[00:19] <CIA-98> [ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100803231822-qxa4kggx32tde8n7 * (12 files in 3 dirs) No more linking against kwallet && gnomekeyring support && as a result ::clear() is broken && less kde in the upper levels (still we need quite some KDE foo for the build)
[00:21] <gnomelogger> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/ubuntu-sso-client/gsoc/files/head:/src/plugins/
[00:21] <gnomelogger> there
[00:21] <gnomelogger> my Qt implementation is now officially superior
[00:31] <Riddell> Quintasan: hmm kdebindings goes boom here too
[00:31] <CIA-98> [ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100803233140-wdxzzrhwz5nvbcy0 * src/ (AccessToken.cpp AccessToken.h) fix clear again
[00:36] <yofel> hm, oxygen-molecule looks cool, now if it would have a dark variant ~.~
[00:47] <CIA-98> [ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100803234742-aw3tkh4rcrvvjm9r * src/ (AccessToken.cpp HttpDaemon.cpp main.cpp) warning--
[00:48] <yofel> hrhr http://imagebin.ca/view/753bn3.html
[00:50] <CIA-98> [ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100803235033-1p56mkon2z4b75ek * src/plugins/SecretsInterface.h add copyright notice
[00:57] <CIA-98> [ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100803235654-pdb1ce3mn3zkm9jo * debian/ (4 files) Add backend packaging and build-dep on libgnome-keyring-dev
[01:00] <Riddell> 4.5 release moved back to Thursday (probably)
[01:47] <ScottK> Lovely.
[01:47] <ScottK> Well we've got it, even if no one else does ...
[02:01] <claydoh> a selling point maybe :D
[02:35] <rbelem> hi Riddell
[02:36] <rbelem> Riddell, do you know if agateau returned from the holidays? :-)
[03:49] <CIA-98> [muon] jmthomas * 1158907 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/ (MainWindow.cpp MainWindow.h) (log message trimmed)
[03:49] <CIA-98> Subclass MuonMainWindow's errorOccurred function so that we can properly return
[03:49] <CIA-98> from errors (Such as the UserCancelError, or AuthError). This occurred when I
[03:50] <CIA-98> [muon] jmthomas * 1158908 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/MainWindow.cpp Very unnecessary QString construction--
[03:57] <CIA-98> [muon] jmthomas * 1158909 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/MainWindow.cpp Clean up the software-properties-kde launching code
[04:45] <nixternal> how is knr in mav?
[09:16] <Tm_T> supremeapachelog: son, I have a small build issues
[09:30] <Mamarok> Riddell, claydoh: giovanni_re is at it again. one more post like this and he is moderated again, as will be all those who continue
[10:39] <Riddell> Mamarok: where's this?
[10:42] <Riddell> Mamarok: hmm, that thread should be stopped at least, as being woefully rambling and off topic
[10:51] <Tm_T> why they think attacking back at list-operator would help their cause?
[10:51] <Tm_T> ...other than playing a victim
[10:55] <apachelogger> Tm_T: how did that happen?
[10:57] <Tm_T> apachelogger: something like... this:  *** No rule to make target usr/share/dbus-1/interfaces/com.ubuntu.sso.xml', needed by rc/api/ComUbuntuSsoInterface.cpp'. Stop.
[10:58] <apachelogger> Tm_T: https://code.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/ubuntu-sso-client/gsoc
[10:58] <apachelogger> upstream thought it a good idea split off the authentication
[10:58] <Tm_T> sounds... fun
[10:58] <apachelogger> hence ubuntu-sso is now a new buildep
[10:58] <Tm_T> shame cmake didn't yell it at me
[10:58] <apachelogger> also my implementation is superior in but every aspect anyway :P
[10:59] <apachelogger> Tm_T: I did not come around to implement proper checking for it
[11:00] <Tm_T> apachelogger: makes sense (:
[11:01] <Tm_T> apachelogger: bzr/ubuntu-sso-client/src/AccessToken.cpp:45: error: ‘class QOAuth::Interface’ has no member named ‘networkAccessManager’
[11:01] <apachelogger> libqoauth-dev
[11:01] <apachelogger> OTOH that should fail
[11:02] <Tm_T> "libqoauth-dev is already the newest version." so yes
[11:02] <apachelogger> that is odd
[11:02] <apachelogger>     QNetworkAccessManager* networkAccessManager() const;
[11:02] <apachelogger> public interface
[11:03] <apachelogger> Tm_T: any other useful information?
[11:03] <Tm_T> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/473031/
[11:04]  * apachelogger is wondering why his qt creator has so large fonts
[11:05] <Tm_T> there's plenty of more if I go and do make -iks
[11:06] <Tm_T> ...have to install some gnome-keyring -dev package I suppose
[11:06] <apachelogger> oh
[11:06] <apachelogger> Tm_T: yeah
[11:06] <apachelogger> not conditional as of now
[11:06] <apachelogger> Tm_T: also I did  not push my latest changes it seems
[11:06] <Tm_T> (:)
[11:07] <apachelogger> or maybe I did :O
[11:07] <apachelogger> try again
[11:07] <apachelogger> Tm_T: are you sure you do not have an old version of qoauth floating around?
[11:09] <Tm_T> apachelogger: apparently not, as locate couldn't find any other ones
[11:10] <apachelogger> hm
[11:11] <apachelogger> Tm_T: in CMakeCache.txt in your build dir what does PC_QOAuth_VERSION:INTERNAL contain?
