[00:00] km0r3: what should have been a crash report, but ended up not being one [00:01] micahg: ok, agreed [00:01] km0r3: needs-upstream-report is Kubuntu specific accrording to the wiki [00:02] micahg: I'm sorry. I'll fix that, too. [00:02] km0r3: don't worry, triaging is a learning process that we're all involved in [00:04] micahg: done [00:04] km0r3: nice :) [00:04] micahg: yes, I'm pretty unexperiences as a triager. Thanks a lot for your time. :) [00:04] km0r3: do you have a mentor yet? [00:05] s/unexperiences/unexperienced [00:05] micahg: yes [00:05] km0r3: ok, good [00:35] micahg: What was ubot2 getting on about? :) [00:35] maxwellian: its programmers goofing :) [00:36] micahg: Someone made it do that? [00:36] ping ddecator [00:36] maxwellian: well, it's code to fetch sf bugs must be biggy [00:36] *buggy [00:37] micahg: Ah, I see. So it does that if you mention a non-existent bug in one of the trackers? [00:37] maxwellian: the bug exists, it just didn't see t [00:38] micahg: Hmm...how do you ask it about bugs from non-launchpad trackers? [00:39] maxwellian: well, in this case a link was posted, but usually, you can just type the nickname of the tracker and the number like: sf 3039712 [00:40] micahg: Ah, cool. Thanks for the info. :) Is there a bug on ubot2 for this already? :) [00:40] ubot2: sf 3039712 [00:40] Factoid 'sf 3039712' not found [00:40] sourceforge 3039712 [00:41] * maxwellian has been poking ubot2 in private messages trying to replicate that behavior. :) [00:44] i dont think it does sourceforge ones [00:45] it doesnt say anything about it on the wikipage anyways [00:46] trinikrono: Ah, thanks. That would be a useful feature, though...? [00:46] maxwellian: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Factoids [00:46] it has which ones it does at the bottom [00:47] trinikrono: Thanks again. Good info there. [00:48] * maxwellian is intrigued by the mention of an #ubuntu-bots channel. [00:50] i just normally pm ubot [00:50] trinikrono: I've been doing that just now, but I think it's cool that we have a bot channel. :) [00:50] trinikrono: The topic says we can ask "bestbot" what the best things are, but bestbot's not in the channel. >:( [00:51] maxwellian: i just joined that channel [00:51] its only ubottu in there [02:01] Hello [02:02] Hi dlbike76. === kermiac is now known as Wile === Wile is now known as Wile-E-Coyote === Wile-E-Coyote is now known as kermiac [06:42] Packaging Training Session: Fixing Small Ubuntu Bugs in 18 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom === mdeslaur-afk is now known as mdeslaur === CieD is now known as Ciemon === yofel_ is now known as yofel [14:21] hello bugsquad! [14:25] hmm, we have a visitor .. [14:26] Hello [14:27] hmm, the guest is back.. [14:28] hey vish [14:28] hello pedro_ welcome to bugsquad channel , we help triage bugs here ;) [14:29] yay! [14:32] pedro_: !! you are back!! [14:32] * hggdh now feels extremely more confortable [14:32] * pedro_ hugs hggdh [14:33] Hi! Could someone please set https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/578909 back to Triaged? [14:33] * hggdh hugs pedro_ [14:33] Ubuntu bug 578909 in linux (Ubuntu) "acer_wmi blocks wlan rfkill status to disabled on Acer Aspire 4820TG (affects: 1) (heat: 47)" [High,Incomplete] [14:34] tawmas: actually, it should go back to New [14:34] hggdh: it was Triaged [14:39] could you please explain why it has to go back to new? [14:41] tawmas: tried asking in -kernel ? they have a different system of doing things [14:42] tawmas: after reading the whole bug, plus the log, I agree. Setting to Triage [14:42] d [14:43] vish: not yet... the big went through the kernel triage already... then someone asked to check if a patch (blacklisting a totally different Acer model) fixed my problem, which it didn't [14:44] I tested and replied, but the status is still set to Incomplete [14:44] *bug [14:44] tawmas: yeah , they get a huge load of bugs , not really easy for them to keep track either. [14:44] tawmas: it really does not matter that much, given that Manoj is assigned to the bug [14:46] hggdh: I see... but, as a bug reporter, the experience of having to come on IRC three weeks later to know that it doesn't matter which status my bug is in is a bit frustrating [14:49] I usually feel ignored by the developers :P [14:50] hggdh: I mean, I do know that there's a lot of hard work going on, and not enough manpower to do it, but the feeling is that you've been overlooked [14:51] tawmas: it is not that the Status does not matter, but that Manoj is assigned (or, rather, assigned himself) to the bug. So Manoj has already received your response [14:52] tawmas: and -- if the bug is