=== Anom01y is now known as Anom01y_ [00:12] n8 === _Techie_ is now known as _Techie_|_Away_ === _Techie_|_Away_ is now known as _Techie_ === _Techie_|_Away_ is now known as _Techie_ [02:52] <_Techie_> wow, #xubuntu is pretty dead today === _Techie_ is now known as _Techie_|_Away_ === _Techie_|_Away_ is now known as _Techie_ [05:34] Good night, may I ask for some help?? [05:38] just ask, don't ask to ask :-) [05:41] I have installed Xubuntu 9.10 and I only can enter in the system in recovery mode, else my screen goes black and nothing apears, not even a cursor blinking... I have tried with i915.modeset=1 and =0 and it still gives me a black screen [05:43] I don't have audio either... "codec not found" message [05:43] Are you certain you're using an Intel i915 graphics chipset? [05:44] not at all I used that because it worked in another notebook :-/ [05:45] in recovery mode do lspci | grep -i vga [05:46] it should tell the card [05:46] bowing out now in the presence of one who seems to know what he's talking about :-) [05:46] Ok I'll do it and I'll be right back with the result... please wait... [05:47] k [05:50] oops my keyboard dosen't show the vertical bar how can I copy and paste the instruction from this window? [05:51] just do lspci and look for a line with "vga" in it [05:51] try grep -i vga < lspci [05:51] well_laid_lawn: that'd take input from a file named lspci :( [05:51] don't try grep -i vga < lspci [05:51] heh [05:54] eduardo_: copy and paste on a laptop without a mouse? [05:55] sorry I have just found the bar... my keyboard is english but my setttings are in spanish, that's the language I use XD [05:56] k :] [05:56] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02) [05:56] That's the result [05:58] what does lsmod | grep intel return? [05:59] any instructions?? ---- I'll see --- sorry but I have never used linux before [06:00] eduardo@NOTEBOOKEDUARDO:~$ lsmode | grep intel [06:00] No se ha encontrado la orden «lsmode», quizás quiso decir: [06:00] La orden «lsmod» del paquete «module-init-tools» (main) [06:00] lsmode: orden no encontrada [06:00] lsmode not found [06:00] lsmod, not lsmode [06:01] it is lsmod thnx [06:01] oops [06:01] heh [06:01] hola eduardo como estas [06:01] hi man [06:01] LiSt MODules, in case you wondered [06:01] eduardo@NOTEBOOKEDUARDO:~$ lsmod | grep intel [06:01] snd_intel8x0 25588 0 [06:01] snd_ac97_codec 100646 1 snd_intel8x0 [06:01] snd_pcm 70662 3 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss [06:01] intel_agp 24119 1 [06:01] agpgart 31724 1 intel_agp [06:01] snd 54148 10 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device [06:01] snd_page_alloc 7076 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm [06:03] k - no graphics module [06:04] is that too bad?? :S [06:04] any way to get that module [06:05] was just reading my X log to find out which your card needs [06:05] the i810 module should be the one [06:08] How do I add that?? please :( I have read many forums and they talk about adding a line to the grub, but I don't dare to try all on my own, I'm just cracking my "egg shell" (if it's said so hehe) [06:09] English is not my mother tongue [06:09] tried booting without any options? [06:09] it should be fine from what i found on google [06:10] what is the laptop model? [06:13] How do I set that?? I gave the options I mentioned before the install ... the only way I know is to install again :S and select F6 no apic and write in the line at the bottom "quiet splash i915 (now it would be i810).modeset=1 or =0 [06:13] Toshiba Satellite M35X [06:14] if you don't press f6 or type anything in does it boot? [06:16] I don't understand when I boot no options are offered ... I did that on install... [06:17] k [06:17] from here - http://michaelminn.com/linux/toshiba-m35x/ - there is no X hassles so it needs those options removed [06:18] may be in a line of the grub?? [06:19] karmic uses grub 2 so it will be in /etc/default/grub iirc [06:20] on a line that starts like GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT= [06:20] I get there typing cd /etc/default/grub iirc ?? [06:20] try nano /etc/default/grub [06:21] iirc = if I recall correctly [06:22] remove the i915 stuff then ctrl+o to save and ctrl+x to exit [06:23] and run update-grub [06:23] I'll try thank you so much... I love linux and I really want to learn more ... it's so easy to do things with the proper guidance... what a quantity of help available ... wow [06:23] :] [06:26] this appears in my grub iirc GRUB_DEFAULT=0 [06:26] #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0 [06:26] GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=true [06:26] GRUB_TIMEOUT=10 [06:26] GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=`lsb_release -i -s 2> /dev/null || echo Debian` [06:26] GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" [06:26] GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="acpi=off" [06:26] # Uncomment to disable graphical terminal (grub-pc only) [06:26] #GRUB_TERMINAL=console [06:26] # The resolution used on graphical terminal [06:26] # note that you can use only modes which your graphic card supports via VBE [06:26] # you can see them in real GRUB with the command `vbeinfo' [06:26] #GRUB_GFXMODE=640x480 [06:27] ubottu: paste | eduardo_ [06:27] eduardo_: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [06:27] !paste [06:27] !paste [06:27] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [06:27] use http://paste.ubuntu.com [06:30] I'm there and I have pasted it how do I show it ?? [06:30] copy the link from the address bar [06:33] do I past the link?? [06:34] yep :] [06:34] so http:// where? [06:41] I'm back (I hope)... [06:41] :] [06:45] Do I paste the link?? from pate ubuntu.com?? [06:45] yep [06:45] http://paste.ubuntu.com/472952/ [06:46] that looks like it should look [06:47] done update-grub? [06:47] there's a warning I don't have writing permission [06:48] shouldn't need it from the recovery mode but try sudo nano /etc/default/grub [06:50] I saved the version you saw... was it ok? [06:51] yep [06:51] and updated grub with sudo update-grb [06:51] done update-grub? [06:51] k :] [06:51] try a reboot [06:51] yes I did [06:52] init 6 if I recall something on the manuals I read [06:52] just type reboot [06:52] ok thank you so much [06:53] luck :] [06:53] I hope I don't have to be in recovery mode again :) [06:53] bye [06:53] bye [08:48] howdy [10:05] How can I modify xfce menus in xubuntu? Any menu editor out there? [10:06] amanita_: What menus do you mean? [10:06] amanita_: what do you want to change? [10:06] the left click menu with all the apps etc [10:06] amanita_: the menus are generated from files in /usr/share/applications/ and ~/local/share/applications [10:06] amanita_: they are not saved anywhere [10:07] I come from Debian Lenny and there was an xfce menu editor written in GTK [10:07] it didn't work too well [10:07] and it was dropped in later versions [10:07] ah ok [10:08] amanita_: what change do you want to make? I can tell you how to do it. [10:08] Another Q. How can I boot into the CLI linux terminal without the graphical login manager. [10:08] removing xdm and gdm won't work [10:08] I want start X with startx from terminal [10:09] amanita_: you put some parameter in the gurb2 config, but I don't remember what, let me check [10:09] !nox [10:09] To start your system in text-only mode append 'text' (without the quotes) to the kernel line in the grub menu. You can access the grub menu by pressing Esc (Grub legacy) or Shift (Grub2) during boot. For more info see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions#Text%20Mode [10:09] *thumbsup* [10:09] amanita_, that^^ ? [10:09] yeah exactly [10:09] okay [10:10] Maybe spice up with vga=733. [10:10] GRUB_TERMINAL=console in /etc/default/grub [10:11] hrm let me reboot [10:17] Ok, from which application can I drag and drop gimp and other icons on my desktop [10:21] right click the desktop and select create launcher [10:22] Uh-oh I feel lame :-D [11:01] Any warning before I remove pulseaudio? [11:03] hi [11:37] how can i add apps to the panel? [11:39] nexus6__: right click on panel, "add new items", select "Launcher" [11:40] yeah but where can i find the app file? [11:40] or the app itself [11:40] ah. yeah, this is the part where linux pretty much sucks. :) [11:40] usually it's /usr/bin/applicationname [11:41] it works :) [11:42] to be honest [11:42] i really like linux/ubuntu ... but when it goes a bit more into detail i am lost [11:42] like setting up LAMP [11:43] in windows i just download... execute. here i need system links with a hardlink and and and :) [11:45] in Ubuntu you just drag items to panel [11:45] Yup. For regular use, windows and linux (these days) both do the job very good. However, for more advanced use, installing all sorts of apps and stuff, linux goes to crazy things, while windows is still manageable. Then again, for real expert stuff, linux works out better. [11:45] IMO basic use is nightmare in windows [11:45] but hardware support [11:47] does beat xubuntu windows xp on resource usage? [11:48] In many cases linux even surpasses windows in regular use. The problem is that when it fails, it gets amazingly cryptic, and dependent on weird ancient knowledge that needs to be summoned from mysterious chat channels or forums where things are written in strange and unknown languages like "bash" :) [11:48] nexus6__: with AV very propably [11:48] I'm pretty certain xubuntu uses