[11:02] <davmor2> morning all
[11:35] <ara> morning davmor2
[12:53] <hggdh> morning all
[13:13] <hggdh> the server ISO is going through the third iteration, correct?
[13:15] <ara> hggdh, that's what I heard, yes
[13:17]  * ara -> lunch
[13:21] <hggdh> ara, thank you
[13:30] <zul> yes it should be available now
[13:41] <hggdh> zul: great, thanks
[14:25] <charlie-tca> xubuntu images tested done; now testing Ubuntu alternate images
[14:27]  * ara hugs charlie-tca 
[14:28]  * ara starts the "optional" test cases
[14:43]  * hggdh enters hell while testing UEC
[14:43] <hggdh> abandon hope, etc, etc
[14:53] <bladernr> Hey... does anyone know if there's a way to use testdrive against local ISO copies instead of having it rsync every time?
[14:56] <charlie-tca> I think so
[14:57] <charlie-tca> copy /etc/testdriverc to ~/.testdriverc and change lines at about line 48
[14:58] <charlie-tca> Comment "u = rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage"
[14:58] <charlie-tca> add a new line starting with "u = " and the location you want it to use locally
[14:59] <charlie-tca> This u = "file://mnt/whynot-maverick_meerkat-1010/xubuntu" lets it use my local downloaded iso
[14:59] <charlie-tca> and since there are 4 iso images there, it even asks which one I want
[15:07] <bladernr> charlie-tca:  yeah, I just pinged kirkland and he pointed out the glaringly obvious...
[16:24] <davmor2> ara: so the wubi issue is across all the desktops
[16:25] <ara> davmor2, do you know if they are they going to respin because of that?
[16:25] <davmor2> ara: I wouldn't of thought so ev is debconf with a crap connection
[17:19] <fader_> Howdy folks
[17:19]  * fader_ starts syncing ISOs.
[17:21] <davmor2> fader_: hello slacker where you been sciving off to?
[17:22] <fader_> davmor2: Traveling... had some family issues that necessitated me going back home for a bit
[17:40] <bladernr> hrmmm  are there special video settings necessary for KVM and Maverick?  Both my 64bit Kubuntu installs ran fine, but once I get logged in via KDM I get nothign but a blank white screen and a mouse pointer.
[17:51] <ara> bladernr, it looks like a bug
[17:51] <ara> bladernr, it should work out of the box
[17:51] <ara> Riddell, ^ any idea?
[17:52]  * ara takes a break before the IRC meeting
[17:52] <bladernr> ara... I was wondering if it was that, or just me.  For A3 I'm trying to make the switch from Virtualbox to KVM
[17:53] <Riddell> shouldn't be but it's always possible kwin's compositing doesn't work with it
[17:53] <Riddell> bladernr: I take it gnome works ok?
[17:53] <ara> Riddell, it works for me
[17:53] <Riddell> bladernr: what happens if you press alt-f2 ?
[17:54] <bladernr> Riddell:  I'm doing a Ubuntu install now to verify that.  My last two were Kubuntu Alternates so no GUI until after install...
[17:54] <Riddell> i just did a alternate amd64 kubuntu install and it's fine, so it'll be something about the video driver usage probably
[17:55] <bladernr> Riddell:  FWIW, the GNOME session on the Live CD works fine
[17:55] <bladernr> Riddell:  That's what I thought.  Someone else did one of the kubuntu alternate tests earlier and didn't mention issues...
[17:55] <bladernr> but as this is the first time I've really used KVM (I'm an old Xen guy) I'm learning by doing :/
[17:55] <Riddell> the other possiblity is plasma crashing or not starting which is what the alt-f2 test is for
[18:06] <Riddell> davmor2: hmm, I'm also getting the low video mode dialogue on live CD startup
[18:06] <Riddell> although it then starts in perfectly good video mode with compositing
[18:21] <davmor2> Riddell: How are you getting to that bit mine is just dropping into terminal
[18:22] <Riddell> I just click OK a couple of times
[18:22]  * davmor2 tries again
[18:28] <Riddell> davmor2: no problem on an installed machine though
[18:31] <davmor2> Riddell: resorted to typing startx to get it up and running again
[18:34] <davmor2> Hey Riddell you know the Recent Devices icon will it not get confused with USB ?
