[02:56] <Ian_Daniher> dfarning: all I know is that it's important - the seed file contains config information for the boot phase
[15:42] <dfarning> manusheel, are you around?
[15:44] <manusheel> dfarning: Hi David.
[15:50] <manusheel> neeraj: Hi neeraj.
[15:50] <manusheel> Around?
[15:50] <manusheel> kandarpk: Hi Kandarp.
[15:50] <manusheel> Around?
[15:51] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: hello sir.
[15:51] <manusheel> kandarpk: How is the packaging of exelearning coming along?
[15:51] <manusheel> Any help required?
[15:51] <neeraj> manusheel sir, hi
[15:51] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: I started with pippy, and its almost complete
[15:51] <manusheel> neeraj: How did yesterdays' build process go?
[15:52] <manusheel> kandarpk: Great. Did you copy/paste the steps?
[15:52] <neeraj> ppa packages are build
[15:52] <manusheel> The steps followed.
[15:52] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: yes sir, every step
[15:52] <manusheel> neeraj: Ok.
[15:52] <manusheel> They were build successfully/
[15:52] <manusheel> ?
[15:52] <manusheel> kandarpk: Neat.
[15:52] <manusheel> Very good.
[15:53] <neeraj> manusheel sir, yes.. https://launchpad.net/~sugarteam/+archive/ppa
[15:54] <manusheel> neeraj: David is re-running a build.
[15:54] <manusheel> Did you get a chance to document the steps?
[15:54] <manusheel> neeraj: Re-running the build will take half to 1 hour.
[15:54] <neeraj> manusheel sir, ok
[15:54] <manusheel> kandarpk: Did you go through Jonas's e-mail?
[15:55] <manusheel> neeraj: Did you also go through Jonas's e-mail?
[15:57] <dfarning> neeraj, good morning.
[15:58] <neeraj> dfarning, good morning :)
[15:59] <dfarning> neeraj, I am running a new build with you new packages.
[15:59] <manusheel> dfarning: The ppa packages have been build successfully, which is neat. I believe we'll have an iso available for Maverick Sugar today, right? For testing bugs.
[15:59] <neeraj> manusheel, yes.. I saw the Jonan's e-mail. Will make changes whenever I can. :)
[16:00] <manusheel> neeraj: I would like you to have a discussion with Dipankar on it.
[16:00] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: just read it.
[16:00] <manusheel> neeraj: Me and Dipankar had a long conference call on it, and other packaging issues.
[16:01] <manusheel> kandarpk: We'll need to update the packages.
[16:01] <neeraj> manusheel sir, ok
[16:02] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: hmmm.
[16:02] <manusheel> kandarpk: I have asked Dipankar and Neeraj to come up with a document on "what Debian documentation says", and "what Jonas says" spreadsheet. So, leave the documentation part with them. The documentation available to us in not upto date.
[16:02] <manusheel> kandarpk: I have asked Dipankar and Ankur*
[16:03] <manusheel> neeraj, will be having a discussion with Dipankar on it.
[16:03] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: no major change is required
[16:03] <manusheel> kandarpk: Ok. But, whatever is required, let us do it.
[16:04] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: yes.
[16:04] <manusheel> The point is that unless these activities don't go into Debian, they would not be available to us for testing in Sugar on Debian.
[16:04] <kandarpk> ok.
[16:05] <manusheel> kandarpk: Once these activities are in Debian, we'll be able to follow up faster.
[16:07] <dfarning> manusheel, +1 exactly, once we do the initial work we will earn the trust to upload the packages with someone from Seeta doing the review.
[16:08] <dfarning> not waiting for anyone external
[16:08] <manusheel> dfarning: Yes. This is exactly what I am looking forward too.
[16:08] <manusheel> dfarning: How does Luke's schedule look like in the coming week?
[16:09] <dfarning> manusheel, I am not sure
[16:09] <manusheel> We would like him to review log viewer and a couple of other activities.
[16:09] <manusheel> dfarning: Absolutely fine. Will send him an e-mail.
[16:09] <dfarning> manusheel, have you updated them based on jonas' comments?
[16:11] <manusheel> dfarning: Our team is doing that today. The problem is that Debian documentation and Luke's comments are not in sync with the ones by Jonas.
[16:11] <dfarning> Yes, when in doubt refer to Jonas' comments.
[16:11] <dfarning> manusheel, ^^
[16:12] <manusheel> dfarning: We are documenting in a spreadsheet - "What Debian documentation says" vs "What Jonas says".
[16:12] <manusheel> dfarning: Sure.
[16:12] <manusheel> We are following Jonas's comments only.
[16:12] <dfarning> manusheel, arggg. that sounds like a workable solution.
[16:12] <manusheel> dfarning: Yes.