[11:12] <Tm_T> apachelogger: 1.0.0
[11:12] <Tm_T> libqoauth-dev_1.0-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1_i386.deb is the package I have installed
[11:12] <apachelogger> ohhhhhhhhhhh
[11:12] <Tm_T> let me quess, I should be using Maverick?
[11:12] <apachelogger> requires 1.0.1 now I suppose
[11:12] <apachelogger> Tm_T: yeah, I am targetting maverick now as to reach release quality
[11:13] <apachelogger> Tm_T: but as long as you get the qoauth source from mav and have KDE 4.5 installed your are fine too
[11:13] <apachelogger> although
[11:13] <Tm_T> ye
[11:13] <apachelogger> actually not
[11:13] <apachelogger> Tm_T: that upstream change to ubuntu-sso broke backwards compability of authorization completely :(
[11:13] <Tm_T> thoh
[11:14] <Tm_T> and version number rised with ..1 ?
[11:14] <Tm_T> raised
[11:16] <apachelogger> no
[11:16] <apachelogger> .+1. I think
[11:16] <apachelogger> !info ubuntuone-client
[11:16] <apachelogger> !info ubuntuone-client maverick
[11:17] <apachelogger> Tm_T: 1.2 to 1.3
[11:17] <apachelogger> still not sufficient IMHO
[11:17] <apachelogger> but it is pyth0rn, one must be happy to get any visible bump at all
[11:18] <apachelogger> opinions on http://www.hp.com/united-states/campaigns/envy/pdf/envy14_datasheet.pdf ?
[11:20] <Tm_T> apachelogger: right, thanks (:
[11:21] <apachelogger> Tm_T: you could of couse backport the ubuntuone-client too ;)
[11:23] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/ubuntu-sso-client/gsoc/annotate/head:/src/plugins/GnomeKeyringSecretsInterface.cpp <-- I am now becoming gnome developer too muahhaha ^^
[11:32] <Tm_T> apachelogger: let me get my kmail working first (;
[11:32] <apachelogger> ^^
[11:32] <Tm_T> ...been without it since 4.5 development cycle started
[11:33]  * apachelogger gets depressed over the crap notebooks on the market right now -.-
[11:33] <apachelogger> Tm_T: uhhh, did you upgrade to kdepim 4.5? :P
[11:34] <Tm_T> apachelogger: I've been with trunk since year... can't remember
[11:34] <apachelogger> Tm_T: poor mom ^^
[11:34] <apachelogger> aha!
[11:34] <apachelogger> perfect
[11:34] <apachelogger> hp envy 14 seems to come with broken bios
[11:34] <apachelogger> for free
[11:35]  * apachelogger kicks it off the list of potential notebooks
[11:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: I consider the authentication to be 1.0 beta
[11:40] <apachelogger> only proxy support is really missing and I doubt the python client does that either
[11:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: congratulations
[11:54] <Tm_T> apachelogger: I think my kdepim works now, after I cleaned up old resources from use
[12:16] <Riddell> I'm applying the Dolphin fixes to kdelibs in bzr and lucid
[12:23] <dpm> hi Riddell, we've got a template approval conflict in Launchpad:
[12:23] <dpm>   * kdgantt in Ubuntu Maverick package "kdepim";
[12:23] <dpm>   * kdgantt in Ubuntu Maverick package "koffice".
[12:24] <dpm> do you happen to know to which package kdgantt belongs?
[12:26] <sheytan> Hi there :)
[12:26] <sheytan> Riddell and all you guys, take a look now: http://a.imageshack.us/img534/9735/joinus.jpg
[12:28] <Riddell> dpm: hmm, that rings a bell, let me check
[12:33] <dpm> cool, thanks
[12:34] <Riddell> dpm: both kdepim and koffice use internal copies of that library, upstream only ships kdgantt.po in kde-l10n not in koffice-l10n so we should follow upstream and import it from kdepim and ignore it from koffice
[12:36] <dpm> Riddell, great, I'll move the template from koffice to kdepim. Thanks!
[12:41] <Quintasan> Riddell: seems like we are almost ready with 4.5
[12:42]  * Quintasan is taking up plasma-addons
[12:42] <Sput> is kubuntu gonna ship kdepim-4.5?
[12:42] <Quintasan> I think we decided to use the old pim Sput 
[12:43] <Quintasan> KMail2 might eat ur mails
[12:43] <Quintasan> But we will package it and make sure that everyone interested will know where it is
[12:43] <Quintasan> :P
[12:44] <apachelogger> hm
[12:44] <Sput> that makes a lot of sense
[12:44] <Sput> though I must say, KMail-2 has progressed a lot lately
[12:44] <apachelogger> eclipse is quite the unlovely
[12:44] <Sput> it's approaching usable
[12:44] <Sput> not quite there yet... but already much more fun to use than Thunderbird :>
[12:45] <apachelogger> Sput: it is too risky at any case, epsecially since 10.10 will be released mid october instead of end
[12:45] <Quintasan> apachelogger: isnt eclipse that crappy ide written n java?
[12:45] <Sput> apachelogger: certainly is... Gentoo is skipping the whole 4.5.0 release because of pim
[12:45] <apachelogger> aye
[12:45]  * apachelogger is on the outlook for a sensible ruby IDE
[12:45] <apachelogger> no good thing available
[12:45]  * apachelogger falls back to vim again
[12:46] <Quintasan> vim++
[12:46] <Quintasan> still no kubotu?