[18:34] <Riddell> with USB what?
[18:35] <davmor2> Riddell: the icon used is very similar to the one for USB
[18:35] <Riddell> with a USB socket? I wouldn't think so, one is a physical part of the computer and the other is an icon :)
[18:36] <davmor2> Riddell: I was thinking more that it would only list what was connected via USB :D
[18:37] <Riddell> maybe, I agree it's not ideal, but you get a large panel popping up when you insert anything (e.g. CD) so it's pretty obvious when you need it
[19:09] <charlie-tca> I can not do the alternate image LTSP server installs; I don't have the setup for it
[19:10] <Riddell> davmor2: ubuntu desktop CD is fine, I wonder if KDM is crashing
[19:12] <bladernr> Riddell:  From our earlier discussion... alt-f2 does nothing.  alt-f3 DOES open a window menu, but I can't do anything with it (the VM seems VERY sluggish). GNOME worked perfectly
[19:12] <bladernr> Riddell:  kubuntu amd64 in KVM ^^
[19:13] <Riddell> bladernr: are you able to get to a linux terminal?
[19:13] <Riddell> I'm curious to know if plasma is running
[19:16] <bladernr> Riddell:  yep... plasma-desktop is running
[19:21] <Riddell> bladernr: well that's weird
[19:22] <Riddell> bladernr: what happens if you start another app?   export DISPLAY=:0; konsole
[19:22] <Riddell> ?
[19:22] <Riddell> davmor2: log is complaining about kdm timing out, I wonder if it's just sensitive to the CD being slow
[19:24] <bladernr> Riddell:  ibus errors, the last one being "no connection to ibus-daemon"
[19:24] <Riddell> davmor2: I reported bug 613574
[19:24] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 613574 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) "kdm times out on live cd (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/613574
[19:24] <Riddell> bladernr: that's fine, does it appear on the X server?
[19:24] <bladernr> nope
[19:27] <Riddell> curiouser and curiouser
[19:28] <Riddell> bladernr: is it an installed system?
[19:28] <bladernr> yes
[19:28] <bladernr> installed via alt...  let me boot the regular kubuntu image and see what happens
[19:28] <Riddell> bladernr: can you put this into ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc
[19:28] <Riddell> [Compositing]
[19:28] <Riddell> Enabled=false
[19:28] <Riddell> see if that helps?
[19:29]  * Riddell out for a bit
[19:29] <bladernr> hrmmm yeah.
[19:36] <bladernr> Riddell: with that, the KDM login box disappears after I log in, but the KDM background remains and I get no desktop at all...
[19:38] <bladernr> Riddell:  just tried the kubuntu desktop live cd and I get the same thing
[19:44] <fader_> bladernr: kubuntu alts are looking good for me under virtualbox
[19:45] <bladernr> Riddell:  actually, with the live CD, I get the blank white screen/pointer, then it cycles to a KDM login, the login box disappears after a few seconds and nada
[19:45] <bladernr> fader_:  yeah, I just HAD to go to KVM this week... but it only happens with KDE in KVM for me... Gnome is find
[19:45] <bladernr> fine
[19:45] <fader_> Hehe
[19:45] <bladernr> sigh... I should have just stuck with VBox
[19:46] <bladernr> Now I've gotta go disentangle all this KVM stuff out of my system because they can't coexist...
[19:46] <bladernr> >:-(
[19:46] <fader_> bladernr: IIRC you can just rmmod kvm and insmod whatever vbox's module is
[19:47] <fader_> vboxdrv IIRC
[19:47] <bladernr> hrmmm... I'll give that a shot...
[19:49] <bladernr> yay, fader_ is my hero
[19:49] <fader_> Aw, shucks.
[19:49] <bladernr> still gonna rm -rf kvm though...
[19:50] <bladernr> maybe...
[19:56] <davmor2> Riddell: thanks I've subbed to it give me a ping when you think you have a fix for it and I'll try it out :)
[19:58] <charlie-tca> bladernr: I have never been able to make KVM work for me. I still use VBox here
[19:59] <bladernr> yeah, I'm moving back, have VBox running now...
