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jcristauSarvatt: we'll probably have to update libdrm in sid to 2.4.21 soon (for intel 2.12), keeping the .33 nouveau ABI, fwiw00:15
Sarvattripps: that's really tricky, I'm sure debian doesn't want it because it shouldn't be needed and will probably be useless in the future whenever they do upstream it02:46
Sarvattthe dkms package for the linuxwacom module makes the most sense to me personally..02:46
SarvattI mean it's going over a year where it's been required for newer tablets, we need *something*02:47
rippsSarvatt: it's trapped in bueracracy. I was hoping I could at least get a package into Ubuntu, and than maybe a version into the Lucid backport repo. But neither look like they're making much progress. I guess my dkms ppa is gonna have to be the fix for a while.02:48
Sarvattyou aren't a MOTU?02:48
rippsSarvatt: nope02:48
rippsalot of people have been asking me that today ;P02:48
rippsmaybe I should take that as a sign02:49
Sarvattlinux-backports-modules for wacom doesn't make any sense to me since its not a backport from anything, I'm going to apply for MOTU soon and I'll upload it if noone else will by then :D02:50
Sarvatti've been using it for months with no problems and it fits a real need people have02:52
ajmitchripps: aside from uploading to REVU, what else have you tried for getting it into ubuntu?02:53
rippsajmitch: I filed a wnpp for it in debian, but they were pretty rude about how it was pointless.02:55
ajmitchyeah, that can happen02:55
ajmitchyou've probably seen that the REVU queue is somewhat massive & not getting much shorter, so it's generally a help to ping someone about it02:55
rippstechnically, it's still on debian-mentors, but It doesn't look like I'm gonna get anybody to sponsor it for me02:56
SarvattI can understand that viewpoint too because it could be useless in the not too distant future but it's been over a year where newer low end wacom tablets were only supported by that and they dont seem intent on pushing it to the upstream kernel anytime soon02:57
ajmitchit's a bit hard for me to test the package itself, but I can at least check out that the packaging is sane02:57
ajmitchRAOF would probably be a good person to review & sponsor it, he's familiar with DKMS iirc :)02:58
RAOFHe is, yes.02:58
ajmitchand he's even alive!02:58
rippsRAOF: the wacom-source package is on REVU.03:00
ajmitchRAOF: sorry if I've dropped you in it :)03:01
RAOFripps: Added to my todo.03:02
rippsRAOF: thanks :)03:02
Sarvattripps: btw about your question regarding l-b-m packaging in case you wanted to mess with it take a look at the git history for lucid's lbm to see how they added nouveau03:03
rippsSarvatt: that's pretty good advice03:03
rippsSarvatt: have you taken a look at l-b-m's packaging?03:03
Sarvattyeah i used to package lbm-nouveau updates in edgers03:04
Sarvatthttp://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-lucid-lbm.git;a=commit;h=06e957ce818ba7dc6bbd9314eca356200a5c7b5703:04
jcristauSarvatt: were the upstream devs contacted about that stuff sitting in linuxwacom and not getting upstream?  what was the response?05:25
tjaaltonyeah the upstream kernel git repo should get moving..05:33
tjaaltonif it hasn't already05:33
jcristaus/getting upstream/getting in mainline/05:34
tjaaltoni'd rather concentrate on that than ship something temporary05:34
ajmitchgiven how close to feature freeze it is, my opinion is to go both ways for now - it's easy to drop the package if it's included upstream by release05:37
Sarvatti'll have to dig through a year of the linuxwacom-devel archives to find it but yeah i've seen it brought up multiple times there, there are new features on those bamboo pen and touch models very different from the other ones so its not as easy as just adding the id's05:44
RAOFDo the nvidia drivers work against the 1.9 ABI yet?05:46
Sarvattxf86-input-wacom handles them fine though, its just the wacom kernel module that needs updating05:47