[12:46] <apachelogger> Sput: that is scary though ^^
[12:46] <apachelogger> I should go on lunch break I think :S
[12:46] <apachelogger> ah wellz
[12:46] <Sput> apachelogger: don't forget, we are not bound to a release cycle for the distro, so we can easily push out 4.5.1 when it's done
[12:47] <Sput> (plus we do offer experimental builds for 4.5.0)
[12:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: I'll do the shares KCM today and then that stuff is also 1.0 beta
[12:47] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Go eat something
[12:48] <apachelogger> Sput: yeah still I would not want kdepim 4.5 at 4.5.1 times either :P
[12:48] <apachelogger> every time I used kdepim from trunk it ate my data ^^
[12:48] <Sput> it did?
[12:48] <Sput> never happened to me
[12:48] <apachelogger> even before that whole 4.5 business
[12:49] <apachelogger> Sput: well, it also did in the stable releases
[12:49] <apachelogger> I have a theory that kdepim likes to eat data on new setups
[12:49] <Sput> hmmm, in any case, the pimsters have managed to not make KMail hog the CPU anymore (via virtuoso)
[12:49] <Sput> which is a huge improvement, because only a few weeks ago, I had this mysqld process running constantly
[12:49] <Sput> taking up a sizable amount of CPU
[12:49] <Sput> all gone.
[12:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: wip on what we need in dolphin -> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/ubuntuone-client/gsoc/annotate/head:/dolphin.txt
[12:50]  * apachelogger is somewhat confident that everything will be done in time for penciles down ... if upstream hurries and merges the kwallet patches -.-
[12:50] <apachelogger> that said
[12:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: are you ok with uploading patched packages after alpha freeze?
[12:51] <apachelogger> anyhow
[12:51] <apachelogger> -> break
[12:51] <Riddell> apachelogger: probably.  kenvandine said he'd talk to them about the merges though
[12:57] <shadeslayer> 'lo
[12:59] <Riddell> evening shadeslayer 
[12:59] <shadeslayer> hey Riddell :)
[13:00] <shadeslayer> Riddell: the kdelibs neon import plugin is is fixed, thanks to jelmer, and we can use it when lp has a new release
[13:00] <shadeslayer> which is sometime this weel
[13:00] <shadeslayer> *week
[13:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yay
[13:03] <shadeslayer> Riddell: in light of the dolphin crashes, should we enable nepomuk indexing ?
[13:03] <Riddell> ug, no
[13:03] <shadeslayer> ok
[13:07] <shadeslayer> ->flippin idiot...
[13:08] <shadeslayer> wondering why my phone isnt charging.. and just noticed i didnt switch the charger one -.-
[13:13] <shadeslayer> sheytan: freeze design at http://a.imageshack.us/img534/9735/joinus.jpg
[13:13] <shadeslayer> and start actually building it
[13:19] <sheytan> shadeslayer yep, i'm already on the way i want the new site to be :)
[13:19] <shadeslayer> awesome :D
[13:20] <Quintasan> Riddell: kdeplasma-addons uploading
[13:21] <Quintasan> I think we are mostly done except kdebinding
[13:21] <sheytan> shadeslayer, glad you like it. will show you guys all ive done so far today's evening ;)
[13:21] <Quintasan> Riddell: why don't we copy python-{qt,kde} stuff from maverick to lucid and retry the build?
[13:22] <Riddell> Quintasan: I don't get an error in pykde when compiling kdebindings, I get it in smoke
[13:22] <Quintasan> humm
[13:22] <Riddell> I'll probably try recompiling the RC 3 kdebindings to see if that has the same problem
[13:23] <debfx> kdebindings fails because it's built with --Wl,--no-undefined
[13:24] <debfx> debian/rules contains "DEB_KDE_LINK_WITH_NO_UNDEFINED := no" but that's only supported by pkg-kde-helper 0.9.2
[13:24] <debfx> pkg-kde-tools 0.9.2
[13:25] <Quintasan> debfx sure knows his stuff
[13:25] <Quintasan> let me check that
[13:25] <shadeslayer> hehe 
[13:25] <Quintasan> debfx: should I remove that line?
[13:26]  * shadeslayer goes back to coding projects
[13:26] <debfx> I hope we can just backport pkg-kde-tools without breaking anything else
[13:26] <Quintasan> oh
[13:26] <Quintasan> that would be better instead of doing the rules
[13:27] <Riddell> pkg-kde-tools should be backwards compatible
[13:27] <debfx> okay I'll upload it
[13:27] <Quintasan> debfx: oh, I wanted to do it but if you insist
[13:27] <Quintasan> ;)
[13:28] <debfx> Quintasan: go ahead :D
[13:34] <Quintasan> oh well
[13:34] <Quintasan> okay
[13:34] <Quintasan> :P
[13:38] <txwikinger> In KNR, is there a power management daemon?
[13:38] <Riddell> there's a battery applet in our plasma netbook setup
[13:40] <debfx> Riddell: could you please sponsor http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/synaptiks
[13:40] <debfx> it's the debian synaptiks package with the binary package renamed as it's called kde-config-touchpad
[13:41] <txwikinger> Riddell: the battery applet does not show anything anymore when I click on it
[13:42] <Riddell> txwikinger: no sliding out box?
[13:42] <txwikinger> It only has a black battery and Power Management
[13:42] <txwikinger> All the contents is gonew
[13:42] <txwikinger> i.e the buttons for sleep and hibernation
[13:43] <txwikinger> oh.. that is a hidden feature or what?
