocked because of a massive lack of reviewers on REVU
[16:08] <juli_> dholbach kindly advised me to ask DMB if I can just go and upload those new packages
[16:08] <juli_> since I'm a member of ubuntu-dev since Aug 2009
[16:09] <persia> juli_: Ah, yeah.  If the source names are changing, we ought update your permissions: this shouldn't require REVU.
[16:10] <juli_> no, I need to upload 4 new packages. 2 of them are already reviewed by dholbach but I can't find another advocations
[16:10] <juli_> NetBeans requires new external libraries:(
[16:11] <bilalakhtar> When will the meeting begin? It is time, right?
[16:11] <geser> bilalakhtar: when we have quorum
[16:11] <persia> bilalakhtar: We're waiting for more DMB members: we can't take any decisions right now.
[16:12] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: Welcome
[16:13] <tumbleweed> bilalakhtar: hi. I assume nothing has started yet?
[16:13] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: no
[16:13] <coolbhavi> tumbleweed, hey
[16:13]  * bilalakhtar is getting nervous
[16:14] <tumbleweed> I think a couple of people may be at debconf...
[16:15] <juli_> persia, should I wait for some decision or there is no chance and it is better to go on to look for reviewers ?
[16:16]  * bilalakhtar is anxiously waiting for more DMB members to join
[16:16] <bilalakhtar> There go two more DMB members ^^
[16:17] <bilalakhtar> coolbhavi: looks like we are heading towards darkness
[16:17] <coolbhavi> bilalakhtar, relax mate
[16:17] <coolbhavi> lets wait
[16:19] <bilalakhtar> coolbhavi: we are 20 minutes behind schedule
[16:19] <coolbhavi> persia, any news?
[16:20] <persia> news?  I'm unsure.  I just lost connectivity.
[16:20]  * bilalakhtar is anxiously waiting for more DMB members, as he was waiting for this meeting for weeks
[16:20] <coolbhavi> okay!
[16:20] <juli_> persia, should I wait for some decision about NB or there is no chance to get upload permissions and it is better to go on to look for reviewers ?
[16:22] <persia> juli_: As the packages are in the archive, I would expect that adding them to the permissions  set would be simple.  For adding the packages, I personally believe that peer review is valuable, but as a member of ubuntu-devel, you can decide to upload anyway if it's blocking you otherwise.
[16:22] <cjwatson> hi, sorry, I got collared by somebody at the conference
[16:22] <cjwatson> and connectivity is awkward
[16:23] <juli_> persia, ok thanks! in this case I'll find at least one reviewer for them, then upload and ask for permissions later on.
[16:24] <stgraber> I'm really sorry but I'll have to leave in 5 minutes or so ...
[16:24] <cjwatson> can we see what we can do in five minutes then?  we have quorum, briefly
[16:24] <cjwatson> perhaps we can look at bilalakhtar's, which is out of sequence but ought to be quick?
[16:24] <bilalakhtar> thanks cjwatson
[16:25] <stgraber> I'm fine with that
[16:26] <cjwatson> I notice that coolbhavi had some criticism in a comment to the effect that you needed to be a bit more careful when handling merges; do you understand the specific problems he's referring to here?
[16:26] <bilalakhtar> cjwatson: yes
[16:26] <bilalakhtar> cjwatson: I have improved a lot since then
[16:26] <bilalakhtar> cjwatson: that comment was about my early merges
[16:26] <cjwatson> it's hard to pick out timestamps :)
[16:27] <coolbhavi> cjwatson, he has improved a lot
[16:27] <cjwatson> what do you do to determine whether merged changes are still needed?
[16:27] <persia> Hrm?  I thought that was something in the last revision (from yesterday)
[16:28] <bilalakhtar> cjwatson: debdiff from latest debian package
[16:28] <bilalakhtar> cjwatson: and read the diff
[16:28] <cjwatson> well, there are some changes that might be discarded if they're all that's left, right?
[16:28] <bilalakhtar> cjwatson: if we can drop the diffs, because the changes have been accepted in debian or they are no longer required, then we can request sync
[16:29] <cjwatson> anyone have any further questions?
[16:29] <bilalakhtar> cjwatson: But the meeting hasn't begun formally, right?
[16:30] <cjwatson> oh meh
[16:30] <cjwatson> #startmeeting
[16:30] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:30. The chair is cjwatson.
[16:30] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:30] <cjwatson> has now :P
[16:30] <iamfuzz> lol
[16:30] <cjwatson> (formality is merely a crutch, not an end in itself)
[16:31] <bilalakhtar> cjwatson: I think now you need to set topic and link
[16:31] <cjwatson> no I don't
[16:32] <bilalakhtar> cjwatson: What's going on here?
[16:32] <cjwatson> please don't try to manage the meeting for us
[16:32] <cjwatson> [vote] Bilal Akhtar for universe-contributors
[16:32] <bilalakhtar> cjwatson: sorry
[16:32] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Bilal Akhtar for universe-contributors.
[16:32] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[16:32] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[16:32] <persia> +1
[16:32] <MootBot> +1 received from persia. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[16:32] <stgraber> +1
[16:32] <MootBot> +1 received from stgraber. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[16:32] <geser> +1
[16:32] <MootBot> +1 received from geser. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[16:32] <cjwatson> +1
[16:32] <MootBot> +1 received from cjwatson. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[16:32] <cjwatson> #endvote
[16:32] <cjwatson> [endvote]
[16:32] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[16:33] <iamfuzz> bilalakhtar, congrats!
[16:33] <bilalakhtar> Thanks iamfuzz
[16:33] <coolbhavi> bilalakhtar, :)
[16:33]  * persia would like to suggest mathiaz's item if we have time for another, as there are other applications potentially dependent.
[16:33] <stgraber> congrats bilalakhtar. I now have to leave, sorry everyone.
[16:33] <bilalakhtar> Thanks everyone!
[16:33] <stgraber> cody-somerville: around ?
[16:34] <stgraber> soren said he wouldn't attend and nixternal isn't in the chan.
[16:34] <bilalakhtar> stgraber: I pinged him 2 hours ago, he didn't reply
[16:34] <bilalakhtar> him is cody-somerville
[16:34] <cjwatson> we may be out of luck if Cody's not around
[16:34] <persia> Indeed :(
[16:35]  * bilalakhtar now has to eat, will idle around
[16:35] <coolbhavi> persia, :(
[16:35] <cjwatson> ah, Cody also sent mail saying he had a conflicting meeting
[16:35] <geser> Cody mailed that he isn't around (same for soren)
[16:35] <cjwatson> I think then that regrettably we'll have to call it a day here.  sorry I was late arriving
[16:36] <cjwatson> I'll try to process election nominations this week and get elections for a new DMB member moving forward
[16:36] <persia> cjwatson: Thanks
[16:36] <coolbhavi> cjwatson,  so the motu applications are on aug 17th?
[16:37] <geser> coolbhavi: yes, assuming we have quorum on that day
[16:37] <coolbhavi> okay geser
[16:37] <cjwatson> juli_: regarding your request, I'm afraid that we can't add per-package upload permissions for packages not in the archive yet, so we are technically unable to grant your request until they're in the archive; persia said that he'd help out with that
[16:38] <cjwatson> (which I think is sort of what's in scrollback but I just wanted to clarify for the record)
[16:38] <geser> cjwatson: did you manage to get some of your action items done (or should they stay on the agenda for the next meeting)?
[16:38] <cjwatson> mathiaz,coolbhavi,iamfuzz: apologies for the wasted time here
[16:38] <mathiaz> cjwatson: no worries
[16:38] <iamfuzz> cjwatson, no worries, it happens
[16:38] <cjwatson> geser: I think I did both, but let me just double-check
[16:38] <iamfuzz> see you on the 17th
[16:38] <mathiaz> cjwatson: have fun at Debconf :)
[16:39] <shadeslayer> coolbhavi: bilalakhtar awww :(
[16:39] <cjwatson> hm, maybe I did not
[16:39] <coolbhavi> cjwatson, no problems see the DMB on 17th :)
[16:39] <cjwatson> >>> sorted(set([p.name for p in lp.packagesets]))
[16:39] <cjwatson> ['cli-mono', 'core', 'desktop-core', 'edubuntu', 'kernel', 'kubuntu', 'langpack', 'mobile', 'mozilla', 'mythbuntu', 'netbook', 'ubuntu-desktop', 'ubuntu-server', 'ubuntustudio', 'unr', 'xubuntu', 'zope']
[16:40] <geser> no sugar and no network-manager yet
[16:40] <bilalakhtar> shadeslayer: atleast I became one
[16:40] <shadeslayer> bilalakhtar: oh congrats
[16:40] <shadeslayer> i just saw that qourum can not be reached
[16:40] <shadeslayer> :P
[16:40] <geser> cjwatson: no problem, I leave them on the agenda and we can review on next meeting
[16:40] <tumbleweed> bilalakhtar: congrats. hope to sponsor more work from you soon :)
[16:41]  * geser updates the agenda
[16:41] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: Thanks everyone
[16:41] <cjwatson> geser: thanks
[16:42] <juli_> cjwatson, ok, thanks! I'll talk to persia then
[16:45] <bilalakhtar> exit
[16:45] <bilalakhtar> sorry
[16:59] <cjwatson> geser: I've completed my actions now
[16:59] <cjwatson> #endmeeting
[16:59] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:59.
[17:59]  * smb \o
[17:59] <apw> o/
[17:59] <cking> o/
[17:59] <bjf> #startmeeting
[17:59] <MootBot> Meeting started at 11:59. The chair is bjf.
[17:59] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[18:00] <JFo> o/
[18:00] <manjo> \o
[18:00] <kamal> o/
[18:00] <mpoirier> mpoirier o/
[18:00]  * tgardner lurks
[18:01] <jjohansen> \o
[18:01] <bjf> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[18:01] <bjf> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick
[18:01] <bjf> #
[18:01] <bjf> # NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input.
[18:01] <bjf> #
[18:01] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[18:01] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick
[18:01] <bjf> [TOPIC] ARM Status (lag)
[18:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Status (lag)
[18:01] <apw>  * Marvel (mvl-dove)
[18:01] <apw>    * GIT PULL : GIT PULL has been sent out for review
[18:01] <apw>    * PATCH    : 92 delta patches have been identified and rebased on top of our mvl-dove tip
[18:01] <apw>    * MISC     : Received update from Marvell for Dove LSP 5.3.2
[18:01] <apw>  * Freescale (fsl-imx51)
[18:01] <apw>    * MISC     : Freescale are helping to figure out the root cause of the bricked boards
[18:01] <apw>    * PATCH    : We have a patch to fix a PMIC issue. Related to above
[18:01] <apw>  * Texas Instruments (ti-omap)
[18:01] <apw>    * GIT PULL : TIs pull request has been rejected by rtg due to coding style issues
[18:01] <apw>    * PATCH    : 240+ patches received from TI. Fully tested and works fine
[18:01] <apw>    * ON GOING : B591941 disabling CONFIG_CPU_FREQ and CONFIG_CPU_IDLE cures the issue
[18:01] <apw>    * WONT FIX : B571663 this hardware is not supported by us and we have no spare time to help
[18:01] <apw> ..
[18:02] <lag> Thanks Andy
[18:02] <lag> ..
[18:02] <bjf> [TOPIC] Release Metrics: (JFo)
[18:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Release Metrics: (JFo)
[18:02] <JFo> Release Meeting Bugs (3 bugs, 9 Blueprints)
[18:02] <JFo> [18:02] <JFo>  * 1 linux kernel bugs (down 2)
[18:02] <JFo>  * 0 linux-fsl-imx51 bugs (no change)
[18:02] <JFo>  * 0 linux-ec2 bugs (no change)
[18:02] <JFo>  * 0 linux-mvl-dove bugs (no change)
[18:02] <JFo>  * 0 linux-ti-omap bugs (no change)
[18:02] <JFo>  * 1 linux-meta-ti-omap bug (no change)
[18:02] <JFo> [18:02] <JFo>  * 25 linux kernel bugs (up 1)
[18:02] <JFo>  * 2 linux-fsl-imx51 bugs (no change)
[18:02] <JFo>  * 0 linux-ec2 bugs (no change)
[18:02] <JFo>  * 2 linux-mvl-dove bugs (no change)
[18:02] <JFo>  * 2 linux-ti-omap bugs (no change)
[18:02] <JFo>  * 1 linux-meta-ti-omap bug (no change)
[18:02] <JFo> [18:02] <JFo>  * 14 blueprints
[18:02] <JFo> *** NOTE: This listing includes HWE Blueprints***
[18:02] <JFo> [18:03] <JFo>  * https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.has_patch=on
[18:03] <JFo>  * Breakdown by status:
[18:03] <JFo>    http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/csv-stats/bugs-with-patches/linux/
[18:03] <JFo> ..
[18:03] <tgardner> apw, didn't you fix the linux-meta-ti-omap issues?
