[10:21] <hot_wheelz> hi guys even if you had an error say like a week ago it should still be in your logs when you pull the logs with log graber right?
[10:35] <hot_wheelz> anyone?
[10:49] <hot_wheelz> can somone please check https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/567669
[10:49] <Zinn> [bugs.launchpad.net] Bug #567669 in Mythbuntu: “Irrecoverable recorder error”
[10:49] <hot_wheelz> Thanks
[10:50] <hot_wheelz> Zinn yes i posted my log file to help out
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[10:58] <hot_wheelz> tgm4883 are you there?
[11:02] <hot_wheelz> also what version of the Afatech
[11:02] <hot_wheelz> firmware
[11:03] <hot_wheelz> ships with 10.04?
[11:03] <hot_wheelz> by default
[11:04] <hot_wheelz> is it lower than 4.95.0
[13:25] <dewman> rhpot1991, no update yet.....
[14:32] <rhpot1991> dewman: you can apply it yourself
[15:43] <dewman> rhpot1991, yep.... just pulled the official release from google and just applied it.
[18:15] <extasy> anyone here?
[18:16] <rhpot1991> !ask | extasy
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[18:18] <extasy> it had to do with an environment problem.
[18:18] <extasy> Using runtime prefix = /usr
[18:18] <extasy> Using configuration directory = /.mythtv
[18:18] <extasy> Cannot locate your home directory. Please set the environment variable HOME
[18:19] <extasy> even thou I start my mythtv with export HOME=/home/mythtv ; mythbackend -l /var/log/mythbackend.log -d
[18:23] <extasy> why is home varible not set in system itself?
[18:24] <superm1> extasy, why aren't you using the upstart job?
[18:25] <superm1> and you are missing the user parameter
[18:25] <extasy> I start my backend from script..
[18:26] <extasy> what upstart job?
[18:26] <superm1> /etc/init/mythtv-backend.conf
[18:26] <superm1> it comes in the backend package
[18:26] <superm1> it should be able to manage the backend for you
[18:26] <superm1> and restart it if it dies etc
[18:27] <extasy> should this conf be loaded by starting mythtvbackend without my help?
[18:27] <superm1> it should be started automatically when you booted the system actually
[18:27] <superm1> okay lets do this... start over from the beginning.
[18:28] <superm1> what version of the OS
[18:28] <superm1> what version of the packages
[18:28] <superm1> and what problem pre-empted you to try to write a custom script to start the backend
[18:28] <extasy> I'm on 9.10
[18:28] <superm1> 9.10 mythbuntu, or 9.10 ubuntu
[18:29] <superm1> and are you using autobuilds?
[18:29] <extasy> with
[18:29] <extasy> Please attach all output as a file in bug reports.
[18:29] <extasy> MythTV Version   : 25496
[18:29] <extasy> MythTV Branch    : branches/release-0-23-fixes
[18:29] <extasy> Network Protocol : 23056
[18:29] <superm1> okay so yes, autobuilds
[18:29] <superm1> so it should have installed an upstart job to /etc/init/mythtv-backend.conf
[18:29] <superm1> do you see that there?
[18:29] <extasy> yes I have it written by no less then you! :)
[18:29] <superm1> :)
[18:30] <superm1> okay, so make sure no backend is running  first, and then try running "sudo start mythtv-backend"
[18:30] <superm1> that should start the backend
[18:30] <superm1> if it doesn't, then check /var/log/mythbackend.log and it should tell you exactly what went wrong..
[18:36] <extasy> superm1, when running the script nothing hapens
[18:36] <extasy> I killed the backend..
[18:36] <extasy> I have the log in tail -f
[18:36] <extasy> no acction when doing a sudo start mythtv-backend
[18:37] <extasy> I get this message : mythtv-backend start/running, process 18418
[18:37] <tgm4883> that looks good?
[18:37] <tgm4883> looks like it is running to me
[18:37] <extasy> but there is no process running on that number
[18:38] <tgm4883> thats odd
[18:38] <extasy> /etc/init.d$ sudo kill -9 18418
[18:38] <extasy> kill: No such process
[18:38] <tgm4883> sudo stop mythtv-backend
[18:38] <extasy> sudo stop mythtv-backend
[18:38] <extasy> stop: Unknown instance:
[18:39] <tgm4883> and doing a start again gives you the same message?
[18:39] <extasy> henrik@mythtv:/etc/init.d$ sudo start mythtv-backend
[18:39] <extasy> mythtv-backend start/running, process 18473
[18:40] <extasy> ohh sorry
[18:40] <extasy> found it in another log file
[18:40] <extasy> 2010-08-04 19:39:14.506 Using runtime prefix = /usr
[18:40] <extasy> 2010-08-04 19:39:14.556 Using configuration directory = /.mythtv
[18:40] <extasy> 2010-08-04 19:39:14.606 Cannot locate your home directory. Please set the environment variable HOME
[18:40] <extasy> 2010-08-04 19:39:14.656 Failed to init MythContext, exiting.
[18:40] <extasy> that is why it's exeting..