Sarvatti've got the newest packaged in x-updates, haven't heard anyone say anything about it yet though. wife went to visit family for a few days and has my nvidia testing laptop with her so i can't try it05:48
RAOFI guess I have to test it myself, then. :)05:48
Sarvattif 256.44 doesn't it'd be worth trying 256.38.02 too - http://developer.nvidia.com/object/opengl_driver.html05:55
tjaaltonthat's nice, raising a window on lucid (nvidia&compiz) takes two seconds06:00
tjaaltonwell, closer to one06:01
tjaaltonbut one too man06:01
tjaaltony06:01
tjaaltonoh it was just the lp window06:01
tjaaltonbtw, there's also a reason why the linuxwacom kernel features are not in mainline. for instance the multitouch support is never going in06:03
tjaaltonit'll support the "proper" multitouch once it's mainline06:03
Sarvattyeah nvidia knows about the launchpad problem, they blame firefox :)06:06
Sarvatthttp://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=15229506:06
tjaaltontypical :)06:06
RAOFFirefox has been rather good at exploring rendering paths not typically taken.06:13
tjaaltonbtw, I'm mostly online again, so if you need a sponsor just poke me06:19
Takyojiraof: it appears the issue still persists, even after I added the repository and updated06:22
RAOFTakyoji: Can you pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log, please?06:23
TakyojiI'm reproducing the issue by going through different screensavers randomly, which is the way I can reproduce it quickly06:23
TakyojiI'm unable to get to a virtual terminal via Ctrl+Alt+F1; I'll have to use a LiveCD then06:24
RAOFYour logs should be saved after the crash.06:25
Takyojithe odd thing though, is when I press the power button, to make it shutdown, Plymouth appears again, and is functioning06:25
Takyojiand shutdown properly06:25
Takyojishuts down properly*06:25
RAOFYeah; that's because the problem is that the GPU has hung, so anything which requires the GPU to do anything interesting won't work.  Plymouth just writes some bits to where the GPU has told the hardware to scanout to the screen, so doesn't muchcare that the GPU isn't working.06:30
Takyojiahh06:31
RAOFIt'll be /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old after you've restarted, by the way.06:32
Takyojiactually I booted a LiveCD, so it should just be /(location of the room partition mounted seperately)/var/log/Xorg.0.log, correct?06:33
RAOFYeah.06:35
TakyojiRAOF: http://paste.ubuntu.com/472504/06:36
RAOFThat's the wrong driver; 2.9.106:37
RAOFAre you sure you installed the newer xserver-xorg-video-intel package & restarted X?06:37
RAOFAlternatively, that might be the wrong log.06:37
TakyojiThis section, or? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Bugs/Lucidi8xxFreezes#Legacy Driver06:38
Takyojihttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Bugs/Lucidi8xxFreezes#Legacy%20Driver06:38
RAOFThat section, yes.06:39
TakyojiErm, stupid me; all I did was add the repository and upgrade packages; I had forgotten about disabling KMS06:39
Takyojione other thing I notice is that an update for xserver-xorg-video-intel (if I remember correctly) is held back as well; after adding the repository06:50
RAOFIt shouldn't be held back; that's what you want to update.06:51
TakyojiSo I'll have to force it then?06:51
RAOFThere probably will be a held-back libdrm-nouveau1 which you shouldn't upgrade.06:51
TakyojiYea, there's libdrm-nouveau1 AND xserver-xorg-video-intel held back06:51
RAOFWhy is xserver-xorg-video-intel held back?06:52
RAOFYou do want that.06:52
TakyojiI'm not sure myself why it's heldback for updates.06:52
Takyojianyway, I shall try forcing it to update that package06:52
Takyoji(just 'xserver-xorg-video-intel' specifically)06:53
TakyojiIt appears that the problem no longer persists now07:03
Takyojiafter updating that package07:03
ricotzRAOF, hi09:27
ricotzhave you looked into the gnome-do slowdown related to newer cairo versions? i have expierenced this with some development code for docky, so this might happen with inproper using of cairo.context09:29
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