[13:43] <txwikinger> when you click on the battery it slides up and down ?
[13:44] <Riddell> I think you're confusing the tooltip with the actual applet
[13:44] <Riddell> debfx: onto it
[13:45] <txwikinger> Riddell: no.. not the tooltip
[13:45] <txwikinger> the tooltip only gives you information, right?
[13:46] <txwikinger> anyway.. I got again what I need :D
[13:46] <Riddell> right it shows a black battery and your charged level
[13:46] <txwikinger> Riddell: click on the black battery in the left top corner
[13:47] <Riddell> ooh, it goes all small
[13:47] <Riddell> that's random
[13:47] <txwikinger> yes.. and it stays small
[13:47] <txwikinger> so the next time you open it, you wonder where all the information and the button are gone
[13:47] <Riddell> txwikinger: you should file a bug upstream about that
[13:47] <txwikinger> Somehow I think his is superfluous
[13:47] <txwikinger> Riddell: ok
[13:48] <txwikinger> +t
[13:59] <apparle> guys ubuntu is gettting a new font? ?
[14:00] <Quintasan> yes
[14:00] <Quintasan> and TBH I do not like it
[14:01] <apparle> kubuntu is not changing right?>
[14:01] <Quintasan> We have considered that but AFAIK decision has not been made yet
[14:01] <Quintasan> Riddell: ^
[14:05] <Tm_T> Quintasan: why you do not like it?
[14:07] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: dude the font rocks
[14:07] <apparle> anyone know where can I get pics of that font
[14:08] <shadeslayer> apparle: here : http://imagebin.ca/view/doSTPp9G.html
[14:13] <apparle> shadeslayer: its looking nice but I don't see much difference
[14:13] <shadeslayer> much difference ? 
[14:16] <fldc> so what font is it, and where can i get it? :)
[14:18] <apparle> shadeslayer: I meant its not a drastic change between kubuntu font and the new font
[14:21] <Quintasan> Tm_T, shadeslayer: Well, do I need any particular reason not to like it?
[14:21] <Quintasan> I just don't like the way it looks
[14:21] <Quintasan> That's all to it
[14:22] <Tm_T> Quintasan: no you don't need, but I like to know if there's any good argumentation against or for it
[14:22] <Quintasan> That's why I use Droid Sans and Liberation
[14:22] <shadeslayer> apparle: dude.. it is a drastic change
[14:22] <shadeslayer> it looks flippin awesome on KDE
[14:22] <Quintasan> Tm_T: I'm not an expert on fonts so I can't give you any explanation for me not liking it
[14:22] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: i guess it depends on person to person
[14:23] <Riddell> I'm doing kde-l10n with new tars
[14:23] <Riddell> for maverick then for lucid
[14:23] <apparle> shadeslayer: only thing I liked is that it has less spacing in between diff characters
[14:24] <apparle> Riddell: so is kubuntu going to get that font?
[14:25]  * Quintasan pours away all soda drinks
[14:25] <Quintasan> I need to stop drinking that crap
[14:25] <apparle> Quintasan: send that crap to me
[14:26] <Quintasan> apparle: You want some Mountain Dew?
[14:26] <apparle> Quintasan: sure
[14:26] <Quintasan> oh my god
[14:26] <Quintasan> double K
[14:26] <apparle> what happened
[14:26] <Quintasan> apparle: where are you from?
[14:26] <apparle> India
[14:27] <Quintasan> Too much hassle then, the postal fee would buy you three liters of it
[14:27] <Quintasan> :P
[14:27] <apparle> :D
[14:28] <shadeslayer> hehe... 
[14:29] <CIA-98> [muon] jmthomas * 1159130 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/DetailsTabs/DependsTab.cpp Fix a string typo. OK'd by kde-i18n-doc CCMAIL:kde-i18n-doc@kde.org
[14:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: does http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/ work for you in launchpad ?
[14:46] <Quintasan> Riddell: well, it is not backwards compatile
[14:46] <Quintasan> dep-wait :)
[14:46] <Quintasan> Missing build dependencies: libdpkg-perl
[14:47] <Riddell> so quick hacky workaround
[14:47] <Riddell> in kdebindings debian/rules
[14:47] <Riddell> instead of "include /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/makefiles/1/variables.mk"
[14:48] <Riddell> just copy and paste the contents of that file
[14:48] <Riddell> and remove the offending line
[14:48] <Riddell> then test that
[14:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: as in opens?
[14:49] <CIA-98> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1159137 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/CMakeLists.txt Bump version for 0.5.0 (1.0 RC)
[14:49] <shadeslayer> i.e does the page open?
[14:52] <shadeslayer> in rekonq no
[14:52] <Riddell> shadeslayer: right
[14:53] <Quintasan> Riddell: dirty hack is dirty ;P
[14:53] <Quintasan> well
[14:54] <Quintasan> at least it should work
[14:54] <CIA-98> [muon] jmthomas * 1159141 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/DetailsTabs/ChangelogTab.cpp Fix a bug where the busy overlay would not go away if a changelog could not be found.
[14:55] <CIA-98> [muon] jmthomas * 1159142 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/main.cpp Bump version for 0.5.0 (1.0 RC)
[14:58] <shadeslayer> Riddell: dude
[14:58] <shadeslayer> rekonq(6489) AdBlockManager::block: ****ADBLOCK: BLACK RULE Matched: ***********
[14:58] <shadeslayer> :O
[14:59] <dpm> Riddell, there are a bunch of po/desktop_.pot files in the imports queue at https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+imports?field.filter_status=NEEDS_REVIEW&field.filter_extension=pot&batch=90 What are those? Can I block them safely?