[18:41] <tgm4883> superm1, where do we set HOME?
[18:41] <extasy> so I have been using the 'export HOME=/home/mythtv ; mythbackend -l /var/log/mythbackend.log -d' as startup
[18:41] <extasy> just to get the backend working
[18:42] <tgm4883> extasy, pastebin the output of 'env'
[18:42] <superm1> extasy, do you have an /etc/default/mythtv-backend file?
[18:42] <superm1> if so, can you please rename it temporarily and try again?
[18:42] <extasy> I have renamed it..
[18:44] <extasy> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/X3B29JnK
[18:44] <extasy> should I try agan to start it?
[18:44] <superm1> yes
[18:45] <tgm4883> superm1, at the very least, shouldn't it be using /home/henrik as the base there?
[18:45] <superm1> tgm4883, not when started from upstart i dont think
[18:45] <tgm4883> ok, but he can't start it as his user either?
[18:45] <tgm4883> from command line
[18:45] <superm1> well he wasn't using the --user parameter
[18:46] <tgm4883> so it doesn't default to the current user?
[18:46] <extasy>  sudo start mythtv-backend
[18:46] <extasy> start: Job is already running: mythtv-backend
[18:46] <superm1> well stop the job first, and then start it
[18:46] <tgm4883> odd that it says that though. Shouldn't it try to restart itself?
[18:47] <rhpot1991> make sure /etc/default/mythtv-backend doesn't exist before you start it
[18:47] <extasy> now it started :)
[18:47] <superm1> so something in there was causing a mess
[18:47] <superm1> what's it's contents?
[18:48] <extasy> let me pastebin it for you
[18:48] <extasy> or its a small file
[18:48] <extasy> # User as which to run
[18:48] <extasy> USER=mythtv
[18:48] <extasy> # Replace all arguments to mythtv-backend
[18:48] <extasy> ARGS="--logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log"
[18:49] <superm1> ah ha
[18:49] <superm1> the ARGS was missing --user
[18:49] <extasy> I have not changed these files..
[18:49] <superm1> fortunately, you can just remove that file and all will be well and good in the world again
[18:52] <extasy> should I in rc.local just write start mythtv-frontend?
[18:53] <extasy> not service etc etc?
[18:53] <extasy> like 'service start /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend'
[18:55] <extasy> superm1, do you have a good answere?
[18:55] <superm1> extasy, are you using gnome or xfce?
[18:55] <extasy> xfce
[18:55] <superm1> then if you go into mcc, you should be able to just check the start up automatically thing
[18:55] <superm1> and it will do it for you
[18:56] <extasy> but I need it to be started in script.. I have other things started in sequal
[18:56] <superm1> then set up a .desktop file in ~/.config/autostart that starts a shell script to do it all sequentially
[18:56] <superm1> what are the other things?
[18:57] <extasy> sasc
[18:57] <extasy> then it sleeps for 10 seconds
[18:57] <extasy> then it starts the backend
[18:57] <superm1> !sasc-ng
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[18:57] <superm1> can't really help you much more in here
[18:57] <extasy> well I just want to know how to start mythbackend
[18:57] <extasy> from script
[18:58] <extasy> I am not about to discuss it..
[18:58] <superm1> considering that's what you're workign with, we can't really help you more in here
[18:58] <extasy> ju just asked me what I was starting before.. It has nothing to do with my question.
[18:58] <superm1> we're not about enabling people to use it thought
[18:59] <superm1> the developers for it should be able to help get you up and running if you want to go that route
[18:59] <extasy> my provider has no problem with it.. it's not wrong here..
[18:59] <extasy> well I have no problem with it
[18:59] <extasy> I only have problem with getting enviroment working for backend
[18:59] <extasy> so starting your script from rc.local
[18:59] <extasy> lets keep it to that
[19:00] <superm1> regardless what your provider see it as, you won't get any help from us for something related to it
[19:00] <superm1> sorry
[19:00] <extasy> okej.. next question
[19:00] <extasy> since some time ago I lost alot of my pictures in video
[19:00] <extasy> looking at themovedb
[19:00] <extasy> they are all there..
[19:01] <extasy> And the video plugin gets the right information about the movie the meta text
[19:01] <extasy> so I get the plot of the movie
[19:01] <extasy> but the pictures are not downloaded as front any more
[19:02] <extasy> it still works gr8 with tv epps but not with movies
[19:36] <kcormier> Hi all.  Is anyone else having trouble accessing mythbuntu.org?
[19:38] <tgm4883> kcormier, yep, thats not good. thanks for the warning
[19:39] <kcormier> well.  I have a lot of other questions.  but I was going to try and figure some of them out myself.  Now you guys are my only resource, really not good. ;)
[19:40] <tgm4883> there are the forums too
[19:40] <tgm4883> but ask away
[19:41] <rhpot1991> extasy: using storage groups?
[19:42] <rhpot1991> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2010/08/how-do-you-get-movies-andor-music-into-your-home-theater.ars
[19:42] <Zinn> [arstechnica.com] How do you get movies and/or music into your home theater?
