| bdrung | ari-tczew: main is frozen | 00:01 |
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| dupondje | when is universe frozen ? | 00:01 |
| tumbleweed | dupondje: feature freeze | 00:01 |
| Laney | some time after final freeze | 00:01 |
| tumbleweed | bleh | 00:02 |
| Laney | depending on what you mean by frozen | 00:02 |
| ari-tczew | frozen? wtf? | 00:02 |
| dupondje | not accepting new merges/syncs :) | 00:02 |
| ajmitch | ari-tczew: just for alpha 3 | 00:02 |
| ari-tczew | ajmitch: it will be unfrozen? | 00:02 |
| ajmitch | yes | 00:02 |
| Laney | The method of the upload doesn't matter, just the content of the changes therein | 00:02 |
| dupondje | freezes are boring :) we want to live on the edge ! | 00:03 |
| tumbleweed | dupondje: if they are important, they are accepted after feature freeze | 00:03 |
| dupondje | hmz ok :) | 00:03 |
| ari-tczew | even fix ftbfs won't be uploaded? | 00:03 |
| tumbleweed | well, not important so much as "probably safe" | 00:03 |
| Laney | tumbleweed: you are looking for "bug fixes" | 00:04 |
| bdrung | ari-tczew: in two days after the alpha 3 release | 00:04 |
| tumbleweed | Laney: thanks :) | 00:04 |
| ajmitch | ari-tczew: alpha freezes just last 2-3 days, and generally uploads of things that fix problems on the CDs can be uploaded | 00:04 |
| ajmitch | it's just a chance for the archive to settle down a bit so that an alpha can be released in an installable state | 00:04 |
| Laney | Freezes aren't boring, they are nice. Unfrozen things break. | 00:04 |
| Laney | Say hello to dpkg and autoconf recently | 00:05 |
| ajmitch | it's not like you actually wanted anything in your binary packages anyway | 00:05 |
| Laney | vacuous bug-freeness? | 00:05 |
| Laney | I like the idea | 00:05 |
| ajmitch | we were discussing this in #ubuntu-nz yesterday | 00:06 |
| ajmitch | 10:46 < thumper> snail: there are no bugs in no code | 00:06 |
| ajmitch | 10:46 < snail> there are an infinite number of bugs in no code | 00:06 |
| ajmitch | which is true, I do not know :) | 00:06 |
| ajmitch | though the code in question was LP, which changes things somewhat | 00:07 |
| bdrung | first it's always possible to strip one line of source code and second your program contains at least one bug. | 00:07 |
| bdrung | therefore you can reduce your program to one faulty line. :D | 00:08 |
| Laney | the second one is breaking my brain | 00:09 |
| Laney | I don't think it's right | 00:09 |
| bdrung | an other maxim: software is either buggy or outdated. | 00:09 |
| bdrung | Laney: you have to apply induction | 00:09 |
| Laney | not yours | 00:10 |
| Laney | that's just plain wrong :P | 00:10 |
| dupondje | bdrung: beta2 of audacious came out 2 days ago. Will you package it ? :) | 00:11 |
| bdrung | dupondje: i will put it on my todo list. it will be processed after vlc. | 00:11 |
| dupondje | nice nice :) | 00:11 |
| dupondje | cause new version is kinda sweet | 00:12 |
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| ari-tczew | I've got ftbfs: /bin/sh: libtoolize: not found | 00:30 |
| ari-tczew | what's the problem? | 00:30 |
| dutchie | it didn't find libtoolize</obvious> | 00:31 |
| ari-tczew | what's the package? | 00:32 |
| jpds | ari-tczew: libtool. | 00:33 |
| jpds | ari-tczew: I suggest using apt-file for looking for files within packages. | 00:33 |
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| bdrung | dupondje: i am working with -j2. i am compiling audacious. next step: audacious-plugins. | 00:38 |
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| bdrung | dupondje: i am faster than i thought. i am uploading audacious | 01:26 |
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| micahg | highvoltage: you sitll around? | 01:47 |
| highvoltage | micahg: yep | 01:49 |
| micahg | highvoltage: saw your post on u-d@l.u.c about an official PPA finder, wanted to say the Mozilla team has been kicking around the idea for a tool like that for a while now, if someone ever writes one, I can let you know | 01:50 |
