[00:00] <micahg> km0r3: what should have been a crash report, but ended up not being one
[00:01] <km0r3> micahg: ok, agreed
[00:01] <micahg> km0r3: needs-upstream-report is Kubuntu specific accrording to the wiki
[00:02] <km0r3> micahg: I'm sorry. I'll fix that, too.
[00:02] <micahg> km0r3: don't worry, triaging is a learning process that we're all involved in
[00:04] <km0r3> micahg: done
[00:04] <micahg> km0r3: nice :)
[00:04] <km0r3> micahg: yes, I'm pretty  unexperiences as a triager. Thanks a lot for your time. :)
[00:04] <micahg> km0r3: do you have a mentor yet?
[00:05] <km0r3> s/unexperiences/unexperienced
[00:05] <km0r3> micahg: yes
[00:05] <micahg> km0r3: ok, good
[00:35] <maxwellian> micahg: What was ubot2 getting on about? :)
[00:35] <micahg> maxwellian: its programmers goofing :)
[00:36] <maxwellian> micahg: Someone made it do that?
[00:36] <trinikrono> ping ddecator
[00:36] <micahg> maxwellian: well, it's code to fetch sf bugs must be biggy
[00:36] <micahg> *buggy
[00:37] <maxwellian> micahg: Ah, I see.  So it does that if you mention a non-existent bug in one of the trackers?
[00:37] <micahg> maxwellian: the bug exists, it just didn't see t
[00:38] <maxwellian> micahg: Hmm...how do you ask it about bugs from non-launchpad trackers?
[00:39] <micahg> maxwellian: well, in this case a link was posted, but usually, you can just type the nickname of the tracker and the number like: sf 3039712
[00:40] <maxwellian> micahg: Ah, cool.  Thanks for the info. :)  Is there a bug on ubot2 for this already? :)
[00:40] <micahg> ubot2: sf 3039712
[00:40] <ubot2> Factoid 'sf 3039712' not found
[00:40] <micahg> sourceforge 3039712
[00:41]  * maxwellian has been poking ubot2 in private messages trying to replicate that behavior. :)
[00:44] <trinikrono> i dont think it does sourceforge ones
[00:45] <trinikrono> it doesnt say anything about it on the wikipage anyways
[00:46] <maxwellian> trinikrono: Ah, thanks.  That would be a useful feature, though...?
[00:46] <trinikrono> maxwellian: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Factoids
[00:46] <trinikrono> it has which ones it does at the bottom
[00:47] <maxwellian> trinikrono: Thanks again.  Good info there.
[00:48]  * maxwellian is intrigued by the mention of an #ubuntu-bots channel.
[00:50] <trinikrono> i just normally pm ubot
[00:50] <maxwellian> trinikrono: I've been doing that just now, but I think it's cool that we have a bot channel. :)
[00:50] <maxwellian> trinikrono: The topic says we can ask "bestbot" what the best things are, but bestbot's not in the channel. >:(
[00:51] <trinikrono> maxwellian: i just joined that channel
[00:51] <trinikrono> its only ubottu in there
[02:01] <dlbike76> Hello
[02:02] <maxwellian> Hi dlbike76.
[06:42] <dholbach> Packaging Training Session: Fixing Small Ubuntu Bugs in 18 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[14:21] <pedro_> hello bugsquad!
[14:25] <vish> hmm, we have a visitor ..
[14:26] <Watson516> Hello
[14:27] <vish> hmm, the guest is back..
[14:28] <pedro_> hey vish
[14:28] <vish> hello pedro_ welcome to bugsquad channel , we help triage bugs here ;)
[14:29] <pedro_> yay!
[14:32] <hggdh> pedro_: !! you are back!!
[14:32]  * hggdh now feels extremely more confortable
[14:32]  * pedro_ hugs hggdh
[14:33] <tawmas> Hi! Could someone please set https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/578909 back to Triaged?
[14:33]  * hggdh hugs pedro_
[14:33] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 578909 in linux (Ubuntu) "acer_wmi blocks wlan rfkill status to disabled on Acer Aspire 4820TG (affects: 1) (heat: 47)" [High,Incomplete]
[14:34] <hggdh> tawmas: actually, it should go back to New
[14:34] <tawmas> hggdh: it was Triaged
[14:39] <tawmas> could you please explain why it has to go back to new?