[19:42] <rhpot1991> everyone go represent ^
[19:47] <kcormier> mythbuntu.org is back
[19:47] <tgm4883> kcormier, mythbuntu.org is back up
[19:47] <kcormier> lol
[19:47] <tgm4883> yea we restarted the server
[19:51] <kcormier> I guess my biggest question is, how can i get involved in mythbuntu, and what kind of environment can I expect to be working in.  I'm a talented enough developer and system/server admin.  I am young though, wet behind the ears so to speak.  More than anything I'm looking for a mentor.
[19:52] <rhpot1991> kcormier: http://www.mythbuntu.org/gettinginvolved
[19:52] <rhpot1991> lots of ways to contribute
[19:53] <tgm4883> kcormier, great news. Join us in #ubuntu-mythtv-dev and check that site rhpot1991 linked
[19:54] <tgm4883> while those pages are great, if you don't have a particular area of interest let me know what you are good at and I can give you stuff to work on
[19:54] <kcormier> thanks tgm.
[21:33] <rhpot1991> kcormier: ok so you have a motorolloa dch 3200
[21:33] <kcormier> yup
[21:33] <rhpot1991> tune it to a local channel
[21:33] <kcormier> by local channel you mean?
[21:34] <rhpot1991> ABC, NBC, Fox, something
[21:34] <rhpot1991> they are less likely to be encrypted, so you want to test those first
[21:35] <rhpot1991> after you do that, you are going to hit power then quickly hit ok/select and hold it
[21:35] <rhpot1991> it should boot into a diagnosis screen (black and white)
[21:36] <kcormier> ok
[21:37] <rhpot1991> now its gonna get rough cause I haven't been in here in a long time, can you list the menu choices?
[21:38] <kcormier> current channel status?
[21:39] <rhpot1991> see whats in there, that might list the encryption
[21:39] <kcormier> cci: 0x00
[21:39] <rhpot1991> yes good
[21:39] <rhpot1991> that means 5c is not on for this channel
[21:40] <rhpot1991> currently at least
[21:40] <rhpot1991> (more on that later)
[21:41] <kcormier> when i look at port status for 1394 it says "5c implementation: no"
[21:41] <kcormier> is that significant?
[21:41] <rhpot1991> kcormier: surf around the menus and look for something that says either firewire: active or 1394 active
[21:41] <rhpot1991> or maybe words about disabled or enabled
[21:41] <kcormier> active: yes, enabled: no
[21:41] <kcormier> sorry
[21:41] <kcormier> backwards
[21:41] <kcormier> enabled: yes, active: no
[21:41] <rhpot1991> ok so it says 1394 is active?
[21:42] <rhpot1991> err enabled
[21:42] <kcormier> confused us both.  yes it is enabled
[21:42] <rhpot1991> ok good
[21:42] <rhpot1991> so now you can exit out of here
[21:43] <rhpot1991> launch mythtv-setup from the menu
[21:43] <kcormier> ok.  I don't have the cable box hooked up to my myth box yet.  I'll have to order another cable box first.  I just wanted to see if it was going to be worth it.
[21:44] <kcormier> If I could expect it to work correctly.
[21:44] <rhpot1991> kcormier: well, thats a bit of a loaded question firewire isn't the most reliable option IMO
[21:45] <rhpot1991> but it works sometimes, and can get channels that other tuners often can't
[21:45] <rhpot1991> kcormier: I would try hooking it up and messing around with it
[21:45] <rhpot1991> you can still use it for watching tv, just not both at the same time
[21:46] <rhpot1991> the next 2 steps would be to set it up as a tuner in mythtv-setup
[21:46] <rhpot1991> then after that you need to setup a primer, I'd recommend using: /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/user_jobs/firewire_primer.pl
[21:46] <kcormier> alright
[21:46] <kcormier> you said sometimes the firewire will get you channels that other methods won't.  Why is that?
[21:47] <rhpot1991> and then tell me I need to put that into the wiki
[21:47] <rhpot1991> kcormier: well before we had tuners that could do component, firewire was the only way to record HD channels that weren't your locals
[21:48] <rhpot1991> I hardly use my firewire anymore now that I have a HD-PVR 1212 though
[21:48] <rhpot1991> I do use firewire for tuning channels, just not for recording, unless all my other tuners are used
[21:49] <kcormier> when you say tuning, you mean you use firewire to change channels rather than an ir blaster or something like that?
[21:49] <kcormier> but then use the hd tuner to record it (circumventing c5?)
[21:56] <rhpot1991> yep
[22:05] <kcormier> have you ever heard of soc?
[22:25] <Gibby> my PS3 is recognizing my backend however it does not see any of the videos, I am able to stream them from a normal front end..... any help?
[22:40] <mrand> Gibby: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/438651#438651
[22:40] <Zinn> [www.gossamer-threads.com] UPnP, ripped DVD's, and the PS3 | MythTV | Users
[22:49] <Gibby> mrand: thanks I will check it out in a few, filling a complaint against my ISP