resources a lot better than XP. [11:48] we are the wizards *sings* [11:50] Then again, I'd much rather be learning the cryptic details of linux, than trying to dig into windows. [11:50] on this pc here (its the slow one of my 2) i running xubuntu now because windows had kind of memery leaks after a time... it starts laggin after 5 houts of usage [11:50] yep lleden ... I like learning linux more than windows, meself [11:51] nexus6__: hmm... that sounds like malware (or some crappy resident program) to me. [11:51] kancerman, you really think you need to learn windows? its just using... there is not rly much to learned. no commands you need to remember and so on [11:51] how do i shutdown xubuntu without having to open a terminal? [11:52] top-right corner [11:52] that only logs me out. i want to shutdown the system [11:52] nexus6__: people are telling me all the time that i just don't can when i'm using windows [11:53] tesuji: it doesn't give you a popup to choose from? [11:53] (sorry my english at times) [11:53] on the right-top corner you have a little door.... when you press it a popup shows with different option [11:53] kancerman: yup, that's how I can put up with reading "/var/logs/Xorg.0.log" instead of opening graphical list of "Encountered window system errors" from a right click in some nice place. [11:53] sysi, that is correct. i click on it, it logs me out, no menu. 9.04 gave a menu [11:54] it should give menu, that sounds like crashing or something [11:54] your version is maybe corrupted [11:54] sysi this is a brand new install - and i have observed the same having installed it on other systems. brand new misfeature for 10.04 [11:55] i haven't seen or heard of that yet [11:55] this is my 4th install and all are the same: no shutdown menu, only a logout [11:56] nexus6__: oh, there's a lot to learn in windows too. the main distinction is, that since windows is GUI oriented you're usually very aware of the options you have to debug, while on linux GUI is mostly just a hackaround to execute commandline options, and that means you aren't very aware of stuff unless you go seraching from the internet [11:56] and it is the same whether 32bit or 64bit [11:56] nexus6__: I'm pretty sure you've managed to debug some problems on windows simply by looking through all sorts of options menus, and just didn't notice you were actually learning how the system works. [11:57] .... but I guess this isn't windows compared to linux channel, so maybe this isn't the right place to discuss this :) [11:58] if i right-click and select properties, my options are: quit, lock screen, quit+lock screen - there is not an option available for shutdown, that was a feature of versions prior to 10.04 and i really need to get it back or find some other way [11:58] yeah, -offtopic channels usually work best lleden ( sorry channel dwellers ) [11:58] well you give alot of usefull infos about the difference :) and anyway there is not much frequency on this channel [11:59] kancerman: yup, sorry, it was a spontaneous conversations. I'll be on offtopic if anyone's interested in continuing. [11:59] i got on the ##windows the other day to ask a windows ques and couldn't get a word in edgewise for 10 mins due to the arguing about linux vs windows. sheesh. do i have to see this everywhere i go? there are pros and cons to both. [11:59] Ileden: one guy was setting windows server, he said that it's more difficult, weird GUIs and no manpages, and something's wrong with every guide of microsoft [12:00] Sysi: I can answer you on #xubuntu-offtopic [12:00] tesuji: can you shut down from login screen? [12:00] sorry tesuji [12:00] sysi no [12:00] serverside windows is a nogo :) [12:00] Ileden: nah, i have thing to do actually [12:00] +s [12:00] :) [12:01] guys, i have been a diehard unix user for 30 years - and you can't tell windows lovers anything so don't even waste your time [12:01] nice division between diehard unix users and windows lovers there :D [12:02] if someone can give me a clue about this shutdoswn it would really help [12:02] (mac-users are a lot worse) [12:03] what motherboard? [12:04] i found an option to config the power button to do an orderly shutdown - good enough === _Techie_ is now known as _Techie_|_Away_ [12:04] though it feels really weird [12:05] it sound's really weird [12:05] you have installed updates? [12:05] sysi yep, everything is current [12:06] and when it comes back up the wifi doesn't work [12:08] why is it running a modem manager and how do i disable it [12:09] i can get it up on a wired connection if anyone would look at my syslog and tell me what's going on [12:09] is there a time of day to get help on this channel? [12:21] is anybody here? [12:22] my xubuntu boots with networking