[18:03] <apw> tgardner, yes they are fixed at our end, we have a bug task open to make sure the archive admins remove the old packages
[18:03] <apw> which they have yet to do as far as i know
[18:04] <tgardner> ah
[18:04] <tgardner> you could bug riddel who is on archive duty today
[18:04] <apw> ack ..
[18:04] <tgardner> ..
[18:04] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-apparmor (jjohansen)
[18:04] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-apparmor
[18:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-apparmor (jjohansen)
[18:04] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-apparmor
[18:04] <jjohansen> AppArmor has been pulled into security-next, and from there merged into linux-next.
[18:04] <jjohansen> There are still some userspace log parsing fixes and cleanups to finish off
[18:05]  * apw cheers
[18:05] <jjohansen> :)
[18:05] <jjohansen> ..
[18:05] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-misc (apw)
[18:05] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-misc
[18:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-misc (apw)
[18:05] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-misc
[18:05] <apw> Nothing new to report.
[18:05] <apw> ..
[18:06] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-new-kernel-on-lts (tgardner)
[18:06] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-new-kernel-on-lts
[18:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-new-kernel-on-lts (tgardner)
[18:06] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-new-kernel-on-lts
[18:06] <tgardner> Tracking Maverick. I'm seeing quite a bit of interest lately, both for server issues as well as desktop.
[18:06] <tgardner> ..
[18:06] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-pv-ops-ec2-kernel (jjohansen)
[18:06] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-pv-ops-ec2-kernel
[18:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-pv-ops-ec2-kernel (jjohansen)
[18:06] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-pv-ops-ec2-kernel
[18:06] <jjohansen> Maverick EC2 images are now using the -virtual kernel with pv-ops. This is working fairly well with the caveat of a few bugs
[18:07] <jjohansen> Bug #613022, Bug #606373, Bug #612875
[18:07] <jjohansen> I am still investigating the pv-on-hvm drivers
[18:07] <jjohansen> ..
[18:08]  * apw cheers again ...
[18:08] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-ubuntu-delta-review (ogasawara)
[18:08] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-ubuntu-delta-review
[18:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-ubuntu-delta-review (ogasawara)
[18:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-ubuntu-delta-review
[18:08] <ogasawara> Nothing new to report this week.
[18:08] <ogasawara> ..
[18:08] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-config-review (ogasawara)
[18:08] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-config-review
[18:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-config-review (ogasawara)
[18:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-config-review
[18:08] <ogasawara> Nothing new to report this week.
[18:08] <ogasawara> ..
[18:08] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-bug-handling (JFo)
[18:08] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-bug-handling
[18:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-bug-handling (JFo)
[18:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-bug-handling
[18:08] <tgardner> are these still worthwhile agenda items ?
[18:09] <JFo> nothing to report
[18:09] <JFo> ..
[18:09] <ogasawara> tgardner: the delta review really only has one item to review our ubuntu drivers
[18:09] <ogasawara> tgardner: the config review I think we could drop
[18:09] <apw> we don't really have a 'put this back on once in 8 weeks time' mode for the agenda
[18:09] <apw> ..
[18:09] <JFo> the bug handling I simply haven't worked on this past week :)
[18:09] <JFo> ..
[18:10]  * bjf will drop config-review
[18:10] <tgardner> ok, I guess we can just keep ignoring them until the M+1 cycle starts
[18:10] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-upstart (apw)
[18:10] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-upstart
[18:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-upstart (apw)
[18:10] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-upstart
[18:10] <apw> Readahead tracking patches are now applied to maverick and uploaded.  We also committed some grub framebuffer handling patches to help with the clean boot.
[18:10] <apw> ..
[18:11] <cking> sweet
[18:11] <simar> Hi JFo. I'm in the meeting.
[18:11] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-bios-test-automation (cking)
[18:11] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-bios-test-automation
[18:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-bios-test-automation (cking)
[18:11] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-bios-test-automation
[18:11] <cking> * fwts 0.17.2 in maverick universe
[18:11] <cking> * few minor bug fixes, PPA version 0.17.4
[18:11] <cking> * automated build of USB stick image to run fwts tests
[18:11] <cking> ..
[18:11] <bjf> [TOPIC] Status: Maverick (ogasawara)
[18:11]  * JFo cheers cking 
[18:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Status: Maverick (ogasawara)
[18:11] <ogasawara> 2.6.35 final was released over the weekend.  As a result we did a last minute rebase and upload for Maverick, ie 2.6.35-14.19.  This is what will be included in the Alpha3 images.  Please test.
[18:12] <ogasawara> Alpha 3 is this Thurs Aug 5th.  We are still above our Alpha 3 burn down chart's trend line.  If you still have open Alpha 3 work items that will not be completed by EOD tomorrow, push the item(s) out to -beta or mark it POSTPONED if it appears it won't be completed this cycle.
[18:12]  * apw cheers ... yet again
[18:12] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-kernel-team-maverick-alpha-3.html
[18:12] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick#Milestone maverick-alpha-3
[18:12] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-kernel-team-maverick-alpha-3.html
[18:12] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick#Milestone maverick-alpha-3
[18:12] <ogasawara> ..
[18:13] <bjf> [TOPIC] Security & bugfix kernels - Karmic/Jaunty/Intrepid/Hardy/Others (smb)
[18:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Security & bugfix kernels - Karmic/Jaunty/Intrepid/Hardy/Others (smb)
[18:13] <smb> Nothing changed since last week.
[18:13] <smb> ..
[18:13] <tgardner> maybe apw and jjohansen should give away some of their bugs or work items
[18:13] <apw> tgardner, will review mine and see what can be shed ...
[18:14] <jjohansen> tgardner: I will look at mine as well
[18:14] <tgardner> apw, not all of yours are release critical
[18:14] <apw> most are not, i wish there was a way to note the difference in the tooling ..
[18:15] <jjohansen> though, some of the security related work items are going to get marked postponed
[18:15] <tgardner> jjohansen, you're only showing 2 work items outstanding
[18:16] <tgardner> I think we're in pretty good shape, despite the trend line
[18:16] <tgardner> ..
[18:16] <bjf> [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo)
[18:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo)
[18:16] <JFo> 201 Maverick Bugs (up 30)
[18:16] <JFo> 1124 Lucid Bugs (up 25)
[18:16] <JFo> Current regression stats (broken down by release):
[18:16] <JFo> [18:16] <JFo>   * 111 maverick bugs (up 5)
[18:16] <JFo>   * 226 lucid bugs (up 5: to be converted to regression-release)
[18:16] <JFo> [18:17] <JFo>   * 43 lucid bugs (up 3)
[18:17] <JFo>   * 6 karmic bugs (no change)
[18:17] <JFo>   * 4 jaunty bugs (no change)
[18:17] <JFo>   * 1 hardy bug (no change)
[18:17] <JFo> [18:17] <JFo>   * 181 lucid bugs (up 8)
[18:17] <JFo>   * 44 karmic bugs (no change)
[18:17] <JFo>   * 19 jaunty bugs (no change)
[18:17] <JFo>   * 2 hardy bugs (no change)
[18:17] <JFo> [18:17] <JFo>   * 4 lucid bugs (up 2)
[18:17] <JFo>   * 1 karmic bug (no change)
[18:17] <JFo> ..
[18:18] <bjf> [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo)
[18:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo)
[18:18] <JFo> The Bug Day for this week was cancelled due to sickness on my part over the last week. It was not announced, so I opted not to have it. I will send out a notice for the Bug Day for next week today. We will be focused on bugs that have been incorrectly set to the New state as well as removing duplicates on those we encounter that are not a complete hardware match. A secondary focus will be on tagging them with the relevant subsystem. We will contin
[18:18] <JFo> ue to have the Team Bug Day to address the Top 50 list as half days on Friday and Monday, as these seem to be working out very well. Reviewers, please take a look at your needs-review lists and help us keep the process moving.
[18:18] <JFo> ..
[18:18] <bjf> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions: Anyone have anything?
[18:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion or Questions: Anyone have anything?
[18:18] <JFo> o/
[18:19] <bjf> JFo, go
[18:19] <JFo> for next weeks meeting I'll be adding a Triage topic
[18:19] <JFo> so that we can discuss and recognize current events in the bug triage world
[18:19] <JFo> fro now, I'd like to recognize simar for joining us
[18:19] <bjf> you'd like me to add a triage topic
[18:20] <JFo> if you don't mind :)
[18:20] <apw> simar, welcome ...
[18:20] <JFo> indeed, welcome simar :)
[18:21] <JFo> I'd like to use this time during the meeting to recognize triagers and to further discuss items of a triage nature that do not fall easily into our format
[18:21] <JFo> ..
[18:21] <simar> JFo apw Thaks for welcoming :))
[18:21] <apw> always nice to have new people involved
[18:21] <JFo> we are very glad to have you
[18:21] <apw> simar, do you have specific areas of interest ?
[18:21] <bjf> I wanted to mention that at the beginning of each dev cycle I go through all the
[18:21] <bjf> blueprints and add them all back on as agenda items. So we should feel free to
[18:21] <bjf> drop any we don't want to keep looking at along the way.
[18:22] <JFo> good call bjf
[18:22] <bjf> ..
[18:22] <bjf> anyone else?
[18:22] <simar> I have seen agenda of the meeting. There I saw ARM, I have coded for motorola mc9x12x series of processors.
[18:22] <simar> I have been worked on touchpad bugs for now. .
[18:23] <apw> simar, nice ... you should come chat to us over on #ubuntu-kernel .... :)
[18:23] <apw> bjf ..
[18:23] <simar> apw: sure :)
[18:23] <bjf> #endmeeting
[18:23] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:23.
[18:23] <JFo> thanks bjf :)
[18:23] <smb> bjf, thanks
[18:23] <kamal> thanks bjf
[18:24] <sconklin> thanks
[18:24] <lag> o/
[18:24] <simar> thanks.
[18:24] <diwic> bjf, how does one drop a blueprint? I remember seeing one recently suggesting we package "polypaudio"...
[18:25] <bjf> diwic, not sure i understand "drop a blueprint"
[18:25] <bjf> diwic, you'd like it added to the agenda or you'd like to create one?
[18:26] <diwic> bjf, you said "we should feel free to drop any we don't want to keep looking at"
[18:28] <bjf> diwic, i was speaking with respect to them on the meeting agenda
[18:28] <bjf> diwic, sorry i wasn't clear
[18:29] <diwic> bjf, aha. Nevertheless we should really remove some obsolete blueprint stuff from launchpad
[18:29] <diwic> bjf, if that's possible...
[18:29] <bjf> diwic, don't know how to do that
[18:29] <diwic> I fear it is not possible
[18:30]  * manjo leaving
[18:30] <ogasawara> diwic: I think in the blueprint itself you can set the status to obsolete etc.
[18:31] <diwic> ogasawara, possibly, I guess I don't have permission to change other people's blueprints then
[18:32] <ogasawara> diwic: ah probably not if you're not the owner
[18:32] <diwic> ogasawara, while you're here, what is the easiest way to add a sign-off to another persons patch?
[18:32] <ogasawara> diwic: for example, I'd add Signed-off-by: Leann Ogasawara <leann.ogasawara@canonical.com>
[18:34] <diwic> ogasawara, I know the line and about "git commit --amend -s", but should I sync upstream, then rebase it to add the sign-off, then use git format-patch on the result?
[18:35] <ogasawara> diwic: nah, just reply to the email and add your SOB.
[18:35] <diwic> ok
[18:36] <diwic> ogasawara, still lean
[18:36] <diwic> still learning
[18:37] <diwic> all patch workflows
[18:37] <ogasawara> diwic: no worries.  I know each mailing list is probably different for how they want patches submitted.
[18:59] <jiboumans> o/
[18:59] <kirkland> o]=[
[18:59] <SpamapS> sorry my clock is slow :p
[18:59]  * mathiaz waves
[18:59] <hggdh> ~ô~
[18:59] <jjohansen> \o
[19:00] <mathiaz> I'll be leading and scribing this week
[19:00] <jiboumans> kirkland looks like roadkill...
[19:00] <mathiaz> so get prepared to rock da' house...
[19:00] <hggdh> :-)
[19:00] <SpamapS>  3 Aug 11:05:11 ntpdate[18138]: step time server 17.151.16.23 offset -298.781854 sec
[19:00] <SpamapS> Hah, or fast.. take your pick. ;)
[19:00]  * hggdh wishes to kill ntpdate
[19:01] <ttx> \o
[19:01] <smoser> \0
[19:01] <RoAkSoAx> po/
[19:01] <RoAkSoAx> o/
[19:01] <RoAkSoAx> lol
[19:01]  * kirkland kinda feels like roadkill
[19:02] <mathiaz> allrighty
[19:02] <Daviey> o/
[19:02] <mathiaz> let's get started
[19:02] <SpamapS>  /o._.o\
[19:02] <mathiaz> #startmeeting
[19:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 13:02. The chair is mathiaz.