| micahg | highvoltage: I actually discussed it at one of the UDS sessions, but the focus seems to be more on the blessed new apss for stable release | 01:51 |
| highvoltage | micahg: great! yeah some people aren't so crazy about the idea but I thinkit could have some value to many people | 01:53 |
| bdrung | DktrKranz: ready for uploading u-t-d 0.101 to unstable? | 01:58 |
| RAOF | A simple thing like having a PPA associated with a project would cover a lot of that, I think. | 01:59 |
| micahg | RAOF: well, the problem at least for the Mozilla team is switching back and forth between stable/beta/daily/archive on demand | 02:00 |
| highvoltage | RAOF: *nod* and it does | 02:02 |
| RAOF | micahg: Well, a trivial generalisation of my idea would be to display all the PPAs of the user/team which owns the project. | 02:03 |
| micahg | RAOF: ah, that might work, we're grouping all our PPAs under the mozillateam team and kubuntu-ppa has all theirs groups | 02:04 |
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| micahg | I forget, are we supposed to leave the builders free in case of emergency, or can we upload unseeded packages? | 04:13 |
| RAOF | micahg: "Unseeded packages can be uploaded as normal" | 04:17 |
| micahg | RAOF: did I just not read the notice well enough? | 04:17 |
| * micahg apparently did :-/ | 04:17 | |
| eagles0513875 | hey shadeslayer | 06:56 |
| DktrKranz | bdrung: did you do your changes? Yesterday, I committed changes to Maintainer and Uploaders | 07:33 |
| eagles0513875 | hey guys is there a channel that deals with xorg and video card drivers? | 07:41 |
| tumbleweed | eagles0513875: #ubuntu-x | 07:42 |
| eagles0513875 | ty tumbleweed :) | 07:42 |
| dholbach | good morning | 07:53 |
| eagles0513875 | morning dholbach | 07:57 |
| dholbach | hi eagles0513875 | 07:57 |
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| huats | morning | 09:06 |
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| bdrung | DktrKranz: yes. it's ready for realease | 09:43 |
| DktrKranz | ok | 09:44 |
| DktrKranz | bdrung: releasing, and uploading | 10:26 |
| DktrKranz | I'll do in Debian first, then immediately sync | 10:26 |
| bdrung | DktrKranz: yes, thanks | 10:26 |
| bdrung | DktrKranz: there was an merge request: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/ubuntu-dev-tools/trunk/+activereviews | 10:37 |
| DktrKranz | bdrung: I didn't finalize it yet, want to merge it first? | 10:39 |
| bdrung | DktrKranz: looks sane. can you check it and merge it? i have to leave now. bbl | 10:40 |
| DktrKranz | ok | 10:40 |
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| DktrKranz | bdrung: all done | 11:18 |
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| CarlosRod | Hello | 17:09 |
| vish | could someone upload bug 550261 to -proposed? the bug was on SRU queue for nearly 2 months without an upload to -proposed | 17:10 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 550261 in sbackup (Ubuntu) "Backups cannot be started through the GUI" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/550261 | 17:10 |
| CarlosRod | I need some help packing an aplicattion and making a makefile | 17:10 |
| CarlosRod | Can you help me in this room? I'm in the correct place? | 17:10 |
| CarlosRod | Can you please tell me the correct room to get some help for my questions? :) | 17:12 |
| micahg | CarlosRod: try #ubuntu-packaging | 17:13 |
| tumbleweed | vish: is ubuntu-sponsors subscribed? | 17:13 |
| vish | tumbleweed: just subscribed now , apparently the nssbackup team didnt know the procedure | 17:13 |
| CarlosRod | Thanks you micahg | 17:13 |
| vish | tumbleweed: they only subscribed the SRU team .. | 17:14 |
| tumbleweed | vish: I'll look at it later (if nobody else has yet) | 17:14 |
| vish | tumbleweed: neat , thanks :) | 17:14 |
| CarlosRod | just one question, if I install a program, where is the binary of the program installed? at /usr/bin/?? where is the data used by the program?? For example if the program needs images, logs or something | 17:25 |
| dutchie | CarlosRod: the binary goes in /usr/bin, the data normally ends up in /usr/share | 17:26 |