[20:00] <davmor2> bladernr: don't make fader_ head swell he has enough trouble getting through doors as it is
[20:00] <bladernr> davmor2:  it's not his he.... oh... nevermind... ;-)
[20:01] <charlie-tca> qa meeting time - #ubuntu-quality
[20:16] <fader_> I have a minor bug here... kubuntu OEM mode doesn't display the desktop folder on first boot but does on subsequent boots.  (Before running oem-config)
[20:16] <fader_> Any guesses as to where I should file that? :)
[20:16] <fader_> I don't *think* it's a ubiquity thing...
[20:19] <fader_> And in fact it's not, as it hits the installed user as well.  Weird.  Maybe this is expected behavior?
[20:39] <KE1HA> Hello all. For ISO-testing, what bug-tag should we use if we need to submit a correction to the test-document?
[20:40] <fader_> KE1HA: Just so I am clear on what you are asking, do you mean there is a mistake in the test case itself (rather than a bug in Ubuntu)?
[20:41] <KE1HA> rrr Yes, there's a step that happens during install that does nto appear on the test document.
[20:44] <KE1HA> In this particula case, ISO-Testing for KUB-ALT-AMD64, Debian-Installer Encrypted LVM Drive, Case ID: del-001, Im prompted for "Partition Disks" after step 8, but the test doc does not include the step. There's also a "Configure the Closk" step that is missing.
[20:45] <fader_> KE1HA: To be honest the best thing to do is to edit that document and add the missing steps yourself :)
[20:45] <fader_> KE1HA: It's on a wiki so you can create an account if you don't have one and modify the test case
[20:46] <fader_> KE1HA: If you're not willing/able to do that then you would need to file a bug, but I'm not sure against what :/
[20:46] <KE1HA> rr. Yes, I've ket a local version with the edits, but jsut wanted  to know how I shold go about gettign it updated. I should try editign the wiki I suppose. TNX fer the input.
[20:47] <fader_> KE1HA: Great, thank you!
[20:47] <fader_> I'll keep trying to figure out where to file a bug, just in case you're not able to update it :)
[20:47] <KE1HA> I'm also posintg the observations in the test comments.
[20:47] <KE1HA> This is kind of fun actually, first time I'vedone the ISO-testing.
[20:47] <sbeattie> fader: qa website is probably the closest project.
[20:47] <fader_> KE1HA: Excellent!  Thanks for helping out! :)
[20:48] <fader_> sbeattie: Yeah, that's the project I was trying to find in launchpad, thanks!
[20:48] <KE1HA> Next step is checkbox testing, will be a bit of a challange fer me on that one :-)
[20:48] <fader_> I kept trying variations on "qa wiki" instead of "website" :/
[20:48] <fader_> KE1HA: That one at least I can tell you to file bugs against the "checkbox" project ;)
[20:49] <hggdh> KE1HA: was you had requested membership in the cug-control?
[20:49] <hggdh> s/cug/bug/
[20:50] <KE1HA> yes, I subniited a request to bug-squad, but not accepted yet.
[20:50] <hggdh> bug-squad or bug-control? I have one pending for -control
[20:50] <KE1HA> Hmm, Let me look.
[20:51] <KE1HA> Bug-Squad .. maby should ahve been to bug-control ?
[20:51] <KE1HA> as Im certainly not a code developer.
[20:51] <hggdh> KE1HA (ke1ha) wants to be a member of Ubuntu Bug Control (...)
[20:52] <hggdh> KE1HA: the point is you have to follow the requirements as in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl
[20:52] <KE1HA> I just want to help with Bugs as best I can' but Im not a developer, which one should I have requested to join?
[20:52] <hggdh> initially it should be bug-squad
[20:52] <hggdh> bug-control requires experience on triaging
[20:53] <KE1HA> I "think" I followed the requirments, but maybe not. Im in Launchpad, and subscribed to the mailing list, and have signed the COC.
[20:54] <hggdh> you do (but not for bug-control). Please submit a request for bug-squad, and I will approve it
[20:54] <hggdh> KE1HA: meanwhile, I am rejecting the request for -control; when you have some bugs under your belt, please reapply
[20:56] <KE1HA> rr no problem, so to hep out with bugs I should join Bug-Squad ?
[20:56] <hggdh> yes,please. This tells us you want to help
[20:56] <hggdh> KE1HA: and: (1) you do not need to be a code developer to help; (2) THANK YOU for helping
[20:56] <KE1HA> rr, TNX, I'll go read the req's and if I run into troubles, will pop back in for assistance.