[19:02] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[19:02] <mathiaz> Today's amazing agenda:
[19:02] <mathiaz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting#preview
[19:02] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] # Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[19:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  # Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[19:03] <mathiaz> SpamapS to work with mathiaz on a proposal, and send proposal to -devel on ruby gems in ubuntu
[19:03] <mathiaz> work in progress
[19:03] <jiboumans> any progress to report? it's been moved twice so far
[19:03] <mathiaz> I think we've got something ready - SpamapS ?
[19:04] <SpamapS> Its just about done
[19:04] <SpamapS> mathiaz provided me with valuable feedback, and I've been working on getting it just right
[19:04] <mathiaz> [ACTION] SpamapS to send ruby gems proposel to ubuntu-devel
[19:04] <MootBot> ACTION received:  SpamapS to send ruby gems proposel to ubuntu-devel
[19:04] <mathiaz>  Daviey & kirkland to review http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/uec.html
[19:04] <kirkland> mathiaz: done!  looks good to me, sommer
[19:04] <SpamapS> BTW, my messages to ubuntu-devel seem to take an average of 7 - 10 days to arrive in my inbox
[19:05] <kirkland> SpamapS: you need to get ubuntu membership ;-)
[19:05] <mathiaz> SpamapS: it may be held for moderation
[19:05] <SpamapS> Would be nice if somebody can moderate them through quicker than that.
[19:05] <hggdh> moderation, I guess
[19:05] <mathiaz>  entire team to fix your papercuts by end-of-the-week
[19:05] <kirkland> mathiaz: did mine ;-)
[19:05] <Daviey> membership doesn't give you whitelisting on that list, it's upload rights that does it.
[19:05] <SpamapS> Still waiting for my collectd MIR guidance email to come through, though cjwatson did tell me he moderated it yesterday.
[19:05] <mathiaz> MootBot: did mine as well
[19:06] <ttx> I'll come back to that later
[19:06] <jiboumans> ttx: did anyone miss their papercut?
[19:06] <mathiaz> I think we'll come back to the papercut later
[19:06] <ttx> some did, yes.
[19:06] <mathiaz> SpamapS and ScottK to reivew Kolab php5 patches
[19:06] <zul> GDAY
[19:06] <ttx> but it will bite them back with a vengeance
[19:06] <ttx> as it'll be back in beta :P
[19:07] <mathiaz> SpamapS: I've seen some progress on this topic - Kolab php5 patches
[19:07] <SpamapS> mathiaz: I believe the uw-imap patches have been uploaded..
[19:07] <SpamapS> mathiaz: the php5-imap patches will come w/ 5.3.3
[19:07] <SpamapS> zul: right?
[19:07]  * mathiaz o^5 SpamapS 
[19:07] <zul> no...after alpha
[19:07]  * mathiaz o^2*5 zul 
[19:08] <ttx> that gets dirty
[19:08] <mathiaz> Anything else related to last week meeting?
[19:08] <SpamapS> and upstream has committed to importing the patches
[19:08] <SpamapS> upstream, meaning php. :)
[19:09] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Maverick development (jib)
[19:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  Maverick development (jib)
[19:09] <jiboumans> We were quite overcomitted for Alpha3, so unfortunately another round of postpones had to be done. Please see http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-server-maverick-alpha-3.html for the latest chart.
[19:09] <jiboumans> several items will be done first thing during the beta, before feature freeze, but for the following specs, we dropped most of the work:
[19:09] <jiboumans> cloud-libs, daily-vcs and uec-monitoring as they won't be able to be done before FF
[19:10] <jiboumans> they remain targets of opportunity of course, but we dont expect them to be completed
[19:10] <ttx> cloud-libs is completed
[19:10] <ttx> I did it last week
[19:10] <jiboumans> eh, cloud-config
[19:10] <ttx> ... ?
[19:10]  * jiboumans is probably confused today
[19:10]  * jiboumans goes and looks
[19:10] <jiboumans> cloud-utils, thank you very much
[19:11] <ttx> ack
[19:11] <jiboumans> let's all pretend i said that very eloquently in one go :)
[19:11]  * ttx looks the other way
[19:11] <jiboumans> we've also added blueprints to track ongoing work like ISO testing and triaging, just to provide more insight, so those will be in the tracker as well starting the beta cycle
[19:12] <zul> umm..blueprint for triaging?
[19:12] <hggdh> and testing?
[19:12] <jiboumans> most blueprints should be scoped for the beta workloads now, so please have a look and make sure there are no anomalies
[19:12] <cjwatson> SpamapS: I think there was some network problem - should be through now
[19:12] <jiboumans> zul, hggdh: as per the outcome of our prague sprint, yes
[19:12] <ttx> one work items for each daily triage
[19:12] <ttx> we'll see if it helps
[19:13] <jiboumans> i think that's all regarding alpha3 scope & beta plans
[19:13] <jiboumans> ttx, floor's all yours
[19:13] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] #
[19:13] <mathiaz> Alpha3 subcycle status (ttx)
[19:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  #
[19:13] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Alpha3 subcycle status (ttx)
[19:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Alpha3 subcycle status (ttx)
[19:13] <ttx> well, I think that one got covered quite well by Jos
[19:13] <ttx> Alpha3-milestoned bugs
[19:13] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Alpha3-milestoned bugs (ttx)
[19:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Alpha3-milestoned bugs (ttx)
[19:14] <ttx> the remaining bugs were retargeted to beta, since I managed to run an instance on topology1 with euca2.0 out of the box
[19:14] <ttx> but other topologies and loadtesrting are still very broken
[19:14] <SpamapS> cjwatson: thanks it just arrived. :-D
[19:14] <ttx> Alpha3 ISO testing:
[19:14] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Alpha3 ISO testing (ttx)
[19:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  Alpha3 ISO testing (ttx)
[19:15] <ttx> the current candidate was smoketested enough to have good confidenbce it behaves. We'll have a eucalyptus commit later today, and a respin early tomorrow
[19:15] <ttx> so you should concentrate your ISO testing efforts on tomorrow's
[19:15] <ttx> on the cloud images side...
[19:16] <ttx> smoser: you smoketested them and caught a bug that warrants a respin there as well
[19:16] <ttx> ?
[19:16] <smoser> yes.
[19:16] <smoser> i've caught some other bugs in the ec2 images also.
[19:17] <ttx> do you think you can respin and launch a test before your eod today ?
[19:17] <smoser> none that seem likely to be fixed by tomorrow, but dont stop alpha.
[19:17] <smoser> i'm starting re-spin.
[19:17] <ttx> ok -- then just remember your area of ISo testing, it's marked down on the corresponding work item
[19:17] <ttx> I'll help on the UEC side probably
[19:18] <Daviey> \o/
[19:18] <ttx> since ccheney is away
[19:18] <hggdh> yes!
[19:18] <hggdh> more blood on the arena
[19:18] <Daviey> ttx: That is *greatly* appreciated
[19:18] <hggdh> although there will not be much to test
[19:18] <ttx> I can take on a triceratops with my bare hands and the power of my look
[19:18] <jiboumans> ttx++ # organizer of things
[19:19] <jiboumans> ttx: you may have heard science proved triceratops didn't actually exist
[19:19] <ttx> when I look at bugs, they fly away :)
[19:19]  * Daviey has witnessed this
[19:19] <ttx> jiboumans: dammit
[19:19]  * hggdh wishes ttx would look at UEC
[19:19] <mathiaz> I guess that we can move given the last comments...
[19:20] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] #
[19:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  #
[19:20] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[19:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[19:20] <SpamapS> o/ # ?
[19:20] <ttx> # #
[19:20] <hggdh> nothing new here, except that Eucalyptus only works in all-in-one
[19:20] <mathiaz> SpamapS: it's when I cut and paste from firefox
[19:20] <SpamapS> Oh, I thought the new topic was something about hashing. ;)
[19:21] <SpamapS> I asked before, but just to confirm, we should expect ISO's in the next couple of days right?
[19:21] <mathiaz> hggdh: how is the QA team doing?
[19:21] <hggdh> good. Almost up-to-date on all tasks, no real news
[19:21] <mathiaz> ok - any questions to the QA team?
[19:21] <Daviey> SpamapS: When you wake up tomorrow, there should hopefully be a fresh ISO to test :)
[19:22] <mathiaz> let's move on
[19:22] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen)
[19:22] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen)
[19:22] <jjohansen> so we have switch to a 2.6.35 pv-ops kernel
[19:22]  * ttx wishes that the old bug list was still present on the agenda
[19:22]  * ttx recovers
[19:22] <jiboumans> jjohansen++ # awesome
[19:23] <jjohansen> ah yeah, I was just looking for the load bug #
[19:23] <SpamapS> jjohansen: any news on the high load for idle instances on ec2?
[19:23] <SpamapS> hah me too
[19:23] <ttx> jjohansen: bug 574910 is getting out of control
[19:23] <ttx> jjohansen: great fix on bug 599450 !
[19:23] <jjohansen> its definitely a really bug and I have started "bisecting" it
[19:24] <mathiaz> SpamapS: is this bug 611272?
[19:24] <SpamapS> no 574910
[19:24] <mathiaz> SpamapS: rather - is bug 611272 a duplicate of 574910?
[19:24] <ttx> mathiaz: that one might be a dupe
[19:24] <jjohansen> ttx: agreed that the bug is out of control
[19:25] <SpamapS> mathiaz: yeah thats entirely possible, seems like it for sure.
[19:25] <SpamapS> actually..
[19:25] <SpamapS> I see a high load on my idle VMware instance too now that I think about it
[19:25] <jjohansen> hopefully we will have a resolution to it soon, however its not a clean bisect situation
[19:25] <smoser> SpamapS, don't get started. the bug is ec2 bug. if you have others, please open other bugs.
[19:26] <smoser> its metabug with loads of irrelavent info already.
[19:26] <jjohansen> hehe, right even if its the same bug :)
[19:26] <SpamapS> smoser: agreed. I just wonder if the same issue is causing the problem.
[19:26] <smoser> i do think 611272 is probably a duplicate, although i've never seen load go up to 1
[19:26] <SpamapS>  11:26:53 up  1:46,  1 user,  load average: 1.09, 1.15, 1.15
[19:27] <smoser> it is interesting to me that we've no evidence of this mystic load on "real hardware"
[19:27] <SpamapS> Thing has been sitting there doing nothing.. top shows nothing.
[19:27] <SpamapS> occasionally gmond or vmtoolsd pops up as doing something
[19:27] <mathiaz> ok - I think we should move on
[19:27] <mathiaz> and keep debugging later on
[19:28] <mathiaz> jjohansen: anything else from the kernel team?
[19:28] <ttx> I think jjohansen and smoser welcome all help, but not more confusion on that bug :)
[19:28] <smoser> what color is your laptop, SpamapS ?
[19:28] <jjohansen> I am looking at the pv-on-hvm drivers, and smoser found a few bugs with pv-ops
[19:29] <SpamapS> smoser: Silver unless it gets really hot, then it turns red ;)
[19:29] <smoser> that was probably off topic. but an example of the off topic content in the bug.
[19:29] <SpamapS> lol
[19:29] <mathiaz> anything else *for* the kernel team?
[19:29] <SpamapS> kernel team: keep on rockin in the free world. :)
[19:29] <jjohansen> I think I am done
[19:30] <mathiaz> jjohansen: great - thanks !
[19:30] <mathiaz> let's move on
[19:30] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer)
[19:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer)
[19:30] <mathiaz> hm - noone around
[19:30] <mathiaz> so move on
[19:30] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] #
[19:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  #
[19:30] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Community Team (kim0)
[19:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Community Team (kim0)
[19:30] <jiboumans> no kim0 it seems
[19:30] <jiboumans> the topic got added recently
[19:31] <ttx> it's quite late in Egypt
[19:31] <mathiaz> ok - I've pinged kim0 - he may stop by later
[19:31] <mathiaz> let's move on
[19:31] <mathiaz> ah...
[19:31] <mathiaz> kim0: o/
[19:31] <jiboumans> speak of the devil
[19:31] <ttx> kim0 never sleeps
[19:31] <kim0> hehe
[19:32] <kim0> so whats up
[19:32] <mathiaz> kim0: anything to report from the community team to the server team?
[19:32] <kim0> hmm .. well the updates are
[19:32] <kim0> We're basically fighting with IS to release the maps app for the 10.04.1 release
[19:32] <kim0> on time
[19:32] <kim0> hopefully this week
[19:32] <Daviey> Hi.. i've just had a power failure - meaning i'm connecting throw 3g - which is currently very slow...
[19:33] <ttx> we'll.. speak... slowly
[19:33] <SpamapS> kim0: you could always just pool together your EC2 allowance for the month and run it on EC2. ;)
[19:33] <Daviey> through*
[19:33] <kim0> SpamapS: I don't really know how this allowance thing works
[19:33] <Daviey> Can we discuss atop until my power returns please? :)
[19:33] <kim0> but jono didn't seem too excited
[19:33] <kim0> so I'm not doing that
[19:33] <kim0> If anyone is interested in the cloud portal specs
[19:34] <kim0> I've updated the docs at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CloudPortalSpecs
[19:34] <mathiaz> kim0: cool - thanks
[19:34] <kim0> check it out and let us know opinions
[19:34] <kim0> that's basically all from my side
[19:34] <mathiaz> anything to ask to the community team?