[14:41] <vish> tawmas: tried asking in -kernel ? they have a different system of doing things
[14:42] <hggdh> tawmas: after reading the whole bug, plus the log, I agree. Setting to Triage
[14:42] <hggdh> d
[14:43] <tawmas> vish: not yet... the big went through the kernel triage already... then someone asked to check if a patch (blacklisting a totally different Acer model) fixed my problem, which it didn't
[14:44] <tawmas> I tested and replied, but the status is still set to Incomplete
[14:44] <tawmas> *bug
[14:44] <vish> tawmas: yeah , they get a huge load of bugs , not really easy for them to keep track either.
[14:44] <hggdh> tawmas: it really does not matter that much, given that Manoj is assigned to the bug
[14:46] <tawmas> hggdh: I see... but, as a bug reporter, the experience of having to come on IRC three weeks later to know that it doesn't matter which status my bug is in is a bit frustrating
[14:49] <JoshuaL> I usually feel ignored by the developers :P
[14:50] <tawmas> hggdh: I mean, I do know that there's a lot of hard work going on, and not enough manpower to do it, but the feeling is that you've been overlooked
[14:51] <hggdh> tawmas: it is not that the Status does not matter, but that Manoj is assigned (or, rather, assigned himself) to the bug. So Manoj has already received your response
[14:52] <hggdh> tawmas: and -- if the bug is unassigned, then moving it to New (from Incomplete) will signal that a response to a question was provided
[14:53] <hggdh> JoshuaL: well, I usually feel ignored by everybody ;-)
[14:53] <JoshuaL> hggdh, except now ;)
[14:53] <hggdh> well, yes indeed :-)
[14:55] <JoshuaL> I have reported a bug months ago, and only recently it got Triaged. I wonder how long I can wait before it will be solved.
[14:55] <tawmas> hggdh: yes, I know... it's just that it's been like that for three weeks at least... hence, one is left wondering what's going on
[14:56] <hggdh> tawmas: mostly lack of (hu)manpower. This is why we get so happy when more people come in to help
[14:59] <tawmas> hggdh: OK, I'll step down and wait patiently... and anyway this laptop has bugs more severe than that one ;-)
[14:59] <hggdh> :-)
[14:59] <JoshuaL> I always wonder how they can break things that worked previously.
[15:00] <JoshuaL> Like the last time I tried to put my laptop into sleep mode, it did not work. It did in 10.04
[15:01] <hggdh> JoshuaL: code changes do that. And none of us have all the possible combination of hardware to fully test everything
[15:01] <hggdh> for example, the official part list of my laptop (still available from Dell) does not match the components I got
[15:01] <tawmas> JoshuaL: software development is a little bit like building a card castle, you add a card on the right and suddenly the left wing collapses :-)
[15:02] <hggdh> Dell changed the sound chip for one "100% compatible"
[15:02] <JoshuaL> tawmas, hggdh, i am a software developer myself, i never had a change that broke something that worked previously :)
[15:02] <hggdh> unfortunately it is not
[15:02] <tawmas> JohuaL: you're better than I am, then ;-)
[15:03] <hggdh> JoshuaL: It depends on how much your software does. Very dedicated software, for example, may be better tested. By a kernel...
[15:03] <hggdh> s/By/But/
[15:04] <JoshuaL> ghmm true
[15:04] <tawmas> JoshuaL: yes, it depends very much on how complex is your software and how large and varied your deployed base is...
[15:05] <JoshuaL> if i have the time i will create a bug report for it, im sure they want me to test the latest upstream kernel
[15:05] <hggdh> JoshuaL: heh. Always. We need to know if what you experience is due to a local Ubuntu delta, or pure vanilla kernel
[15:08] <JoshuaL> Furthermore I like the bug hunting. But in most cases my bugs are already reported lol
[15:10] <tawmas> Going away. Bye and thanks!
[17:28] <nigelb> ubuntu tweak disucssion is getting pretty interesting.
