[01:32] ripps: hello [03:07] hey guys, i have some questions about internationalisation and translation. Specifically regarding gettext utilities. Wiould anyone be able to point me to the most appropriate channel for asking those questions ? [03:09] mase_wk: #ubuntu-translators? [03:11] ok thanks will try there. [07:49] good morning [07:54] morn [09:00] bdrung, Laney: ubuntu-dev project has been just approved on alioth [09:01] awesome [09:41] DktrKranz: great, i requested to join [09:42] DktrKranz: did you request a mailing list? [09:59] bdrung: I did, I have to configure it properly first, though [10:19] bdrung, ajmitch: approved :) [10:21] DktrKranz: thanks :) === fta_ is now known as fta === ApOgEE__ is now known as ApOgEE === fta_ is now known as fta [11:03] <\sh> siretart: I uploaded a fix to the Volumes.pm problem of ian...send you and him an email [11:06] Laney: done [11:06] DktrKranz: you are fast! thanks [11:07] ssssh! :) [11:08] we've to decide ML title [11:21] DktrKranz! gtg backport! [11:31] DktrKranz! new gtg release! [11:31] huhu Rhonda :D [11:32] sebner: pffft :) === yofel_ is now known as yofel [12:05] http://alioth.debian.org/~laney-guest/bug-reporters.txt [12:05] UDD is fun [12:10] What's that query? [12:10] * geser should file more bugs in the Debian BTS :) [12:12] Rhonda: I don't think you want to see it :P [12:13] but it's in my home-directory on alioth [12:13] cat ~laney-guest/udd-bugs.pl [12:13] for some reason it doesn't run right from that script though, so I just generated the resultset from psql directly [12:14] * ajmitch isn't on that list... [12:14] ajmitch: It searches for @ubuntu @canonical or origin-ubuntu usertag [12:15] Rhonda: try ~laney-guest/ubuntu-bts-reporters.txt, that's just the query [12:15] probably because I use @d.o & never use the usertags as I should [12:15] ajmitch: I don't know how you can be classified as an ubuntu person then [12:15] I can't, but I don't mind that :) [12:16] indeed [12:16] it's just a bit of fun anyway. I don't think such metrics are meaningful [12:17] nice to see how short a script it can be done with [12:17] Laney: doing a debian census, are we? :D [12:18] vish: Just seeing what can be done with UDD [12:18] * vish has double digits count, yay! [12:21] * ajmitch should file more bugs [12:21] It's another one of those useless comparisons without enough deeper insight like 16% vs. 1% gnome contribution or 7.2% vs. 2.8% of open bugs with patches. [12:22] I always tried to promote for the Debian (website) translation work to *not* look at the numbers because that's a look for quantity instead of quality … [12:22] but having 600k bugs is good, no? :) [12:22] Unfortunately I regularly have failed to get that point across and people still pride themself with numbers. :/ [12:23] ajmitch: Neither Debian nor Ubuntu has 600k bugs. Or maybe. Again depends of point of view and how to try to lie with statistics. :) [12:23] launchpad karma is a good example of numbers influencing what people do [12:24] Actually, it's also easy to cheat your way into karma without too much work done or even _important_ work done. [12:24] Usually important work takes longer and gives less karma. [12:24] Thanks for yet another nice example for bad number chasing. [12:24] I can't say I've ever looked at the karma of anyone other than myself, and even then only for curiosity [12:25] Laney: take a look at the karma for someone who touches a lot of blueprints [12:25] and I doubt that anyone forwards bugs to Debian in order to get up some kind of ranking [12:25] ajmitch: I know it's there, but does it really influence anything or anyone? [12:25] ajmitch: yeah , some one recently did that before applying for an Ubuntu membership :s [12:25] it does for some people when they're going for membership [12:25] ajmitch: of course they didnt get it ;) [12:25] I'd hope that the membership boards can see beyond it [12:26] they do [12:26] Laney: they use the karma to quantify work , *if* work is based on lp.. [12:27] but not a necessity. [12:28] That data I just generated is interesting to see who is active in Debian, but I don't think you could use it to play anyone off against anyone else [12:28] it's not comparable to the gnome census thing [12:28] interesting to look at though [12:29] Laney: nah , i was just kidding.. :) [12:36] DktrKranz: going to post somewhere about that team? === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [12:41] Rhonda: gtg backport is an issue, a patch has to be reverted, I asked invernizzi about it [12:41] sebner: pack it! [12:42] DktrKranz: release it! [12:45] DktrKranz: Ah, right, remember you mention that before. My