[00:40] <micahg> bac: the PPA builders seem to have an issue picking up builds
[00:53] <spm> micahg: they look happy to me atm? what leads you to believe things aren't well?
[00:54] <micahg> spm: ah, so they do, almost all the PPA builders were idle
[00:54] <spm> ahh *that* one. right. lovely.
[00:54] <micahg> spm: I saw some notes in from lp-dev list that says that might go away soon
[00:55] <spm> I'd believe it. I know jules gets even more irritated by these then we all do :-)
[01:15] <Sia-> hi
[01:15] <Sia-> any one from roseta her?
[01:16] <Sia-> i need to upload .po but does n't accepted :(
[04:04] <russ> hello, is there any way to get help with a login problem for a paid canonical support contract?
[04:05] <lifeless> I'm sure there is
[04:05] <lifeless> lets see
[04:06] <lifeless> I've just pinged our support department , should get someone to pop in here and give you a hand soon
[04:06] <lifeless> have you tried ringing the helpdesk?
[04:07] <russ> It appears they won't return my call.
[04:07] <lifeless> thats most unusual
[04:08] <russ> One would think they might make an exception about the "core support hours" BS for a new user who can't even access the online system
[04:09] <lifeless> please tell me what has been happening
[04:10] <russ> ok here is the situation
[04:10] <russ> I bought a ubuntu desktop support contract 2 days ago
[04:11] <russ> I received a "Welcome to Canonical Global Support Services" email immediately
[04:11] <russ> it made reference to an "invitation email" that I did not receive
[04:12] <russ> (at this point, I should mention I formerly had a support contract that expired last year)
[04:12] <russ> I sent a note back to the person named in the welcome message and she gave me alternate instructions
[04:13] <russ> but ... when I go to landscape.canonical.com I am redirected to landscape.canonical.com/complete-new-user and after entering my information, I get a response "Person with that email already exists."
[04:13] <russ> that sums it up
[04:13] <lifeless> and with the phone call thing, whats happening there?
[04:14] <russ> I get a message that says they are too busy to come to the phone, and to save me long distance charges (calling their toll-free number), please leave a message.
[04:15] <russ> And then pointing out that if my support contract is not a 24/7 account and it's after hours, they will not call back
[04:15] <russ> so far, that's the truth - I called about 3 hours ago
[04:16] <lifeless> ok
[04:16] <russ> The person I corresponded with is Nelia de Carvalho
[04:17] <lifeless> please bear with me a couple of minutes
[04:17] <lifeless> its rather late in Montreal
[04:17] <russ> aha
[04:17] <russ> it'sa global operation and I never know where any of these people are
[04:17] <russ> but it's also rather early in England
[04:18] <lifeless> as far as I know, support are still all in Montreal, using on-call and rotations to cover customers around the world
[04:18] <russ> do you work for Canonical?
[04:19] <lifeless> yes
[04:19] <russ> nice to be able to get you "live" then - where are you?
[04:20] <lifeless> me, I live in New Zeaand
[04:20] <russ> excellent
[04:21] <russ> I guess a phone call is out of the question then :-)
[04:22] <lifeless> well, I don't know anything about the mechanics of the system you're having trouble logging into
[04:22] <russ> by any chance is there an irc channel that connects with the support staff?
[04:22] <lifeless> so I'm currently looking through our internal wiki to see if I can find someone a) awake, and b) knowledgable that can help you
[04:23] <russ> excellent, guess we need both a and b
[04:24] <lifeless> what tz are you in ?
[04:25] <russ> interesting question. The true fact is that I am in California.
[04:25] <russ> but I'd rather be in New Zealand (at least for my support hours!)
[04:28] <lifeless> so, if I can't find someone soon, I will have run out of reasonable options : AIUI desktop contracts are not 24x7 contracts, so it would be unreasonable for me to ring the on-call person directly; I want to help you get logged in, but - as above I can't directly help with that.
[04:31] <russ> thank you for trying
[04:31] <russ> now to the point of what is reasonable:
[04:32] <russ> I think it would be reasonable for the on-call person to help with this problem since I have not been able to gain access to any part of the service I purchased and presumably the clock is ticking
[04:33] <russ> second, with my previous contract, I had Canonical's explicit agreement that I could make my 8 core support hours start at 5 pm and run to 1 am
[04:33] <lifeless> have you mentioned that in the message you left on the support voice mail ?