[14:59] <shadeslayer> see if you disable adblock then it works
[15:02] <apachelogger> ohno(tm)
[15:02] <apachelogger> dpm: seems breakage in the build tools occured
[15:02] <ScottK> Color me stunned.
[15:02] <Riddell> mm, yes
[15:03] <ScottK> Riddell: 4.5.0 is as built as it can get on all archs until NCommander fixes bindings on armel.
[15:03] <ScottK> No idea what other armel build failures might be higher in the stack, since we've never gotten to where we could try them.
[15:04] <ScottK> Tm_T: If I can get powerpc images for Alpha 3, can you test the live CD?
[15:05] <Tm_T> ScottK: sure
[15:05] <ScottK> Tm_T: OK.  I'll let you know if/when we have something.
[15:07] <ScottK> Riddell: Are you anticipating Kubuntu respins at this point?
[15:07] <stalcup> JontheEchidna: libdebconf-kde is ack'd
[15:08] <Riddell> ScottK: no, although I've been slow at testing due to netbook and/or usb drive playing up but I think kubuntu is fine
[15:08] <Riddell> ScottK: however 4.5.0 is being delayed until next Tuesday
[15:08] <Riddell> so alpha 3 now has 4.5 release candidate in it
[15:08] <ScottK> Riddell: So we should anticipate more tarball updates....
[15:08] <ScottK> OK.
[15:08] <NCommander> ScottK: so some progress with kdebindings. I will probably have an upload this week
[15:08] <EagleScreen> hello
[15:09] <ScottK> NCommander: Excellent.
[15:09] <EagleScreen> do you plan replace kcm_touchpad by synaptiks ?
[15:10] <JontheEchidna> stalcup: thanks
[15:10] <apachelogger> brrr
[15:10] <stalcup> no problemo :)
[15:10] <JontheEchidna> silly standards version, changing after I made the package ;)
[15:11] <stalcup> hehe
[15:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: desktop_.pot comes from makefile scope issue ... any objections on turning KUBUNTU_DESKTOP_POT into a makefile scope variable rather than shell var?
[15:11] <apachelogger> particularly
[15:11] <apachelogger> 	if [ -z $${KUBUNTU_DESKTOP_POT} ]; then \
[15:11] <apachelogger> 	  KUBUNTU_DESKTOP_POT=$(DEB_SOURCE_PACKAGE); \
[15:11] <apachelogger> 	fi; \
[15:11] <apachelogger> this code part 
[15:11] <stalcup> JontheEchidna: I thought the same thing
[15:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: what's changed that breaks it?
[15:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: the order of the shell sequence which is now missing at least one ; \
[15:13] <apachelogger> quite honestly I find this a bit of a dirty hack anyway because that pot var can be overridden via a makefile scope variable, so only setting it on shell scope using that if is sort of horrible IMHO
[15:13] <Riddell> go ahead and change it
[15:14] <Riddell> I do dislike shell, I especially dislike it mixed with makefile
[15:15] <apachelogger> +1
[15:15] <apachelogger> fortunately dh7 and the KDE buildsystem support make it so much nicer
[15:15] <Riddell> yes
[15:16] <ScottK> Riddell: Could we have a Kubuntu powerpc respin in ~30 minutes (after the current publisher run completes) so maybe Tm_T can have something to test?
[15:17] <debfx> Quintasan: are you working on a fixed pkg-kde-tools backport?
[15:17] <apachelogger> ahhh
[15:17] <apachelogger> this seems to work very nicely :)
[15:17] <apachelogger> also KUBUNTU_DESKTOP_POT ?= $(DEB_SOURCE_PACKAGE) is shorter ^^
[15:22] <Riddell> ScottK: can do
[15:22] <ScottK> Great.
[15:23] <EagleScreen> Kubuntu uses kcm-touchpad for touchpad configuration tool, there is a newer and more complete tool called synaptiks, it is used in Debian and it is giving me better results then kcm-touchpad, i think it is hour to switch to synaptiks
[15:24] <Riddell> synaptiks is currently in our New queue, we should evaluate it and see if it should replace kcm-touchpad
[15:24] <EagleScreen> ok Riddell, where can I follow that evaluation?
[15:29] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/473118/ looks good?
[15:29] <Riddell> EagleScreen: here?
[15:29] <EagleScreen> here 
[15:30] <Riddell> apachelogger: this presumably means packages which export KUBUNTU_DESKTOP_POT need to be changed?
[15:31] <apachelogger> oh :O
[15:31] <apachelogger> they do it via export?
[15:32] <Riddell> extragear packages do
[15:32] <Riddell> e.g. rekonq
[15:32] <apachelogger> indeed
[15:32] <apachelogger> a bit scary though
[15:33]  * apachelogger thought they used makefile vars, but oh well
[15:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: I'll try working around that ... though we need to reupload everything anyway
[15:33] <Riddell> and you've only done cdbs and the old dh7 include, not the other dh7 one? /usr/lib/kubuntu-desktop-i18n/debhelper/kubuntu-debhelper-langpack-generate.sh
[15:34] <Riddell> which isn't a makefile at all..
[15:34] <apachelogger> well, for the dh7 ones we cannot use that approach
[15:34] <apachelogger> so I suppose export makes more sense anyway
[15:36] <Riddell> yofel: quick response with that printing bug there :)
[15:37] <yofel> hm?