[19:34] <jiboumans> kim0: let us know if and when the app is up and we'll blog/mail/tweet about it
[19:35] <kim0> jiboumans: sure thingie
[19:35] <jiboumans> thanks
[19:35] <kim0> if it's not up by this thursday
[19:35] <kim0> I'll go the ec2 route
[19:35] <kim0> coz that'd be the final week
[19:35] <SpamapS> yes, we need to unleash a blog-pocalypse when its released
[19:35] <kim0> Yes hehe
[19:35] <mathiaz> ok - anything else to add?
[19:35] <kim0> nope that's all
[19:36] <mathiaz> let's move on
[19:36] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Weekly SRU review (zul)
[19:36] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly SRU review (zul)
[19:36] <zul> im still catching up from beeing back on holiday
[19:36] <mathiaz> zul: I'm not sure what we're supposed to do here
[19:36] <mathiaz> as the nominations should be done by email now
[19:37] <zul> neither am i...since its done by email now
[19:37] <zul> if it were up to me i would remove it from the agenda
[19:37] <mathiaz> http://people.canonical.com/~chucks/SRUTracker/sru-tracker-bugs.html
[19:37] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~chucks/SRUTracker/sru-tracker-bugs.html
[19:37] <mathiaz> is working again
[19:37] <SpamapS> I have one that is sort of in question..
[19:37] <mathiaz> who's looking after that? and making sure things are moved along?
[19:37] <SpamapS> bug #611695
[19:38] <zul> mathiaz: i try to review it every friday
[19:38] <ttx> "319" days assigned : should probably be unassigned
[19:38] <zul> agreed
[19:39] <ttx> there is also a "362" :)
[19:39] <ttx> if we remove the cruft, it will be reviewable during the meeting
[19:39] <zul> anything above a 300 should be removed
[19:39] <zul> ill do it this friday
[19:39] <mathiaz> or worked on ASAP :D
[19:39] <ttx> i'd argue that stuff assigned for > 150 days should be removed as well
[19:39] <SpamapS> removed meaning not SRU'd?
[19:40] <mathiaz> I'd argue stuff assigned for > 30 days
[19:40] <ttx> SpamapS: no
[19:40] <mathiaz> at some point down the line
[19:40] <Daviey> Maybe it's a really complex and requires a year of development! :)
[19:40] <ttx> SpamapS: removced as in no longer assigned to someone that does not make it happen
[19:40] <SpamapS> got it
[19:40] <mathiaz> there is some backlog then
[19:40] <mathiaz> there is some backlog *now*
[19:40] <ttx> We should strive for no red in there
[19:41] <mathiaz> but once you've cleared things up there shouldn't be any red
[19:41] <ttx> and only have the stuff we intend to do short-term
[19:41] <ttx> mathiaz: I hope so
[19:41] <mathiaz> any question wrt to the SRU process?
[19:41] <mathiaz> or SRU?
[19:42] <SpamapS> the bug I mentioned earlier..
[19:42] <ttx> maybe action people to clean up their SRU abandon items ?
[19:42] <mathiaz> ttx: we should probably prod them
[19:42] <mathiaz> ttx: as most of them are not in the meeting
[19:42] <ttx> ok
[19:42] <mathiaz> [ACTION] zul to clean up the SRU assigne list by prodding people on status
[19:42] <MootBot> ACTION received:  zul to clean up the SRU assigne list by prodding people on status
[19:42]  * zul gets out the cattle prod
[19:42] <mathiaz> let's move on
[19:42] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Server papercuts (ttx)
[19:42] <MootBot> New Topic:  Server papercuts (ttx)
[19:43] <ttx> yay
[19:43] <ttx> Final status for alpha3 :https://launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+milestone/maverick-alpha-3
[19:43] <ttx> some fixes are considered committed, that is the work on them is done, but the fix didn't come back from debian yet
[19:44] <ttx> i expect the assignees to followup on those
[19:44] <ttx> Beta cycle is here : https://launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+milestone/maverick-beta
[19:44] <ttx> There are the two that Dave hadn't had time to finalize, plus 10 others
[19:44] <ttx> pick yours  :)
[19:45] <ttx> cycle starts 2010-08-06
[19:45] <ttx> ends 2010-08-25
[19:45] <mathiaz> anything else to add on the papercut project?
[19:46] <ttx> nothing from me
[19:46] <mathiaz> let's move on then
[19:46] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Open Discussion
[19:46] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion
[19:47] <ttx> ...
[19:47] <SpamapS> o/
[19:47] <mathiaz> I ran into the following project last week: http://www.eurekastreams.org/
[19:47] <ttx> kirkland: how is Montreal's summer ?
[19:48] <kirkland> ttx: way cooler than Austin, temperature wise :-)
[19:48] <ttx> mathiaz: I had trouble to see what it does more than a regular twitter-like
[19:48] <mathiaz> seems like a great way to get activity/status report within the team
[19:48] <kirkland> i'm hoping to see the aurorae borealis tonight, if we're far enough north....
[19:48] <jiboumans> "The coldest winter I've ever spent was a summer in Montreal" -- Dustin Twain
[19:48] <mathiaz> ttx: what I found interesting is the concept of plugin
[19:48] <SpamapS> mathiaz: I took a look at it, very interesting tool.. I wonder if it would be useful for UDS sessions
[19:48] <kirkland> http://news.discovery.com/space/incoming-the-sun-unleashes-cme-at-earth.html
[19:48] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://news.discovery.com/space/incoming-the-sun-unleashes-cme-at-earth.html
[19:48] <kirkland> jiboumans: something like that :-)
[19:48] <mathiaz> ttx: so we could have LP plugins
[19:48] <ttx> mathiaz: so twitter + dashboards ?
[19:49] <mathiaz> ttx: whenever you upload something in LP in gets into your stream
[19:49] <jiboumans> mathiaz: i checked out the demo. it seems it really shines with many users
[19:49] <mathiaz> ttx: yes
[19:49] <SpamapS> it seems to have some of the coolness of webnumbr too
[19:49] <ttx> mathiaz: what I've been missing recently is some presence tool, would that address that ?
[19:49] <zul> kirkland: doubt it you will see it in montreal
[19:49] <kirkland> zul: darn :-(
[19:50] <kirkland> zul: will you see it in Ottawa?
[19:50] <ttx> being able to tell people are "at work". Crosscheking with calendars doesn't really help me
[19:50] <stas_> !time
[19:50] <mathiaz> ttx: right
[19:50] <ttx> but I guess we could solve that with a specific status message
[19:50] <zul> but hggdh loves notpdate
[19:50] <mathiaz> ttx: IMO if I'm not I work I'm not IRC
[19:51] <mathiaz> ttx: it's the easiest way to see whether I'm online
[19:51] <mathiaz> however people have different opinion on this
[19:51] <ttx> mathiaz: you're easy ;)
[19:51] <ttx> predictability is also good. Since you travel, your work hours change
[19:52] <jiboumans> i second that btw
[19:52] <jiboumans> but whatever we use, it has to low impact
[19:52] <mathiaz> ttx: so you'd like to have both real-time presence and expected presence
[19:52] <SpamapS> ttx: I'd love to have a presence tool as well
[19:52] <SpamapS> I try ot remember to set /away on irc but I often forget
[19:52] <ttx> for expected presence the calendar is ok
[19:52] <Daviey>  /j #server  ; sleep 10h ; /part #server
[19:53] <ttx> mathiaz: for example, I don't think you disconnect from IRC when you go out to eat
[19:53] <mathiaz> ttx: that's true
[19:53] <Daviey>  XMPP!
[19:53]  * SpamapS suggests GPS ankle bracelets for all Ubuntu members
[19:53] <jiboumans> .... someone will say google wave soon
[19:53] <mathiaz> ttx: however I may take more than 1 hour to answer a ping on IRC
[19:53] <Daviey>  Jabber could be ideal for this.
[19:53] <ttx> SpamapS: I like that. With electrical shocks when your velocity goes down
[19:53] <stas_> hi guys, loco council is doing reapproval meeting today?
[19:53] <SpamapS> just setup a collage of webcams from all our home offices
[19:54] <Daviey> stas_: perhaps.. this this currently the server meeting
[19:54] <nuvolari> o/ tumbleweed :D
[19:54] <ttx> I think webcam/mumble is not appropriate to do presence
[19:54] <stas_> Daviey: how long this is gonna take?
[19:54]  * mathiaz agrees
[19:54] <mathiaz> stas_: a couple more minutes
[19:54] <zul> considering if you are sitting in your briefs
[19:55] <stas_> ah, ok, srry, carry on :)
[19:55] <mathiaz> stas_: until the begining of next hour as outlined on the fridge calendar
[19:55]  * SpamapS watches the train slowly derail
[19:55] <ttx> anyway, I'm not opposed to trying out eurekastreams
[19:55] <mathiaz> it was just food for though
[19:55] <ttx> it just might be slightly overkill :)
[19:56] <mathiaz> ttx: agreed - we should try it out to get a feeling about it ;)
[19:56] <SpamapS> user: ping! seems to work for active communication
[19:56] <mathiaz> anything else to add before we wrap up?
[19:56] <ttx> nope
[19:57] <mathiaz> SpamapS: http://err.no/personal/blog/tech/2006-10-10-12-05_contentless_pings.html
[19:57] <mathiaz> let's wrap up then
[19:57] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time
[19:57] <MootBot> New Topic:  Announce next meeting date and time
[19:57] <mathiaz> next week, same place, same time?
[19:57] <mathiaz> Tuesday 2010-08-10 at 1800 UTC - #ubuntu-meeting
[19:57] <mathiaz> ^^ ?
[19:58] <kirkland> +1
[19:58] <mathiaz> all right - so next week, same place, same time
[19:58] <mathiaz> #endmeeting
[19:58] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 13:58.
[19:59] <jiboumans> thanks all
[19:59] <czajkowski> 2 mins to loco council meeting folks
[19:59] <czajkowski> itnet7: huats
[19:59] <huats> there I am czajkowski
[20:00] <czajkowski> just waiting on the others to arrive
[20:00] <huats> sure czajkowski
[20:00] <stas_> great, hi all
[20:01] <czajkowski> paultag: howdy
[20:02] <paultag> BRB
[20:02] <paultag> I need to head home
[20:02] <paultag> start without me :)
[20:02] <czajkowski> lets wait a few as no sign of leogg or popey just yet
[20:03] <huats> czajkowski, sure
[20:03] <drubin> czajkowski: sure no prpbople
[20:04] <czajkowski> hmm
[20:04]  * nuvolari gets out his banner
[20:06] <amachu> midnight at india..
[20:06] <czajkowski> right popey is on his way
[20:06] <popey> Greetings!
[20:07] <czajkowski> who is from indian loco here
[20:07] <popey> Sorry for being late, had a small child with a nose bleed :S
[20:07] <huats> hello popey
[20:07] <nagaraja> Its almost 00.36 am in India
[20:07] <huats> right on time
[20:07] <czajkowski> ok could you please add your wiki applicationto the agenda so
[20:07] <czajkowski> it's missing
[20:07] <thangam_arun> I am also from India
[20:07] <czajkowski> and we can get started as I know it's late
[20:07] <czajkowski> thanks
[20:07] <czajkowski> #startmeeting
[20:07] <MootBot> Meeting started at 14:07. The chair is czajkowski.
[20:07] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[20:07] <viky> i am from india
[20:07] <czajkowski> Aloha LoCO Council meeting is underway!
[20:08] <czajkowski> [link]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Agenda
[20:08] <MootBot> LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Agenda
[20:08] <huats> hello viky
[20:08] <czajkowski> we have a short agenda tonight just two teams and a topic for us to discss, but I know it's late for some people so lets start with applications
[20:08] <viky> hello
[20:08] <czajkowski> [topic] South Africa
[20:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  South Africa
[20:09] <drubin> czajkowski: Hi
[20:09] <czajkowski> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ReApprovalApplication
[20:09] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ReApprovalApplication
[20:09] <czajkowski> drubin: hi there
[20:09] <crabbytag> OK. im on my droid but here
[20:09] <nuvolari> whoop! we're up :D go drubin!
[20:09] <czajkowski> right so there is 4 council members so we're good to go
[20:09] <maiatoday> go drubin
[20:09] <drubin> czajkowski: questions?
[20:10] <czajkowski> drubin: so care to tell us about your loco please
[20:10] <drubin> So an introduction is something that explains who what we are... Kinda hard really because we are every one....
[20:10] <stefanlsd> heys, if south africa can host a world cup, we can host a loco :)
[20:10] <drubin> So we as a loco are from the Southern Part of Africa.
[20:10] <drubin> stefanlsd: ^5
[20:10] <highvoltage> yes we can!