[04:34] <lifeless> I would imagine it to have carried over on your account in fact; and we don't know why they have not called you back.
[04:35] <russ> no i did not, but on the other hand I am still trying to get that point straightened out
[04:35] <lifeless> If I can make a suggestion.
[04:35] <russ> certainly - ?
[04:35] <lifeless> Leave another message, and include that detail - that you're a returning customer with an agreed variation on 'standard hours'.
[04:36] <lifeless> There may be someone around in an hour or so who can shed some light on why you didn't get that meail
[04:36] <russ> That's a good idea. I will do that.
[04:36] <russ> Have you heard of such a deviation before?
[04:37] <lifeless> we're making a guess about why you haven't heard back from them, and the guess could be wrong - but its worth addressing that point in case the guess is right.
[04:37] <russ> I agree.
[04:37] <lifeless> on when the standard hours are? No, but that doesn't mean anything, as I'm not in the support department - I don't hear *anything* :)
[04:38] <mwhudson> i /think/ it's part of the deal to get to decide when your own core hours are -- imagine a customer based in nz! -- but i'm not in the support group either...
[04:39]  * thumper agrees with y'all
[04:40] <ajmitch> though it's not like there are actually people in NZ, right?
[04:40] <lifeless> nobody here but us chickens
[04:42] <russ> lifeless I just left a message on the support line as you suggested. We shall see.
[04:43] <mwhudson> ajmitch: one hear's rumours
[04:43] <mwhudson> man
[04:43] <mwhudson> how did that apostrophe get there
[04:43] <lifeless> russ: I'm popping out to my local supermarket, but I'll be back before long and am keen to know if you get a callback.
[04:43] <thumper> mwhudson: muscle memory
[04:44] <russ> ok thanks for your help and I will be sure to post a message if I get a call
[04:45] <russ> apostrophes turn up in the weirdest places
[04:54] <sensae> Hello. I'm trying to move a project from github to launchpad. It's fully imported. Is there any way I can create series milestones and assign them to old releases?
[04:56] <thumper> sensae: probably not automagically
[04:56] <sensae> thumper: I only have about 4 point releases, I'm trying to do it by hand but I'm still figuring out launchpad.
[04:57] <thumper> sensae: release management isn't something I have a lot of experience with
[04:57] <thumper> sensae: releases and milestones are connected to series
[04:57] <thumper> sensae: the project will have a 'trunk' series initially
[04:57] <thumper> sensae: do you want your releases of 'trunk' or something else?
[04:58] <thumper> sensae: 'trunk' is the development focus
[04:58] <sensae> thumper: I've already pushed two branches, trunk and unstable, and created two series, trunk for stable releases and unstable for development
[04:59] <thumper> sensae: ok, is unstable set as the development focus?
[04:59] <thumper> sensae: which project?
[04:59] <sensae> thumper: yes, https://launchpad.net/munchlife
[05:00] <thumper> sensae: if you go to  https://launchpad.net/munchlife/stable
[05:01] <thumper> sensae: scroll down slightly, there is create milestone and create release
[05:03] <sensae> thumper: Are milestones tied to a specific revision when you 'release' them, or is it just a loose target to assign bugs and blueprints to?
[05:04] <thumper> relatively loose right now
[05:06] <sensae> thumper: Ah. Thanks for the help. Launchpad seems rather.. unique in the series/milestone approach.
[05:07] <thumper> :)
[05:09] <michaelh1> Afternoon.  How can I get all of the bug_tasks, open or closed, on a project using launchpadlib?
[05:10] <michaelh1> project.searchTasks() is OK, but what should I supply for the status parameter to get all bugs ever?
[05:10] <wgrant> michaelh1: use the 'searchTasks' method, and give the list of all statuses.
[05:11] <wgrant> michaelh1: Also note that duplicate bugs are omitted by default; you'll need to say omit_duplicates=False
[05:12] <michaelh1> What should I use for the list of all statuses?  I currently have 'all = "New, Incomplete (with response), Incomplete (without response), Incomplete, Opinion, Invalid, Won't Fix, Expired, Confirmed, Triaged, In Progress, Fix Committed, Fix Released".split(', ')
[05:12] <michaelh1> ...but that's fragile
[05:13] <wgrant> I'm not sure there's a better way at the moment.