unassigned, then moving it to New (from Incomplete) will signal that a response to a question was provided [14:53] JoshuaL: well, I usually feel ignored by everybody ;-) [14:53] hggdh, except now ;) [14:53] well, yes indeed :-) [14:55] I have reported a bug months ago, and only recently it got Triaged. I wonder how long I can wait before it will be solved. [14:55] hggdh: yes, I know... it's just that it's been like that for three weeks at least... hence, one is left wondering what's going on [14:56] tawmas: mostly lack of (hu)manpower. This is why we get so happy when more people come in to help [14:59] hggdh: OK, I'll step down and wait patiently... and anyway this laptop has bugs more severe than that one ;-) [14:59] :-) [14:59] I always wonder how they can break things that worked previously. [15:00] Like the last time I tried to put my laptop into sleep mode, it did not work. It did in 10.04 [15:01] JoshuaL: code changes do that. And none of us have all the possible combination of hardware to fully test everything [15:01] for example, the official part list of my laptop (still available from Dell) does not match the components I got [15:01] JoshuaL: software development is a little bit like building a card castle, you add a card on the right and suddenly the left wing collapses :-) [15:02] Dell changed the sound chip for one "100% compatible" [15:02] tawmas, hggdh, i am a software developer myself, i never had a change that broke something that worked previously :) [15:02] unfortunately it is not [15:02] JohuaL: you're better than I am, then ;-) [15:03] JoshuaL: It depends on how much your software does. Very dedicated software, for example, may be better tested. By a kernel... [15:03] s/By/But/ [15:04] ghmm true [15:04] JoshuaL: yes, it depends very much on how complex is your software and how large and varied your deployed base is... [15:05] if i have the time i will create a bug report for it, im sure they want me to test the latest upstream kernel [15:05] JoshuaL: heh. Always. We need to know if what you experience is due to a local Ubuntu delta, or pure vanilla kernel [15:08] Furthermore I like the bug hunting. But in most cases my bugs are already reported lol [15:10] Going away. Bye and thanks! === nigelbabu is now known as nigelb [17:28] ubuntu tweak disucssion is getting pretty interesting. [17:30] nigelb: where? I saw it being discussed in -motu once [17:30] yofel: mailing list [17:30] PPA purge FTW [17:31] thats why i installed tweak [17:31] the rest of it is pretty cool too [17:31] easy way to remove unwanted kernels [17:31] * holstein will have to find that ongoing discussion [17:31] ppa-purge is in maverick and lucid-backports [17:31] id like to know what the arguments are, pro and con [17:32] yeah, i didnt know about it though [17:32] a nice 'un-bork' button :) [17:33] well, generally: why write an app to change settings for apps and not make those things changegable in the apps themselves [17:33] i always liked ubuntu tweak to remove unwanted kernels :) [17:33] gnome simplicity in the way I guess [17:33] and clean up unused configs [17:33] JoshuaL: thats what computer janitor is for [17:34] maco, i c [17:35] never used it untill now :D [17:35] ubuntu tweak lets the user make pretty invasive changes [17:40] well, ubuntu-tweak certainly is much better than ultamatix at least... used it in the past too a few times [17:40] ugh, now the discusssion is in here? [17:41] hehe [17:44] micahg: lol [17:46] hmm , which ml is this? seems to not be ddl , dl or desktop [17:46] vish: motu ml [17:46] ah. [17:46] vish: start here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2010-August/006804.html [17:47] yofel: thanks. :) [18:24] well , that was an interesting thread :D [18:43] bug 398300 confuses me. it's marked 'fix released' in gdm, but not for karmic or lucid. is this a fix that's ever made it to the public? [18:43] Launchpad bug 398300 in gdm (Ubuntu Karmic) (and 3 other projects) "The new gdm doesn't give an option to run /etc/X11/Xsession (affects: 34) (dups: 5) (heat: 211)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/398300 [18:44] in particular, users under lucid still don't seem to have an option to run a .xinitrc [18:45] Looks like it dropped into lucid-proposed. [18:45] Pici: i don't see it in lucid-proposed [18:46] the fix discussed is in lucid-updates, but it doesn't address the problem (it doesn't include a /usr/share/xsessions/ file for the user session) [18:49] OK. eeeBotu will (again) pop off 5 minutes due to a reboot on new kernel. [18:52] :) [18:52] and... eeeBotu now resumes normal programming. Thank you for your patience. [19:32] pedro_: poke? [19:32] nigelb, hello [19:33] pedro_: did we break the surprise to hggdh ? [19:33] nigelb, you mean... our secret? [19:34] heh, yeah [19:34] oh it's a secret so shhh [19:34] hggdh, ^ [19:34] heh [19:35] hggdh, another clue... "can be used in the water" [19:35] pedro_: what are your thoughts on patch day next thursdat? [19:35] *day rather [19:35] nigelb, sounds fine to me, i was reading the email a few minutes ago and realized it was Aug 05 already [19:35] heh [19:35] yeah [19:35] so yeah next Thursday sounds fine, let's organize something for that day [19:36] cool, i'll do some stuff over the weekend :) [19:37] awesome, i'll update the planning page in a bit [19:37] pedro_: I can think of several things that can be used in the water. Most of them nasty :-) [19:38] ! [19:38] !! [19:38] I'm not reading that comment again [19:38] LOL [19:38] :-P [19:38] now I cannot think of *anything* that can be used in the water :-( [19:45] pedro_: sharks? It is shark week now... [19:46] mm close close [19:46] barracuda? [20:01] If i was to file a bug for a non working webcam, what log/file should I submit it with? [20:02] Hankyone: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection [20:03] micahg: Thanks! [20:03] Hankyone: np [20:44] I have this bug where if i plug in my headphones it does not switch to the connector automaticly, i have to do it manually. same with unplugging. [20:44] What package should be used to report this bug? [20:46] JoshuaL: I think you can just issue: ubuntu-bug audio and it will take care of the rest. [20:46] Pici, ok ty [21:07] sense: Hi [21:07] hello simar [21:07] sense: :)) [21:07] sense: I am writing email for applying to ubuntu-bugsquad team. [21:07] simar: Ubuntu Bug Control, I hope. ;) [21:07] sense: I have read the prerequisites of joining .. [21:08] simar: Please do note that I will be leaving tomorrow morning for a two week holiday. I won't be able to express my support then. [21:08] sense: ya Ubuntu Bug control [21:08] sense: so for two weeks you are not going to be on net? [21:08] nope [21:08] sense: :( [21:09] simar: When will you be sending your application? [21:09] sense: I think right now in max 30 mins. [21:10] sense: If you are out of time I can speed up [21:11] simar: I'm not out of time. :) Don't rush it! If you're really finished in 30 minutes that would be awesome and I'll be able to respond to it. [21:12] sense: fine enough :) [21:12] sense: I hope I will do in 30 mins [21:13] Don't rush! [21:24] sense: you are mentoring simar? [21:25] hggdh: yes [21:25] good. Your opinion will be enough, then ;-) [21:25] ah! [21:25] :-) [21:25] the beauty of mentorship [21:26] He's doing great. Showing lots of initiative, even started to document things. Now he wants to work more on bug fixes, but first I recommended him to go for Ubuntu Bug Control membership since he's ready for it and since it will help him with his further work. [21:48] vish: ping [22:06] sense: Should I email to bug control now. [22:06] sense: I'm finished [22:07] simar: If you're ready, please do. :) [22:07] sense: ya, :) [22:08] good! [22:12] sense: I hope you can see my mail in ubuntu bug control mail list [22:12] I should receive it in a moment! [22:13] sense: np [22:17] sense: you can see moderated mails? [22:17] yofel: Ah, moderation! [22:17] argh [22:17] I cannot [22:17] pedro_: Are you there? [22:18] hggdh: ^ [22:18] ah, he too [22:18] Anyone! ;) [22:18] sense, looking at it now [22:18] thanks [22:18] done [22:18] thanks [22:19] you're welcome [22:21] simar: The mailing list archive of this month can be found at . You can follow the applications there while you're still pending. [22:22] sense thanks [22:22] https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bugcontrol/threads.html is clearer [22:23] sense: have you seen the email? how do you like it. [22:23] I'm just looking at it! [22:23] simar: You were aware that the Apport retracer should remove CoreDump.gz files itself when it has retraced everything? [22:24] sense: OT : http://www.last.fm/robots.txt LOLOLOL Disallow: /harming/humans [22:25] sense: ya but i talked about when it do not remove the coredump.gz file.. [22:25] Hello [22:25] Has anyone looked at Bug 613618? [22:25] Launchpad bug 613618 in gnome-system-tools (Ubuntu) "Unable to change UID from users-admin gui (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/613618 [22:26] I can confirm that it is occuring on my lucid installation as well. [22:26] simar: OK, good. [22:28] sense: :) [22:28] yofel: what was it? [22:28] oh [22:29] OK [22:45] sense: k sense its 3:15 here in india. I'm gono sleep now. Wish you a very happy and cool vacation. c ya later :> [22:46] simar: OK! Sleep well and thank you! [22:57] hm, he's gone