| dutchie | CarlosRod: you can see what files a package installs by issuing the command "dpkg -L <package>" | 17:26 |
| CarlosRod | Thanks you and one more question... | 17:26 |
| tumbleweed | CarlosRod: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard | 17:27 |
| CarlosRod | If I put my binary on bin and the data on share, when programing the source, Should I call these data files with the /data/share/ at the beginning? | 17:27 |
| CarlosRod | Or the system asumes that? | 17:27 |
| CarlosRod | The problem is that Im making code source for both windows and linux... And I dont want to change the path of the data used by the program | 17:28 |
| CarlosRod | thanks you tumbleweed, I will take a look :) | 17:28 |
| tumbleweed | CarlosRod: make the path configurable at compile-time | 17:28 |
| tumbleweed | look for the gnu coding standards, if you want to see what teh conventions are | 17:28 |
| CarlosRod | Ok, thanks you :) | 17:29 |
| tumbleweed | btw, you'll never have /data/ on a standard system | 17:29 |
| CarlosRod | And, then, how I should include images and more? | 17:29 |
| tumbleweed | CarlosRod: btw, this is off-topic for this channel. images are data (most of the time) so /usr/share/<packagename> (or /usr/local/share/<packagename> if installed from source) | 17:30 |
| CarlosRod | Ok, thanks you :) | 17:31 |
| CarlosRod | I will try your suggestions :) | 17:32 |
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| ari-tczew | can package from universe build-depends on package from main? | 18:54 |
| tumbleweed | yes | 18:54 |
| tumbleweed | vish: looking at your sbackup bug | 18:54 |
| vish | tumbleweed: neat! | 18:56 |
| tumbleweed | vish: has it been fixed in maverick? it doesn't look like it... | 18:56 |
| vish | tumbleweed: no , not uploaded anywhere :( | 18:57 |
| tumbleweed | ok, policy is to do that first | 18:57 |
| highvoltage | talking about SRUs? | 18:58 |
| tumbleweed | highvoltage: yeah | 18:58 |
| tumbleweed | bug #550261 | 18:58 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 550261 in sbackup (Ubuntu) "Backups cannot be started through the GUI" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/550261 | 18:58 |
| ari-tczew | I've got ftbfs: dh_install: python-evince missing files (debian/tmp/usr/lib/python*/*-packages/gtk-2.0/evince.so), aborting | 18:59 |
| ari-tczew | what happened? | 18:59 |
| tumbleweed | ari-tczew: recreate it :) | 19:00 |
| ari-tczew | tumbleweed: what recreate ? | 19:00 |
| tumbleweed | I mean try and build it, see what went wrong | 19:00 |
| tumbleweed | where that file actually is | 19:00 |
| ari-tczew | tumbleweed: I build it with pbuilder | 19:01 |
| tumbleweed | ari-tczew: I use the C10shell hook so I can debug failures | 19:01 |
| ari-tczew | tumbleweed: I remember some situations when change *site to *dist-packages fixes ftbfs | 19:06 |
| tumbleweed | ari-tczew: yes, but that was *-packages | 19:06 |
| tumbleweed | python 2.6 uses dist-packages, < 2.6 uses site-packages | 19:06 |
| ari-tczew | tumbleweed: so I can't reproduce it and can't fix it. | 19:07 |
| tumbleweed | ari-tczew: I'll have a look | 19:07 |
| ari-tczew | tumbleweed: maybe should I change to /*dist-packages? | 19:08 |
| tumbleweed | ari-tczew: no, that glob you pasted in th eerror looked correct | 19:08 |
| ari-tczew | tumbleweed: sorry, too hard for me | 19:09 |
| tumbleweed | ari-tczew: it just built in my pbuilder | 19:14 |
| ari-tczew | tumbleweed: which package? | 19:16 |
| tumbleweed | ari-tczew: gnome-python-desktop_2.30.0-1ubuntu3 | 19:19 |
| tumbleweed | (was that not the ftbfs you were talking about?) | 19:20 |
| ari-tczew | tumbleweed: ah, 1 hour ago fixed | 19:21 |
| ari-tczew | tumbleweed: I got on my disk package from yesterday | 19:21 |
| tumbleweed | always nice when someone else fixes the bug :) | 19:22 |
| ari-tczew | heh | 19:22 |
| ari-tczew | we need perl 5.12 in ubuntu :( | 19:26 |
| pting | i'm trying to push up to launchpad a package that requires sun-java6-sdk, but it's complaining about the missing dependency. how do i specify to include the partner repo? | 19:59 |