[05:13] <wgrant> There should probably be a bug for that./
[05:20] <michaelh1> LP 613713
[05:20] <michaelh1> Ta.
[05:21] <michaelh1> Is there a way of forcing launchpadlib to use HTTP?  I'm doing a lot of queries and running into LP 522957
[05:21] <michaelh1> HTTP might establish quicker than HTTPS...
[05:21] <wgrant> Launchpad will just redirect you to HTTPS if you try that.
[05:22] <michaelh1> Ah :)  I thought it might
[05:25] <sensae> How can I compare two branches to see where the commits differ?
[05:25] <thumper> sensae: bzr help missing
[05:27] <sensae> thumper: thanks
[05:35] <sensae> This is odd. I've created three milestones, but on this page https://launchpad.net/munchlife/stable it lists 1.0 three times. When I click "View milestones" it shows the three different milestones properly
[05:45] <sensae> Is this a bug?
[05:45] <wgrant> It is indeed a bug.
[05:45] <wgrant> It looks fine for me, so it's probably a caching issue specific to your user.
[05:45] <sensae> Ah alright, I just won't worry about it.
[05:51] <wgrant> sensae: If you refresh the page, do you now see 6 of the 1.0 milestone?
[05:54] <sensae> wgrant: Yup.
[05:56] <sensae> wgrant: Logging out it displayed properly. Logging back in it's the same.
[05:57] <wgrant> sensae: Yeah, it should magically be fine again in about 40 minutes.
[05:57] <wgrant> When the cache expires.
[05:57] <wgrant> I am trying to track down the bug now.
[05:57] <sensae> wgrant: lol alright.
[05:58] <sensae> Launchpad takes some getting used to, but I kind of like the looser 'milestone/series' paradigm vs working in github.
[05:59] <lifeless> what does github require ?
[06:00] <wgrant> sensae: Can you upload a screenshot somewhere?
[06:01] <sensae> lifeless: You can't really make arbitrary milestones and releases, they're just tied to tags.
[06:01] <sensae> wgrant: sure
[06:04] <sensae> wgrant: http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/7619/screenshotseriesstablem.png
[06:04] <wgrant> sensae: Thanks.
[06:04] <sensae> wgrant: np
[06:12] <MTecknology> Is there a limit to how much you can pull/push branches?
[06:17] <lifeless> yes
[06:17] <lifeless> your bandwidth
[06:18] <lifeless> we cannae break the laws of physics
[06:46] <russ> lifeless just wanted to let you know I did not get a call back from the Canonical support team.  It's been more than two hours now.
[06:47] <lifeless> russ: thanks, I've just sent an email off to the support team lead, so they will know about it when they get up
[06:57] <russ> lifeless thanks. I may have to take a day off of work because of this unreasonable support hours position taken by Canonical.
[06:59] <lifeless> russ: we don't know the cause - It may be as simple as having a problem with your phone number.
[07:00] <lifeless> russ: neverthess, I sure hope they make contact with you soon
[07:57] <StarQuake> hello, just wanted to let you know the staging server isn't working since yesterday evening
[08:07] <spm> StarQuake: ta; it's had some pretty major updates lately; and is currently doing a staging-restore. with any luck it should live again in the 15-45 minutes.
[08:07] <spm> in the *next* 15-45...
[08:08] <StarQuake> spm, okay thanks!!
[09:25] <Sia-> hello no body is her
[09:25] <Sia-> i'm waiting 3 dayes for approval our .po file
[09:26] <Sia-> if you r so ... to answer the people why you host the translation groups
[09:27] <Sia-> helooooo
[09:29] <henninge> Easy, Sia-
[09:29] <henninge> insulting people you don't know won't get you anywhere in live
[09:29] <henninge> and insulting people you *do* know is even worse ...
[09:29] <Sia-> henninge, srry, but i have the same theater with your import system every new version from wordpress
[09:30] <henninge> Sia-: Then something needs to be fixed about them because approval should not be needed every time again.