[20:57] <hggdh> KE1HA: the best place for triaging help is #ubuntu-bugs
[20:57] <KE1HA> rr. TNX
[20:57] <hggdh> welcome
[21:23] <KE1HA> hggdh, I went to https://launchpad.net/~bugsquad  and asked to join, this is the cottrect sites yes ?
[21:26] <hggdh> KE1HA: yes. we should receive an email in a few... let me check
[21:33] <hggdh> KE1HA: done
[21:43] <bladernr> anyone else seen the aubergine splash screen when booting Kubuntu ISOs? I've just booted the 32 bit one twice, and I got the aubergine color splash during boot (though it DOES boot the Kubuntu installer)
[21:43] <bladernr> ^^ the screen that says Ubuntu with the blinky dots
[21:45] <KE1HA> hggdh, TNX
[21:46] <KE1HA> bladernr, yep, saw the same thing here with the Encrypted LVM install.
[21:46] <bladernr> KE1HA:  ok... so I'm NOT going crazy (at least not today)
[21:46] <KE1HA> LOL.. well if so, we both are :-)
[21:46] <bladernr> that or we're both having the same delusion
[21:46] <bladernr> heh
[21:53] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu's splash takes over for everybody, even xubuntu
[21:58] <KE1HA> I wish it wouldn't, it's crashing my D400 i855 chipset.
[21:58] <charlie-tca> https://launchpad.net/bugs/613034
[21:58] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 613034 in xubuntu-artwork (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu splash screen is showing Ubuntu 10.10 (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[22:00] <charlie-tca> I had it against plymouth, but the devs decided it is not plymouth doing it
[22:02] <KE1HA> charlie-tca, I dont know what it is that's crashing mine D400. I tried all the i8xx work-arounds, to no avail.
[22:03] <charlie-tca> That one is harder to give answers to
[22:03] <KE1HA> I got the installer to at least go through, but then on re-boot, no joy. Will keep plugging away at it.
[22:04] <charlie-tca> hmm
[22:04] <charlie-tca> Well, I done all the testing I can do today. Good luck with the rest :-)
[22:05] <KE1HA> Yep, have a few more to complete. back to it now.
[22:35] <KE1HA> Question, when doing an OEM install, during the Username / Pssword section, does the system default to username=OEM? as it passed this section and went stright to "enter PW / Confirm PW"
[22:41] <KE1HA> NVM found the answer, it does mand the initial user OEM but it's skipping the option to Encrypt the home direcoty. I suppose that's logical.
[22:41] <KE1HA> make*
[22:53] <fader_> KE1HA: Yep, you're seeing expected behavior on the OEM setup
[22:54] <fader_> Which as you say is logical, since it's a temporary user that will be removed when the install is completed by the end user
[23:09] <KE1HA> fader_, one thing Im not seeing, once rebooted, in the top-left-corner is the Tool-Box, and Im not find a way to switch to a temporary user to prepare for oem shipment.
[23:10] <fader_> KE1HA: You shouldn't need to switch users... it should log you in as the oem user automatically
[23:10] <fader_> There should be an icon that says something like "prepare for shipping to end user"
[23:11] <KE1HA> fader_, Ahh, ok, was following the test do. Also, after doing the prepare for install, should it go back to the Install screen?
[23:12] <fader_> KE1HA: No, I believe at that point it should just act as a normal desktop until you reboot
[23:12] <fader_> After you reboot it should present you with the user setup questions
[23:12] <fader_> KE1HA: If the test case is not correct this is another one that will need updating :)
[23:12] <KE1HA> fader_, rr, it's put me back at the Install screen, which is explained in the Test-Doc. Will follow this trhough and see where it leads. RR on another updae to the test-Doc :-)
[23:13] <fader_> KE1HA: Okay, I could be wrong as I was going from (old) memory :)
[23:13] <KE1HA> rr. no worres. Will see where it goes.
[23:14]  * fader_ gives up for a while and goes to find some food.
[23:14] <fader_> Ciao!
[23:49] <KE1HA> Question: What is the fiffrence between: Alternate OEM Install and Desktop OEM Install (Ubiquity) ?