[08:51] <thorwil> does the application title ("Rhythmbox") in the new sound indicator menu have an action, or is it just a label?
[08:58] <klattimer> bratsche: I heard you fixed a bunch of bugs in indicators and the fixes are around somewhere it would probably be a good idea if I can test some things with them
[08:59] <klattimer> there's a bunch of bugs which I think might be fixed but it's almost impossible to tell
[08:59] <klattimer> this is the gtkmenu related stuff I think
[09:05] <vish> thorwil: it brings up rhythmbox
[09:06] <klattimer> is there a ppa I *should* be using?
[09:06] <thorwil> vish: good. that's what i would have proposed, otherwise. but i guess the track info is "dead"?
[09:06] <klattimer> hi mpt did you get my suggestions regarding ibus?
[09:06] <klattimer> have a chance to peruse them yet
[09:07] <vish> thorwil: yeah , the track does nothing..
[09:08] <mpt> klattimer, looking
[09:25] <seb128> klattimer, hey
[09:26] <seb128> klattimer, bratsche is probably sleeping right now, it's middle of his night, he should be up in some hours
[09:26] <seb128> klattimer, I don't think there is a ppa you should be using if you are on maverick no
[09:27] <klattimer> k
[09:27] <klattimer> right
[09:27] <seb128> maybe start on some other bugs until bratsche get up
[09:27] <klattimer> need to wait for the fixes made to gtk to come down then?
[09:27] <klattimer> yeah well, I've got a bunch of things i'm looking at
[09:28] <seb128> I would like to clarify with him and ted what's the status on those bugs as well
[09:28] <klattimer> but it's hard to see what's going to still be a problem after
[09:28] <seb128> let's grab them when they wake up later on
[09:28] <klattimer> :)
[09:28] <seb128> well you can probably work on the rhythmbox ctrl-W for example meanwhile I guess
[09:29] <seb128> davidbarth, did you review your team bugs to assign some extra ones to klattimer?
[09:50] <davidbarth> seb128: i've assigned him the keyboard indicator work, but no did not assign more than that
[09:51] <klattimer> I'm currently looking at the keyboard indicator stuff
[09:51] <seb128> davidbarth, I though that one was blocked on appindicator to support labels?
[09:51] <klattimer> I should really mark it in progress
[09:51] <seb128> we had a patch for it last cycle
[09:51] <seb128> did you read my comment on the bug?
[09:52] <klattimer> yeha
[09:52] <klattimer> just reading through the patch
[10:06] <mpt> klattimer, just replied.
[10:06] <klattimer> cool
[10:08] <klattimer> mpt: you seem to have missed the ibus related email I sent, with the attachment of filenames which would need themed icons
[10:09] <mpt> klattimer, I'm a user interface designer.
[10:09] <klattimer> oh... you filed it in 'i don't care'
[10:09] <klattimer> ?
[10:10] <klattimer> the question is about getting the art done I suppose
[10:10] <mpt> Sometimes I can tell which technical architecture is more likely to produce a good result, but I'm not an API designer or anything.
[10:10] <klattimer> if we get the art done, the code is fine
[10:10] <mpt> (The one time I did design an API, it was one that hopefully will never be implemented.;-)
[10:10] <klattimer> but it's pointless to do the code without the art
[10:11] <mpt> Ok, so if you want art organized, ivanka is the person to ask
[10:11] <klattimer> right
[10:11] <klattimer> I'll dig out the email and forward it
[10:11] <mpt> thanks
[10:12] <ivanka> mpt: what do I need to organise?
[10:12] <klattimer> ivanka: email address I'll send it over
[10:12] <klattimer> art for ibus icons
[10:12] <klattimer> currently they're ugly
[10:13] <ivanka> klattimer: ivanka@canonical.com
[10:13] <klattimer> and not styleable,
[10:14] <mpt> ivanka, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KeyboardMenu#Icons%20for%20layouts%20and%20input%20methods
[10:20] <didrocks> ivanka: hey, who in your team should contact the telepathy guys for unity integration you talk to at GUADEC? was it done?
[10:21] <klattimer> sent
[10:23] <ivanka> didrocks: I was thinking David Siegel but he is at a sprint this week
[10:50] <klattimer> mpt: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgnomekbd/+bug/546240 appears to conflict with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KeyboardMenu#Icons%20for%20layouts%20and%20input%20methods
[10:51] <mpt> klattimer, hence, "(This algorithm needs experimental work from a designer and programmer working together.)" :-) Hi, I'm a designer, you're a programmer.
[10:52] <mpt> klattimer, so, I didn't realize that it was as simple as XX, XX2, XX3
[10:53] <mpt> klattimer, where do the actual letters come from? Are they recorded for each layout, or are they generated at runtime?