[09:30] <Sia-> no
[09:30] <Sia-> because the po is not created by launchpad
[09:31] <Sia-> is created by http://translate.wordpress.org
[09:31] <henninge> Sia-: Which are the imports you are talking about?
[09:31] <Sia-> wordpress
[09:31] <henninge> Sia-: can you copy the URL to make sure wer are looking at the same thing?
[09:31] <Sia-> http://translate.wordpress.org/projects/wp/3.0.x/ckb/default
[09:32] <Sia-> the .po file is downloaded and i'll upload it her https://translations.launchpad.net/wordpress/3.0/+pots/wordpress/ckb/+upload
[09:33] <henninge> Sia-: I'll look at it in a minute
[09:33] <Sia-> ok i upload it now agian
[09:33] <Sia-> again*
[09:36] <Sia-> henninge, https://translations.launchpad.net/wordpress/3.0/+imports
[09:36] <henninge> Sia-: wait till I have looked at it. I am in a phone call atm.
[09:36] <Sia-> ok thnx
[10:14] <Sia-> henninge, as i said i receive again iport problem with the same story
[10:19] <hrw> hi
[10:20] <hrw> Blueprint page can have bugs linked and I make a use of it. But there is no sign of bug status there so I have to check all >20 bugs one by one or remember their status. Does it have a sense to report wishlist bug for it?
[10:23] <henninge> Sia-: Sorry, call was longer than expected. Looking now.
[10:25] <Sia-> henninge, thnx but how can i now is imported because i receive import error
[10:26] <Sia-> now ==know
[10:29] <henninge> Sia-: you said you downloaded this file from Launchpad, then worked on it, now you want to upload it again, right?
[10:30] <Sia-> downloaded from translate.wordpress.org
[10:30] <henninge> Ah
[10:31] <henninge> Sia-: The current error "File was not exported from Launchpad." is because you did not choose "Imported translation" when you uploaded the file.
[10:31] <Sia-> ok should try again?
[10:31] <henninge> Yes, please.
[10:32] <Sia-> henninge, done
[10:34] <henninge> jtv: shouldn't the gardner approve an import like this? https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/wordpress/3.0/+imports
[10:34] <henninge> jtv: or does it trip on the file name?
[10:34] <jtv> henninge: the gardener's having a problem at the moment.
[10:35] <henninge> jtv: but should it approve it normally?
[10:35] <jtv> henninge: it's one of those cases where setting the potemplate or a pofile for an entry makes it clash with an older entry that already has the potemplate or pofile set (and to the same value).
[10:35] <jtv> henninge: that one is auto-approved only if the upload's path matches the existing POFile path (which we can't edit anywhere in the UI).
[10:35] <henninge> jtv: is it? There aren't any other files in the queue.
[10:36] <jtv> Oh, or if it's uploaded to the right POFile.
[10:36] <henninge> jtv: it is AFAICT
[10:37] <jtv> henninge: actually, uploading to the right POFile should set the template/language but probably not the state.
[10:37] <henninge> jtv: yes, that's all that happens at upload time. But as we have that information, shouldn't it be happily approved automatically?
[10:38] <henninge> by the gardener?
[10:38] <jtv> henninge: only if the pofile matches
[10:38] <jtv> wow, frightening storm starting here
[10:38] <jtv> I may lose power/connectivity
[10:38] <henninge> "pofile path"
[10:38] <jtv> Dark as Mordor
[10:38] <henninge> ooooo
[10:39] <henninge> jtv: you mean "if the pofile *path* matches" ?
[10:40] <henninge> Sia-: I can approve the uplaod easily, I am just trying to figure out why it is not happening automatically.
[10:40] <Sia-> ok thnx
[10:42] <jtv> henninge: yes, in this case, the upload's path must match exactly that which is stored in the POFile I think.
[10:43] <henninge> jtv: yes, that would explain it. I'll find out what that file name is.
[10:49] <jtv> henninge: bit busy tying stuff down… some furniture tried to go over the edge here.  If I hurry I can probably still recover some stuff that fell off.
[10:50] <jtv> It's in the street—on the wrong side of the building.  Wet walk.  :(
[10:50] <henninge> Good luck, jtv!