| tumbleweed | pting: you can't depend an partner in main/universe. Does it not build with openjdk? | 20:01 |
| pting | tumbleweed, possibly, but i haven't tried | 20:16 |
| ari-tczew | please look, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/opendrim-lmp-dns/1.1.0-0ubuntu1/+build/1892064 | 20:41 |
| ari-tczew | why it's ftbfs? Missing build dependencies: sfcb | 20:41 |
| ari-tczew | but it's available: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sblim-sfcb/1.3.8-0ubuntu1/+build/1850332 | 20:41 |
| geser | ari-tczew: look at the compontents | 20:46 |
| geser | sfcb is in multiverse and opendrim-lmp-dns is in universe | 20:46 |
| ari-tczew | geser: so it never be built? | 20:47 |
| geser | no, unless the components get fixed | 20:49 |
| geser | ari-tczew: opendrim-lpm-dns needs to get moved to multiverse (like the other opendrim-* packages) | 20:49 |
| geser | and I see that the opendrim-lpm-* binary packages are also in the wrong component: they are in universe while their source is in multiverse | 20:50 |
| ari-tczew | geser: my observation: FTBFS is gigantic chain of packages. | 20:50 |
| geser | what you mean with "gigantic chain of packages"? | 20:53 |
| ari-tczew | geser: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/red5/0.9.1-1/+build/1730707 | 20:53 |
| ari-tczew | follow for missing packages | 20:53 |
| ari-tczew | 1package missing of second -> second package missing of third package -> etc.. | 20:54 |
| ari-tczew | but there is a closed while | 20:54 |
| geser | ah, yes, that happens sometime | 20:54 |
| ari-tczew | look on this: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tiles/2.2.1-2/+build/1731810 and https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libspring-2.5-java/2.5.6.SEC01-10/+build/1802711 | 20:54 |
| geser | yes, some -java packages have cyclic build-dependencies or even build-depend on themselves :( | 20:55 |
| maco | wait what? | 20:55 |
| ari-tczew | how we can fix it? | 20:55 |
| maco | how can a package build-depend on itself? | 20:56 |
| hyperair | compilers need to get compiled too. | 20:56 |
| ari-tczew | maco: no itself | 20:56 |
| ari-tczew | 1st package depends on 2nd, but 2nd depends on 1st | 20:57 |
| maco | ari-tczew: yeah thats circular, but read what geser said | 20:57 |
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| ari-tczew | I understand you think that 1st build on the same (1st) | 20:57 |
| hyperair | oh fun stuff. | 20:57 |
| geser | ari-tczew: I wanted to ask the Debian Java maintainers for input how to solve this bootstrapping problem for some java packages but didn't found time to do it | 20:58 |
| ari-tczew | aha | 20:58 |
| ari-tczew | I'd ping for this micahg and ttx | 20:58 |
| ari-tczew | ^^ | 20:59 |
| micahg | ari-tczew: why me? | 20:59 |
| ari-tczew | micahg: because I think that you're familiar with java packages :) | 20:59 |
| micahg | ari-tczew: ah, that would be a mistaken assumption :) I consume java packages, might have more luck with bdrung | 21:00 |
| micahg | ari-tczew: my extent of maintaining java packages only had to do wtih their xul components | 21:00 |
| micahg | *has | 21:00 |
| ari-tczew | aha | 21:00 |
| ari-tczew | hmmm, I think that MoM has been hanged | 21:02 |
| ari-tczew | it didn't update some time | 21:03 |
| tumbleweed | ari-tczew: you could retry grab udd-udd-merge | 21:03 |
| ari-tczew | tumbleweed: did you any updates? | 21:04 |
| tumbleweed | yes | 21:04 |
| ari-tczew | tumbleweed: could you give me a changelog? | 21:05 |
| tumbleweed | ari-tczew: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~stefanor/ubuntu-dev-tools/grab-udd-merge/changes | 21:06 |
| ari-tczew | tumbleweed: one suggest to code | 21:09 |
| ari-tczew | author='Change Me <mom@ubuntu.com>', | 21:09 |
| tumbleweed | ari-tczew: that will be automatically changed if the user uses dch | 21:09 |
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| ari-tczew | could is it possible to getting an user variables from Ubuntu? e.g. dch -i using this | 21:09 |
| ari-tczew | ah, so it;s done? | 21:10 |
| tumbleweed | no, I mean the developer is supposed to edit th echangelog with dch, so they sohuld never see that | 21:10 |