[10:55] <mpt> (I have "USA2" in my panel right now, but I had assumed that was pre-recorded)
[11:01] <klattimer> well, I think they're tied into what's shown in the keyboard layouts
[11:01] <klattimer> so probably generated at runtime
[11:01] <klattimer> e.g. if you reorder them then the numbering changes
[11:09] <klattimer> mpt: the previous assumption I made is not quite correct...
[11:10] <mpt> klattimer, the one about the letters, or the one about the numbering?
[11:10] <klattimer> it appears the whole order of the list and the connection between the current item and the displayed label become incoherent
[11:10] <klattimer> when you re-order them
[11:10] <klattimer> :(
[11:10] <mpt> Welcome to X keyboard hell
[11:10] <klattimer> e.g. I have USA and UK mac and UK added
[11:11] <klattimer> if I reorder them USA becomes UK and UK mac and UK stay the same
[11:11] <klattimer> but the label USA is tied to the UK layout
[11:11] <klattimer> ...
[11:11] <klattimer> oh dear :/
[11:12] <klattimer> but anyway if I log out and back in, they layout numbering changes after a reordering
[11:12] <mpt> heh
[11:13] <klattimer> so it is generated on the fly
[11:13] <klattimer> so in theory what we want is to be able to overlay the text atop an icon
[11:13] <klattimer> ... this will be hard because of the colours of the underlying icon
[11:13] <klattimer> maybe a 0.5px stroke is necessary to create a visual separation
[11:14] <mpt> klattimer, what I suggest is just a plain color rectangle (using the text color), with the text overlaid in the panel color. E.g. in Ambiance it would be black letters on a white background.
[11:15] <mpt> Meanwhile: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KeyboardMenu?action=diff&rev2=10&rev1=9
[11:54] <ivanka> hi Vish
[11:55] <vish> ivanka: hey
[11:55] <ivanka> vish: how's things?
[11:55] <vish> ivanka: going fine , sorta :)
[11:56] <vish> ivanka: looks like we are about to hit 50 bugs fixed for this cycle and there are around 20 fix committed
[11:57] <vish> we need to get them uploaded before UIF ..
[12:09] <vish> yup 51 !
[12:13] <klattimer> davidbarth: just responded to your email
[12:13] <klattimer> I really think we can do this :D
[12:22]  * thorwil first replies to sender, not list, then replies on list to the wrong message. sometimes the user is the problem
[12:58] <davidbarth> mpt: the "symbol containing 2 symbols" is too custom for a generic protocol like app-indicator; and we're not going to do arbitrary icons that we can't style
[12:59] <davidbarth> mpt: but klattimer suggestion to have an inverted rendering for the label sounds more generic
[12:59] <davidbarth> mpt: could you get otto to check the style for that inverted flag: boundaries, padding constraints; what to do when the indicator is selected with the mouse, etc.?
[13:00] <klattimer> davidbarth: it was mpt's suggestion, I was just wanting to clarify
[13:00] <mpt> davidbarth, those same icons need to be used for the items inside the menu, too. If you fake them using labels in the title, you won't be able to replicate them easily inside the menu.
[13:01] <davidbarth> then, why we don't pre-generate them?
[13:01] <mpt> davidbarth, that's fine by me. The only drawback is that they wouldn't follow the theme font, but that'd hardly be noticable.
[13:03] <davidbarth> mpt: yeah, anyway they're a bit special, the label is meant to represent somehing "keyboard", not necessarily identical as what you display on the screen
[13:03] <davidbarth> as -> to
[13:03] <klattimer> mpt there isn't a menu currently for keyboard indicator
[13:03] <klattimer> click it and it changes
[13:03] <klattimer> or well, there is a right click menu
[13:03] <klattimer> dur,,, missed that
[13:03] <davidbarth> klattimer: then you can apply the standard guildeines
[13:03] <davidbarth> for porting app. indicators
[13:04] <klattimer> however there are no icons in the menu at all
[13:04] <davidbarth> ie, turn the toggle behavior into a menu option
[13:04] <mpt> davidbarth, sorry, I don't understand
[13:04] <davidbarth> i'm sure it's on the app. indicator page
[13:05] <davidbarth> mpt: i meant, the font used to represent "keys" that this keyboard indicator represents doesn't necessariliy have to be the same as the font used to "print" text on the display
[13:05] <davidbarth> mpt: they are "semantically" different to me
[13:05] <davidbarth> one is the font used for "output", while the keyboard indicator could use a distinct font to represent elements that are related to the input system
[13:06] <davidbarth> or more simply
[13:06] <davidbarth> the font used for physical labels on your keyboard is usually different from the font you're using on your screen, at least the size is different, if not the font itself
[13:07] <klattimer> davidbarth: you've lost me too
[13:16] <LaserJock> if I remove the Me & Messaging menus is there any harm done to indicator-session or notifications?