[10:50] <Sia-> ok approved?
[10:55] <jtv> henninge: back, and back to looking at the buildfarm issue :)
[10:56] <henninge> Sia-: yes, approved ;)
[10:56] <Sia-> thnx alot
[11:00] <Sia-> i see in the list 1 item need review from me, but can't click it or is no more this option need review in the dropdown list
[11:03] <henninge> Sia-: What do you mean? It says "Approved" for me.
[11:47] <LucidFox> How long does it usually take for new Launchpad mailing lists to get into service?
[11:47] <LucidFox> I created one and it got approved, but its archive page displays an empty Apache index
[11:48] <maxb> LucidFox: when the first email happens
[11:50] <LucidFox> Ah, makes sense
[11:51] <LucidFox> Right, it happened!
[11:55] <esteve> mrevell: hi, you there?
[11:55] <mrevell> Hi esteve
[11:57] <esteve> mrevell: we agreed to move to launchpad, but the trac transition scares the shit out of us :-)
[11:57] <esteve> mrevell: I found this https://edge.launchpad.net/trac-launchpad-migrator, is it in any way "official" or supported by canonical?
[11:59] <mrevell> esteve, Hey, it's great to hear you're moving over :) The migrator is sort of official. It's developed and maintained by Graham, one of the Launchpad bugs team. (He's on vacation this week, otherwise I'd ping him now.)
[11:59] <mrevell> esteve, I'm certain we can help you with a smooth transition, though.
[12:01] <esteve> mrevell: great, thanks!
[12:02] <esteve> mrevell: once I have the xml file, do I just send it to you? The project is proprietary, so I'm afraid we can't post it as a question against malone
[12:04] <mrevell> hey deryck, could esteve do what he describes above ^^^^? He's thinking of using Graham's trac migrator.
[12:05] <deryck> mrevell, I don't see anything described above, except just "do I just send it to you."  Just logged in.
[12:05] <deryck> hi esteve
[12:05] <mrevell> deryck, Yeah, that's pretty much it. Basically, can esteve send us the xml file directly and have us import it?
[12:06] <esteve> deryck: hi!
[12:06] <deryck> mrevell, ah, ok.  Yes, definitely.
[12:07] <deryck> esteve, mrevell -- CC me please, and I'll have someone take a look at it.
[12:07] <esteve> awesome :-)
[12:07] <Sia-> henninge, you see her https://translations.launchpad.net/wordpress/3.0 for example is 3 item under Needs Review by Kurdish Sorani, how can i approve them?
[12:09] <henninge> Sia-: start here, let me look. https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/wordpress/3.0/+pots/wordpress
[12:10] <LucidFox> Is it possible to enable non-team-members to send emails to a Launchpad mailing list?
[12:10] <henninge> Sia-: you can click on the "3" and it will show you the strings.
[12:10] <Sia-> oh yes, thnx you r the best
[12:11] <LucidFox> I tried sending one from a different email account, and apparently Launchpad silently ate it
[12:12] <Sia-> henninge, but i can't approve it :( or edit it
[12:12] <henninge> D
[12:12] <henninge> Sia-: Can you usually do that?
[12:12] <Sia-> yes because i'm a team leader and creator
[12:13] <henninge> I just saw. Hm.
[12:13] <henninge> Sia-: what are sou seeing?
[12:14] <LucidFox> Okay, let me phrase it differently
[12:14] <LucidFox> is it possible to enable emails from non-Launchpad-users?
[12:15] <LucidFox> to mailing lists
[12:16] <henninge> LucidFox: I think not. sinzui?
[12:16] <LucidFox> Blimey!
[12:16] <mrevell> thanks deryck
[12:16] <LucidFox> See, the thing is
[12:17] <Sia-> brb henninge 10 min srry
[12:19] <deryck> mrevell, np
[12:19] <LucidFox> I want to set the mailing list as the administrative contact for a wordpress.com blog, but it requires a confirmation email - which the list eats because donotreply@wordpress.com is not a Launchpad user.