[15:37] <Quintasan> debfx: nope
[15:37] <Quintasan> debfx: care doing that?
[15:38] <Quintasan> Riddell: That quick and dirty hack made it even worse
[15:38] <Quintasan> and
[15:38] <Quintasan> well
[15:38] <Quintasan> it's smoke
[15:38] <apachelogger> ohm
[15:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: arent makefile vars expanded to environment anyway?
[15:39] <apachelogger> ah beauty
[15:39] <apachelogger> indeed they are it seems
[15:39] <Riddell> apachelogger: I don't know, are they?
[15:39] <Riddell> makefile is weird
[15:39] <apachelogger> Riddell: $() always expands to environment IIRC
[15:39]  * apachelogger does some reading to make sure
[15:40] <apachelogger> it certainly does work if I change my test rules to use an export instead of setting the var itself
[15:42]  * Quintasan has to go out
[15:43] <Riddell> Quintasan: what's the status of kdebindings?
[15:43] <Riddell> not that it matters now I suppose, new tars due
[15:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/make.html#Environment
[15:45] <apachelogger> additionally it seems export in make is not really what export in a shell is
[15:46] <apachelogger> while it also exports the variable it has the primary use of making variables of one recipe available to a sub-make called from within the recipe
[15:46] <apachelogger> which works because make turns every evnrionment var into a make var
[15:47] <Quintasan> Riddell: oh
[15:48] <Quintasan> Riddell: well, without "hack" it fails
[15:48] <Quintasan> at linking
[15:48] <Quintasan> with the hack it fails at smoke
[15:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: just tried both .mk files with exports, works flawless
[15:50] <Riddell> apachelogger: so no need to change rekonq etc?
[15:50] <apachelogger> nope
[15:51] <Riddell> well, rekonq doesn't use the .mk files it uses --with kde
[15:51] <apachelogger> what doesnt change then anyway
[15:51] <apachelogger> --with kde uses the independent shell scripts
[15:51] <Riddell> right, and that doesn't have any problems currently?
[15:52] <apachelogger> shouldn't ^^
[15:52] <sheytan> http://a.imageshack.us/img707/3338/newsji.jpg | http://a.imageshack.us/img84/1636/whatiskubuntu.jpg | http://a.imageshack.us/img138/9479/kubuntu.jpg | http://a.imageshack.us/img534/9735/joinus.jpg <~ all so far. Need feedback :)
[15:52] <Guest20902> rekonq should install flash plugin by apt:flashplugin-installer or so (from package manager) when it is prompted
[15:53] <Riddell> Guest20902: rekonq was patched to call the notifier recently
[15:53] <Guest20902> oh very good
[15:54] <apachelogger> hmmmmm
[15:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: disadvantage of shell only script is that you do not get to see the code lines before they get excuted ^^
[15:56] <apachelogger> so I cant tell from the build log if it worked completely and entirely
[15:56]  * apachelogger tests with his test package
[15:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: I am thinking about creating unit testing for pkg-kde-tools
[15:57] <apachelogger> certainly a tricky thing to implement but better than having to reupload all of KDE because apachelogger changed things again ^^
[15:59]  * Riddell quite confused by https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2010-August/011990.html
[16:01] <yofel> maverick: /proc/sys/fs/inotify/max_user_watches = 8192
[16:09] <ofirk> I'm back!
[16:09] <Riddell> it's.... ofirk!
[16:09] <Riddell> been anywhere nice?
[16:10] <ofirk> kind of...
[16:10] <ofirk> I finished my exams term
[16:10] <ofirk> so I feel free
[16:11] <Riddell> did you pass?
[16:11] <ofirk> I got grades for 3 out of 5, and I passed those 3
[16:30] <davmor2> Riddell: should I be dropped into low res gfx?
[16:31] <Riddell> davmor2: no
[16:32] <davmor2> Riddell: I'll prod the image and make sure it's not a bad burn
[16:32] <davmor2> Riddell:  This is on my all intel box
[16:42] <apachelogger> oh, I have broken shares  ^^
[16:42] <apachelogger> oh dear oh dear
[16:43] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://imagebin.ca/view/I1BYF_o.html
[16:43] <apachelogger> what do you think?
[16:43]  * Riddell spots ScottK being optimistic about debian's release schedule :)
[16:44] <ScottK> Riddell: No, that was more about risk culture in different distros.  If it's too insane for us or Fedora, no way should Debian even think about.
[16:52] <ScottK> Riddell: Is the powerpc image still in progress or did it fail?
[16:55] <CIA-98> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100804155510-6921jropes9c96js * src/libs/ (Share.cpp Share.h) introduce proper Share::Type enum (can be inbound or outbound)
[16:59]  * apachelogger loves how one can crash konqueror by pressing ctrl+w too often too quickly ^^
[17:02] <ScottK> agateau: You'll want to look at http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/4898/
[17:02]  * agateau clicks
[17:07] <sheytan> hey guys. is there any planet Kubuntu site?
[17:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://imagebin.ca/view/c22aFo.html
[17:07] <apachelogger> sheytan: planet.ubuntu.com
[17:08] <ScottK> Riddell: Nice catch on the dependency graph.
[17:08] <sheytan> apachelogger thank you:)
[17:09] <agateau> ScottK: commented
[17:09] <ScottK> agateau: OK.  Just wanted to make sure you were aware.