disabled - i have to manually enable it [12:22] I'm here, but I have no idea how to help :( [12:22] tesuji, try saving the session with networking enabled [12:23] bbl [12:26] knome, i never manuall disable it - it boots up disabled [12:26] knome how do i save the session? [12:27] what is the modem manager and where do i disable it? it's not in sysv init nor is it in upstart [12:30] geez you have to control it with dbus [13:00] hey ppl [13:00] I've made oem instal from alternate cd [13:00] and now i have no wireless ( [13:00] and no nm-applet is shown === nikolam_ is now known as nikolam [14:07] hi. I want to buy an Asus x5dij notebook. how can I verify if xubuntu 10.04 supports it ? [14:11] ping__luce, you can try http://www.ubuntuhcl.org/ [14:12] or just google "LAPTOP_NAME_AND_NUMBER ubuntu" [14:13] If it is in a store, take in a live cd and ask if you can try it [14:14] charlie-tca: yes, good idea [14:50] hello, I have xubuntu 10.04 and one small thing to change, but I don't know how: The coloration of an active vs. an inactive tab in the "Terminal" is almost undistinguishable. I like the default color theme "Albatross" pretty much, so I'd just like to know how to change this terminal-tab color, if possible. [14:50] I found the theme in /usr/share/themes/Albatross , but I have no clue what to change there. [14:51] Oh, yes, I tried using $web-search-engine-of-choice and 'man xfce4-terminal' and 'xfce4-terminal --help' to no avail [16:41] how can i modify my menu? [16:43] !menu [16:44] bash: !menu: event not found [16:44] hmm, okay, the menu does not curently have a menu editor, so let me give you the methods available [16:44] [for 4.6] copy '/etc/xdg/menus/xfce-applications.menu to '~/.config/xdg/menus' and customize it. [16:45] charlie-tca, ok then another question how can i add the terminal to the panel? [16:45] or [for 4.6] You can also create desktop entries in '~/.local/share/applications' to override the existing applications (change or hide) or add new ones. [16:45] Just right click the panel, left-click add to panel, add a launcher [16:45] The information to add terminal is in /usr/share/applications [16:46] whats the name of the terminal app? [16:48] Terminal [16:49] the command will be exo-open --launch TerminalEmulator [16:56] thanks [16:56] xubuntu is the smallest and lightest ubuntu version right? [16:56] no, lubuntu is about 30% lighter [16:57] !lubuntu [16:57] lubuntu is a project to create a derivative of Ubuntu using the LXDE desktop environment. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu [16:57] whats the biggest difference between xubuntu and lubuntu? [16:57] Xubuntu uses Xfce and Lubuntu uses Lxde [16:58] simialar to gnome and Xfce [16:58] They are different desktop environments [16:59] but core and funcitnality is the same? [17:01] I don't know. I haven't investigated Lubuntu thoroughly [17:18] can i set the interface (panels) to default? [17:19] i fucked it up :( [17:21] I think you would delete the files and start again. This should tell how - [17:21] !panels [17:21] Did your panels disappear? Press alt+f2 and run: xfce4-panel | See also: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XubuntuPanels | Want to theme your panels? See http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2007/10/12/howto-set-a-background-image-for-your-panel/ [17:21] see the help wiki entry [17:22] And, please keep your language clean [17:22] sorry :) [17:30] Hi, is there any lightweight music/movie player for xfce? [17:30] parole is good for both, I think. There is also exaile for music [17:31] parole? No such a package. [17:32] Xubuntu version? [17:32] yes [17:32] What is your version of Xubuntu? [17:32] I use 10.4 [17:32] !info parole [17:32] Package parole does not exist in lucid [17:32] Somehow xfmedia won't work [17:33] xfmedia is broken, not maintained, as far as I know [17:33] What about totem? [17:33] My last chance [17:33] Probably the lightest movie player, if it works for you [17:33] Hrm, vlc+ audacious maybe [17:34] not light, though [17:34] Yeah, not very light [17:34] I use vlc myself, but it is big [17:35] I use Real Player [17:35] But it is only available in Medibuntu [17:36] Hrm, vlc uses qt, pah [17:36] Well, you need the codecs from there anyway [17:37] Is there any webcam viewer for Xubuntu [17:37] luvcview won't work ... Don't know why [17:37] None specific to Xfce [17:37] !webcam [17:37] Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras [17:37] might work [17:38] !xfce menu [17:38] no menu editor in xfce 4.6 [17:38] Yeah, I need one badly though. [17:38] I use no panels at all, only the right-click menu [17:39] painful, then, to change it [17:40] [for 4.6] You can also create desktop entries in '~/.local/share/applications' to override the existing applications (change or hide) or add new ones. [17:40] or copy '/etc/xdg/menus/xfce-applications.menu to '~/.config/xdg/menus' and customize it. [17:40] either way, the change will show up in the menu [17:40] sound like a happy hacking [17:41] yup [17:42] !ocp [17:42] !opencubicplayer [17:42] !info opencubicplayer [17:42] opencubicplayer (source: ocp): UNIX port of Open Cubic Player. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.1.17-2 (lucid), package size 697 kB, installed size 1992 kB [17:43] Now, that is my fav player [17:46] ocp made for cyrix and I486 processors to play music [17:46] It play everything from sid to flac [17:51] !pdf [17:51] pdf is the Portable Document Format created by Adobe; viewable in GNU/Linux with xpdf/kpdf/okular/evince, and also adobe reader (free download, but closed source) [17:51] !info acroread [17:51] Package acroread does not exist in lucid [17:51] !info evince [17:51] evince (source: evince): Document (postscript, pdf) viewer. In component main, is optional. Version 2.30.3-0ubuntu1.1 (lucid), package size 449 kB, installed size 6368 kB [17:51] ^^^ [17:52] !info mocka [17:52] Package mocka does not exist in lucid [17:55] well [17:55] looks like there isn't Adobe Reader in repository anymore [17:56] I've never heard about Adobe software in ubuntu (except the flash plugin) [17:56] it's pretty horrible [17:56] I have Adobe Reader .deb for karmic [17:57] !info xpdf [17:57] xpdf (source: xpdf): Portable Document Format (PDF) suite. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.02-2ubuntu1 (lucid), package size 1 kB, installed size 36 kB [17:57] Evince is fine for watching pdf [17:58] Will try [17:58] I need to reboot, kernel upgrade [18:08] Black_Prince: any luck with your kernel? [18:08] All working [18:08] I installed today Ubuntu 10.04 [18:08] Was using 9.10 [18:09] Xubuntu, not Ubuntu [18:09] !sudo [18:09] sudo is a command to run command-line programs with superuser privileges ("root") (also see !cli ) . Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. For graphical applications see !gksu (Gnome, XFCE), or !kdesudo (KDE). If you're unable to execute commands with sudo see: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo [18:12] How can I mount cdroms with style when I inster the disc? [18:12] Now I mount them sudo mount blabla as root [18:14] sudo is needed to mount [18:15] I came from Debian lenny and there was no hassle at all, just insert the cd and tada, I used xfce of course [18:15] A cd-rom icon appeared on my desktop after insterting the disc [18:15] Well when I insert CD it gets auto mounted and opened [18:15] yeah, I think it is issues with the change from fstab to udev that causes it now [18:16] it will get fixed again in the future [18:16] By me it works [18:17] Well, at least for one drive [18:19] Hrm, back to the stone age [18:19] Weird, DVD-RAM drive auto mounts disc, and DVD-ROM won't [18:20] !fuse [18:20] FUSE (Filesystem in Userspace) is a !kernel driver that allows non-root users to create their own filesystems. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_in_Userspace for more on FUSE. Some examples of filesystems that use FUSE are !ntfs-3g, sshfs and isofs. A full list of Filesystems that use FUSE is here: http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/FileSystems [18:20] * charlie-tca thinks "Never say it does work, instead we use 'should work'" [18:22] Let's try adding a line to fstab [18:25] hrm at least I can mount as a simple user [18:46] !info xine [18:46] Package xine does not exist in lucid [18:46] !xine [18:47] Is there connection sharing in Ubuntu? [18:48] I remember when I used Xubuntu 9.10 I just configured static wired connection and I had connection on other PC [18:49] !connectionsharing [18:49] Can't remember what it is called [18:50] Every kind of video goes black in totem if I move around the window it begins to flicker than I can see parts of the movie [18:52] Huh, compsitor and drop shadows makes my video playback blank [18:58] I dont know what am I doing wrong [19:05] Are you using ssh? [19:05] !inetsharing [19:05] If you want to share the internet connection of your ubuntu machine with other machines in the network see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetConnectionSharing - You may also use !firestarter: http://www.fs-security.com/docs/connection-sharing.php [19:05] It's too complicated [19:05] I don't have time for it [19:06] On other PC is Ubuntu Server [19:13] Is there anything wrong? [19:13] http://paste.ubuntu.com/473198/ [19:41] hi === _Techie_|_Away_ is now known as _Techie_ === _Techie_ is now known as _Techie_|_Away_ === _Techie_|_Away_ is now known as _Techie_ [22:54] n8