[13:23] <mpt> davidbarth, exactly, it's not important that it be the same font.
[13:38] <bratsche> Hey klattimer
[13:38] <klattimer> hey
[13:38] <bratsche> How's it going dude?
[13:38] <klattimer> hanging in there :)
[13:39] <klattimer> was wondering when these gtkmenu fixes are likely to land in maverick
[13:39] <bratsche> Which fixes are these?
[13:39] <klattimer> it's making testing a lot harder not knowing what does work and what doesn't
[13:39] <klattimer> various signal issues related to bluetooth and others
[13:40] <bratsche> Oh right.. I think sense made this patch yesterday.
[13:40] <sense> Any problems?
[13:40] <bratsche> https://code.launchpad.net/~sense/gtk/ubuntu/+merge/31617
[13:41] <bratsche> No, I think we just need to get it into a place where klattimer can use it.  So we need to get it into a PPA until we can get it in Meerkat.
[13:42] <bratsche> seb128, can we put this in the desktop PPA since that's where you were putting my other patches?
[13:43] <seb128> hey bratsche
[13:43] <seb128> yes, sure
[13:43] <sense> good
[13:43] <seb128> bratsche, does anybody plan to try to get that one upstream?
[13:43] <seb128> sense, thanks for your work on that
[13:43] <seb128> does it fix any current open bug? just for changelog reference
[13:44] <sense> seb128: You're welcome!
[13:44] <bratsche> Since it's menu related maybe it would be better if someone other than me tries. :)
[13:44] <sense> seb128: it partially fixes the bug that prevented me from writing an AppInd for Deluge.
[13:44] <seb128> the bug is listed on the review page so ignore that question ;-)
[13:44] <sense> good
[13:44] <sense> seb128: next step is to fix the AppInd part: i.e. make it use the correct signal
[13:44] <seb128> sense, since you wrote it, can you send it to GNOME as well?
[13:45] <sense> seb128: Sure.
[13:45] <seb128> thanks
[13:45] <sense> I hope to be able to fix the AppInd part of the bug today as well, so klattimer has actually something working.
[13:45] <seb128> nice
[13:45] <sense> tomorrow morning I'll be leaving for a two weeks holiday, you see. ;)
[13:46] <seb128> enjoy your holidays!
[13:46] <sense> thanks
[13:46] <bratsche> Nice.
[13:47] <bratsche> sense: I'd recommend not linking up to Ubuntu bugs when you file it upstream.
[13:47] <sense> bratsche: Why?
[13:47] <bratsche> Just post a bug saying you want to be able to find out when submenus are being attached and add a patch.
[13:47] <sense> ok
[13:47] <bratsche> sense: Just my experience in posting bugs to upstream since I joined Canonical. :)
[13:48] <sense> aw
[13:48] <sense> Will do it!
[13:48] <bratsche> You can do it however you like, this is just my suggestion. :)
[13:50] <klattimer> well this all sounds dandy
[13:51] <klattimer> what's the ppa address?
[13:51] <bratsche> I think it's this one: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa
[15:56] <Cimi_> MacSlow: raico blur rocks ;)
[15:56] <Cimi_> I'm adding blur capabilities in murrine
[15:56] <Cimi_> the new theme will rock
[15:57] <MacSlow> Cimi_, the power of OpenSource :)))
[15:57] <MacSlow> Cimi_, glad you like it!
[15:57] <bratsche> Cimi_: Do you have the desktop PPA installed?
[15:57] <Cimi_> bratsche: I'm in lucid now
[17:35] <davidbarth> klattimer: hey, is all clarified btw now on app. indicator? ie the pre-generation of icons (for both radiance and ambiance btw)?
[17:35] <davidbarth> klattimer: ping me if there is still something that is blocking
[17:35] <sense> jcastro: I won't be able to finish the bug. I'm stuck at the segfault issue and have a few other things I want to do today. I've attached the code I've got so far to bug #608219 and bug #584669, together with some instructions.
[17:35] <davidbarth> klattimer: i haven't been able to triage more tasks for you today yet
[17:38] <jcastro> sense: ok I'll send those along to klattimer
[17:38] <jcastro> thanks for your work on them!
[17:39] <sense> Thank you for looking after them!
[17:40] <jcastro> davidbarth: is there a group I can be put in to enable assigning bugs to klattimer for ayatana-related gear?
[17:40] <jcastro> that way I don't have to ask you for each one
[18:09] <davidbarth> jcastro: let me check that, but yeah, that'd be cool, because i'm sprinting this week, and next week as well so that won't really help