bad memory on the one hand and really wanting it on the other hand are fighting each other. :) [12:45] it's not a trivial change, so I'd like to hear from him before attempting [12:46] sebner: link link link :D [12:52] q. any kind enougth to explain dh_usrlocal ? i read the man page but i dont get it. dh_usrlocal is complaining when i do 'debuild -i -us -uc -b' [12:56] ok ignored it with override_dh_usrlocal ... lets hope it is not dangerous :) [14:05] So.. If I had to fix a broken .dsc file but have all the files, how do I correctly unpack it? Can I use dget after I have the files? [14:05] dpkg-source -x .dsc [14:05] thanks :) [14:08] jetienne: what error did you got? [14:10] If the .dsc file is broken, how should dpkg-source -x work? [14:10] geser: about dh_usrlocal ? [14:10] dh_usrlocal: debian/neoip-utils/usr/local/lib/neoip-utils/node-neoip.kpf is not a directory <- i got many like this one at the end of "debuild -i -us -uc -b" geser [14:11] jetienne: why do you have files in /usr/local/ in the first place? [14:11] geser: because i copy them there... not sure what you mean [14:11] packages shouldn't use /usr/local, it's for the local sysadmin [14:12] geser: ok. where should i put files which are script, aka not i386 native [14:13] /usr/share/ if they are arch-indep and /usr/lib/ else [14:15] geser: thanks it did the job. [14:15] unusual-interpreter i got a lot of these too. i guess this is normal [14:16] which interpreter? [14:16] nodejs [14:16] script-not-executable those too [14:16] if that's a binary provided by that package, then that's expected, add an override for the unusual-interpreter [14:17] if they should be executable, then you need to fix that [14:18] tumbleweed: how can i override litian stuff ? [14:20] jetienne: you only override if you *know* you are right. dh_lintian can install binary package overrides. source package overrides are found as described in the lintian manpage [14:21] tumbleweed: hmm ok, well i dunno much [14:21] i guess i will live with the warning for now [14:21] what warnings? [14:23] embedded-javascript-library extra-license-file readme-debian-contains-debmake-template binary-without-manpage unusual-interpreter. [14:23] for only the few firsts :) [14:23] jetienne: almost all of those need to be fixed, unusual-interpreter was thone I was saying you may need to override eventually [14:24] (err, not need to, may want to) [14:24] tumbleweed: i understand. just a matter of priority [14:25] LucidFox, hi, I remember reading in your Behind MOTU interview that you live in Russia. I've been looking at a couple of Russian locale bugs, and I wanted to ask you about your opinion on bug 124987. From what I understand, the patch does make sense, but I would like to have confirmation by a Russian speaker before finding someone who could have a look at applying it. [14:25] Launchpad bug 124987 in langpack-locales (Ubuntu) "Month names in Russian Localization should be in lowercase" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124987 [15:13] grold: it would be nice if you asked me before requesting syncs of ruby packages. I don't think that syncing ruby1.9.1 now is particularly useful [15:19] lucas, ok. next time will ask === fta_ is now known as fta === aalex_home is now known as aalex === fta_ is now known as fta [16:33] Hi, I am intrested to become MOTU. [16:36] MichealH: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers [16:38] So how would I go about uploading to universe? [16:38] MichealH: you can't until you become a developer which that link will explain the process [16:39] MichealH: you can have uploads sponsored if you want [16:39] MichealH: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers [16:39] oops [16:39] MichealH: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess === fta_ is now known as fta [17:07] dholbach, whenever you have time: 613016 :-) [17:07] bug 613016 [17:07] Launchpad bug 613016 in mtdev (Ubuntu) "libmtdev-dev includes .la library" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/613016 [17:07] thanks ;-) [17:09] I'm debuggin epiphany-browser (LP #611787) and I've found that it's looking for /usr/lib/libgirepository-1.0.so.0, but only /usr/lib/libgirepository-1.0.so.1 is there. it works fine if I symlink the new version to the old version though [17:09] Launchpad bug 611787 in epiphany-browser (Ubuntu) "epiphany-browser: error while loading shared libraries: libgirepository-1.