[20:10] <czajkowski> grin
[20:10] <drubin> czajkowski: We are the place were ubuntu kinda started with Mark ;-p
[20:10] <czajkowski> ok can you tell us how you share out roles and oraganise events
[20:11] <highvoltage> there's some people in the loco that also really stepped up the last year or so and have been doing great work
[20:11] <drubin> czajkowski: we don't really have a formal proccess ;/
[20:11] <nuvolari> ^5
[20:11] <czajkowski> drubin: so how does stuff get done?
[20:11]  * tumbleweed waves as a new ZA MOTU
[20:11] <highvoltage> like maiatoday who hosted and awesome release party at her house (which is just one of many cool things she did)
[20:11] <drubin> czajkowski: There was a gap this year right after we lost our website but after speaking to superfly (where is he)
[20:12] <drubin> he basically redesigned our site and well http://ubuntu-za.org/ came out ;-p
[20:12] <drubin> czajkowski: That is something I would actually like to change the whole roles thing but every one seems *very* busy at the current momment
[20:13] <drubin> as with every one. ;-p
[20:13] <czajkowski> *nods*
[20:13] <czajkowski> of course
[20:13] <drubin> So the whole formal role thing is a bit much, but people all help out where they can when they can.
[20:13] <crabbytag> drubin: can you talk a bit ab out the case stickers?
[20:13] <drubin> makes special note of sueprfly, maiatoday, and tumbleweed
[20:13] <drubin> crabbytag: which ones?
[20:13] <Kilos> hiya. im here
[20:13] <drubin> crabbytag: both maiatoday and me make case badges ;-p
[20:13] <nuvolari> ya, some employers don't fully support passion for ubuntu :( But I try to wedge in time where I can :)
[20:14] <highvoltage> drubin: I assume the ones on the re-application wiki page :)
[20:14] <crabbytag> thats the one :)
[20:14]  * inetpro comes to join the ubuntu-za croud - sorry for being late
[20:14] <drubin> Ok will start with mine http://blog.smartcube.co.za/2009/05/26/ubuntu-pc-badges-for-za/
[20:14]  * Morganvd here to help where i can with ubuntu-za
[20:14] <drubin> basically I just got my laptop and I didn't like the fact it said "powered by widnows Vista" so phoned around got a quote and printed 4000
[20:15] <drubin> they wouldn't print any thing less and I thought well I can give them out so I did.
[20:15]  * maiatoday likes shiney case badges with ubuntu logos
[20:15] <Morganvd> i need a few of those
[20:15] <drubin> http://spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org/en/material/unusual/small-25mm-badge-pins << maiatoday's badges happened I think because she showed me the design at one of the ubuntu hours and I was like OMG that is awesome I want like 20
[20:15] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org/en/material/unusual/small-25mm-badge-pins << maiatoday's badges happened I think because she showed me the design at one of the ubuntu hours and I was like OMG that is awesome I want like 20
[20:15] <drubin> so she got them printed as well
[20:16] <highvoltage> maiatoday also had human badges!
[20:16]  * inetpro received a set of stickers from drubin all the way in Pretoria
[20:16] <drubin> We both kinda gave them out to people and said they can donate what they can/want to
[20:16] <drubin> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_IMDTCDbQeWY/S9yQEsSTS1I/AAAAAAAAAG4/du4so-FpfVw/s320/cake.resized.JPG
[20:16] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_IMDTCDbQeWY/S9yQEsSTS1I/AAAAAAAAAG4/du4so-FpfVw/s320/cake.resized.JPG
[20:16] <drubin> we also had CAKE!!! come cake ftw
[20:16] <czajkowski> how many people turn up to your events? say a relase party?
[20:16]  * nuvolari also got badges from drubin
[20:17]  * helger also got badges
[20:17] <drubin> czajkowski: mmm We kinda lost ourwiki posts
[20:17] <drubin> highvoltage: ^
[20:17] <drubin> czajkowski: but at the last global jam we hadd +-50 people come though
[20:17] <drubin> and at the release part in CPT/Stellenbosch there were +- 35
[20:17] <maiatoday> czajkowski: there are sometimes simultaneous events in different places in the country
[20:17] <drubin> people made the 55min drive effort to come
[20:18] <crabbytag> nice!
[20:18] <drubin> CPT = Cape town (city) JHB = another city
[20:18] <czajkowski> ok
[20:18] <drubin> exact numbers are odd.
[20:18] <nuvolari> In Bloem we had around 8 people the last time, and I think Brandfort also had that, or a greater number
[20:18] <stefanlsd> south africa is pretty big... takes like 15 hours to drive across it.
[20:18] <drubin> but at the Karmic release party we had +- 5 or 6 release aprties in cpts
[20:19] <drubin> Lucid we had like 3 it was less of a hipe.
[20:19] <Morganvd> There was 6 in Johannesburg for Karmix
[20:19] <Morganvd> Karmic*
[20:19] <drubin> I guess people were really busy.
[20:19] <inetpro> we've had release parties in Gauteng with every release that I can remember of
[20:19] <drubin> btw the same as the report thing, I might be the contact but well every thing is a team effort
[20:19] <nuvolari> yay for superfly :D
[20:19] <nuvolari> :P
[20:19] <superfly> sorry I'm late
[20:20] <drubin> btw hamslaa1 is the System admin for one of the Universities in A
[20:20]  * txwikinger cheers on superfly
[20:20] <drubin> and he has pretty much helped out getting ubuntu regonised and every thing in the uni. see http://www.ubuntu.sun.ac.za/wiki/index.php/Special:Statistics
[20:20] <superfly> ohi txwikinger
[20:21] <drubin> basically the reason that is better to have a different wiki is this one is "Free access to studnets" so they don't use their Internet hours to access ubuntu resources (because it is local)
[20:21] <czajkowski> ok
[20:21] <drubin> wow huge stats on the SUN wiki.
[20:21] <drubin> czajkowski: any other questions?
[20:21] <czajkowski> ok lets vote
[20:21] <helger> bandwidth is still quite expensive in SA
[20:22] <huats> drubin, I think you made your point :)
[20:22] <czajkowski> [vote] please vote on the Ubuntu Sa team re approval . only council members vote.
[20:22] <hamslaa1> u bet it is and very scarce
[20:22] <MootBot> Please vote on:  please vote on the Ubuntu Sa team re approval . only council members vote..
[20:22] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[20:22] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[20:22] <crabbytag> +1
[20:22] <MootBot> +1 received from crabbytag. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[20:22] <drubin> Only concil vote btw
[20:22] <czajkowski> +1
[20:22] <MootBot> +1 received from czajkowski. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[20:22] <nagaraja> +1
[20:22] <MootBot> +1 received from nagaraja. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[20:22] <thangam_arun> +1
[20:22] <MootBot> +1 received from thangam_arun. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[20:22] <huats> +1
[20:22] <MootBot> +1 received from huats. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[20:22] <highvoltage> well done team ZA
[20:22] <popey> +1
[20:22] <MootBot> +1 received from popey. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6
[20:23] <viky> +1
[20:23] <MootBot> +1 received from viky. 7 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 7
[20:23] <crabbytag> whoh
[20:23] <inetpro> wow
[20:23] <nuvolari> :>
[20:23] <popey> whoops
[20:23] <tumbleweed> thanks guys :)
[20:23] <drubin> \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/
[20:23] <stefanlsd> yay!!! congrats guys :)
[20:23] <inetpro> drubin: is our man \o/
[20:23] <drubin> thanks -council.
[20:23] <Morganvd> Thank you all
[20:23] <huats> congrats za
[20:23] <crabbytag> grats drubin :)
[20:23] <nuvolari> thank you! \o/ \o/
[20:23] <popey> Keep doing great work guys and gals!
[20:23] <nelydajo> [20:23] <drubin> inetpro: No ubuntu-za is our team
[20:23] <czajkowski> #endvote
[20:23] <hamslaa1> baie dankie !!
[20:23] <czajkowski> [endvote]
[20:23] <MootBot> Final result is 7 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 7
[20:23]  * maiatoday has a big grin
[20:23] <nuvolari> congrats drubin :D
[20:23] <thangam_arun> Drubin, Congrats
[20:24] <nuvolari> and everyone involed :D
[20:24] <czajkowski> grrr please in future let council only vote
[20:24] <hamslaa1> well done dave !
[20:24] <nelydajo> Well done guys!
[20:24] <Kilos> congrats drubin
[20:24] <viky> Congrats drubin
[20:24] <Kilos> go za
[20:24]  * drubin accepts congrats for the whole team
[20:24] <robbit> Great stuff guys. You did an awesome job.
[20:24] <huats> I don't know if you notice but just when sabdfl connects, the ubuntu-za gets reapproved :)
[20:24] <Morganvd> Congrats Drubin you earned it
[20:24] <sabdfl> YOU CALLED
[20:24] <superfly> yay! :-D
[20:24] <sabdfl> ;-)
[20:24] <popey> haha
[20:24] <nagaraja> Congratz drubin, tumbleweed and all ur team guys
[20:24] <popey> convenient
[20:24] <drubin> sabdfl: we did we just got approved Ubuntu-za
[20:25] <tumbleweed> re-approved
[20:25] <sabdfl> rocking news :)
[20:25] <drubin> ye that one.
[20:25] <czajkowski> great stuff folks
[20:25] <czajkowski> ok moving on
[20:25] <Morganvd> cya all in ubuntu-za
[20:25] <sabdfl> is there a center of gravity to the team, or distributed across za?
[20:25] <czajkowski> [topic] Indian LoCo Re approval
[20:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  Indian LoCo Re approval
[20:25] <sabdfl> no need to answer, keep going with the mtng
[20:25] <drubin> sabdfl: all around, but we seem to be pretty active in Stellenbosch of all places
[20:25] <inetpro> now we just need to get sabdfl to our SFD in Pretoria :-)
[20:25] <nagaraja> yes
[20:26] <czajkowski> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Tamil_Team
[20:26] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Tamil_Team
[20:26] <czajkowski> nagaraja: ok anyone else here with you ?
[20:27] <nagaraja> yes , amachu, viky , arulalan , thangami arun
[20:27] <czajkowski> ok welcome folks nice to have you here, I know it's late
[20:27] <nagaraja> its midnight 1 at India
[20:27] <czajkowski> nagaraja: so can you tell us a bit about your team, how you are doing ?
[20:28] <amachu> czajkowski: the wiki's timeline is to get updated but we can give you references for blanks
[20:28] <amachu> m3swamy: hey!
[20:29] <czajkowski> amachu: so why wasn't that done before the meeting ?
[20:29] <nagaraja> ya ,, we are spreading the features of ubuntu across tamil nodu by conducting various public functions , seminars in colleges and distributing free cd's across tamil nadu
[20:29] <m3swamy> hello amachu :
[20:29] <popey> where is the approval application?
[20:30] <czajkowski> popey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Tamil_Team
[20:30] <czajkowski> just not named as an application
[20:30] <nagaraja> its on our wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Tamil_Team
[20:30] <amachu> czajkowski: all are in Tamil.. to do in English.. lazied
[20:30]  * popey pokes the wiki with a stick
[20:31] <czajkowski> nagaraja: ok, well the layout we suggested and naming hasn;'t been followed
[20:31] <czajkowski> amachu: nagaraja  I don't think we can process this application today
[20:31] <czajkowski> it's lacking any of the information
[20:31] <czajkowski> we'd suggest you have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoExampleApplication
[20:31] <czajkowski> and come back on August 17th
[20:31] <amachu> czajkowski: yep
[20:32] <amachu> thats fine with us
[20:32] <nagaraja> yes ofcourse
[20:32] <czajkowski> it's just we can't process that page as there isn't much information there
[20:32] <czajkowski> if you need help the council can help we idle in #ubuntu-locoteams
[20:32] <amachu> czajkowski: thats fine
[20:32] <popey> we can certainly help you prepare the wiki page
[20:32] <huats> it is in order to give us a clear view of your work
[20:32] <nagaraja> we have designed the layout and info. to be in tamil
[20:32] <popey> but we would need that done before the next loco council meeting
[20:33] <czajkowski> [agreed] Indian LoCo to come back on August 17th with up to date wiki application
[20:33] <MootBot> AGREED received:  Indian LoCo to come back on August 17th with up to date wiki application
[20:33] <nagaraja> sure ,,
[20:33] <czajkowski> ok
[20:33] <czajkowski> so moving on
[20:33] <nagaraja> agreed
[20:33] <czajkowski> [topic] Serbia LoCo re Approval
[20:33] <MootBot> New Topic:  Serbia LoCo re Approval
[20:33] <thangam_arun> czajkowski: ok
[20:33] <uros1> Greetings from Serbia, we send application as well and we are ready to discuss it if it is possible
[20:33] <amachu> czajkowski: we understand.. its that we noticed the meeting to be held couple of days back & didn't want to miss out
[20:33] <bojce> Greetings from Serbia
[20:33] <czajkowski> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SerbianTeam/ReApprovalApplication
[20:33] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SerbianTeam/ReApprovalApplication
[20:33] <uros1> members present are bojce coordinator, Githzerai, Prvul, olujicz, archmalac and me.