[17:30] <yofel> nigelb: where? I saw it being discussed in -motu once
[17:30] <nigelb> yofel: mailing list
[17:30] <holstein> PPA purge FTW
[17:31] <holstein> thats why i installed tweak
[17:31] <holstein> the rest of it is pretty cool too
[17:31] <holstein> easy way to remove unwanted kernels
[17:31]  * holstein will have to find that ongoing discussion
[17:31] <yofel> ppa-purge is in maverick and lucid-backports
[17:31] <holstein> id like to know what the arguments are, pro and con
[17:32] <holstein> yeah, i didnt know about it though
[17:32] <holstein> a nice 'un-bork' button :)
[17:33] <yofel> well, generally: why write an app to change settings for apps and not make those things changegable in the apps themselves
[17:33] <JoshuaL> i always liked ubuntu tweak to remove unwanted kernels :)
[17:33] <yofel> gnome simplicity in the way I guess
[17:33] <JoshuaL> and clean up unused configs
[17:33] <maco> JoshuaL: thats what computer janitor is for
[17:34] <JoshuaL> maco, i c
[17:35] <JoshuaL> never used it untill now :D
[17:35] <nigelb> ubuntu tweak lets the user make pretty invasive changes
[17:40] <yofel> well, ubuntu-tweak certainly is much better than ultamatix at least... used it in the past too a few times
[17:40] <micahg> ugh, now the discusssion is in here?
[17:41] <holstein> hehe
[17:44] <nigelb> micahg: lol
[17:46] <vish> hmm , which ml is this? seems to not be ddl , dl or desktop
[17:46] <yofel> vish: motu ml
[17:46] <vish> ah.
[17:46] <yofel> vish: start here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2010-August/006804.html
[17:47] <vish> yofel: thanks. :)
[18:24] <vish> well , that was an interesting thread :D
[18:43] <atrus> bug 398300 confuses me. it's marked 'fix released' in gdm, but not for karmic or lucid. is this a fix that's ever made it to the public?
[18:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 398300 in gdm (Ubuntu Karmic) (and 3 other projects) "The new gdm doesn't give an option to run /etc/X11/Xsession (affects: 34) (dups: 5) (heat: 211)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/398300
[18:44] <atrus> in particular, users under lucid still don't seem to have an option to run a .xinitrc
[18:45] <Pici> Looks like it dropped into lucid-proposed.
[18:45] <atrus> Pici: i don't see it in lucid-proposed
[18:46] <atrus> the fix discussed is in lucid-updates, but it doesn't address the problem (it doesn't include a /usr/share/xsessions/ file for the user session)
[18:49] <hggdh> OK. eeeBotu will (again) pop off 5 minutes due to a reboot on new kernel.
[18:52] <JoshuaL> :)
[18:52] <hggdh>  and... eeeBotu now resumes normal programming. Thank you for your patience.
[19:32] <nigelb> pedro_: poke?
[19:32] <pedro_> nigelb, hello
[19:33] <nigelb> pedro_: did we break the surprise to hggdh ?
[19:33] <pedro_> nigelb, you mean... our secret?
[19:34] <nigelb> heh, yeah
[19:34] <pedro_> oh it's a secret so shhh
[19:34] <pedro_> hggdh, ^
[19:34] <nigelb> heh
[19:35] <pedro_> hggdh, another clue... "can be used in the water"
[19:35] <nigelb> pedro_: what are your thoughts on patch day next thursdat?
[19:35] <nigelb> *day rather
[19:35] <pedro_> nigelb, sounds fine to me, i was reading the email a few minutes ago and realized it was Aug 05 already
[19:35] <nigelb> heh
[19:35] <nigelb> yeah
[19:35] <pedro_> so yeah next Thursday sounds fine, let's organize something for that day
[19:36] <nigelb> cool, i'll do some stuff over the weekend :)
[19:37] <pedro_> awesome, i'll update the planning page in a bit
[19:37] <hggdh> pedro_: I can think of several things that can be used in the water. Most of them nasty :-)
[19:38] <pedro_> !
[19:38] <hggdh> !!
[19:38] <pedro_> I'm not reading that comment again
[19:38] <hggdh> LOL
[19:38] <pedro_> :-P
[19:38] <hggdh> now I cannot think of *anything* that can be used in the water :-(
[19:45] <hggdh> pedro_: sharks? It is shark week now...
[19:46] <pedro_> mm close close
[19:46] <hggdh> barracuda?
[20:01] <Hankyone> If i was to file a bug for a non working webcam, what log/file should I submit it with?
[20:02] <micahg> Hankyone: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection
[20:03] <Hankyone> micahg: Thanks!
[20:03] <micahg> Hankyone: np
[20:44] <JoshuaL> I have this bug where if i plug in my headphones it does not switch to the connector automaticly, i have to do it manually. same with unplugging.