[16:13] <manusheel> dfarning: Interestingly, Ankur followed Jonas on listserv. All his packages don't have those issues as told by him to us today.
[16:14] <manusheel> dfarning: Dipankar, Luke, Kandarp and Neeraj were following Debian documentation. So, they'll have to update their respective packages.
[16:21] <manusheel> kandarpk: Around?
[16:21] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: yes sir.
[16:22] <manusheel> kandarpk: Let us do the exelearning packaging task after we have completed updating the other packages as commented by Jonas.
[16:22] <manusheel> kandarpk: If the updating part takes up time, we'll do the packaging of exelearning tomorrow.
[16:22] <manusheel> We need to get the packages reviewed by Jonas during DebConf.
[16:23] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: Ok, will try my best.
[16:23] <manusheel> kandarpk: Thanks Kandarp.
[17:00] <manusheel> kandarpk: Hi Kandarp.
[17:00] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: hello sir.
[17:00] <manusheel> Any progress on the pippy activity update?
[17:01] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: sir, I incorrectly spelled version as v37 instead of 37
[17:02] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: just correcting that, and confirming the overall package with rules mentioned by Jonas
[17:03] <manusheel> kandarpk: Sure, Kandarp.
[17:03] <manusheel> Such mistakes happen. You'll be able to avoid them in future. I am glad you figured this out.
[17:21] <kandarpk> manusheel_ sir: trying to build
[17:21] <kandarpk> dpkg-shlibdeps: error: couldn't find library libstdc++.so.6 needed by debian/sugar-pippy-activity/usr/share/sugar/activities/Pippy.activity/library/pippy/physics/box2d/box2d_linux64/_Box2D2.dpkg-shlibdeps: error: couldn't find library libstdc++.so.6 needed by debian/sugar-pippy-activity/usr/share/sugar/activities/Pippy.activity/library/pippy/physics/box2d/box2d_linux64/_Box2D2.dpkg-shlibdeps: error: couldn't find library libstdc++.so.6 needed
[17:21] <kandarpk>  by debian/sugar-pippy-activity/usr/share/sugar/activities/Pippy.activity/library/pippy/physics/box2d/box2d_linux64/_Box2D2.so (ELF format: 'elf64-x86-64'; RPATH: '').
[17:21] <kandarpk> so (ELF format: 'elf64-x86-64'; RPATH: '').
[17:21] <kandarpk> so (ELF format: 'elf64-x86-64'; RPATH: '').
[17:21] <kandarpk> it got copied twice I think
[17:22] <kandarpk> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
[17:22] <kandarpk> dpkg-shlibdeps: error: couldn't find library libstdc++.so.6 needed by debian/sugar-pippy-activity/usr/share/sugar/activities/Pippy.activity/library/pippy/physics/box2d/box2d_linux64/_Box2D2.so (ELF format: 'elf64-x86-64'; RPATH: '').
[17:22] <kandarpk> manusheel_ sir: error encountered ^^
[17:32] <manusheel_> kandarpk: Ok?
[17:32] <manusheel_> kandarpk: Let us send an e-mail on it to debian olpc mailing list
[17:32] <manusheel_> steps followed by us
[17:33] <manusheel_> and the error encountered (put in pastebin).
[17:33] <manusheel_> kandarpk: Very much on the lines of your speak e-mail.
[17:33] <manusheel_> Kindly copy me on it.
[17:33] <kandarpk> manusheel_ sir: I am installing libstdc++64.so.6 to see if that works
[17:34] <kandarpk> as box2d_linux64 is causing the error
[17:48] <manusheel_> kandarpk: Sure, kandarp.
[17:48] <manusheel_> Please check with that.
[17:49] <manusheel_> kandarpk: Kindly copy paste the output after every step using this library.
[17:49] <kandarpk> manusheel_ sir: deb package is being made but still have some errors
[17:49] <manusheel_> kandarpk: Ok, can you share them?
[17:49] <kandarpk> manusheel_ sir: posting on mailing list
[17:50] <kandarpk> manusheel_ sir: on running gdebi
[17:50] <kandarpk> Dependency is not satisfiable: python-box2d
[17:50] <kandarpk> manusheel_ sir: lintian too is giving errors
[17:51] <kandarpk> arch-independent-package-contains-binary-or-object
[17:51] <kandarpk> arch-dependent-file-in-usr-share
[18:09] <manusheel_> kandarpk: Ok.
[18:46] <neeraj__> dfarning, ping
[18:47] <dfarning> neeraj, pong
[18:48] <manusheel_> neeraj: around?
[18:48] <neeraj> Can u just give a me a brief overview of usr-default setting package and usr-meta-settings.
[18:48] <manusheel_> neeraj: +1
[18:49] <manusheel_> dfarning: Yes. I think this is one area, where we didn't find much documentation.