[20:34] <czajkowski> ok thanks folks for coming
[20:34] <prvul> o/
[20:34] <nagaraja> nice
[20:34] <czajkowski> over 4000 members on your forum, that's a lot
[20:34] <popey> woah, over 4000 on the forum, nice work
[20:34] <uros1> tnx
[20:35] <Githzerai> tnx, we hope to inprove ;)
[20:35] <czajkowski> so is a lot of your team work done via the forums?
[20:36] <uros1> yes, biggest activity  is on form helping new users to get fammiliar
[20:36] <uros1> with Ubuntu
[20:36] <popey> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ubuntu-srbija/4595310793/in/photostream/ whats going on there, looks like a lot of attentive people learning about lucid :)
[20:36] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/ubuntu-srbija/4595310793/in/photostream/ whats going on there, looks like a lot of attentive people learning about lucid :)
[20:36] <uros1> its release party on Lucid with 100+ people
[20:37] <uros1> in Belgrade downtown
[20:37] <czajkowski> wow impressive
[20:37] <czajkowski> so how do you go about organising your events?
[20:37] <czajkowski> does everyone just help ?
[20:37] <popey> excellent stuff
[20:38] <uros1> LoCo core team is active in organisation, but other users have great role in events as well
[20:38] <czajkowski> oh good I like to hear that
[20:38] <Githzerai> we usually have minor problems during organisation, but things somehoe just work out
[20:38] <huats> do you have pictures of the material you are doing ? (like tshirt and stuffs you mention) ? I am a big fan of sharing this kind of stuffs (well the sources) so that teams that have less artists can also do their own
[20:39] <czajkowski> Githzerai: such as?
[20:39] <Githzerai> Well biggset problem is finding appropriate place to hold such event
[20:39] <uros1> T-shirts
[20:39] <uros1> maybe
[20:40] <czajkowski> Githzerai: yes it can be hard.
[20:40] <popey> Githzerai: same issue every loco has I'm afraid :)
[20:40] <czajkowski> Githzerai: is it size/location or cost issues you face?
[20:40] <popey> Githzerai: if you find a magic venue, let other locos know! :D
[20:40] <Githzerai> :)
[20:41] <uros1> :)
[20:41] <Githzerai> Most of the time we manage to find some location for free, but timing schedule is a problem.
[20:41] <czajkowski> so is there any issues you faced in the last 2 years since you were first approved?
[20:41] <uros1> yes, server problem
[20:41] <olujicz> huats, we mainly use materials from http://spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org/
[20:42] <Githzerai> Server troubles, so we are currently in a process of migrating to a new host
[20:42] <czajkowski> Githzerai: ok
[20:42] <huats> olujicz, ok so it is already shared ! great
[20:43] <czajkowski> so any other comments you'd like to mention to the council
[20:44] <paultag> I'm back. Sorry folks. I'm on WiFi now
[20:44] <uros1> no thats all i think, maybe to take a look at new site, forum...
[20:44] <bojce> yes, we change branding for new server
[20:44] <uros1> http://ubuntuloco.gridsrv.net/
[20:44] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://ubuntuloco.gridsrv.net/
[20:45] <czajkowski> uros1: we notice a lack of team reports
[20:45] <uros1> http://ubuntuloco.gridsrv.net/testforum/
[20:45] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://ubuntuloco.gridsrv.net/testforum/
[20:45] <popey> new site looks beautiful
[20:45] <huats> uros1, I think you are doing a good job. I'd like to see reports in your applications
[20:45] <uros1> http://ubuntuloco.gridsrv.net/wiki/
[20:45] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://ubuntuloco.gridsrv.net/wiki/
[20:45] <paultag> +1 on that. New site rocks
[20:45] <huats> have you think of doing some ?
[20:45] <uros1> thanks
[20:46] <czajkowski> uros1: do you know about team reports?
[20:46] <prvul> we know
[20:46] <paultag> prvul: are you considering making them a regular thing?
[20:46] <Githzerai> That is one of the things we would like to improve.
[20:46] <uros1> yes we know and we do that
[20:47] <uros1> in close future
[20:47] <prvul> yes! but until now we havent used ubuntu oficial wiki
[20:47] <czajkowski> Githzerai: I hope to read serbia report so in Next months news letter
[20:47] <prvul> because we have our own
[20:48] <prvul> we alredy set up basic pages for reports
[20:48] <prvul> just didnt fill them
[20:48] <prvul> :)
[20:48] <popey> we could look at how to make it easier for people to contribute reports on external wikis
[20:48] <uros1> yes thats great idea
[20:48] <czajkowski> [vote] please vote on the Serbia LoCo Re Approval. ONLY COUNCIL MEMBERS VOTE PLEASE
[20:48] <MootBot> Please vote on:  please vote on the Serbia LoCo Re Approval. ONLY COUNCIL MEMBERS VOTE PLEASE.
[20:48] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[20:48] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[20:48] <huats> +1 continue the good work
[20:48] <MootBot> +1 received from huats. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[20:48] <czajkowski> +1
[20:48] <paultag> +1
[20:48] <MootBot> +1 received from czajkowski. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[20:48] <MootBot> +1 received from paultag. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[20:48] <popey> +1
[20:48] <MootBot> +1 received from popey. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[20:48] <paultag> Keep up the good work uros1
[20:49] <paultag> And the rest of the team :)
[20:49] <uros1> tnx man
[20:49] <itnet7> +1 great work!!
[20:49] <MootBot> +1 received from itnet7. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[20:49] <czajkowski> looking forward to reports next month
[20:49] <paultag> For sure. REPORTS!
[20:49] <paultag> Please :)
[20:49] <czajkowski> [endvote]
[20:49] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5
[20:49] <czajkowski> great well done folks !
[20:49] <popey> nice work!
[20:49] <bojce> thx
[20:49] <Githzerai> Thank you !
[20:49] <uros1> :)
[20:49] <prvul> \o/ to!
[20:49] <popey> look forward to photos from the 10.10.10 release party!
[20:49] <huats> congrats !
[20:49] <popey> Dont Panie!
[20:49] <popey> *panic
[20:49] <olujicz> Thank you
[20:49] <uros1> wow, thanks!
[20:49] <itnet7> congrats!
[20:50] <czajkowski> ok so moving onto council items
[20:50] <stas> hey, wait a minute
[20:50] <stas> hi all
[20:50] <Githzerai> it's been a priviledge being a part of Ubuntu LoCo last 5 years, and we hope to improve in the future.
[20:50] <czajkowski> [topic] Updating Application with new headings
[20:50] <MootBot> New Topic:  Updating Application with new headings
[20:50] <stas> czajkowski: i asked last week about ubuntu-ro reapproval
[20:51] <paultag> stas: Romania?
[20:51] <czajkowski> stas: RO ?
[20:51] <stas> yes
[20:51] <stas> me and Cracknel and riddickbm
[20:51] <paultag> czajkowski: sent an email, right?
[20:51] <czajkowski> romanian
[20:51] <stas> wiki
[20:51] <czajkowski> I sent an email earlier on today to the team
[20:51] <czajkowski> to adi
[20:51] <stas> hmm, didn't get it
[20:51] <stas> adi is away
[20:51] <czajkowski> it was sent
[20:51] <czajkowski> you were re approved
[20:51] <stas> i called him just some hours before
[20:51] <stas> oh, thanks guys
[20:52] <paultag> stas: you were +1'd unanimously
[20:52] <stas> thanks, didn't know
[20:52] <paultag> stas: sure :)_
[20:52] <czajkowski> ok so getting back to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoGettingApproved
[20:52] <itnet7> congratulations stas, sorry for the delay
[20:52] <stas> keep up the great work :)
[20:52] <paultag> stas: back at you!
[20:52] <czajkowski> this is the wiki page teams are referred to, to create their applications
[20:53] <czajkowski> I think it'd be a good idea to add some more headings so that if teams need to do things via email it would have more content
[20:53] <czajkowski> but adding team reports would also be a heading I'd like to see
[20:53] <czajkowski> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoGettingApproved
[20:53] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoGettingApproved
[20:54] <huats> czajkowski, I agree I think the team reports would help a lot
[20:55] <czajkowski> huats: any other headings you think might be a good idea to include?
[20:55] <paultag> Yeah, I agree
[20:55] <paultag> czajkowski: this is just the display page, yeah?
[20:55] <czajkowski> perhaps this is something that should be worked on and released for next cycle.....
[20:55] <paultag> czajkowski: not the actual report page that is <<Include()>>'d
[20:55] <paultag> right?
[20:56] <czajkowski> this would be for the TEAM/ApprovalApplication TEAM/REApprovalApplication
[20:56] <paultag> Oh dur, right.
[20:56] <czajkowski> paultag: ^^
[20:56] <czajkowski> but one heading would be Team reports
[20:56] <paultag> Yup, +1 on that here. I think that will work very well
[20:56] <popey> something really simple, we need to keep the overhead for the teams low
[20:56] <popey> especially those non-native-english
[20:56] <paultag> +1 popey
[20:56] <popey> barrier to re-approval should be low for those who have plenty of stuff to show us
[20:56] <czajkowski> indeed
[20:57] <popey> it should be as easy for them to show it to us as it is for them to document it in the first place
[20:57] <czajkowski> atm it's KEy DEtails, Roadmap, and Experience
[20:57] <huats> I'd like to see the evolution since the last vote of the council
[20:57] <popey> maybe we can take copies of successful team re-approvals as examples?
[20:58] <czajkowski> popey: nice idea
[20:58] <czajkowski> colombia france were excellent ones
[20:58] <popey> yeah
[20:58] <czajkowski> but they are very detailed, we could do wiht one also for a smaller loco ?
[20:58] <popey> maybe make pdfs out of them
[20:59] <popey> freeze them in stone
[20:59] <czajkowski> great idea
[20:59] <czajkowski> popey: can I action that to you
[20:59] <popey> sure
[20:59] <czajkowski> [acton] popey to create pdfs of successful team re approvals as examples to help teams
[20:59] <czajkowski> [action] popey to create pdfs of successful team re approvals as examples to help teams
[20:59] <MootBot> ACTION received:  popey to create pdfs of successful team re approvals as examples to help teams
[20:59] <huats> I'd like to see in the reapproval application, the linkto the pdf of the approval application
[21:00] <popey> yup
[21:00] <huats> it is always nice to compare the planned roadmap to the real stuffs that happened
[21:00] <czajkowski> ok so perhaps we need to work on this a bit behind the scenes and then  come back with some ideas/drafts of wiki pages and then come up with the new page ?
[21:01] <huats> czajkowski, I agree
[21:01] <czajkowski> ok so
[21:01] <czajkowski> huats: can I action you this item to kick off a mail and a sample wiki page of some new headings for council to work on
[21:01] <huats> czajkowski, go ahead
[21:02] <huats> :)
[21:02] <czajkowski> [action] huats to set up a sample new wiki page for applications and to kick off email for loco council to work on
[21:02] <MootBot> ACTION received:  huats to set up a sample new wiki page for applications and to kick off email for loco council to work on
[21:02] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[21:02] <ActionParsnip> sorry a bit late, work was a pig
[21:02] <czajkowski> ok are there any other areas we need to cover, EMEA is on next
[21:03] <paultag> I think that's it :)
[21:03] <huats> thanks everyone for the meeting
[21:03] <czajkowski> #endmeeting
[21:03] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 15:03.
[21:03] <czajkowski> thanks folks
[21:03] <ActionParsnip> am I late?
[21:04] <popey> ActionParsnip: no
[21:04] <paultag> ActionParsnip: LoCo Council meeting just ended :)
[21:04] <popey> perfectly on time
[21:04] <ActionParsnip> popey: sweet
[21:04] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/EMEA
[21:04] <highvoltage> EMEA RMB shouldn't be too long today :)
[21:05]  * drubin is here but on shacky interwebs
[21:05] <popey> highvoltage: who are we missing
[21:05] <czajkowski> o/
[21:05]  * ogra_cmpc snorkels
[21:05] <czajkowski> we have apologies from Dennis
[21:06] <highvoltage> and stgraber is on the phone with a client, not sure how long that will last still :/
[21:06] <czajkowski> well we have 5/7
[21:07] <czajkowski> so that's ok
[21:07] <highvoltage> great
[21:07] <huats> goog meeting EMEA board )
[21:07] <czajkowski> someone gonna chair..
[21:07] <highvoltage> czajkowski: will you drive the bot?
[21:07] <czajkowski> highvoltage: if you do the report :)
[21:07] <popey> Teamwork!
[21:08] <czajkowski> that's a yes then
[21:08] <czajkowski> #startmeeting
[21:08] <MootBot> Meeting started at 15:08. The chair is czajkowski.