[12:26] <mrevell> LucidFox, That's an interesting one. I've just been trying to think through different ways in which you could solve that but I can't think of anything that would. bac do you have any ideas to help LucidFox? ^^^^^^
[12:26] <LucidFox> Well
[12:26] <jetienne> my ppa package will start to build 'in 50min' for the last 2h :) im not sure i get the highest priority somehow :)
[12:27] <LucidFox> Actually never mind
[12:27] <LucidFox> even if I get WordPress to approve it, it will still eat emails from people sending it through the WordPress link
[12:28] <bigjools> jetienne: the estimates are not that accurate, it's very hard to get it right.  Also, as you guessed, some people can jump the queue.
[12:31] <Sia--> srry henninge i was disconnected.
[12:34] <Sia--> i found it and thnx again for everything
[12:35] <henninge> Sia--: You are welcome!
[12:36]  * henninge goes to lunch
[17:12] <ricotz> hello, is there currently a problem with importing translations from branches?
[17:14] <ricotz> the import seems not to work - https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/docky/+imports
[17:26] <Quintasan> jelmer: hi there, any progress on Bug #579491? Can I somehow help you?
[17:27] <jelmer> Quintasan, hi
[17:28] <jelmer> Quintasan: That bug has been fixed, but the fix hasn't been rolled out yet (it will be with the next release of launchpad)
[17:28] <Quintasan> and when would that be?
[17:29] <jelmer> the dates should be on the launchpad blog
[17:32] <Quintasan> urgh
[17:33] <jelmer> Quintasan: alternatively, you can run bzr-svn locally
[17:35] <Quintasan> jelmer: well, we need to test our recipes on launchpad
[17:35] <Quintasan> locally it goes well
[17:48] <shadeslayer> jelmer: btw who can i talk to about a bug in recipes? the {debupstream} variable doesnt seem to pick up epoch's from changelogs
[18:08] <jelmer> shadeslayer: James Westby (james_w), or at least he should be able to tell you who to talk to instead.
[18:08] <shadeslayer> ok
[18:08] <shadeslayer> james_w: hi there
[18:08] <jelmer> shadeslayer: Although I think that's actually correct behaviour, the epoch is not part of the upstream version.
[18:08] <shadeslayer> jelmer: err.. really?
[18:09] <jelmer> shadeslayer: yes, the epoch is just there as a convenience for when the package maintainer screws up.
[18:09] <shadeslayer> see the problem becomes with upgrades, without the epoch the build is of no use :P
[18:09] <jelmer> shadeslayer: how do you mean?
[18:09] <jelmer> shadeslayer: Can you give an example?
[18:10] <shadeslayer> so basically apt-get says : 1:foo is greater than just foo.. why would i want to install foo when i have 1:foo
[18:10] <shadeslayer> more practical example coming up.. :D
[18:10] <shadeslayer> jelmer: https://edge.launchpad.net/~team-iquik/+archive/tools
[18:10] <jelmer> shadeslayer: right, but you could include that 1: manually.
[18:10] <shadeslayer> see under lm-sensors
[18:10] <jelmer> shadeslayer: it's not really something that you'd want to be included automatically.
[18:10] <shadeslayer> jelmer: yeah i added to the recipe for now :)
[18:11] <shadeslayer> also see ~ppa1 should come after ~lucid1
[18:11] <shadeslayer> but for some insane reason it isnt :(
[18:11] <jelmer> shadeslayer: That's the correct way of doing it imho. I don't think we should be updating the epoch automatically.
[18:11] <james_w> I think that maybe we should
[18:12] <jelmer> hi James
[18:12] <james_w> I don't see a use case for wanting a lower epoch
[18:12] <shadeslayer> i agree.. but when the packager specifies that he needs {debupstream} he means he wants the epoch
 also see ~ppa1 should come after ~lucid1 but for some insane reason it isnt :(
[18:13] <maxb> uh, p is greater than l, you cannot reorder the alphabet :-)
[18:14] <shadeslayer> maxb: err.. when i upload to my ppa, its always : ~distro1~ppa1
[18:14] <jelmer> james_w: it can also mean a higher epoch
[18:14] <shadeslayer> i wonder what happens after 2 years ;)
[18:14] <maxb> oh, right. I thought you were dealing with version comparison
[18:14] <james_w> jelmer: that's true
[18:15] <shadeslayer> maxb: no.. its just that my package versioning is screwed up :(
[18:15] <james_w> I think it's low impact anyway
[18:15] <james_w> epochs are relatively rare, and changing them is even rarer
[18:15] <james_w> shadeslayer: please file a bug on bzr-builder
[18:15] <shadeslayer> james_w: alrighty :)
[18:15] <james_w> we can track the issue and see if more cases come up
[18:16] <shadeslayer> james_w: see imo only sensible people will bump epoch... but then you can never say anything about the other 1 % of people who will bump epoch for no reason at all :P
[18:17] <maxb> If the design purpose of {debupstream} is to allow people to derive a debian version based on what's in the tree, but with a modified revision, would that not only make sense to include the epoch?