| micahg | ari-tczew: dch -e edits that away | 21:10 |
| tumbleweed | I was going to make it say "use dch -e <foo@example.com>" but that'd probably be even more confusing | 21:11 |
| ari-tczew | aha | 21:12 |
| ari-tczew | tumbleweed: I will try your updated script, but it not fix a problem with MoM - I'd like to see a packages for merging. | 21:20 |
| tumbleweed | ari-tczew: obviously, but it's a workaround to a broken mom | 21:21 |
| ari-tczew | tumbleweed: there is also lucas merges: http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~lucas/merges.html but there aren't a numbers | 21:22 |
| tumbleweed | ari-tczew: aah. I meant for quick grabbing of the sources you need to do / look at a merge | 21:24 |
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| bdrung | DktrKranz: thanks | 22:39 |
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| ari-tczew | bdrung: are you familiar with java packages? | 22:52 |
| bdrung | ari-tczew: not that much. | 22:53 |
| bdrung | ari-tczew: is it debian-related? then ask nthykier in #debian-java | 22:54 |
| ajmitch | java packages can be a little tricky & annoying at times | 22:54 |
| bdrung | ajmitch: especially if the source name is 'eclipse' | 22:54 |
| ajmitch | sorry, I don't have enough RAM to think about that one | 22:55 |
| ari-tczew | bdrung: we are in the same zonetime, please look on 21:57 | 22:55 |
| ari-tczew | here | 22:55 |
| ajmitch | ouch, cyclic build-depends | 22:57 |
| bdrung | ari-tczew: go to #debian-java on otfc and ask nthykier | 22:57 |
| * ScottK once tried to build eclipse on a machine with 256MB RAM. It didn't end well. | 22:58 | |
| bdrung | ajmitch: you need only 2 GiB for the compiling process. with 5 GiB RAM you can compile it in tmpfs | 22:58 |
| geser | ScottK: for you, the machine or both? | 22:59 |
| ScottK | The machine. | 22:59 |
| ajmitch | ScottK: I only tend to give my maverick & sid VMs 512MB RAM | 22:59 |
| ajmitch | they'd have no hope | 22:59 |
| ScottK | This was ~gutsy, so it was less insane then. | 23:00 |
| bdrung | ajmitch: it takes 10 mins with enough RAM | 23:00 |
| ajmitch | not as bad as some | 23:00 |
| bdrung | ajmitch: on my laptop with only 2 GiB RAM and encrypted hard drive it takes ~ 80 mins | 23:01 |
| ari-tczew | didrocks: ping on bugs: bug 609634 ; bug 595499 ; bug 609754 | 23:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 609634 in fetchmail (Ubuntu) "Merge fetchmail 6.3.17-4 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/609634 | 23:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 595499 in gnu-efi (Ubuntu) "Please merge gnu-efi 3.0i-3(main) from debian unstable(main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/595499 | 23:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 609754 in acct (Ubuntu) "Merge acct 6.5.4-2 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/609754 | 23:20 |
| ajmitch | ari-tczew: fetchmail debdiff looks to be for exim4 | 23:21 |
| ari-tczew | ajmitch: yea, human mistake. thanks! | 23:22 |
| ari-tczew | ajmitch: correct file uploaded. | 23:24 |
| ajmitch | it's sad that I saw fetchmail, remembered merging it in recent times & seeing that it was in 2006 | 23:24 |
| ari-tczew | ajmitch: 2006? o_O | 23:25 |
| ajmitch | main is still frozen for now, isn't it? | 23:27 |
| Laney | yep | 23:28 |
| ajmitch | ok, I'll hold off on uploading then | 23:28 |
| Laney | have these changes been sent to debian? | 23:29 |
| * ajmitch is just looking back to see why they were made | 23:29 | |
| ajmitch | bug 254254 | 23:29 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 254254 in fetchmail (Ubuntu) "Still uses multiuser argument to dh_installinit" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/254254 | 23:29 |
| ajmitch | looks to be the closest | 23:30 |
| Laney | looks merged even | 23:30 |
| Laney | * Not explicitly stop daemon on runlevel 0 and 6 (Closes: #498427). | 23:30 |
| ajmitch | might be the wrong bug, I was just reading from the changelog | 23:30 |
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