[18:49] <neeraj> dfarning, as far as I could understand by seeing the files
[18:50] <dfarning> neeraj, there really is no documentation:(
[18:50] <neeraj> the default settings just have files which make changes in the various menus.
[18:51] <neeraj> I mean it add options related to sugar at various places.
[18:51] <dfarning> It was something I copied from the netbook remix project.
[18:53] <neeraj> dfarning, ok. np :)
[18:53] <dfarning> neeraj, that is exactly what it is.  It adjusts setting as necessary to improve the user experience in USR.
[18:55] <manusheel_> dfarning: Neat.
[18:55] <dfarning> neeraj, you can get rid of it it you don't need it anymore.
[18:56] <manusheel_> dfarning: Meta settings are important.
[18:56] <neeraj> dfarning, rid of what?
[18:56] <manusheel_> neeraj: default-settings
[18:57] <manusheel_> it seems.
[18:57] <dfarning> neeraj, the -setting package.
[18:57] <neeraj> dfarning, I didn't got you. Have we not used it in latest usr-iso?
[18:58] <manusheel_> neeraj: We have used it, and can get rid of it as and when required.
[18:58] <dfarning> I didn't know what I was doing when I started this project.  I just copy what netbook remix did and adopted it for sugar.
[18:59] <manusheel_> neeraj: It is like a nullable field in an RDBMS project.
[18:59] <neeraj> manusheel_, ohk..
[19:00] <dfarning> Yes, the current builds use the package.  But if you find a better way to adjust the setting please feel free to use a different method
[19:00] <manusheel_> dfarning: Great. Thanks.
[19:01] <manusheel_> dfarning: Meta settings store the meta data info settings right?
[19:01] <dogi> dfarning, hi
[19:01] <neeraj> dfarning, as far as I could understand, USR == (UbuntuNetbook- unwanted packages acco. to USR goal) + sugar-packages + Change in menus/gconf settings
[19:03] <dfarning> manusheel_, yes that is correct.
[19:03] <dfarning> neeraj, exactly that is the starting point.  From here, as developers and engineeres you can adopt it as you need.
[19:05] <dfarning> dogi, hello
[19:05] <dfarning> dogi, cool the servers are up that is great news.
[19:05] <dfarning> I was traveling at the time.
[19:05] <manusheel_> dfarning: Great. We look forward to optimizations moving forward. I am sure we can reduce the size of the iso.
[19:06] <dfarning> doqi do you have remote access to them?
[19:06] <neeraj> dfarning, for more proper working, we are packaging and maintaining activities in Ubuntu and Debian(So that they can be used there also) and releasing a separate ISO (USR)
[19:06] <neeraj> s/more/
[19:08] <manusheel_> neeraj: Activities are the crust of the USR.
[19:09] <manusheel_> neeraj: Users work with activities.
[19:09] <manusheel_> not with os.
[19:09] <neeraj> ok
[19:11] <dogi> dfarning, yes i have ... and you too ... at least you should ... :P
[19:20] <dfarning> dogi, I gave my laptop to bernie because his broke and now I don't have access to my ssh key.
[19:21] <dogi> lol
[19:21] <dfarning> neeraj, yes we are packaging activites for two reasons.
[19:24] <dfarning> 1. Because they are a good starting point for learning to work with Sugar on Debian and Ubuntu.
[19:24] <dfarning> 2. Activitivies are the part of sugar users interact with on a daily basis.
[23:37] <neeraj> dfarning: ping
[23:39] <dfarning> neeraj, hey how are you.
[23:39] <neeraj> dfarning: I m fine. :).
[23:40] <neeraj> dfarning: I hope you are also doing well.
[23:40] <dfarning> neeraj, did you get a chance to test the latest USR build?
[23:40] <dfarning> neeraj, yes I got home about a half hour ago and a day in a school.
[23:41] <neeraj> dfarning: I have not downloaded it yet due to bandwidth limitation but I think manusheel_ sir has downloaded it and will provide it today.
[23:41] <dfarning> neeraj, I was pretending to work on my computer while watching 6th graders update their XOs.
[23:42] <neeraj> dfarning: I was looking for latest i-386 build.
[23:42] <dfarning> neeraj, zsync is you friend
[23:42] <neeraj> dfarning: cool :)
[23:43] <neeraj> dfarning: yes I knw about zsync but don't knw y manusheel_ sir said we should test one ISO after completely downloading it from scratch.
[23:43] <neeraj> dfarning: nyways. we willl get latest iso today itself. Thats not a issue.
[23:44] <dfarning> neeraj, I had trouble with the i386 build it failed while building the kernel.  I did not get a chance to figure out what went wrong.
[23:44] <neeraj> dfarning: ok. :). thanks for informing.