[21:08] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[21:08] <highvoltage> czajkowski: heh, sneaky :) (yes)
[21:08] <czajkowski> Aloha to EMEA RMB :)
[21:08] <czajkowski> [topic] Roy Jamison
[21:08]  * ActionParsnip sips tea
[21:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Roy Jamison
[21:08] <czajkowski> not present it would seem
[21:08] <ogra_cmpc> yeah
[21:08] <ogra_cmpc> sad
[21:09] <czajkowski> ok moving on
[21:09] <czajkowski> [topic] Majd Almontaser
[21:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  Majd Almontaser
[21:09] <highvoltage> pity
[21:09] <czajkowski> ttmtt??
[21:09] <czajkowski> also not hear,
[21:09] <czajkowski> do folks know they put their name down they have to turn up right?
[21:10] <czajkowski> [topic] Omar Mohsen
[21:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  Omar Mohsen
[21:10] <Mez> czajkowski: I've seen (a long time ago) people be passed without being there :P
[21:10] <ActionParsnip> ttmtt = http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=1095750
[21:10] <czajkowski> egyparadox ?
[21:10] <czajkowski> ok this is slightly annoying
[21:10] <czajkowski> [topic] Andrew Woodhead
[21:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  Andrew Woodhead
[21:10] <ActionParsnip> least i'm here or it'd be a washout
[21:10] <czajkowski> ActionParsnip: hey there!
[21:11] <ActionParsnip> hi czajkowski
[21:11] <czajkowski> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ActionParsnip
[21:11] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ActionParsnip
[21:12] <highvoltage> ActionParsnip: please tell us a bit about yourself!
[21:12] <popey> "highest Karma in the questions section being the first to beach the 100000 mark with 166739 "
[21:12] <popey> thats a lot of karma
[21:12] <ActionParsnip> what you wanna know?
[21:12] <ActionParsnip> yep, lotsa karma
[21:12] <popey> however...
[21:12] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanPope?action=diff&rev2=11&rev1=10
[21:12] <popey> :)
[21:12] <Mez> popey: he musta done or be scheduled to do lots of bad things to balance it out :P
[21:13] <ActionParsnip> yeah, thats pretty rad popey
[21:13] <popey> so i completely understand the commitment to answering questions!
[21:13] <ActionParsnip> so what you wanna know, i need some structure to pad out, you want my favourite colour an stuff?
[21:14] <highvoltage> ActionParsnip: what is your favourite colour?
[21:14] <czajkowski> ActionParsnip: are you involved in your loco ?
[21:14] <ActionParsnip> The colour a clear sky goes when its a clear sky, not quite black but not blue
[21:14] <drubin> ActionParsnip: You said you admin mostly windows servers Do you deal with any linux servers?
[21:15] <highvoltage> ActionParsnip: following czajkowski's question, do you have any interest in expanding your ubuntu activities beyond support?
[21:15] <ActionParsnip> czajkowski: not been to one yet, i kinda just work and sleep when I work, then go out and check stuff when I'm off. i use my phone to post on launchpad and chat on irc
[21:15] <ActionParsnip> highvoltage: sure, if I can help then sure
[21:15] <czajkowski> ActionParsnip: which is your loco team ?
[21:15] <popey> ActionParsnip: whereabouts in the country are you?
[21:15] <ActionParsnip> its fun to help
[21:16] <ActionParsnip> popey: Leeds, Yorkshire, UK
[21:16] <ActionParsnip> czajkowski: not sure
[21:16] <popey> ah okay, I know it :)
[21:16] <ActionParsnip> capital of the world :)
[21:16] <popey> heh
[21:16] <popey> what drives you to contribute?
[21:16] <highvoltage> I have no further questions
[21:17]  * ogra_cmpc is a clear +1, beating seb128 in karma alone is worth a +10
[21:17] <highvoltage> oh I thought we have to wait for the bot before doing that
[21:17] <ActionParsnip> popey: half loving the OS but also because I dont get issues
[21:17] <ogra_cmpc> highvoltage, that was just a comment ;)
[21:17] <highvoltage> ok :)
[21:17] <ActionParsnip> I buy stupidly supported hardware very on purpose so have no issues
[21:17]  * drubin doesn't need any other info.
[21:18] <ActionParsnip> so i help others to compensate and it's taught me as much as I would have had if i'd had issues
[21:18] <czajkowski> ActionParsnip: well you're in the UK, so the UK loco.
[21:18] <drubin> ActionParsnip: Would be nice to be more involved in your loco ;-p but that doesn't affect my vote personally
[21:18] <ActionParsnip> czajkowski: makes sense
[21:18] <drubin> Loco's aren't for every one ;-p
[21:18] <czajkowski> ActionParsnip: do you know about locos?
[21:18] <ActionParsnip> drubin: it's always in stupid London and London is a horrible place, plus I dont drive
[21:19] <ActionParsnip> czajkowski: a tiny bit
[21:19] <popey> ActionParsnip: Leeds Global Jam it is then!
[21:19] <drubin> ActionParsnip: what about having a mini loco type even in Leeds?
[21:19] <highvoltage> how about voting!
[21:19] <drubin> ActionParsnip: Our loco is kinda split up by distance so we have our own little mini events it is pretty cool
[21:19] <popey> how about that!
[21:19] <drubin> waiting for the bot drivers?
[21:19] <czajkowski> [vote] please vote on Andrew Woodhead / ActionParsnip membership.. Only board members vote please
[21:19] <MootBot> Please vote on:  please vote on Andrew Woodhead / ActionParsnip membership.. Only board members vote please.
[21:19] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
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[21:19] <drubin> +1
[21:19] <MootBot> +1 received from drubin. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[21:19] <highvoltage> +1 [ great support effort that is clearly sustained ]
[21:19] <MootBot> +1 received from highvoltage. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[21:19] <popey> +1
[21:19] <ogra_cmpc> +1
[21:19] <MootBot> +1 received from popey. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[21:19] <MootBot> +1 received from ogra_cmpc. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[21:20] <czajkowski> +1
[21:20] <MootBot> +1 received from czajkowski. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[21:20] <ActionParsnip> wow this is crazy :D
[21:20] <czajkowski> #endvote
[21:20] <popey> Welcome!
[21:20] <czajkowski> [endvote]
[21:20] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5
[21:20] <czajkowski> ActionParsnip: well done
[21:20] <drubin> ActionParsnip: Well done
[21:20] <ogra_cmpc> \o/
[21:20] <czajkowski> [action] highvoltage to write up August Team report
[21:20] <MootBot> ACTION received:  highvoltage to write up August Team report
[21:20] <ogra_cmpc> great
[21:20] <popey> tbh I'm surprised you weren't already a member!
[21:20] <highvoltage> czajkowski: almost done! this month happens to be particularly easy :)
[21:20] <ActionParsnip> thanks guys, you're the best
[21:20] <popey> added to ~ubuntumembers
[21:20] <drubin> hey I don't mind doing this months?
[21:21] <ActionParsnip> popey: thought I become more active
[21:21] <czajkowski> [action] highvoltage chair next meeting
[21:21] <MootBot> ACTION received:  highvoltage chair next meeting
[21:21] <czajkowski> #endmeeting
[21:21] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 15:21.
[21:21] <ogra_cmpc> wow
[21:21] <highvoltage> wow in record time
[21:22] <czajkowski> still disapointing folks adding nicks but not showing up :(
[21:22] <drubin> record time
[21:22] <popey> it happens
[21:22] <drubin> ActionParsnip: Thanks for pitching up
[21:22] <drubin> highvoltage: link for the report?
[21:22] <popey> keep up the great work ActionParsnip
[21:22] <ActionParsnip> czajkowski: yeah kinda sad but c'est la vie
[21:22] <ActionParsnip> popey: always
[21:22] <ActionParsnip> drubin: pleasure as always
[21:23] <ActionParsnip> so whats the form now??
[21:23] <popey> ActionParsnip: also, get thee to #ubuntu-irc and get your cloak
[21:23] <popey> and follow the Membership page to get your LWN subscription
[21:23] <ActionParsnip> popey: i'll bring my swiftest steed
[21:23] <popey> (which is one of the best things about being an Ubuntu member IMO)
[21:23] <drubin> ActionParsnip: and @ubuntu email :)
[21:23] <popey> email will take a day or two
[21:24] <popey> its semi-automatic
[21:24] <ActionParsnip> no worries
[21:24] <ActionParsnip> popey: I'm in #ubuntu-irc
[21:25] <ActionParsnip> cloak is kinda meaningless to me, don't understand the hubub
[21:25] <ActionParsnip> but if it's coming, i'm game
[21:29] <Mez> ActionParsnip: -> #ubuntu-ops :
[21:30] <Mez> popey: lol - my LWN subscription - I put in a request through Debian - it got spam filtered... then I applied through Ubuntu, and got added under Debian just before I got added under Ubuntu :)
[21:30] <Mez> @ ActionParsnip for the cloak, that is.
[21:30] <ActionParsnip> Mez: I'm there dude
[21:30] <popey> Mez: -irc is fine
[21:30] <ActionParsnip> i'm in both
[21:31] <Mez> popey: ah, I don't know - its all changed since my day ;)
[21:31] <popey> yeah, let the professionals do the job :p
[21:31] <ajmitch> Mez: you make it sound like you're old
[21:32] <Mez> ajmitch: I've got the receding hairline :D
[21:35] <highvoltage> drubin: e-mailed, will put it up just now
[21:36] <highvoltage> popey: you usually edit the agenda to clear out the applications right?
[21:38] <popey> uhm
[21:38] <popey> sometimes, yes :)
[21:39] <popey> will do now
[21:39] <popey> thanks for the reminder
[21:40] <popey> done
[21:40] <popey> well, would be if the wiki didnt give me http 500 :S
[21:40]  * czajkowski kicks the wiki 
[21:42]  * popey thinks we should clear out some old crap from the wiki at the global jam
[21:43] <popey> archive off some pages, pdf them, and delete them
[21:43] <popey> not necessarily in that order of course
[21:45] <czajkowski> popey: what area of the wiki? with regrads to loco council ?
[21:52] <ActionParsnip> am I still needed?
[21:52] <czajkowski> nope
[21:53] <czajkowski> we can all sleep
[21:53] <ActionParsnip> cool, i need it
[21:54] <ActionParsnip> 12 hour shift sucks
[21:56] <ActionParsnip> thanks again guys
[21:56] <ActionParsnip> peace
[21:59] <popey> czajkowski: the whole thing
[21:59] <czajkowski> wont argue with you there
[21:59] <czajkowski> but maybe that is something we the LC could work on over those days
[21:59] <czajkowski> be nice to create some sort of a index to our pages
[22:00] <czajkowski> we have a lot of content there now and some is translated and others aren't it'd be good to highligh areas that need some work ?
[22:00] <popey> that would also be handy
[22:00] <popey> also, cc meeting o'clock?
[22:01] <czajkowski> I'm still awake may as well do the 3rd meeting , finally one I don't have to chair :)
[22:01]  * pleia2 waves
[22:02]  * Technoviking waves
[22:03]  * charlie-tca observing
[22:04] <popey> eek
[22:04]  * popey straightens his tie
[22:06]  * highvoltage observes too
[22:06]  * czajkowski waits for things to start
[22:06] <popey> okay https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[22:06] <popey> #startmeeting
[22:06] <MootBot> Meeting started at 16:06. The chair is popey.
[22:06] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[22:06] <sabdfl> hello
[22:06] <popey> hi
[22:06] <popey> we have two things on the agenda..
[22:07]  * popey pings AlanBell 
[22:07] <popey> you about AlanBell to talk about "Allowing non-English posts on planet.ubuntu.com"
[22:08] <AlanBell> hi
[22:08] <popey> [TOPIC] Allowing non-English posts on planet.ubuntu.com
[22:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Allowing non-English posts on planet.ubuntu.com
[22:08] <popey> woot, i can drive the bot after all
[22:08] <popey> AlanBell: did you want to discuss that at this meeting?
[22:08] <AlanBell> right, so there has been some discussion recently about posts on the planet in non-english languages
[22:09] <AlanBell> and it was suggested that it might be a topic to discuss with the CC
[22:09] <AlanBell> personally I am in favour of people writing in an assortment of languages, the planet is an aggregation of "what Members write"
[22:09] <popey> what's your thinking?
[22:10] <pleia2> there is currently no prohibition on non-english posts, the guidelines are "should attempt to use English where possible to reach the widest possible audience"
[22:11] <pleia2> if you're not interested in reaching the "widest possible audience" I don't really see a problem with non-english posts
[22:11] <AlanBell> true enough, but there was a rather negative reaction to one recent non-english post
[22:11] <AlanBell> that is my view too
[22:11] <sabdfl> i would rather we set up appropriate planets for other languages
[22:11] <popey> would there be a problem once the proportion of EN to non-EN gets above a certain threshold and the planet becomes 'mostly non-EN' at which point EN speakers will find it problematic to read?