[17:09] <sheytan> apachelogger btw: http://madsheytan.blogspot.com/2010/08/ikona-ubuntuone.html
[17:09] <sheytan> sill needs some love :D
[17:09] <agateau> ScottK: sure, thanks for this, I would probably have missed it otherwise.
[17:09] <apachelogger> and a SVG
[17:10] <sheytan> apachelogger yep, will be :D
[17:10] <apachelogger> sheytan: the cloud looks odd though IMHO
[17:10] <sheytan> apachelogger that's why i said it needs more love :D
[17:10] <apachelogger> I mean, oxygen is photo realistic but not that much ^^
[17:11] <maco> apachelogger: i think the translations are funny
[17:12] <sheytan> apachelogger i will repleace it with the ubuntu one cloud
[17:14] <apachelogger> maco: how are they funny? :P
[17:14] <apachelogger> sheytan: I think that will also stick out, because their icon is not oxygen enough :S
[17:15] <sheytan> apachelogger hmm, maybe i create a whole new one, but i'm kinda busy right now :)
[17:15] <sheytan> i'll inform you about it, when i release new version :)
[17:16] <apachelogger> ok, cool :)
[17:22] <maco> apachelogger: the buttons are done but the text isnt. 
[17:23]  * apachelogger does not follow
[17:26] <maco> apachelogger: your screenshot. english text, german (??) buttons
[17:27] <apachelogger> oh
[17:27] <apachelogger> well
[17:27] <apachelogger> since the frame around is a containment coming from KDE that is to be expected ;)
[17:35] <Riddell> ScottK: ug forgot about the powerpc image
[17:35] <Riddell> let me try now
[17:36] <Riddell> apachelogger: ooh pretty shares
[17:38] <CIA-98> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100804163831-uysw146nxu5q6ioz * src/libs/introspection/com.ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.xml properly type get_shares
[17:39] <CIA-98> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100804163845-jlegt4cyk8j7hhmt * src/libs/ (SyncDaemonShares.cpp SyncDaemonShares.h) shares() renamed to shared() (since that is really what it yields) && introduce proper shares that lists the inbound shares
[17:40] <CIA-98> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100804164022-ctswea9sj76u8mcs * src/kcmodule/ (ShareInfoWidget.cpp ShareInfoWidget.h CMakeLists.txt) ShareInfoWidget++
[17:41] <CIA-98> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100804164046-wcp8pu7u7e0h50a8 * src/kcmodule/ShareModule.cpp Fill share module with ShareInfowidgets for both inbound and outbound shares
[18:09] <Riddell> ScottK: powerpc livefs done, cds building
[18:35] <ScottK> Riddell: Cool.  Thanks.
[18:35] <Riddell> done building ScottK 
[18:35] <Riddell> Tm_T: ^^
[18:36] <Riddell> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/daily-live/20100804/
[18:36] <ScottK> A bit largish yet.
[18:37] <ScottK> Tm_T: Can you burn to a dvd or boot to usb?
[19:01]  * Riddell puts a file in kdebase-runtime to increate the inotify limit
[19:14]  * Quintasan is back
[20:09] <sheytan> hey guys
[20:09] <sheytan> we need a 3 community projects for kubuntu
[20:09] <sheytan> 1. ubuntu one, 2. muon
[20:09] <sheytan> and one more
[20:09] <sheytan> anyone? :)
[20:10] <Quintasan> Project Neon?
[20:11] <sheytan> Quintasan it's about what in few words?
[20:18] <Tm_T> ScottK: IIRC I cannot burn dvds and no idea about usb, would need to find one first
[20:18] <ScottK> OK.
[20:18] <ScottK> Riddell: How would you feel about a kubuntu-meta upload to shrink powerpc?
[20:19] <Tm_T> ScottK: but I can try with USB, sure, that works similarly than with other arcs?
[20:20] <ScottK> No idea.  Ask rgreening for details.  I think you need a i386/amd64 machine to run usb-creator-kde, but I think you can feed it any arch's ISO.
[20:22] <ScottK> Riddell: If you're OK with it, I've adjusted the seeds, it just need -meta done.
[20:27] <Tm_T> ScottK: thanks (:
[20:49] <Quintasan> sheytan: nightly build of KDE and Amarok
[20:49] <Quintasan> and in future other stuff
[20:49] <Quintasan> maybe KOffice?
[20:49] <Quintasan> Who know
[20:49] <sheytan> Ok, thanks :)
[20:50] <Quintasan> sheytan: what are you plotting btw? :3
[20:51] <sheytan> Quintasan for the new Kubuntu site :)
[20:51] <sheytan> Yep, new baby: http://a.imageshack.us/img529/9206/community.jpg
[20:52] <Quintasan> Well
[20:52] <Quintasan> Great
[20:52] <Quintasan> :D
[20:52] <Quintasan> More fame for me <insert evil laugher here>
[20:53] <sheytan> :)
[20:53] <debfx> kdebindings for lucid uploaded, hope it builds :)
[20:53] <Quintasan> debfx: thanks
[20:53] <Quintasan> debfx: what was the cause exacly?
[20:53] <Quintasan> fist python-kde then smoke
[20:54]  * Quintasan has to write few entries for his Planet blog
[20:54] <Quintasan> I wonder how do people get so many to topics to write about
[20:54] <Quintasan> Whenever I think of something I consider it "Meh, who wants to read about that?"
[21:02] <ScottK> Quintasan: I suspect they skip the step of having that thought.
[21:03] <maco> sheytan: shouldnt it say chinese in chinese?