[20:44] <JoshuaL> What package should be used to report this bug?
[20:46] <Pici> JoshuaL: I think you can just issue: ubuntu-bug audio    and it will take care of the rest.
[20:46] <JoshuaL> Pici, ok ty
[21:07] <simar> sense: Hi
[21:07] <sense> hello simar
[21:07] <simar> sense: :))
[21:07] <simar> sense:  I am writing email for applying to ubuntu-bugsquad team.
[21:07] <sense> simar: Ubuntu Bug Control, I hope. ;)
[21:07] <simar> sense: I have read the prerequisites of joining ..
[21:08] <sense> simar: Please do note that I will be leaving tomorrow morning for a two week holiday. I won't be able to express my support then.
[21:08] <simar> sense: ya Ubuntu Bug control
[21:08] <simar> sense: so for two weeks you are not going to be on net?
[21:08] <sense> nope
[21:08] <simar> sense:  :(
[21:09] <sense> simar: When will you be sending your application?
[21:09] <simar> sense: I think right now in max 30 mins.
[21:10] <simar> sense: If you are out of time I can speed up
[21:11] <sense> simar: I'm not out of time. :) Don't rush it! If you're really finished in 30 minutes that would be awesome and I'll be able to respond to it.
[21:12] <simar> sense: fine enough :)
[21:12] <simar> sense: I hope I will do in 30 mins
[21:13] <sense> Don't rush!
[21:24] <hggdh> sense: you are mentoring simar?
[21:25] <sense> hggdh: yes
[21:25] <hggdh> good. Your opinion will be enough, then ;-)
[21:25] <sense> ah!
[21:25] <hggdh> :-)
[21:25] <hggdh> the beauty of mentorship
[21:26] <sense> He's doing great. Showing lots of initiative, even started to document things. Now he wants to work more on bug fixes, but first I recommended him to go for Ubuntu Bug Control membership since he's ready for it and since it will help him with his further work.
[21:48] <stlsaint> vish: ping
[22:06] <simar> sense: Should I email to bug control now.
[22:06] <simar> sense: I'm finished
[22:07] <sense> simar: If you're ready, please do. :)
[22:07] <simar> sense: ya, :)
[22:08] <sense> good!
[22:12] <simar> sense: I hope you can see my mail in ubuntu bug control mail list
[22:12] <sense> I should receive it in a moment!
[22:13] <simar> sense: np
[22:17] <yofel> sense: you can see moderated mails?
[22:17] <sense> yofel: Ah, moderation!
[22:17] <sense> argh
[22:17] <sense> I cannot
[22:17] <sense> pedro_: Are you there?
[22:18] <yofel> hggdh: ^
[22:18] <sense> ah, he too
[22:18] <sense> Anyone! ;)
[22:18] <pedro_> sense, looking at it now
[22:18] <sense> thanks
[22:18] <pedro_> done
[22:18] <sense> thanks
[22:19] <pedro_> you're welcome
[22:21] <sense> simar: The mailing list archive of this month can be found at <https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bugcontrol/>.  You can follow the applications there while you're still pending.
[22:22] <simar>  sense thanks
[22:22] <sense> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bugcontrol/threads.html is clearer
[22:23] <simar> sense: have you seen the email? how do you like it.
[22:23] <sense> I'm just looking at it!
[22:23] <sense> simar: You were aware that the Apport retracer should remove CoreDump.gz files itself when it has retraced everything?
[22:24] <BUGabundo> sense:  OT : http://www.last.fm/robots.txt LOLOLOL Disallow: /harming/humans
[22:25] <simar> sense: ya but i talked about when it do not remove the coredump.gz file..
[22:25] <dlbike76> Hello
[22:25] <dlbike76> Has anyone looked at Bug 613618?
[22:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 613618 in gnome-system-tools (Ubuntu) "Unable to change UID from users-admin gui (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/613618
[22:26] <dlbike76> I can confirm that it is occuring on my lucid installation as well.
[22:26] <sense> simar: OK, good.
[22:28] <simar> sense: :)
[22:28] <hggdh> yofel: what was it?
[22:28] <hggdh> oh
[22:29] <hggdh> OK
[22:45] <simar> sense: k sense its 3:15 here in india. I'm gono sleep now. Wish you a very happy and cool vacation. c ya later :>
[22:46] <sense> simar: OK! Sleep well and thank you!
[22:57] <yofel> hm, he's gone