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/611787 [17:09] What would be the best way to tell epiphany to use the new version? [17:10] ara: isn't time relative [17:10] funkyHat: you can't AFAIK, epiphany needs to be recompiled with the new version [17:10] dholbach, hehehe, I can imagine [17:11] Bachstelze: yes I know, I've recompiled it and the error still occurs [17:11] ara: a branch is enough, no need to file a bug === fta_ is now known as fta [17:17] anyone heard of Ubuntu Tweak? [17:17] do we want it in the archive? [17:19] Riddell: heard of it. [17:20] bdrung: heard good things or bad things? :) [17:20] apparently it isn't as bad as the (horrific) predecesors, no idea about code quality, though [17:20] Riddell: no bad things yet. [17:21] but we should look at the code to check if it's sane [17:22] apps which tweak the settings of other apps just seem like a bad idea, if the original app can't do it there's probably a good reason [17:22] OTOH, if one of these things can be blessed, it'd make people less likely to destroy their machines [17:23] wow. [17:23] Riddell: then gconf-editor should be removed? [17:24] that's a different sort of UI [17:27] I suggest, relating to the ongoing thread, generalising (debranding/customising the branding) and maintianing it in Debian if you wish to do so :) === fta_ is now known as fta [17:52] Laney: are you talking about Ubuntu Tweak? [17:52] cody-somerville: are you wowing at Ubuntu Tweak? [17:53] no [17:53] http://doctormo.org/2010/08/03/is-this-acceptable/ === fta_ is now known as fta [18:06] Riddell: right [18:06] I didn't actually look at what it does [18:07] Laney: well it's in New and somehow I need to decide if I should accept it or no [18:07] oh [18:11] I can't even figure out its website === fta_ is now known as fta [18:49] Riddell, regarding ubuntu-tweak in NEW, my personal gut impulse would be "ugh, hackish way to do ugly things" [18:49] But well... it passed REVU then, I presume? [18:50] apachelogger: see, I'm not alone :) [18:50] LucidFox: I've no idea if it passed revu [18:50] automatix had fans :) [18:50] that was the one I'd been trying to remember the name of [18:50] Automatix also had gaping security issues [18:50] Riddell: well, I dunno how ubuntu tweak does things but we had a similar tool in KDE 3 times [18:51] there are settings that are just to marginal to justify being visible in the GUI [18:51] LucidFox: yes, indeed, that was kind of my point [18:51] apachelogger: we did? [18:51] yep [18:51] ubuntu-tweak is in REVU's "needs review", with 0 comments [18:51] * apachelogger packaged it :P [18:51] apachelogger: what was that? [18:51] gotta look [18:52] LucidFox: hmm maybe I should reject it on grounds it hasn't passed revu [18:52] Riddell: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-tweak [18:52] Riddell: I'm sure you can find a policy violation in there [18:53] does it modify files in /etc, for example? [18:53] Riddell: REVU is not obligatory IIRC, neither is getting two MOTU acks [18:53] indeed it isn't [18:55] it should... [18:55] (IMHO) === fta_ is now known as fta === fta_ is now known as fta === fta_ is now known as fta [20:30] didrocks: ping [20:35] didrocks: you didn't upload my patch in gegl [21:27] ari-tczew: hum? really? [21:28] ari-tczew: I had to go to the city center, just see a rejection, let me check [21:28] ari-tczew: ok, let me fix this [21:28] didrocks: are you aware of the sqlite3 3.7.0 performance problems? [21:28] morning [21:28] hi ajmitch [21:29] Laney: no, I'm not very found of sqlite to be honest, why? ;) [21:29] didrocks: it ruins banshee :) [21:29] or :( [21:29] * ajmitch WTB more RAM, this computer seems to be running out of swap :) [21:29] Laney: urgh :/ [21:30] Laney: is there a particular issue with that sqlite version? do you think we should move to another one for maverick? [21:30] didrocks: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=625783 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/612370 [21:30] ari-tczew: should be good now [21:30] Gnome bug 625783 in general "Banshee becomes extremely slow after sqlite3 3.6.23.1 => 3.7.0 upgrade" [Major,New] [21:30] I think you should somehow track it for the release [21:30] Laney: yeah, I'm subscribing to it [21:30] milestone for the beta possibly [21:30] Laney: do not hesitate to ping me if you get some news [21:30] I mailed upstream, but you should be aware of it [21:30] Laney: I'll discuss it in next week meeting [21:30] Laney: thanks a lot for the notice! [21:31] nps [21:42] ari-tczew: ok, the issue comes from a different tar.gz file, do you have some time to make a debdiff against the ubuntu version rather than the debian one, please? [21:42] ari-tczew: if not, I'll recreate it manually, but it will rock if you can handle that [22:09] didrocks: Done. Please upload it when you came back from city. [22:16] bdrung: how did you fix ~90 bugs in maverick? [22:26] ari-tczew: sponsored, thanks a lot! [22:27] didrocks: no problem, I propose cooperate more in future :> [22:28] ari-tczew: great! looking forward to it :) [22:28] didrocks: are you main sponsors also, right? [22:29] ari-tczew: yeah, if you need sponsorship, do not hesitate (I don't look at the list often as I'm quite overloaded with work, but if you ping me, it's ok :)) [22:29] didrocks: sounds great! [22:34] didrocks: now I got 2 merges remaining in sponsors-queue for main. are you interested? [22:34] ari-tczew: sure fire away [22:34] ari-tczew: will probably upload them after A3 though [22:34] one fixes CVE.. :) [22:34] didrocks: alpha3? [22:34] ari-tczew: and it's more than 23:30 here, will go to bed soon :) [22:35] ari-tczew: right, alpha3 [22:35] didrocks: okay okay, how can I inform you? [22:36] ari-tczew: just subscribe me to both bugs [22:36] I'll unsubscribe if it's not my area :) [22:36] didrocks: area? [22:38] ari-tczew: like kde package and such like X ones, plumbing…, I don't really work on them and prefer people who are aware of them sponsoring [22:39] didrocks: hmm, ok, will try :) === jenkins is now known as ubuntujenkins === ubuntujenkins is now known as jenkins [22:54] didrocks: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gegl/0.0.22-2ubuntu1/+build/1902830 why? it built fine on my pbuilder [22:54] could someone look at this? ^^ [22:55] ari-tczew: did i? from where do you have the number? [22:56] bdrung: bdrung@ubuntu.com has 88 fixes > http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/bug-fixing/maverick-fixes-report.html [22:56] ari-tczew: simple, libopenraw-dev is in universe while gegl (the source package) is in main [22:57] geser: so do I need to drop all B-D which are in universe? [22:57] ari-tczew: probably due to vlc [22:57] and some from eclipse [22:58] aha [22:59] ari-tczew: look at the changelog of vlc [22:59] :) [22:59] ari-tczew: yes, that's one solution (if it works) the other is to get libopenraw promoted to main (-> MIR) (and of course all of it's build-dependencies too if they aren't already in main) [23:00] geser: I think that easier is try to 1st solution ^^ [23:01] that's also often the preferred one === fta_ is now known as fta [23:14] geser: can I check easy whether B-D are good for package? [23:14] is it any tool for checking component? [23:14] ari-tczew: test in a main-only pbuilder? [23:15] tumbleweed: and what now? do I need to knock around my pbuilder for one test build? [23:16] ari-tczew: I don't know of any. I usually try to look at the component when apt downloads the build dependencies in my pbuilder [23:16] ari-tczew: what geser says sounds easy enough [23:17] but it's simple enough to hack your .pbuilderrc to allow variants (or add a hook that reads an environment variable and updates sources.list appropritately) [23:18] tumbleweed: do you have it done? [23:19] ari-tczew: you don't want to see my pubilder config :) === apachelogger is now known as gnomelogger [23:20] tumbleweed: why? [23:20] ari-tczew: also, no I haven't. I implemented variants, and then decided that that was stupid [23:21] tumbleweed: do you ashamed due to your pbuilder config? [23:22] ari-tczew: naah, it's just complex: http://paste.debian.net/82178/ [23:23] err, that's not th eright one [23:23] oh no it is [23:24] tumbleweed: I'm too tired for reading this. [23:25] * ajmitch just does it the lazy way & has a few separate configs [23:26] ajmitch: I had that, but then I found myself wondering why things aren't doing what I expect [23:27] given how little they differ I should probably roll them up into a single config [23:28] bdrung: you asked about unseeded vs universe on th esponsor queue: there are a bunch of unseeded branches that are main, and bug #221363 is listed as an unseeded bug [23:28] Launchpad bug 221363 in policykit-1 (Ubuntu) "Policy Kit Unlock Buttons Greyed Out when using NX / VNC / LTSP" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/221363 [23:29] tumbleweed: that does look to be in universe for lucid [23:30] (policykit), that is [23:30] ajmitch: the bug is not target at lucid though? [23:30] no [23:30] tumbleweed: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit [23:30] but the bug has multiple bug tasks [23:30] policykit-1 is in main, policykit in universe [23:31] jdong: holidays? [23:31] sponsoring page may only be looking at the last task listed [23:31] bdrung: oh, I was looking at the hover text on the policykit line in the bug [23:31] it must have been demoted after upload [23:32] who worked on the sponsors queue? we are down 139 (from ~190 