[21:04] <sheytan> maco what do you mean?
[21:04] <maco> sheytan: it says chinese in english..
[21:05] <sheytan> maco but what is it related to?
[21:05] <sheytan> i don't get it, sorry :D
[21:05] <maco> sheytan: your screenshot you linked 10 minutes ago
[21:06] <sheytan> maco where is there something about chinese?
[21:06] <maco> sheytan: "kubuntu in chinese"
[21:06] <sheytan> oooh
[21:06] <sheytan> sorry
[21:06] <sheytan> Yes, it should, but sorry, i don't know how to :D
[21:07] <sheytan> But before the release of the page, i'll take care of it :)
[21:07] <sheytan> Thank you :)
[21:07] <sheytan> ok, i'm out, bye :)
[21:10] <ScottK> Riddell: pitti said -met upload was OK, so I'm going for it.
[21:10] <ScottK> -met/-meta
[21:57] <Riddell> new 4.5.0 tars are up
[21:57] <Riddell> question is do I just upload them en-masse to the ninjas PPA
[21:57] <Riddell> or do we individually compile and check them
[22:09] <claydoh> Mamarok: I agree, I haven't been online since we replied to that thread, the john_re experiment will probably have to come to an end :/
[22:10] <ScottK> Riddell: I think libkonq got a soname bump, so at least some checking is in order.
[22:10]  * claydoh wishes he had a netbook/smartphone/laptop with teh intarwebs in them 
[22:10] <ScottK> Riddell: New meta uploaded too.
[22:12] <Mamarok> claydoh: sigh, just seen the others... Basil could need some moderation as well, he is incredibly aggressive
[22:12] <claydoh> Mamarok: :(
[22:13] <claydoh> Mamarok: I wish there were a good way to increase membership  in the ml as well as more individual posters than the same 5 or 6 all the time
[22:13] <debfx> Quintasan: kdebindings sets a variable which tells pkg-kde-tools to not add "-Wl,--no-undefined" to the linker flags
[22:14] <debfx> but only pkg-kde-tools >= 0.9.2 understands it
[22:14] <Mamarok> claydoh: well, Ric Moore is somebody I wanted to moderate for quite some time, besides "metoo" and offtopic oneliners he doesn't contribute
[22:16] <Mamarok> I will answer politely once more and everybody who continues to post on this will be moderated, period. Some only understand the hard way apparently
[22:16] <Tm_T> ...I still wait moderation notification when mailing to k-c-d
[22:16] <claydoh> tbh a number of 'regulars' don't even use Kubuntu
[22:16] <Mamarok> and that, yes
[22:16] <claydoh> we can't ban on that though :)
[22:17] <Mamarok> Tm_T: you wait for what?
[22:17] <claydoh> moderate rather
[22:17] <Mamarok> I never banned somebody so far, only spammers
[22:17] <Mamarok> who don't complain :)
[22:17] <Tm_T> Mamarok: notification that my mail is in moderation queue, as nowadays they apparently don't end up to be there
[22:17] <Mamarok> Tm_T: and you are sure you are subscribed?
[22:17] <claydoh> yup, you sure are the list 'cop' lol
[22:17] <Tm_T> Mamarok: talking about kde-core-devel
[22:18] <Mamarok> Tm_T: ah, not me :)
[22:18] <Tm_T> (:)
[22:18] <Mamarok> claydoh: the problem is that we have to be cops, sinc epeople can't respect the ML conditions
[22:18] <claydoh> Mamarok: you are aleays weilding your nightstick ready to pounce on those nasty top-posters and all </sarcasm>
[22:19] <Quintasan> debfx: oh, thanks
[22:19] <Mamarok> claydoh: I top-posted on purpose, I didn't want to go down all the long silly thread
[22:19] <claydoh> hehe I don't care about top posting in a lot of cases
[22:20] <claydoh> I mostly care about on-topic topics, let the list members self-regulate that part
[22:21] <claydoh> let the members self-regulate the rest of the rules
[22:30] <Quintasan> Riddell: do you have powers to accept ppl at kde-packagers?
[22:31] <Riddell> Quintasan: no
[22:31] <Quintasan> :/
[22:31] <Riddell> Quintasan: what's your status?
[22:33] <Mamarok> claydoh: mail sent
[22:36] <Quintasan> Riddell: beats me, I sent a request at least few days ago
[22:38] <Riddell> Quintasan: oh then you just have to be patient
[22:39] <Riddell> ScottK: libkonq didn't get an soname bump and the binary incompatible change was in january
[22:39] <ScottK> Ah.  OK.
[22:39] <Riddell> so we've already had a KDE release with the change, no point doing it now
[22:39] <ScottK> Right.
[22:39] <Riddell> however I did see debian people talkign about patching it so we should watch out for that
[22:39] <ScottK> Riddell: Also looks like Debian will likely switch to 4.5 for Squeeze, so doubly so.
[23:20] <Riddell> I'm going to go for the en-masse upload to kubuntu ninjas
[23:34] <Quintasan> hmm
[23:35] <Riddell> mm?
[23:38] <Quintasan> I'm doing some nasty stuff
[23:38] <Quintasan> Well, not worse that I have received
[23:51] <ScottK> Did the RSS feed for Kubuntu News change on the new web site?
[23:54] <Riddell> I suspect it's not set up
[23:55] <Riddell> need to poke ofir or ryanakca about that
[23:59] <ScottK> OK.  Done.  Thanks.