[18:17] <jelmer> maxb: Hmm, that's a good point.
[18:17] <shadeslayer> maxb: my point exactly
[18:17] <maxb> And if that's not the design purpose of it, what is :-)
[18:18] <shadeslayer> btw LP is really slooow today :P
[18:18] <jelmer> I guess my main issue with it is that I don't think of the debian upstream version as including the epoch, but then again I don't have better naming suggestions.
[18:18] <jelmer> Also, I seem to be complaining about naming a lot today for some reason.
[18:20] <maxb> I'm in agreement - the upstream version doesn't include the epoch - but this thing we want here in bzr-builder (version-minus-revision) doesn't have a nice name
[18:23] <maxb> shadeslayer: Now that I understand what you meant about the ~ppa1 / ~lucid1 ordering, I think that bzr-builder / LP is doing the right thing, it's just different from the methodology you were using
[18:23] <shadeslayer> maxb: hmm.. well ok
[18:26] <shadeslayer> oh man
[18:26] <shadeslayer> james_w: lp still says  : Please wait while bug data is processed. This page will refresh every 10 seconds until processing is complete.
[18:26] <shadeslayer> for the past 15 mins :P
[18:27] <james_w> shadeslayer: you used ubuntu-bug bzr-builder?
[18:27] <shadeslayer> yes
[18:27] <shadeslayer> i shouldnt have?
[18:27] <james_w> that's fine, just making sure
[18:28] <james_w> if you got that message from some other mechanism then something is very wrong :-)
[18:28] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[18:28] <james_w> I don't know what could be causing that, except for whaetever processes them being stuck?
[18:28] <shadeslayer> possibly
[18:29] <james_w> I'm going to guess it's process-apport-blobs.py that does that
[18:29] <james_w> losa ping: is there anything obviously wrong with process-apport-blobs?
[18:31] <Chex> james_w: let me look
[18:31] <shadeslayer> james_w: ok i just refreshed the page and it works now 0_o
[18:31] <james_w> shadeslayer: ok, great
[18:31] <james_w> Chex: thanks. seems to be working now ^, but maybe there was a backlog.
[18:33] <Chex> james_w: hmm, ok, no worries then
[18:39] <shadeslayer> bug 613942
[19:49] <cody-somerville> I frequently get incomplete reads from launchpad when using API. Is this a known issue and is it launchpad's fault or just unavoidable network glitch?
[19:52] <james_w> cody-somerville: as in httplib2 errors about "incomplete reads"?
[19:53] <cody-somerville> httplib.IncompleteRead, yup
[19:55] <james_w> cody-somerville: I see plenty too. I'm not sure what the cause is, but a perfect connection shouldn't be expected
[19:55] <james_w> I think Launchpad causes more than its fair share of this sort of error.
[20:01] <mgariepy> hello, simple question, is it possible to get the debdiff of an old package of my ppa ?
[20:02] <james_w> mgariepy: not if that package has been deleted for a while, no
[20:03] <mgariepy> i pushed a newer version of the package, i can still fin the url for the binary packages but not the source
[20:45] <daveisadork> hey i just set up daily builds with a recipe and in the uploaded by column it says "no signer"
[20:45] <daveisadork> is that the expected behavior or am i doing it wrong?
[20:48] <daveisadork> woops, nevermind... just found #581920
[21:33] <liori> hello, staging.launchpad.net is down?
[22:11] <thumper> liori: probably
[22:11] <thumper> losa: is staging down?
[22:13] <mbarnett> thumper: yes, staging is not happy at the moment.