yesterday) [23:33] bdrung: someone is "stealing" you work? :) [23:33] * tumbleweed has been hitting it a little [23:33] but not that much [23:33] geser: no. i just want to say: thank you [23:33] * ajmitch hasn't been stealing any work there [23:34] main: 132 -> 110, universe: 49 -> 28 [23:35] * ajmitch is going to try & focus on doing some work in debian for awhile [23:35] geser: when i work on the queue, i just keep it at the same level. i sponsor five requests and in this time five new ones are added :) [23:35] * tumbleweed needs to do that too. I got distracted from debian after getting MOTU rights [23:35] bdrung: we can let it creep up to ~50 or so if you prefer? [23:36] ajmitch: but only with sync requests. ;) (sponsor-patch is not ready yet) [23:36] dholbach does a lot of sponsoring [23:36] tumbleweed: I guess that happens :) [23:37] bdrung: sync requests are relatively easy though [23:37] ajmitch: yes, that one reason why i process them first [23:37] highvoltage: but by sponsoring, I'm helping people improve their development skills, but not applying myself to make debian/ubuntu better [23:37] I'd help in clean sponsors queue. [23:38] "jonathan@ubuntu.com has 1 fix" that's so sad :( [23:38] highvoltage: it's you? [23:38] * ajmitch is currently raging at python-setuptools being unhelpful, it's not conducive to getting things sponsored [23:39] tumbleweed: helping others getting better at contributing is big! [23:39] ari-tczew: yep, I guess that will get better over the next few weeks at least [23:39] highvoltage: yes, but it means I'm not working on some big jobs that I should be working on [23:39] highvoltage: you've got some time to do some bugfixing now? [23:40] tumbleweed: you will improve debian/ubuntu in the long run, because the contributor will become motu one day [23:40] bdrung: yes, I do enjoy it. [23:41] ajmitch: jonathan=highvoltage, yes, he got in early :) [23:41] tumbleweed: I know highvoltage from long ago :) [23:41] ajmitch: it will be some bugs in ltsp and edubuntu that I planned to work on over the next few weeks anyway :) [23:42] highvoltage: that bug I mentioned (#221363) is ltsp-related (and I'm dropping it off the sponsor queue because it's only a patch) [23:42] tumbleweed also knows me from long ago :) (well, and recently :)) [23:42] ajmitch: sorry, meant ari-tczew [23:44] * ajmitch feels old [23:45] highvoltage: back then we all thought you were crazy, using this silly ubuntu distribution... :) [23:46] you don't think he's crazy enough now? :) [23:47] ajmitch: it's nice on latops :P [23:47] s/laptops/devices with wi-fi/g :) [23:48] actually waking up from suspend is a *lot* faster on maverick (almost instant) on my hardware so someone have been doing real good work somewhere [23:48] I may have to upgrade then [23:48] since I've had the problem of often having resume take a long time [23:49] suspend is semi-broken for me atm. Must find out what the issue is... [23:49] some guy has uploaded a package to REVU, but now he is offline since 20th June. I'd to upload updated package. can I do it? [23:50] ari-tczew: have you tried contacting the user through LP? [23:50] ari-tczew: revu isn't a strict requirement for sponsoring a package, so if it's in good shape I guess you can make that judgement call [23:51] micahg: I picked his e-mail adress from LP and sent message by Evolution. [23:51] ari-tczew: k, and no response? [23:51] micahg: no response [23:52] his karma on launchpad says that he has been active last 20th June [23:52] possibly on holiday for awhile [23:52] ajmitch: fine, but I want to get this package before FFe [23:52] ari-tczew: yeah, so I guess like highvoltage said, you could take it over, but I'd try to give the user credit for whatever was done previously [23:53] can someone main sponsors take this one? bug 613234 [23:53] Launchpad bug 613234 in gegl (Ubuntu) "FTBFS gegl 0.0.22-2ubuntu1" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/613234 [23:54] I appreciate your comments and agree the idea is way past its best. But how else can a newspaper with a plummeting circulation get people to buy the paper?! [23:54] I appreciate your comments and agree the idea is way past its best. But how else can a newspaper with a plummeting circulation get people to buy the paper?! [23:54] oops [23:54] middle click...... [23:54] 'oops' indeed [23:54] lol [23:54] at least it wasn't obscene! [23:54] * Laney blames legacy X11 features [23:54] at least you didn't past a password! [23:55] maybe I did… [23:55] that would be a passphrase [23:55] pedants, in MY #ubuntu-motu‽ [23:56] never [23:56] * ajmitch hopes that debian NEW isn't moving too slowly at the moment