[22:11] <sabdfl> fr.planet.ubuntu.com
[22:11] <popey> i agree
[22:12] <AlanBell> there are other language planets, and loco planets
[22:12] <sabdfl> along with an offer of translation volunteers for *particularly* noteworthy blogs (or even just reposts of links to translate.google.*)
[22:12] <popey> no reason not to aggregate those planets on a global planet
[22:12] <sabdfl> popey: except, while it's romantic in concept, nobody would actually read it
[22:12] <popey> true
[22:12] <popey> unless there was technical magic that made them all $my_locale
[22:12] <AlanBell> the language planets that exist are not just posts of Ubuntu Members
[22:13] <popey> i.e. google chrome
[22:13] <sabdfl> would you subscribe to a feed that  you could only understand 20% of? and if ubuntu continues to grow as wonderfully, english will be 20% of the total, max
[22:13] <popey> if it was automagically translated, yes, probably
[22:13] <sabdfl> can i haz babelfish?
[22:13] <sabdfl> oh dear
[22:13] <sabdfl> i think i screwed that up
[22:13] <AlanBell> I would (but I doubt it would get that much)
[22:13] <sabdfl> i can haz babelfish?
[22:13] <sabdfl> to eat?
[22:13] <AlanBell> nom
[22:14] <popey> heh, yet another 10.10.10. idea :)
[22:14] <czajkowski> AlanBell: but it could.  and while you can click on a post and open it up and translate a post, having them all in one RSS feed like many do would lead to a lot of cranky people trying to read the planet
[22:14] <popey> or cranky people _not_ reading the planet
[22:14] <sabdfl> let's call it Project Babelfish :-)
[22:14] <czajkowski> cranky folks are not what we want really :)
[22:15] <AlanBell> the raison d'etre of the planet is to aggregate members, not to aggregate great English blogs about Ubuntu
[22:15] <popey> I suspect most would rather subscribe to a planet they can read than one they cannot
[22:16] <popey> as sabdfl suggested a romantic idea to let everyone post in their own language, but ultimately who would hear the tree fall?
[22:16] <AlanBell> also makes for a damn good test of UTF-8 and RTL support in assorted feed readers :-)
[22:16] <sabdfl> that's true :-)
[22:17] <AlanBell> it really isn't going to end up with masses of posts in other languages, just looking at the demographics of the members
[22:19] <AlanBell> if it gets to 80% english, 20% others I would be surprised, and I would also be quite capable of translating the ones with interesting looking pictures, and skiping the ones that I don't feel like putting the effort into reading
[22:19] <pleia2> AlanBell: I tend to agree
[22:20] <AlanBell> at the moment we have a rule, phrased as a guideline (like the pirate code arrr)
[22:20] <AlanBell> which results in the occasional post in non-english having a load of nasty comments on it and people pointing at the rule/guideline as a justification for their negativity
[22:21] <huats> I think something that should be considered is also the web indexing. I am not sure of how it would be handled in many languages. (well I am not sure if I can speak or not)
[22:21] <popey> i do like the idea of separate planets, or feeds which allow people to select which langs they can see
[22:22] <AlanBell> yup, some kind of technical tagging enhancement would be great
[22:22] <popey> well
[22:22] <Daviey> Hello!
[22:22] <pleia2> separate feeds would be nice
[22:22] <AlanBell> planet.ubuntu.com/fr+en  would be kind of awesome
[22:22] <popey> introducing Daviey and his new magic planet :)
[22:22] <pleia2> not so much separate planets :\
[22:22] <AlanBell> moons perhaps?
[22:22] <popey> on sticks?
[22:22] <Daviey> Okay...  planet won't really scale for multi language planets IMO
[22:23] <Daviey> as in planet, planet that we currently have
[22:23] <Daviey> you will have to forgive me, i'm not exactly prepared for this topic :/
[22:23] <popey> sorry, i poked Daviey a moment ago knowing he's worked on this
[22:23] <popey> well, this being planets, not this being multi-lingual planets
[22:23] <sabdfl> well, nasty comments should not go unchallenged, though gently
[22:24] <Daviey> http://ubuntuuk.daviey.com/planet/ <-- is an old design, based on a fork of a django based planet app called feedjack
[22:24] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://ubuntuuk.daviey.com/planet/ <-- is an old design, based on a fork of a django based planet app called feedjack
[22:24] <Daviey> ^^ that includes openid support, with team based authentication access
[22:24] <sabdfl> sweet!
[22:24] <AlanBell> sabdfl: the comments were addressed appropriately
[22:25] <Daviey> http://erk.daviey.com/u-uk-planet.png <-- is the newer implementation
[22:25] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://erk.daviey.com/u-uk-planet.png <-- is the newer implementation
[22:25] <Daviey> (note the button to Add Planet)
[22:25] <sabdfl> note the button theme, generally
[22:25] <Daviey> When a user adds there feed, it would be reasonably trival to ask what language they will be posting in
[22:26] <inetpro> how about all.planet.ubuntu.com to give those few who would like to read everything a page with all the lingos
[22:27] <Daviey> planet.ubuntu.com{/fr/,/de/,/etc/} seems like a good fit?
[22:27] <popey> i think the technical implementation of how one subscribes can be figured out later, i guess the main question is not 'how should we' but 'should we'
[22:27] <inetpro> I certainly would not want to waste my bandwidth downloading pages that I have can not possibly understand
[22:28] <inetpro> s/I have can/I can/
[22:28]  * Daviey finds it frustrating when his native language isn't posted on the planet...  I obviously don't object, but i would prefer to see it natively. :)
[22:28] <pleia2> as long as the main planet.ubuntu.com remains an aggregation of all feeds, I'm happy with any solution, I wouldn't want to segregate out folks who aren't english-speaking members
[22:28] <pleia2> but if someone really wants english only, planet.ubuntu.com/en/ would be nice
[22:28] <popey> that sounds fair
[22:29]  * AlanBell agrees with pleia2 
[22:29] <popey> especially if it's well documented
[22:29] <Daviey> pleia2: It could be possible to hide your non-native language via cookies.. which would fit both ideas
[22:29] <popey> we could totally blog about this! ;)
[22:29] <AlanBell> popey: but in English please
[22:29] <popey> Daviey: hard to do with rss readers surely?
[22:29] <drubin> Daviey: Noo that breaks rrss readers
[22:29] <Daviey> popey: in that instance you use a language based url, ie /de
[22:29] <popey> right
[22:30]  * Daviey just throws these crazy ideas out there..
[22:30] <popey> Daviey: would you be willing to work on a demo site that had these features?
[22:30] <popey> indeed do you have the time to?
[22:30] <Daviey> popey: Yes.. i think there is a team of people eager to get involved :)
[22:30] <popey> :)
[22:31] <pleia2> woohoo
[22:31] <Daviey> they just need some extra encouragement
[22:31] <popey> AlanBell: does that sound acceptable?
[22:31]  * Daviey waves at mhall119 o/ cjohnston o/ and some others
[22:31] <AlanBell> certainly does
[22:32] <AlanBell> Daviey: one blog could easily have posts in two or more languages remember
[22:32] <popey> [ACTION] daviey to work (with others) on a demo multi-lingual planet
[22:32] <MootBot> ACTION received:  daviey to work (with others) on a demo multi-lingual planet
[22:32] <popey> AlanBell: implementation details ;)
[22:32] <Daviey> AlanBell: yeah.. i think version 1 would really need pre-declaring what language your primary posts will be in.
[22:32] <popey> anyone else got any comments on this topic?
[22:32] <pleia2> nope, thanks Daviey!
[22:32] <AlanBell> ok, so keep the rule/guideline in place until the technical enhancement is built
[22:33] <Daviey> AlanBell: If you want to brainstorm ideas, that would be equally appreciated!
[22:33]  * Daviey declares AlanBell his "Architect"
[22:33] <AlanBell> Daviey: yup, and we should pull in some people who actually post in other languages
[22:34] <popey> great stuff chaps!
[22:34]  * AlanBell adjusts fees accordingly
[22:34]  * inetpro will watch this debate with a great deal of interest
[22:34] <Daviey> OK.. thanks for having me.. Returning to lurk mode o/
[22:34] <AlanBell> o/
[22:34] <popey> thanks Daviey much appreciated
[22:34] <inetpro> we have 11 official languages in South Africa
[22:34] <popey> [TOPIC] Adding the FSF blog to planet.ubuntu.com
[22:34] <MootBot> New Topic:  Adding the FSF blog to planet.ubuntu.com
[22:34] <popey> dpic is not about and brought this up on the mailing list
[22:34] <sabdfl> i don't think having a default language for the project is discriminatory
[22:35] <sabdfl> i think we should certainly create facilities to encourage expression in any language
[22:36] <sabdfl> i think the default url, planet.ubuntu.com shoudl stay English, as that's the language used for debate, development and major announcements
[22:36] <inetpro> sabdfl: for now that is :-)
[22:36] <sabdfl> sorry, i was catching up, and didn't want to let the multi-lingual meme get carried away
[22:36] <charlie-tca> I agree with sabdfl. A default language does not discriminate.
[22:37] <popey> thanks sabdfl
[22:37] <popey> ok, moving on, FSF on planet ubuntu?
[22:37] <popey> the suggestion was made that they tag entries with 'ubuntu'
[22:37] <pleia2> I don't think it discriminates, I just think it would be unfortunate to miss out on the international flavor of the project (I use chrome's translate feature often)
[22:37] <sabdfl> pleia2: let's have a separate aggregator, /+babel
[22:38] <sabdfl> anyhoo, moving along with the chair
[22:38] <sabdfl> any seconds for the tag suggestion?
[22:38] <popey> +1 for the hhgttg reference
[22:39] <pleia2> seems reasonable, pretty much in line with the corporate blog policy
[22:39] <Technoviking> the seems fine to me
[22:39] <popey> +1 to the tag
[22:39] <sabdfl> i'm interested to see if they acknowledge that we've always been on the pragmatic side of the copyleft debate
[22:40] <sabdfl> (+1 from me too)
[22:40] <sabdfl> i think that's quorum
[22:41] <popey> the suggestion was sent to Danny.
[22:41] <popey> should we confirm via mail to Danny that this is the decision of the CC?
[22:42] <pleia2> can't hurt
[22:43] <sabdfl> i'm happy to err on the side of being a big tent with lots of voices inside
[22:43] <sabdfl> http://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2010/01/14/ubuntu-debian.html
[22:43] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2010/01/14/ubuntu-debian.html
[22:43] <popey> sorry, mum just called having trouble getting her mail in chrome on ubuntu
[22:43] <popey> brb
[22:45] <popey> back
[22:45] <popey> \o/ vnc over ssh
[22:45] <sabdfl> braveheart
[22:45] <pleia2> :)
[22:46] <sabdfl> so yes, popey could you reply to danny, affirmative with tag for relevance?
[22:46] <popey> sure
[22:46] <popey> [ACTION] popey to reply to Danny with recommendation that FSF use Ubuntu tag for posts to planet ubuntu
[22:46] <MootBot> ACTION received:  popey to reply to Danny with recommendation that FSF use Ubuntu tag for posts to planet ubuntu
[22:47] <popey> [TOPIC] Any Other Business
[22:47] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any Other Business
[22:47] <popey> Anything?
[22:47] <sabdfl> all clear here. should report that debconf this year was most welcoming yet, at least to me
[22:47] <sabdfl> jorge gave a great talk on ubuntu-debian relations
[22:47] <pleia2> that's great to hear :)
[22:47] <Technoviking> excellent:)
[22:47] <popey> oh yes, you gave a talk on Unity?
[22:48] <sabdfl> well received, interesting questions, only one pointed comment on U1 which is understandable
[22:48] <popey> was it videoed?
[22:48] <czajkowski> shall we be seeing the CC doing monthly reports from now on ?
[22:48] <popey> czajkowski: ok, will do one
[22:48] <sabdfl> i think it was, not my greatest oratory but the questions were good
[22:48] <popey> [ACTION] popey to do monthly report for the CC this month
[22:48] <MootBot> ACTION received:  popey to do monthly report for the CC this month
[22:48] <sabdfl> popey: does shakespeare have any good quotes to the effect of "YOU ROCK"?
[22:48] <sabdfl> if so, i doth quoth the bard in your direction ;-)
[22:49] <popey> arf
[22:49] <czajkowski> grin
[22:49]  * czajkowski hugs popey THANK YOU
[22:49] <sabdfl> is that a wrap?
[22:49]  * ajmitch agrees on jcastro's talk being excellent, the bit of it that could be heard on the live stream :)
[22:49]  * popey takes the bottle of gin from sabdfl 
[22:49]  * inetpro lol
[22:49] <popey> yes
[22:49] <AlanBell> "shall I compare thee to a summer's day?" is probably the closest
[22:49] <pleia2> thanks everyone
[22:49] <pleia2> AlanBell: haha
[22:49] <sabdfl> ftr, i'm jetlagged, not gin-lagged ;-)
[22:49] <popey> #endmeeting
[22:49] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 16:49.
[22:50] <popey> AlanBell: big and hot?
[22:50] <sabdfl> cheers all
[22:50] <sabdfl> wrong channel?
[22:50] <popey> heh
[22:50] <AlanBell> lol
[23:43] <mhall119> Daviey: what were you waving for?